YShild Carbon/Graphite Paint

If anyone has used this paint can they give feedback on its
effectiveness? I'm hearing good sounds about it, but need to know just
HOW good!

In a message dated 6/5/2007 12:44:23 AM GMT Daylight Time,
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If anyone has used this paint can they give feedback on its
effectiveness? I'm hearing good sounds about it, but need to know just
HOW good!





I will see if I can get you details of lady that appeared in national papers
some time ago in UK, on this occassion it was not Sarah Dacre.

Paul UK






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It is about the same as the paint from Biologa.

But do not fotget, that this paint is electrical conductive.
Therefore it needs to be grounded.
There is a special grounding tape and a grounding platen, on which the
grounding cable can be attached.

Aside the fact, that this paint must be grounded for safety reasons (if you
accidenatlly hit a nail in the wall and touch a live mains, the whole wall
is electrified), it is also found, that the shiedling is less without proper
grounding.
On the other hand, the paint works very well and gives a shieling of ca 40
dB, which is quite good.
The effect/price ratio is good.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 01:42
Subject: [eSens] YShild Carbon/Graphite Paint


> If anyone has used this paint can they give feedback on its
> effectiveness? I'm hearing good sounds about it, but need to know just
> HOW good!
>

i'd be really grateful for that paul, cheers.
Oh and I meant YSHIELD. (i missed out the 'e')
I heard about those DECT phones on this forum, was it Charles?, over  
a year ago, i'm sure they're called eco dects or something like
that. Sorry, still not much use!
j

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 6/5/2007 12:44:23 AM GMT Daylight Time,  
> asurisuk@... writes:
>
>  
> If anyone has used this paint can they give feedback on its  
> effectiveness? I'm hearing good sounds about it, but need to know
just  
> HOW good!
>
>
>  
>
>
> I will see if I can get you details of lady that appeared in
national papers

Hi charles,
i don't understand the measurements they use and what they mean in
real terms! If it screens 40 dB does that mean that it will stop the
radiation from a DECT phone from a neighbouring flat with flimsy
walls, say at very close range 0.25 metres?!
jane


--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> It is about the same as the paint from Biologa.
>
> But do not fotget, that this paint is electrical conductive.
> Therefore it needs to be grounded.
> There is a special grounding tape and a grounding platen, on which
the
> grounding cable can be attached.
>
> Aside the fact, that this paint must be grounded for safety reasons
(if you
> accidenatlly hit a nail in the wall and touch a live mains, the
whole wall
> is electrified), it is also found, that the shiedling is less
without proper
> grounding.
> On the other hand, the paint works very well and gives a shieling
of ca 40 know just
> > HOW good!
> >
>

last msg of the night, promise!  

I meant to say, i get your point about the whole conductive thing. I
was disappointed when i read that this paint is another one that
needs to be grounded. (i had thought it was carbon only). I really
dont like being surrounded by metal as i'm never convinced that i've
earthed it properly, and i worry about meeting an ironic end where
the very thing i've tried to protect myself from ends up killing me
when my protective box turns into an electrified death chamber.

don't have nightmares!
j

--- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <asurisuk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi charles,
> i don't understand the measurements they use and what they mean in
> real terms! If it screens 40 dB does that mean that it will stop
the which
> the
> > grounding cable can be attached.
> >
> > Aside the fact, that this paint must be grounded for safety
reasons

Hello,

in stead of dB, very often a shielding factor in % percentage is given, but
that is very confusing.
99 %
99.9 %
99.999 %
etc.

Roughly, one may count:

-10 dB means, measuring value devided by 10
-15 dB means, measuring value devided by 30
-20 dB means, measuring value devided by 100
-25 dB means, measuring value devided by 300
-30 dB means, measuring value devided by 1000

40 dB stops a DECT signal from a neighbouring flat.
But it must be grounded.

Normally, I measure ca. 200 uW/m2 from a DECT phone through a stone wall.

Don't get fooled by thinking that the distance is important.
A safe distance is 300 metres away!

So, 0.25 metres, or 1 metre, or 5 metres, is still a dangerous distance.

I measure DECT signals 3 houses away.
Like those wireless internet modems/routers.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus


----- Original Message -----
From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 01:17
Subject: [eSens] Re: YShild Carbon/Graphite Paint

In a message dated 6/6/2007 8:29:35 AM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Normally, I measure ca. 200 uW/m2 from a DECT phone through a stone wall.

Don't get fooled by thinking that the distance is important.
A safe distance is 300 metres away!

So, 0.25 metres, or 1 metre, or 5 metres, is still a dangerous distance.

I measure DECT signals 3 houses away.
Like those wireless internet modems/routers.



Charles right now I could cry - I know when I am getting very bad with ES
when my glands under my arms start to throb, my tinitus goes of the scale and my
head and ears sting all over and I could quite easily forget my name ! My
neighbouir has since seeing the Panorama programme taken his twin ariel router
from upstairs and placed it downstairs next to his dect phone in a single
glass sunlounge which is no more than 7 mtrs from where I sit at my laptop. He
cant be all bad as he has accepted that I buy him an analougue cordless phone
which I now await. As for the Wifi router there seems no viable change for
this. How much can you influence someone before they Say this is my house I
can do what I like ! He may be scared of legal action from me (evan though
that is remote) due to personal injury as I told him a fib on this that it was
happening in the USA, THAT MIGHT BE MY ONLY HOPE !

aLSO I have been sitting at my laptop and now feeling very ill, I tested the
equipment with the Trifeild meter, the EMF was quite high, but the Efeild
was off the scale on everything I went near where I sit 100mg plus - I traced
this to a 3 plug adaptor which takes my printer,laptop and another. When I
unplugged this, especially the printer the wall area table, mouse, laptop etc
all went back to normal average readings. I have obviously gone into the red
just lately becuse of the aformentioned anomolies.

Help does anyone have a cave I can go to for a week or so !

Paul uk






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Sorry about that Paul, I know its not good.
Some suggestions.

Try paint.

Try coating wall with microwave absorber at WLAN frequency. It is
expensive and you may need several layers. If you place it in a
3 x 3 sq m patch of wall next to his equipment. I am interested if
others think this worthwhile.

Your computer and its 100 mg (I assume you mean milligauss magnetic).
This sounds suspicious and could be a problem. It needs to be determined,
is your computer a problem- take it and plug it into other power points
and see what mg reading you get-
or is your wiring a problem. I suggest try some GS filters, to help with
wiring. I know some people have some controversy with those, we should
discuss that subject at some stage.

Perhaps your mains wiring is illegally crossed to your telephone wiring,
creating an earth loop between your computer and modem. Somebody else
might suggest how to check that.

If the computer stays at 100 mg, throw it out or remote it. Buy
a new one cheap- it probably has an noisy power supply or monitor.
As I discussed
in msg #8593, you could use a fiber optic DVI monitor and extension
cables on keyboard mouse with many ferrites.

There are things we should try to do to these WLANs remotely but I can't
discuss them hear, you should use your imagination.

Those are short term things. I myself could not walk for a few weeks
last year, so that I had to stop using the computer. My computer is
a laptop that has less effect on me than 10 other computers.
Coincidentally on the exact day that that commenced, an immediate
neighbour had moved his large computer with CRT from his back
room right next to my wall. I had to get pretty
assertive with him for him to move it. If I ever get solid reason to
believe it was that machine there will be consequences. But there were
other stressors at the time.

This situation has become ridiculous. If the EMF/R from these devices
is causing direct health complaints in us, we need to prove it and do
something about it. It is ludicrous to suggest that you should have
to spend $1,000s on shielding because of that WLAN manufacturer.

If we can get hard core cases such as yourself and show that your
reaction is similar to that of other people to chemicals, then surely
we can change laws. Surely this constitutes trespass. Surely this is
a public nuisance. Surely this is assault. And yet when something
happens, and the telecommunications companies have spent $100 million
on disinformation, and the scientists whose help you need have been
put out of jobs, you and I have nowhere to turn.

As a longer term suggestion, I would like to draw your attention and
that of the group to my post #8593, where I have suggested a
multinational union to provide funding to people who really want to stop
this happening. They are out there. $2000 worth of microwave absorber
now and homelessness and unemployment later? Or money spent now, and
next year a study to wave in somebody's face that will remove any
pestilence from your life. As for the cost, if proof was uncovered,
there are ways of recouping that money at a later date. But cost is
the least of it.

Get your wiring and that computer checked (the electrician who will be
hard to find will have
to do everything as per Riley's book 'Tracing EMFs in building wiring
and grounding'), then if that doesn't work we'll try to think of
something else. Interested in others opinions on fixing it.

Hang in there for a while.

Rowan C



--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 6/6/2007 8:29:35 AM GMT Daylight Time,  
> charles@... writes:
>
> Normally, I measure ca. 200 uW/m2 from a DECT phone through a stone  
wall.
>
> Don't get fooled by thinking that the distance is important.
> A safe distance is 300 metres away!
>
> So, 0.25 metres, or 1 metre, or 5 metres, is still a dangerous
distance.
>
> I measure DECT signals 3 houses away.
> Like those wireless internet modems/routers.
>
>
>
> Charles right now I could cry - I know when I am getting very bad with
ES  
> when my glands under my arms start to throb, my tinitus goes of the
scale and my
> head and ears sting all over and I could quite easily forget my name !  
My  
> neighbouir has since seeing the Panorama programme taken his twin ariel
router
> from upstairs and placed it downstairs next to his dect phone in a
single
> glass sunlounge which is no more than 7 mtrs from where I sit at my
laptop. He  
> cant be all bad as he has accepted that I buy him an analougue cordless
phone
> which I now await. As for the Wifi router there seems no viable change
for  
> this. How much can you influence someone before they Say this is my
house I
> can do what I like ! He may be scared of legal action from me (evan  
though
> that is remote) due to personal injury as I told him a fib on this that  
it was
> happening in the USA, THAT MIGHT BE MY ONLY HOPE !
>  
> aLSO I have been sitting at my laptop and now feeling very ill, I tested
the
> equipment with the Trifeild meter, the EMF was quite high, but the
Efeild  
> was off the scale on everything I went near where I sit 100mg plus - I
traced  
> this to a 3 plug adaptor which takes my printer,laptop and another.  
When I  
> unplugged this, especially the printer the wall area table, mouse,
laptop etc  
> all went back to normal average readings. I have obviously gone into
the red

I know the feeling. Hang in there Paul. My best suggestion is to spend
some more time with your neighbor and get to know his values and show
him that you care about him too. I think if he knows you care about
him, he will care more about you and be willing to do much more for
you.
Ultimately, you must move to take care of yourself if he won't budge.
Yes, you could file a lawsuit and threaten him. I think he will find
someway to get back at you and make life more miserable.
Call your local Legislator and complain to him. I am lobbying with the
Commerce committee. The telecommunications companies are trying to pass
a bill that would allow building of a tower on anything and anywhere at
anytime.
People need to know about you and what own condition is and that they
could feel this way too. We are not freaks.
Good luck to you.
Your success is my success.

Andrew

On Jun 6, 2007, at 4:31 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

There is a microwave absobing sheet made from non-woven pure carbon fibers which does not need to be grounded. See
http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html#259

It is low cost and suitable for hanging on a wall.

Emil

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From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: YShild Carbon/Graphite Paint

I think most ppl with ES, especially those who've had it for years,
constantly wrack their brains about how to MAKE THEMSELVES HEARD!!

I often "fantasise" about making a documentary.  

You get a remote location, detatched place in mountains, no nearby
masts, DECTS, powerlines, etc....

You take an ES person and film them (handheld camera) for 2 weeks.  

YOu then switch on a DECT phone and film for a further 2 weeks.

Switch off the DECT and film for final 2 weeks.

What is also required is a qualified doctor. I am convinced that
what i feel when i feel ES is levels of white and red blood couunts
falling (a la Radiation poisoning..see wikipedia).

Problems
a) The ES person would risk making their condition much, much worse.  
This is serious stuff.
b) it wld still be blown out of the water for not being a double
blind whatever whatever....
c) even if it made good telly itd soon be forgotten.

There are fighting words, and then there is assertiveness and
progress. If I did not assertively regain my medical and
dental records, I would never have climbed the mountains or
run the kilometres I have in the last few years, I would still
be in a sick bed. And I would never have been clued onto
getting my dental records if a lady had not assertively gone on
tv to give one warning too many about dental amalgams.

In a recent cancer cluster, I immediately rang the coroners
office and said that there should be a coronial inquest
if anybody else died at the site. They instanteously agreed.

Following another cancer cluster here it became
obvious that the corporation in charge of the site had
sacrificed the lives of their employees. We all applied
pressure to the corporation, a lawyer represented some
of the staff, and the corporation backed down and gave
a full admission that there was a problem in a peaceful
manner. One of the staff members of the corporation running
the coverup was arrested subsequently on a trumped up
criminal charge.

Research takes money. How about a SIM card for mobile phone
users where 2% of every call cost goes straight to electrosensitivity
research needs, not telecomm company research? At the rate people
make mobile calls we'd be swimming in money.

A leading Belgian electrosensitive mobilised people and resources
because he had a heart condition and needed something done about
it. Now he is dead from that heart condition. Nobody would type
for him I bet. Several people are dead.

The Koreans realised that their teenagers were behaving
abnormally with their mobile phone addictions. Some scientists
ran a study to show it. Now the Korean government has
openly admitted in a major conference that some of their citizens have
contracted CFS from 3G towers and the government have moved those
3G towers.

If you want to do a video you can put it on Youtube. Some of the
refugees need to be seen on youtube.

The efforts by dedicated individuals around the world have led
to significant progress.

However a small number of the research results have not been to a
high enough standard. If they are replicated and published such
results are capable of changing government policy and will sway
say a school or university staff.

Meanwhile industry is spending $50 million publishing
disinformation to people like you. I am qualified in this field
of study and have studied the facts for many years. I know better
than you the technical challenges you are up against in radiation
handling and I can
state categorically that when those challenges are met with
funding and a plan, safety will come. I don't see any point in
being polite about this. There are people who need our
money.

However negativity may one day lead to yourself and others
living in refuges. You should think about that. I have spoken
personally to murderous employers, and I think I have probably
lost far more money than you.

As we speak, more than 50% of the farmed bees in the US have vanished. A
large proportion of a multibillion dollar economy has gone down
the toilet in 5 months. In hurricane Katrina style the handful
of scientists
trying to stop this have been given about enough funding
to blow their noses with. How much money do you think any
agency is going to give to you?

That said I admit that I do become aggressive after using the
computer (which along with sleep is one of my symptoms are you
should know if you have read Santini). I have been using it for
some weeks which has resulted in these 'fighting words'. No
more long posts for a while.


--- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <asurisuk@...> wrote:

In a message dated 6/7/2007 3:13:36 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

pass
a bill that would allow building of a tower on anything and anywhere at
anytime.
People need to know about you and what own condition is and that they
could feel this way too. We are not freaks.
Good luck to you.
Your success is my success.

Andrew




Many thanks for what I could call good Karma
Your success is my success and so to the populus at large.

Thanks

Paul UK








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Rowan, i think you misunderstand our quirky British humour. I can
assure you I was not attacking or criticising your approach, far from
it. I agree with much of what you say, which is why I made my own
humble offering of a possible way of raising awareness about the
suffering ppl with ES endure. (I too have lost an ES friend, who
also died suddenly of a heart attack).

In your last msg you came accross as being rather judgemental of ppl
like myself, insinuating that we are complacent, when you know
nothing about me!

J

 
--- In [hidden email], "rowster_c" <rowanc@...> wrote: electrosensitivity have vanished. A years,
> > constantly wrack their brains about how to MAKE THEMSELVES HEARD!!
> >
> > I often "fantasise" about making a documentary.  
> >
> > You get a remote location, detatched place in mountains, no
nearby
> > masts, DECTS, powerlines, etc....
> >
> > You take an ES person and film them (handheld camera) for 2
weeks.  
> >
> > YOu then switch on a DECT phone and film for a further 2 weeks.
> >
> > Switch off the DECT and film for final 2 weeks.
> >
> > What is also required is a qualified doctor. I am convinced that
> > what i feel when i feel ES is levels of white and red blood
couunts
> > falling (a la Radiation poisoning..see wikipedia).
> >
> > Problems
> > a) The ES person would risk making their condition much, much
worse.  
> > This is serious stuff.
> > b) it wld still be blown out of the water for not being a double
> > blind whatever whatever....
> > c) even if it made good telly itd soon be forgotten.
> >
>

Hate to say this, but one must be realistic. Chances of getting anything
from a lawsuit about an effect which is not officially recognised are
virtually nil, certainly in the UK. You certainly couldn't show that your
neighbour had been in any way negligent when all official advice up to now
has been that wifi does not cause adverse effects to people. There were a
couple who tried a lawsuit a couple of years back against a mast near their
home which was affecting them physically - they lost all their money on
legal fees and still got nowhere. (I think electrosensitivity.co.uk had
some details on this at one time).
 
A better use of the money might well be to take a week's holiday in a good
remote part of the country where you don't get mobile or wifi signals (Sue
gained hugely from some weeks we were able to spend in the Elan Valley in
Wales, but other deep valleys or quiet areas in woods/lake areas are good).
And leave your laptop behind.... Seriously, can that be helping you?
Often, severely ES people can't go anywhere near a working computer of any
sort - it's a big extra load. And because it's so close to you, it could be
having an even greater effect than your neighbour's wi-fi!
 
Good luck, Ian

_____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Andrew McAfee
Sent: 06 June 2007 13:59
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: YShild Carbon/Graphite Paint



I know the feeling. Hang in there Paul. My best suggestion is to spend
some more time with your neighbor and get to know his values and show
him that you care about him too. I think if he knows you care about
him, he will care more about you and be willing to do much more for
you.
Ultimately, you must move to take care of yourself if he won't budge.
Yes, you could file a lawsuit and threaten him. I think he will find
someway to get back at you and make life more miserable.
Call your local Legislator and complain to him. I am lobbying with the
Commerce committee. The telecommunications companies are trying to pass
a bill that would allow building of a tower on anything and anywhere at
anytime.
People need to know about you and what own condition is and that they
could feel this way too. We are not freaks.
Good luck to you.
Your success is my success.

Andrew

On Jun 6, 2007, at 4:31 AM, paulpjc@aol. <mailto:paulpjc%40aol.com> com
wrote:



 


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In a message dated 6/8/2007 1:49:18 AM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

A better use of the money might well be to take a week's holiday in a good
remote part of the country where you don't get mobile or wifi signals (Sue
gained hugely from some weeks we were able to spend in the Elan Valley in
Wales, but other deep valleys or quiet areas in woods/lake areas are good).
And leave your laptop behind.... Seriously, can that be helping you?
Often, severely ES people can't go anywhere near a working computer of any
sort - it's a big extra load. And because it's so close to you, it could be
having an even greater effect than your neighbour's wi-fi!

Good luck, Ian



I aggree entirely, its not a good situation to be in, desparate situations
call for...etc. As far as the Laptop is concerned it facilitates my main
scource of income as a Building Surveyor and work from home, now that of course
has been scuppered by the localised wireless devices. I have reduced my hours
down to 15 per week and still this is a big challenge, more so lately as
something has changed in the EM evironment here. But it is the lesser of many
evils, for what I earn in 2 days I could graft at something less skilled and
potentially earn less and also still get zapped, that is the dillema. Although
that is becoming more of a paradoxically welcome situation.

As far as the em background here is concerned, my neighbours son is using
his PC in his bedroom revising for exams etc this connects to the wifi router
downstairs in the sunlounge (which can be used up to 2 am ! some nights) where
his father uses a laptop on wireless next to router and dect phone(dect as
of 1 hour ago now off as I bought him an analogue cordless - Horray) but on my
esmog detector I can now clearly here a faint growl probably his wifi and a
whine from the 3 G mast 800mtrs away(probably the point2point transmiter side
lobe which until now I thought only hit my bedroom window). When I awaken at
night I am left in a state of torment, for when you stand still or stay in
one postion such as lying in your bed in the em soup you can feel the
concentrated effects so much more than if you are moving around and able to
concentrate on other things. ES puts you in a box/cage that gets bigger and smaller
depending on your exposure. So many things that the unafflicted take for
granted are more often than not falling just in and out of the box constantly, for
me its office work, yes I can do it for a short while, that takes courage and
or stupidity as I am obviously injuring myself still further, but the
soloution I have found ie to work from home with all its problems allows me to
continue to support my family. Yes ultimately you are right I should get away,
but right now I cant afford it, I cant leave my wife and kids alone, not
forgetting they attend school, and as I work freelance (not really by choice) I
would not get paid while away further increasing other stresses, so its a
vicious circle allround.

I should be making myself ill at the moment doing a computer aided tech dwg
for my employer instead of writing this, so I guess I better get on.

FRY FOR NOW !

Paul UK






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> And because it's so close to you, it could be
> having an even greater effect than your neighbour's wi-fi!

That was one of the things that amused me about that UK
documentary that was mentioned a few weeks back. Here
they are proclaiming how dangerous Wi-Fi is, while they
sit right in front of their laptop computer, completely
ignoring that it also emits a lot of radation... :-)

Marc

In a message dated 6/8/2007 3:45:05 PM GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

And because it's so close to you, it could be
> having an even greater effect than your neighbour's wi-fi!

That was one of the things that amused me about that UK
documentary that was mentioned a few weeks back. Here
they are proclaiming how dangerous Wi-Fi is, while they
sit right in front of their laptop computer, completely
ignoring that it also emits a lot of radation... :-)




Yes but on its own it might not be enought to trigger ES, add in all the
other EMR in any one location and we have an ever increasing recipe for disaster.

Paul UK






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Well, that cuts both ways. If your laptop computer gives you 80% of your
received MW range radiation and your neighbour's WiFi contributes the other
20%, they might reasonably ask why you're still using your laptop if EMR is
a problem for you :-)
 
But for ES people who react so strongly to EMR that they can't use computers
etc at all, extra radiation from WiFi and masts is a major problem, because
it's not easily avoidable, and gives a big relative increase in their EMR
exposure. As always, the question is; will severely E-sensitive people
remain a small minority, or are they the tip of the iceberg and the
early-warning canaries?
 
Ian

_____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
[hidden email]
Sent: 08 June 2007 15:57
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: YShild Carbon/Graphite Paint




In a message dated 6/8/2007 3:45:05 PM GMT Daylight Time, marc@ufoseries.
<mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com
writes:

And because it's so close to you, it could be
> having an even greater effect than your neighbour's wi-fi!

That was one of the things that amused me about that UK
documentary that was mentioned a few weeks back. Here
they are proclaiming how dangerous Wi-Fi is, while they
sit right in front of their laptop computer, completely
ignoring that it also emits a lot of radation... :-)

Yes but on its own it might not be enought to trigger ES, add in all the
other EMR in any one location and we have an ever increasing recipe for
disaster.

Paul UK

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