YShild Carbon/Graphite Paint

Classic

List

Threaded

63 messages Options

1234

PUK

Re: YShild Carbon/Graphite Paint

In a message dated 6/11/2007 12:37:50 AM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Well, that cuts both ways. If your laptop computer gives you 80% of your
received MW range radiation and your neighbour's WiFi contributes the other
20%, they might reasonably ask why you're still using your laptop if EMR is
a problem for you :-)

But for ES people who react so strongly to EMR that they can't use computers
etc at all, extra radiation from WiFi and masts is a major problem, because
it's not easily avoidable, and gives a big relative increase in their EMR
exposure. As always, the question is; will severely E-sensitive people
remain a small minority, or are they the tip of the iceberg and the
early-warning canaries?

Ian

Paul UK REPLIES

As far as using the laptop is concerned at least my laptop does not
irradiate my neighbour. By removing this layer of irradiation I am wittling down the
antagonists to my condition. I am painfully aware that using the PC is
further compounding my ES, which today has led to the loss of an ongoing contract
becuase over the last number of months I have not been able to control my
exposure levels as well as I might and my performance has decreased. Ironically
the man that has kept me afloat finacially for the last 8 months, has an
office some 5 x 5 m that has no less that 3 dect base stns amidst all the other
typical devices abound in offices ! I can stand no more than 10 mins there,
withoot hours of muzziness and agitation and general weakness. The alternative
is meet at another venue, but this is 350mtrs from 3 lampost masts, 600mtrs
from a large 25 m mast array and the quaint estate is awash with dect etc.
so time spent there leaveas me the same,if not worse and I am coming down from
this a little right now having left the place 3 hrs ago. Yes Ian, I should
turn my back on computer work lets face it you stick your face in an
electrical device when you do this. I am heading for disaster here, but I must stay
positive and keep couragous, I want out from this, but maybe there is an
element of self harm here in as much as I f I keep doing this they will
eventually have to carry me away in a stretcher, perhaps then I might have an element
of belief conveyed from those who are skeptical ! (my wife is a diamond
though) I am keeping up the good fight for now, and working my way through
possibilities and scenarios and I will find a way around this short of giving up
work becuase that is no good for anyone especially when you have a family to
support.!!

Paul UK

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

evie15422

I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by PUK

Hi, All,

While I am in a posting mood, I would appreciate everyone's opinions as to what they would do and consider in my situation.... I have been house hunting for the last 15 months, unsuccessfully. Every house I find that doesn't have a mold or pesticide problem, has an ES problem. I have now found a house that we are very interested in and would work great for us except that I react to cell towers outside the house and in the bathroom there. I notice that I do not react all over there due to large pine trees which shelter some of the yard.

I might add that I am looking for a new location due to being allergic to pesticides in my own home (long story). I do not have an ES problem at my current home--no cell towers, etc, there. HOWEVER, the pesticide exposure has made me react to cell towers and other magnetic fields when I am around them elsewhere. (I had had the ES problem licked by detoxing and avoidance, but ES returned when I was exposed to the pesticides.)

I have been in contact with Dr Rea's staff and with the National Pesticide Hotline, etc. They inform me I need to move (and yet it has been 15 months and I am STILL HERE! urgggh!) I have managed to get the pesticide problem contained to half of my house, which I no longer use. I USUALLY do fairly well in the rest of the house, but cannot use particular appliances which dry up the air and kick up pesticides in the good section of house, like the dryer and the air conditioner, etc. I am told it could take up to 6 to 10 years for the pesticides to entirely dissipate. Till then, I am on hold here, just waiting it out.

Now back to the house with ES... Do you think that the house with ES problems outside and in the bathroom would work for me with addition of more pine trees and shielding methods of various types? Or do you think I am better off in my own home without ES problems but with the pesticide issues???? Also, do you think that in time I WOULD react more there if I were exposed to the ES on an ongoing basis?

Many thanks. All suggestions will be appreciated and considered,
Diane

[hidden email] wrote:

---------------------------------
Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

PUK

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In a message dated 6/22/2007 8:35:53 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Now back to the house with ES... Do you think that the house with ES
problems outside and in the bathroom would work for me with addition of more pine
trees and shielding methods of various types? Or do you think I am better off
in my own home without ES problems but with the pesticide issues???? Also, do
you think that in time I WOULD react more there if I were exposed to the ES
on an ongoing basis?

Many thanks. All suggestions will be appreciated and considered,
Diane

_paulpjc@aol.pau_ (mailto:[hidden email]) wrote:

Yes ES could deepen over time in a bad environment, especially if you have
cell towers within min 500mtrs-1000mtrs. However you can erradicate most
internal ES problems as you call them. Wiring can be checked and altered or
filtered if alteration to costly/disruptive. Sheilding will help from cell
towers and neighbouring radiation but best get a professional to do this for you
as per the wiring an electrcian that knows the bio pitfalls of emf/elec feilds
and dirty elec and can modify accordingly plus you will need proof of his
work. You could also install a demand switch at the mains breaker box so that
elec is only present in wiring when you demand ie, when you flick a switch
etc. I would opt always for a detached property with at a wide boundary from
neighbours, depends on your money situation. Pine trees might help but that
said they will take many years to mature and lets face it evan trees can die
from emf.

hopefully charles classens can give you more info here, I am a building
Surveyor with limited knowledge of building pathology but he seems to be a
specialist so lets get a holistic view here cos as you know its not just emf that
can affect our health in our houses.

Paul UK

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Andrew McAfee

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by evie15422

I wonder if an Ozone generator will help break down the pesticides.
There are air cleaners and UV lights that might help too.
andrew

On Jun 22, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Evie wrote:

> Hi, All,
>
> While I am in a posting mood, I would appreciate everyone's opinions
> as to what they would do and consider in my situation.... I have been
> house hunting for the last 15 months, unsuccessfully. Every house I
> find that doesn't have a mold or pesticide problem, has an ES problem.
> I have now found a house that we are very interested in and would
> work great for us except that I react to cell towers outside the house
> and in the bathroom there. I notice that I do not react all over
> there due to large pine trees which shelter some of the yard.
>
> I might add that I am looking for a new location due to being
> allergic to pesticides in my own home (long story). I do not have an
> ES problem at my current home--no cell towers, etc, there. HOWEVER,
> the pesticide exposure has made me react to cell towers and other
> magnetic fields when I am around them elsewhere. (I had had the ES
> problem licked by detoxing and avoidance, but ES returned when I was
> exposed to the pesticides.)
>
> I have been in contact with Dr Rea's staff and with the National
> Pesticide Hotline, etc. They inform me I need to move (and yet it has
> been 15 months and I am STILL HERE! urgggh!) I have managed to get
> the pesticide problem contained to half of my house, which I no longer
> use. I USUALLY do fairly well in the rest of the house, but cannot
> use particular appliances which dry up the air and kick up pesticides
> in the good section of house, like the dryer and the air conditioner,
> etc. I am told it could take up to 6 to 10 years for the pesticides
> to entirely dissipate. Till then, I am on hold here, just waiting it
> out.
>
> Now back to the house with ES... Do you think that the house with
> ES problems outside and in the bathroom would work for me with
> addition of more pine trees and shielding methods of various types?
> Or do you think I am better off in my own home without ES problems but
> with the pesticide issues???? Also, do you think that in time I WOULD
> react more there if I were exposed to the ES on an ongoing basis?
>
> Many thanks. All suggestions will be appreciated and considered,
> Diane
>
> [hidden email] wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

evie15422

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by PUK

Thanks for your ideas, Paul,

Actually I have no problems at this new house with either neighbors or with internal wiring, which is the reason I am so keen on buying it. In mostareas, the neighbors' homes are the problem for me. I really don't know too much about the wiring, tho, as this is a deceased's estate up for sale and the electricity is mostly shut off except for lights. I really need to check out the other wiring, thanks for mentioning. That is not something Ihave a problem with in my home, either, so didn't even think about it. The only EMF problems there, that I can tell, are from the 3 evil trifecta cell towers (a small bit of humor). In my area, they seem to always place them in a triangle around all the small towns. They have likely just not gotaround to my little area where I live, located in a small valley, yet--butcould at any time. The 'new' house--the one I am looking at--was built inthe 1950s and likely has '50's wiring. It was a well built house for it'stime. It is
on a bit over an acre and all other homes there the same, so they are nicely spaced, and walking by all the neighbors I could feel nothing eminating from them.

The problem in the bathroom of the house is coming from the window facingthe one cell tower. And I suspect all the metal in the room is attractingit somewhat--all the fixtures are porcelain over cast iron. It is hard to"guestimate" how far the cell tower's are. I can look into that next week, but my husband and I think they are about 2000 to 2500 meters. The biggest problem is that the house is on a high piece of land right in the middleof the 3. I CAN opt to buy full grown pine trees. My current next-door neighbor raises Christmas trees and he would help me out. Still would be pricey and would have to be professionally planted, but could probably be done. The house itself is only half of our planned budget, so we'd have moneyto spend there. (It is a fixer upper in a nice neighborhood, but it really doesn't need much except cosmetic improvements.) I just am wondering if the trees would take care of the problem or whether I would end up feeling more EMFs
there over time even with trees. I love gardening and so I definitely would want to go outdoors.

Thanks again for your input, Paul,
Diane
[hidden email] wrote:

In a message dated 6/22/2007 8:35:53 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Now back to the house with ES... Do you think that the house with ES
problems outside and in the bathroom would work for me with addition of more pine
trees and shielding methods of various types? Or do you think I am better off
in my own home without ES problems but with the pesticide issues???? Also, do
you think that in time I WOULD react more there if I were exposed to the ES
on an ongoing basis?

Many thanks. All suggestions will be appreciated and considered,
Diane

_paulpjc@aol.pau_ (mailto:[hidden email]) wrote:

Yes ES could deepen over time in a bad environment, especially if you have
cell towers within min 500mtrs-1000mtrs. However you can erradicate most
internal ES problems as you call them. Wiring can be checked and altered or
filtered if alteration to costly/disruptive. Sheilding will help from cell
towers and neighbouring radiation but best get a professional to do this for you
as per the wiring an electrcian that knows the bio pitfalls of emf/elec feilds
and dirty elec and can modify accordingly plus you will need proof of his
work. You could also install a demand switch at the mains breaker box so that
elec is only present in wiring when you demand ie, when you flick a switch
etc. I would opt always for a detached property with at a wide boundary from
neighbours, depends on your money situation. Pine trees might help but that
said they will take many years to mature and lets face it evan trees can die
from emf.

hopefully charles classens can give you more info here, I am a building
Surveyor with limited knowledge of building pathology but he seems to be a
specialist so lets get a holistic view here cos as you know its not just emf that
can affect our health in our houses.

Paul UK

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

---------------------------------
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

evie15422

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee

Hi Andrew,

Marc suggested trying ozone about 8 months ago. I asked the pesticide hotline people and they did not think it would work. I tried air cleaners (with ozone and without) and they tend to make the problem worse, not better.But I do not think that qualifies as an ozone generator. An ozone generator is still something I have considered, but I am not sure which one is best to buy. (And they are pricey.) I was told to rent one from a local hazmat team, but area fire departments seem not to have a clue what I am talking about.

I did not try UV lights, tho. That is a thought and I will try that! Thanks! Nobody has mentioned that and that is an easy try.

Thanks again, Andrew,
Diane

Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:
I wonder if an Ozone generator will help break down the pesticides.
There are air cleaners and UV lights that might help too.
andrew

On Jun 22, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Evie wrote:

---------------------------------
Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

PUK

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by evie15422

In a message dated 6/23/2007 2:00:59 AM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

. I CAN opt to buy full grown pine trees. My current next-door neighbor
raises Christmas trees and he would help me out. Still would be pricey and would
have to be professionally planted, but could probably be done. The house
itself is only half of our planned budget, so we'd have money to spend there. (It
is a fixer upper in a nice neighborhood, but it really doesn't need much
except cosmetic improvements.. I CAN opt to buy full grown pine trees. My
current next-door neighbor raises Christmas trees and he wou
there over time even with trees. I love gardening and so I definitely would
want to go outdoors.

If you want to iron out any EMF problems, it would be better to get a
professional EMF survey and solution done. The trees will offer some deflection/
absorbtion but better to sheild with the correct material especially over
windows. Make sure that you get the earth checked out so that your metal
fixtures are properly earth bonded. This should be included in a good emf
survey/report/solutions. It will be money well spent and cost less than one mature
tree.

Paul UK

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

skrzn

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by evie15422

EM should be the answer to this problem, would save you moving to a less friendly
environment.
http://www.scdworld.com/
http://www.emtechnologynetwork.org/~en/_web/activities2.html
It will certainly get rid of mold/fungus, and evidence shows that it neutralizes common
toxins such as pesticides/herbicides.

William

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Marc suggested trying ozone about 8 months ago. I asked the pesticide hotline
people and they did not think it would work. I tried air cleaners (with ozone and without)
and they tend to make the problem worse, not better. But I do not think that qualifies as
an ozone generator. An ozone generator is still something I have considered, but I am
not sure which one is best to buy. (And they are pricey.) I was told to rent one from a
local hazmat team, but area fire departments seem not to have a clue what Iam talking
about.
>
> I did not try UV lights, tho. That is a thought and I will try that! Thanks! Nobody has
mentioned that and that is an easy try.

>
> Thanks again, Andrew,
> Diane
>
> Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
> I wonder if an Ozone generator will help break down the pesticides.
> There are air cleaners and UV lights that might help too.
> andrew
>
> On Jun 22, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Evie wrote:
>
> > Hi, All,
> >
> > While I am in a posting mood, I would appreciate everyone's opinions
> > as to what they would do and consider in my situation.... I have been
> > house hunting for the last 15 months, unsuccessfully. Every house I
> > find that doesn't have a mold or pesticide problem, has an ES problem.
> > I have now found a house that we are very interested in and would
> > work great for us except that I react to cell towers outside the house
> > and in the bathroom there. I notice that I do not react all over
> > there due to large pine trees which shelter some of the yard.
> >
> > I might add that I am looking for a new location due to being
> > allergic to pesticides in my own home (long story). I do not have an
> > ES problem at my current home--no cell towers, etc, there. HOWEVER,
> > the pesticide exposure has made me react to cell towers and other
> > magnetic fields when I am around them elsewhere. (I had had the ES
> > problem licked by detoxing and avoidance, but ES returned when I was
> > exposed to the pesticides.)
> >
> > I have been in contact with Dr Rea's staff and with the National
> > Pesticide Hotline, etc. They inform me I need to move (and yet it has
> > been 15 months and I am STILL HERE! urgggh!) I have managed to get
> > the pesticide problem contained to half of my house, which I no longer
> > use. I USUALLY do fairly well in the rest of the house, but cannot
> > use particular appliances which dry up the air and kick up pesticides
> > in the good section of house, like the dryer and the air conditioner,
> > etc. I am told it could take up to 6 to 10 years for the pesticides
> > to entirely dissipate. Till then, I am on hold here, just waiting it
> > out.
> >
> > Now back to the house with ES... Do you think that the house with
> > ES problems outside and in the bathroom would work for me with
> > addition of more pine trees and shielding methods of various types?
> > Or do you think I am better off in my own home without ES problems but
> > with the pesticide issues???? Also, do you think that in time I WOULD
> > react more there if I were exposed to the ES on an ongoing basis?
> >
> > Many thanks. All suggestions will be appreciated and considered,
> > Diane
> >
> > paulpjc@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Marc Martin

Re: I need some input and suggestions

Administrator

skrzn wrote:
> EM should be the answer to this problem, would save you moving to a
> less friendly environment.
> http://www.scdworld.com/
> http://www.emtechnologynetwork.org/~en/_web/activities2.html
> It will certainly get rid of mold/fungus, and evidence shows that it
> neutralizes common toxins such as pesticides/herbicides.

Hmmm, I've used EM about our house/yard, and I haven't noticed it
doing much of anything, other than temporarily making it smell
like molasses...

Marc

asurisuk

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by PUK

i'm not sure trees will work based on a post i read earlier on the
website Mast-Victims.org. Look at the "Vortex" case history. One of
the posters says they spent thousands on trees that didn't "do
diddle" as they put it!.

But all in all its very difficult to give advice as only you know
your own body, and whether your problem is primarily MCS or ES. I
remember that lady Cara who was on here seeking advice about buying a
house ages ago to ease her ES husband's symptoms. She went for a
house at the bottom of a hill with a mast on top of it, even though
we all advised her against it, and we had a debate then about
measuring devises versus gut instinct in choosing somewhere to live.
She got the house and the last thing we heard as far as i recall
(tho' i have been a bit out of touch for the past year) she reported
back after a week in the new house that everything was great, and as
far as i know (correct me if i'm wrong) we've not heard from her
since (which i presume must be a good sign??)

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 6/23/2007 2:00:59 AM GMT Daylight Time,
> evie15422@... writes:
>
> . I CAN opt to buy full grown pine trees. My current next-door
neighbor
> raises Christmas trees and he would help me out. Still would be
pricey and would
> have to be professionally planted, but could probably be done. The
house
> itself is only half of our planned budget, so we'd have money to
spend there. (It
> is a fixer upper in a nice neighborhood, but it really doesn't
need much
> except cosmetic improvements.. I CAN opt to buy full grown pine
trees. My
> current next-door neighbor raises Christmas trees and he wou
> there over time even with trees. I love gardening and so I
definitely would
> want to go outdoors.
>
>
>
>
> If you want to iron out any EMF problems, it would be better to get
a
> professional EMF survey and solution done. The trees will offer
some deflection/
> absorbtion but better to sheild with the correct material
especially over
> windows. Make sure that you get the earth checked out so that
your metal
> fixtures are properly earth bonded. This should be included in a
good emf
> survey/report/solutions. It will be money well spent and cost
less than one mature

> tree.
>
> Paul UK
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Rberge9640

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by evie15422

EM works but it takes a long time. Frankly, it is a bit mystical. I did
not believe many of the claims when I first started using it. A long time for
me was about a year before I saw significant results in myself, animals, fish
and plants. If you want to understand EM you need to read one of Dr. Teruo
Higa's books. My experience indicates it is even more effective than his
claims.

Some web sites you can learn more from: _http://www.emamerica.com/data/_
(http://www.emamerica.com/data/) (Check out EM Videos)

_http://www.scdworld.com/_ (http://www.scdworld.com/) (Sells EM Plus)
_http://www.eminfo.info/moreem1.htm_
(http://www.eminfo.info/moreem1.htm) (Vinny Pinto Info)

If you go with EM you can forget about using ozone type devices at the same
time. EM microbes out compete the bad microbes. While ozone kills the good
and the bad. Vinny pinto has excellent information on the Web and in his
books. EM America has some good on line videos. SCD World has EM Plus with
more photosynthetic Microbes which are the heart of EM as they can survive with
or without oxygen.

There are many variables and EM has to learn to work with your water and
local bacteria. Individual results may take less or more time.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ian Kemp

RE: Ozone generators (was: I need some input and suggestions)

In reply to this post by evie15422

Interesting that the pesticide people were sceptical about ozone - had they
actually tried it or were they not sure?

If material is deeply impregnated with something awkward, ozone might be the
only thing that has a chance of working. Sue's car was valeted last year
and the guy used some perfumed shampoo by mistake, although we'd
specifically told him not to. We tried all sorts of things to remove the
smell - steam cleaning, bicarbonate of soda - which reduced it but did not
remove the residual smell impregnated into the fabric. Then we tried an
ozone generator lent by a friend, and it removed the smell completely in two
12 hour bursts. Sue has used the car ever since with no ill effects.

The manufacturers claim it is widely used in nursing homes and hotels to
break down smells from spillages, incontinence etc. which sounds promising.
The principle is that the ozone, which is highly reactive and "oxidising",
breaks down large organic molecules (like pesticide) into carbon dioxide and
water. Because it is a gas, it penetrates deeply into fabrics whereas steam
cleaning etc just affects the surface. This is scientifically sound, the
question is how fast does it work on any given molecule; minutes, hours,
days, weeks or months? Also, other things in the room could be affected
(e.g. colours could fade, plastics could begin to break down), though
hopefully the effect will be small for a short exposure.

We have just bought an ozone generator as a last attempt to solve the
problem of odour from our new carpet. This is a wool carpet and the residual
smell (which irritates Sue's lungs) is probably either a pesticide or the
dark green dye, or both. This generator cost just under £ 200 sterling
(about $ 300 US). We will try it out and report back to the group on
whether it is successful on this, but will not have any results for a couple
of weeks as Sue is away at the moment.

Incidentally we did try an air cleaner (air filter) on this and, although it
improved matters, it didn't solve them. It mopped up odours that had
already offgassed but didn't do anything to stop future offgassing. As far
as I kow you are right - they produce little or no ozone (even the ones
which generate negative ions), so are not a substitute for a true ozone
generator.

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Evie
Sent: 23 June 2007 02:13
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] I need some input and suggestions

Hi Andrew,

Marc suggested trying ozone about 8 months ago. I asked the pesticide
hotline people and they did not think it would work. I tried air cleaners
(with ozone and without) and they tend to make the problem worse, not
better. But I do not think that qualifies as an ozone generator. An ozone
generator is still something I have considered, but I am not sure which one
is best to buy. (And they are pricey.) I was told to rent one from a local
hazmat team, but area fire departments seem not to have a clue what I am
talking about.

I did not try UV lights, tho. That is a thought and I will try that! Thanks!
Nobody has mentioned that and that is an easy try.

Thanks again, Andrew,
Diane

Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. <mailto:amcafeerr%40nc.rr.com> rr.com> wrote:
I wonder if an Ozone generator will help break down the pesticides.
There are air cleaners and UV lights that might help too.
andrew

On Jun 22, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Evie wrote:

> Hi, All,
>
> While I am in a posting mood, I would appreciate everyone's opinions
> as to what they would do and consider in my situation.... I have been
> house hunting for the last 15 months, unsuccessfully. Every house I
> find that doesn't have a mold or pesticide problem, has an ES problem.
> I have now found a house that we are very interested in and would
> work great for us except that I react to cell towers outside the house
> and in the bathroom there. I notice that I do not react all over
> there due to large pine trees which shelter some of the yard.
>
> I might add that I am looking for a new location due to being
> allergic to pesticides in my own home (long story). I do not have an
> ES problem at my current home--no cell towers, etc, there. HOWEVER,
> the pesticide exposure has made me react to cell towers and other
> magnetic fields when I am around them elsewhere. (I had had the ES
> problem licked by detoxing and avoidance, but ES returned when I was
> exposed to the pesticides.)
>
> I have been in contact with Dr Rea's staff and with the National
> Pesticide Hotline, etc. They inform me I need to move (and yet it has
> been 15 months and I am STILL HERE! urgggh!) I have managed to get
> the pesticide problem contained to half of my house, which I no longer
> use. I USUALLY do fairly well in the rest of the house, but cannot
> use particular appliances which dry up the air and kick up pesticides
> in the good section of house, like the dryer and the air conditioner,
> etc. I am told it could take up to 6 to 10 years for the pesticides
> to entirely dissipate. Till then, I am on hold here, just waiting it
> out.
>
> Now back to the house with ES... Do you think that the house with
> ES problems outside and in the bathroom would work for me with
> addition of more pine trees and shielding methods of various types?
> Or do you think I am better off in my own home without ES problems but
> with the pesticide issues???? Also, do you think that in time I WOULD
> react more there if I were exposed to the ES on an ongoing basis?
>
> Many thanks. All suggestions will be appreciated and considered,
> Diane
>
> paulpjc@aol. <mailto:paulpjc%40aol.com> com wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

---------------------------------
Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

pete robinson

Re: Ozone generators (was: I need some input and suggestions)

In reply to this post by evie15422

where did you get you're generator from ..
i would like one for my motor it is old and smells old as well
best
pete
On 24 Jun 2007, at 22:28, Ian Kemp wrote:

> Interesting that the pesticide people were sceptical about ozone - had
> they
> actually tried it or were they not sure?
>
> If material is deeply impregnated with something awkward, ozone might
> be the
> only thing that has a chance of working. Sue's car was valeted last
> year
> and the guy used some perfumed shampoo by mistake, although we'd
> specifically told him not to. We tried all sorts of things to remove
> the
> smell - steam cleaning, bicarbonate of soda - which reduced it but
> did not
> remove the residual smell impregnated into the fabric. Then we tried
> an
> ozone generator lent by a friend, and it removed the smell completely
> in two
> 12 hour bursts. Sue has used the car ever since with no ill effects.
>
> The manufacturers claim it is widely used in nursing homes and hotels
> to
> break down smells from spillages, incontinence etc. which sounds
> promising.
> The principle is that the ozone, which is highly reactive and
> "oxidising",
> breaks down large organic molecules (like pesticide) into carbon
> dioxide and
> water. Because it is a gas, it penetrates deeply into fabrics whereas
> steam
> cleaning etc just affects the surface. This is scientifically sound,
> the
> question is how fast does it work on any given molecule; minutes,
> hours,
> days, weeks or months? Also, other things in the room could be
> affected
> (e.g. colours could fade, plastics could begin to break down), though
> hopefully the effect will be small for a short exposure.
>
> We have just bought an ozone generator as a last attempt to solve the
> problem of odour from our new carpet. This is a wool carpet and the
> residual
> smell (which irritates Sue's lungs) is probably either a pesticide or
> the
> dark green dye, or both. This generator cost just under £ 200 sterling
> (about $ 300 US). We will try it out and report back to the group on
> whether it is successful on this, but will not have any results for a
> couple
> of weeks as Sue is away at the moment.
>
> Incidentally we did try an air cleaner (air filter) on this and,
> although it
> improved matters, it didn't solve them. It mopped up odours that had
> already offgassed but didn't do anything to stop future offgassing.
> As far
> as I kow you are right - they produce little or no ozone (even the
> ones
> which generate negative ions), so are not a substitute for a true
> ozone
> generator.
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf
> Of Evie
> Sent: 23 June 2007 02:13
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] I need some input and suggestions
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Marc suggested trying ozone about 8 months ago. I asked the pesticide
> hotline people and they did not think it would work. I tried air
> cleaners
> (with ozone and without) and they tend to make the problem worse, not
> better. But I do not think that qualifies as an ozone generator. An
> ozone
> generator is still something I have considered, but I am not sure
> which one
> is best to buy. (And they are pricey.) I was told to rent one from a
> local
> hazmat team, but area fire departments seem not to have a clue what I
> am
> talking about.
>
> I did not try UV lights, tho. That is a thought and I will try that!
> Thanks!
> Nobody has mentioned that and that is an easy try.
>
> Thanks again, Andrew,
> Diane
>
> Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. <mailto:amcafeerr%40nc.rr.com> rr.com>
> wrote:
> I wonder if an Ozone generator will help break down the pesticides.
> There are air cleaners and UV lights that might help too.
> andrew
>
> On Jun 22, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Evie wrote:
>
> > Hi, All,
> >
> > While I am in a posting mood, I would appreciate everyone's opinions
> > as to what they would do and consider in my situation.... I have
> been
> > house hunting for the last 15 months, unsuccessfully. Every house I
> > find that doesn't have a mold or pesticide problem, has an ES
> problem.
> > I have now found a house that we are very interested in and would
> > work great for us except that I react to cell towers outside the
> house
> > and in the bathroom there. I notice that I do not react all over
> > there due to large pine trees which shelter some of the yard.
> >
> > I might add that I am looking for a new location due to being
> > allergic to pesticides in my own home (long story). I do not have an
> > ES problem at my current home--no cell towers, etc, there. HOWEVER,
> > the pesticide exposure has made me react to cell towers and other
> > magnetic fields when I am around them elsewhere. (I had had the ES
> > problem licked by detoxing and avoidance, but ES returned when I was
> > exposed to the pesticides.)
> >
> > I have been in contact with Dr Rea's staff and with the National
> > Pesticide Hotline, etc. They inform me I need to move (and yet it
> has
> > been 15 months and I am STILL HERE! urgggh!) I have managed to get
> > the pesticide problem contained to half of my house, which I no
> longer
> > use. I USUALLY do fairly well in the rest of the house, but cannot
> > use particular appliances which dry up the air and kick up
> pesticides
> > in the good section of house, like the dryer and the air
> conditioner,
> > etc. I am told it could take up to 6 to 10 years for the pesticides
> > to entirely dissipate. Till then, I am on hold here, just waiting it
> > out.
> >
> > Now back to the house with ES... Do you think that the house with
> > ES problems outside and in the bathroom would work for me with
> > addition of more pine trees and shielding methods of various types?
> > Or do you think I am better off in my own home without ES problems
> but
> > with the pesticide issues???? Also, do you think that in time I
> WOULD
> > react more there if I were exposed to the ES on an ongoing basis?
> >
> > Many thanks. All suggestions will be appreciated and considered,
> > Diane
> >
> > paulpjc@aol. <mailto:paulpjc%40aol.com> com wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web
> links.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

pete robinson

Re: Ozone generators (was: I need some input and suggestions)

In reply to this post by evie15422

On 24 Jun 2007, at 22:28, Ian Kemp wrote:

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

lunagirl32002

Re: EM

In reply to this post by Rberge9640

This is the first I am hearing of EM but it sounds really interesting. I recently began
brewing kombucha at home so the fermented products are interesting to me and I like the
ingredients used - especially in the Xtra (EM)® Filtered and SCD ProBiotica. I would love
to hear from people who have taken either of these and had good results?

Also, Vinny Pinto also does work with 'space coherence' according to one ofthe websites
listed below. Has anyone ordered any of his products that supposedly help harmonize EMF
energetics in the home?

Thanks! Julie

--- In [hidden email], Rberge9640@... wrote:

>
> EM works but it takes a long time. Frankly, it is a bit mystical. I did
> not believe many of the claims when I first started using it. A long time for
> me was about a year before I saw significant results in myself, animals,fish
> and plants. If you want to understand EM you need to read one of Dr. Teruo
> Higa's books. My experience indicates it is even more effective than his
> claims.
>
> Some web sites you can learn more from: _http://www.emamerica.com/data/_
> (http://www.emamerica.com/data/) (Check out EM Videos)
>
> _http://www.scdworld.com/_ (http://www.scdworld.com/) (Sells EM Plus)
> _http://www.eminfo.info/moreem1.htm_
> (http://www.eminfo.info/moreem1.htm) (Vinny Pinto Info)
>
> If you go with EM you can forget about using ozone type devices at the same
> time. EM microbes out compete the bad microbes. While ozone kills the good
> and the bad. Vinny pinto has excellent information on the Web and in his
> books. EM America has some good on line videos. SCD World has EM Plus with
> more photosynthetic Microbes which are the heart of EM as they can survive with
> or without oxygen.
>
> There are many variables and EM has to learn to work with your water and
> local bacteria. Individual results may take less or more time.

Marc Martin

Re: Coherent Space devices

Administrator

> Also, Vinny Pinto also does work with 'space coherence' according to one of the websites
> listed below. Has anyone ordered any of his products that supposedly help harmonize EMF
> energetics in the home?

Being moderator of this list, Vinny let me borrow one of his "AUTO-21"
devices for a few months. I then experimented with it at work,
which is the harshest EMF environment that I am regularly exposed to
(computers, florescent lights, wi-fi, cellphones everywhere!).
I found that it was one of the better devices I've tried (and I've
tried dozens), but I did not think that it was any better than
the combination of Quantum Products and Springlife Polarizers
that I already had in place there. Also, Vinny is only selling
handmade "prototypes", these cost more than most commercially
available devices, and more than the combination of devices
that I was already using.

So in the end, I returned the AUTO-21, and did not order anything
else. Since the AUTO-21 was rather bulky and strong for portable
use, I think if I was going to order something, I would have
ordered the smallest model instead.

In the meantime, I have continued to experiment with various
combinations of things at work, and am currently using the
following combination -- 1 Quantum Home, 1 Quantum power
strip, 1 Quantum Byte, and 1 Bioprotect Handy. This
combination seems to work as well or better than anything
else I've tried...

Marc

evie15422

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by PUK

Hi again, Paul,

Husband and I have been discussing how to find such a creature (an EMF surveyor) since before I posted the group asking for suggestions. Is there anywhere online a list of professionals who do this work (in the US--Pa in particular) who are also very knowledgeable about ES??? I am very concernedabout having just anybody come and give us advice and survey who have no idea what ES is about. A survey would not be helpful to me personally unless I can also find someone who is able to interpret that in a way which is meaningful to my situation.

Also, I have only a few days to decide whether or not I am going to buy this house. Once I put a deposit on it, I hope I am armed with some idea ofwhat might have to be done, what might work, and what probably won't. Yes, I plan to have someone survey, but I might have to buy the house and THENhave the house surveyed. By that time, it will be too late to back out.

Your suggestion is of course most ideal, and I am hoping we can do it. If anyone has any idea how to accomplish this quickly, I would be most interested in hearing it.

Thanks again,
Diane
[hidden email] wrote:

In a message dated 6/23/2007 2:00:59 AM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

. I CAN opt to buy full grown pine trees. My current next-door neighbor
raises Christmas trees and he would help me out. Still would be pricey and would
have to be professionally planted, but could probably be done. The house
itself is only half of our planned budget, so we'd have money to spend there. (It
is a fixer upper in a nice neighborhood, but it really doesn't need much
except cosmetic improvements.. I CAN opt to buy full grown pine trees. My
current next-door neighbor raises Christmas trees and he wou
there over time even with trees. I love gardening and so I definitely would
want to go outdoors.

If you want to iron out any EMF problems, it would be better to get a
professional EMF survey and solution done. The trees will offer some deflection/
absorbtion but better to sheild with the correct material especially over
windows. Make sure that you get the earth checked out so that your metal
fixtures are properly earth bonded. This should be included in a good emf
survey/report/solutions. It will be money well spent and cost less than onemature
tree.

Paul UK

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

---------------------------------
Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

PUK

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by evie15422

In a message dated 6/25/2007 4:07:02 PM GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hi again, Paul,

Husband and I have been discussing how to find such a creature (an EMF
surveyor) since before I posted the group asking for suggestions. Is there
anywhere online a list of professionals who do this work (in the US--Pa in
particular) who are also very knowledgeable about ES??? I am very concerned about
having just anybody come and give us advice and survey who have no idea what ES
is about. A survey would not be helpful to me personally unless I can also
find someone who is able to interpret that in a way which is meaningful to my
situation.

Also, I have only a few days to decide whether or not I am going to buy this
house. Once I put a deposit on it, I hope I am armed with some idea of what
might have to be done, what might work, and what probably won't. Yes, I plan
to have someone survey, but I might have to buy the house and THEN have the
house surveyed. By that time, it will be too late to back out.

Your suggestion is of course most ideal, and I am hoping we can do it. If
anyone has any idea how to accomplish this quickly, I would be most interested
in hearing it.

Thanks again,
Diane
_paulpjc@aol.pau_ (mailto:[hidden email]) wrote:

As I am in the UK I cant reccomend anyone from USA. There must be someone
in this list that can advise here. Try Shivana
_Life Energies... protect yourself and your family from the ubiquitous
toxins of electrical pollution_ (http://www.lifeenergies.com/)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

evie15422

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by skrzn

Hi, William,

I did discuss this with the people at the pesticide hotline (using bacteria, etc., not specifically EM). They said it might be helpful for the problem but they did not advise it for inside homes and probably would not be helpful to me personally since I have a history of problems with bacterial and fungal overgrowth. I did go to the EM site to try to check out what wasin the EM products. I did notice that they said not to take these internally. (Not that I intended to!) However, I know from past experience that bacterial and fungal cultures CAN end up in your lungs and digestive tract because they can travel thru air. For that reason, these were not considered for my particular problem. My nutritionist told me that some people even have problems with probiotics over-populating and causing problems and that I would need to be careful in probiotic use, as well. This was a new concept for me. I thought good bugs were a good thing. Turns out that too many good bugs
can be as bad as too many bad ones.

Thanks for your suggestion, tho,
Diane

skrzn <[hidden email]> wrote:
EM should be the answer to this problem, would save you moving toa less friendly
environment.
http://www.scdworld.com/
http://www.emtechnologynetwork.org/~en/_web/activities2.html
It will certainly get rid of mold/fungus, and evidence shows that it neutralizes common
toxins such as pesticides/herbicides.

William

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Marc suggested trying ozone about 8 months ago. I asked the pesticide hotline
people and they did not think it would work. I tried air cleaners (with ozone and without)
and they tend to make the problem worse, not better. But I do not think that qualifies as
an ozone generator. An ozone generator is still something I have considered, but I am
not sure which one is best to buy. (And they are pricey.) I was told to rent one from a
local hazmat team, but area fire departments seem not to have a clue what Iam talking
about.
>
> I did not try UV lights, tho. That is a thought and I will try that! Thanks! Nobody has
mentioned that and that is an easy try.

---------------------------------
Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels
in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

evie15422

Re: I need some input and suggestions

In reply to this post by asurisuk

Hi, Canary,

Thanks for the site. I will read there and see what it says. I have ES alot while out driving in the car. My home is fairly good, ES-wise, but a nightmare otherwise. I only mentioned pesticides, but there is more to why I should move than this.

I do notice that in small valleys and places where there are many trees, and specifically pine trees, or large bodies of water, I am better. I am worst on high open land or where I can visibly see the offending tower. When I first became ES again last year, I was puzzled why I got worse going down into a valley or coming back out. It turned out that the car was shielding me in some areas and when I went into or out of the valleys the frequencies were able to reach me because the car was at an angle. So there seem to be many situations which can positively affect ES. But since I don't live 24/7 in that atmosphere, I am not sure whether I can count on these positive situations to transfer to an environment in which I would live with cell and microwave towers on an ongoing basis.

Also, there are many questions I have when one says trees don't work. How high are they? Are there satelite dishes or other electronics close by? What about the effects of various types of siding? Some say aluminum siding will protect the house, but then does that mean that it will reflect thefrequencies out into your yard and make the yard "hot"??? Same with a fence or metal screening? It doesn't appear that there is much consensus on any of this. It seems very confusing. There doesn't seem to be alot of hard fact out there. But I appreciate all the sharing of experiences of the people here. Still confusing. lol But...

Thanks again, Canary,
Diane

canaryyuk <[hidden email]> wrote:
i'm not sure trees will work based on a post i read earlier on the
website Mast-Victims.org. Look at the "Vortex" case history. One of
the posters says they spent thousands on trees that didn't "do
diddle" as they put it!.

But all in all its very difficult to give advice as only you know
your own body, and whether your problem is primarily MCS or ES. I
remember that lady Cara who was on here seeking advice about buying a
house ages ago to ease her ES husband's symptoms. She went for a
house at the bottom of a hill with a mast on top of it, even though
we all advised her against it, and we had a debate then about
measuring devises versus gut instinct in choosing somewhere to live.
She got the house and the last thing we heard as far as i recall
(tho' i have been a bit out of touch for the past year) she reported
back after a week in the new house that everything was great, and as
far as i know (correct me if i'm wrong) we've not heard from her
since (which i presume must be a good sign??)

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 6/23/2007 2:00:59 AM GMT Daylight Time,
> evie15422@... writes:
>
> . I CAN opt to buy full grown pine trees. My current next-door
neighbor
> raises Christmas trees and he would help me out. Still would be
pricey and would
> have to be professionally planted, but could probably be done. The
house
> itself is only half of our planned budget, so we'd have money to
spend there. (It
> is a fixer upper in a nice neighborhood, but it really doesn't
need much
> except cosmetic improvements.. I CAN opt to buy full grown pine
trees. My
> current next-door neighbor raises Christmas trees and he wou
> there over time even with trees. I love gardening and so I
definitely would
> want to go outdoors.
>
>
>
>
> If you want to iron out any EMF problems, it would be better to get
a
> professional EMF survey and solution done. The trees will offer
some deflection/
> absorbtion but better to sheild with the correct material
especially over
> windows. Make sure that you get the earth checked out so that
your metal
> fixtures are properly earth bonded. This should be included in a
good emf
> survey/report/solutions. It will be money well spent and cost
less than one mature

> tree.
>
> Paul UK
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

---------------------------------
Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

1234