Too smart Too late

P.P.S. about 4G :
i read that Gigahertz upgraded the frequency-ranges of their HF32D, HF35C and HFE35C meters to 2700 Mhz in order to cover the new 4G at 2600 Mhz, so that must be included in the 4G-area.
The Gigahertz meters are better than the Cornets but more expensive and less handy.
Also nice is to measure the newer Wifi- and Dect-frequencies above 5 Ghz, which the Cornet ED65 ( i bought one at radmeters.com ) does as well.
Of course everyone has different preferences, purposes and budgets, so look around, the mentioned meters seem to me easy-to-use, well-priced and reasonable sensitive, but the choice is yours of course.


--- In [hidden email], "ad" <arendgb@...> wrote:

Mnay thanks ad, unfortunately the 4G in UK will include 2.6 Ghz

http://www.telecompaper.com/news/ofcom-publishes-final-results-of-4g-auction--928622

alice

--- In [hidden email], "ad" <arendgb@...> wrote:

Maybe it is one of the more rotten frequencies, although how one responds is also a personal affair, but 2.6 Ghz is measurable by all the HF-meters i mentioned.
800Mhz is more difficult with the Cornets, unless you get a ED-85EX with an extra and better antenna, the Acoustimeter is also an option :
http://www.emfields.org/detectors/acoustimeter.asp
I see that Stewart just sent a link to the same meter.
That website offers also the results of some experimenting with meters, worth checking out.
The Gigahertz HF32D and HF35C will measure only from 800 to 2700 MHz, but that covers all 4G, these are considered reliable and durable meters but you can't put them in your pocket.


--- In [hidden email], "muii20" <mayflower700@...> wrote:

Oh Stewart, thank you for posting this again.I agree! Its the best! I said that last time,and i'm saying it again.I heard you go to meet my friend Tim!
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      Hi Alice,



I'm told my meter review is unmatched on the internet.

http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html#search



Stewart



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> I am looking to buy a meter for the RF, with 4G everywhere in London & most of UK soon.  What meter/s do you guys recommend for RF ?  Which ones  for  EF & magnetic field ? Preferably not expensive ones but can really do the job.

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Well, in some ways it certainly is but keep improving it !
I would be interested for instance in more specific frequencies related comparisons, for instance TETRA at 400 Mhz.
Specifications can be meant BEFORE an included antenna, even if it is an internal one.
The Accoustimeter looks great, but the fact that the same company sells a LF-meter too that seems 3 times overpriced along with a nonsensical explanation makes me a tiny bit suspicious.
If you happen to have a bunch of LF-meters laying around, please review these too ! I have still to make a choice between a new Gigahertz ME and a Spectran NF.
Thanks for your testing so far.


--- In [hidden email], S Andreason <sandreas41@...> wrote:

Thanks a lot for your feedback, i'll delve into it within a few days.
I distinguish between true and false experiences, both might be illusions but there seems to be a fine line between existential impressions and imaginations.
When people are on drugs it is easy to guess how non-sensible their experiences are, with paranormal folks it isn't that clear for me.
Nevertheless my gut tells me that most ghost-hunters, ufo-followers and so forth are simply over-imaginative and lack common sense, they do not observe any astral or other finer realm at all.
And even if they do, their observations are likely to be mixed up with false impressions.
So i prefer to stay away from hoky stuff and tend to question wild theories that weak-minded people may fall for, and that are not likely to help anybody to live wisely at all, rather to the contrary.
Reactions to emf can be measured in the body, so that you feel these does not surprise me, it can very well be ( what i call ) a true experience, just like the sun on ones skin.
A research on this is discussed within this great film that you probably have seen already :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5vb9R0x_0NQ
So you fed my interest in geopathic issues, i'll read a lot about it !






--- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:

Believe what you want to believe.  It is documented in the literature that ufo's have pulled electricity from power lines before.  There is also the time back in England I think back in the 70's when some one, possibly aliens took over the tv sets and someone named Ashtar gave a strange message to people on their tv's telling them to be warned about people or beings, not specific, who would suck their energy.   So far, after everything I've done I've not been able to rid my house of them.  Maybe my mind has been entrained to dirty energy frequencies for so long it will take awhile for it to change back again.  Or maybe I still haven't gotten rid of enough of the emf's.  I've got a second whole house emf filter on the way.  One hooks right up to the breaker box and this one will plug into the dryer outlet which has it's breaker on the opposite side of the breaker box.  I continue to work on that room.

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> Believe what you want to believe.  It is documented in the literature that ufo's have
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Regardless, I think UFO's and Aliens are pretty much off-topic on a group about
electrical sensitivity...  :-)

Marc

Oh yes, "Resonance, Beings of Frequency" is great movie! Lizzie
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      Thanks a lot for your feedback, i'll delve into it within a few days.

I distinguish between true and false experiences, both might be illusions but there seems to be a fine line between existential impressions and imaginations.

When people are on drugs it is easy to guess how non-sensible their experiences are, with paranormal folks it isn't that clear for me.

Nevertheless my gut tells me that most ghost-hunters, ufo-followers and so forth are simply over-imaginative and lack common sense, they do not observe any astral or other finer realm at all.

And even if they do, their observations are likely to be mixed up with false impressions.

So i prefer to stay away from hoky stuff and tend to question wild theories that weak-minded people may fall for, and that are not likely to help anybody to live wisely at all, rather to the contrary.

Reactions to emf can be measured in the body, so that you feel these does not surprise me, it can very well be ( what i call ) a true experience, just like the sun on ones skin.

A research on this is discussed within this great film that you probably have seen already :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5vb9R0x_0NQ

So you fed my interest in geopathic issues, i'll read a lot about it !



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> Interesting story, thanks for sharing that. Well, think about it: without a meter, its hard to "prove" to others that cell phones and wirelessemit radiation. And even WITH a meter, many don't believe this radiation is harmful. Some people are sensitive to wireless, some are sensitive to many different frequencies,and some are sensitive to the energies of what some call: "ghosts/spirits".  Your Shamanist friend is very wise.  There are methods to transmute Geopathic stress. But to my perspective, these methodsmust also include elimating other sources of emfs (IE: bad wiring, high magnetic fields, reducingwireless, ect).Just as an example, if an area, say an appliance that emits alot of dirty electricity, happensto BE in the direct path of Geopathic stress, the geopathic stress willl amplify the dirty electricity.This is my working theory. Can I prove this? Only in that I have FELT the difference in my body,in my mood, in my sleep. That's all the proof I need. However, the below article does say thesame thing. (see: www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html) Also, it is not wise to have one's bed over a place of geopathic stress.  There are many articles/research about this very topic,and as many of ES symptoms are eerily similiar to geopathic stress symptoms,only much more severe, which makes sense, in that geopathic stress lines, are shown to be MOREpowerful, when combined with areas that are heavily polluted by electro pollution.  Here's one, that does prove it, with testing.www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html(Its a long article but well worth the read!) "The global grids, like sha streams, show stronger parallel edge lines when they

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Hi
ad wrote:
> I would be interested for instance in more specific frequencies related comparisons, for instance TETRA at 400 Mhz.
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Do you mean, what different _services_ sound like?
Different services do use different frequencies and do have unique
signatures. That is why I recommend and prefer meters that provide sound
analysis. Much more informative than just a number.
I don't have a large collection of them to share myself, but I provide a
couple links to other sites that have recorded various signatures
separately. The key is _separately_ since I'm not collecting noisy
devices on purpose to measure them. and there are quite a few sounds I
have heard myself, that I don't know exactly what device is broadcasting.
Thus most of my recordings "in the field" are a cacophony (clamor) of
various overlapping sounds.


> Specifications can be meant BEFORE an included antenna, even if it is an internal one.
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Any particular meter or paragraph? Ah, you're suggesting I should
clarify that heading. I believe most of the meters advertise their specs
as the finished product with antenna.
As for the meters that allow antennas to be changed, then yes the
antenna definitely changes the meter's sensitivity and range. Like when
I hook the HyperLog 7060 to the Cornet ED85EXS and the result is super
sensitive and directional, and that has revealed noises I did not know
were there, here. The power density numbers become un-calibrated, and
the specifications no longer match up.


> The Accoustimeter looks great, but the fact that the same company sells a LF-meter too that seems 3 times overpriced along with a nonsensical explanation makes me a tiny bit suspicious.
>  
It seemed to me, after communicating directly with the developer, that
they don't have the financial resources to mass produce on a smaller
component scale as other Big companies seem able to do. Thus it has been
a bit disappointing to be waiting for the next promised version, and
have it not come on the market very fast.
I don't know which nonsensical explanation you have seen.


> If you happen to have a bunch of LF-meters laying around, please review these too !
Well, I do have a couple more I've been sitting on...

> I have still to make a choice between a new Gigahertz ME and a Spectran NF.
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And one of those I do have. :)
The Gigahertz ME model 3030B

Emissions are very low to non-existent. Big plus over the Spectran. If
you've read all my reviews, you'll know I have had a bad experience with
the Spectran. Intolerably noisy. But of course, with only one numeric
display, the ME says nothing about what frequency is being measured.
Charles has spoken highly of the Spectran's capabilities. Apparently he
can tolerate the EMR it puts out.

Back to the ME, the audio mode is just a noise maker, and does not
reflect the actual signal being measured.

In Magnetic mode, the sensitivity specs are very excellent, going down
to 1 nT (0.01 milliGauss), but when comparing with the Dr.GaussMeter,
the analog one, I once again see the analog version finding more subtle
fields around powered devices than the digital meter. As well as missing
the real time audio feedback that the Dr.Gauss meter does have.
But then on the positive side, there is this: In measuring the ambient
fields in an area. I can hold very still, and read between 2-14 nT
inside, and then walk around and get readings 60-300 nT, and of course
various similar numbers near this computer. By comparison, if I walk
around with the Dr.Gauss Meter, it gives no response.
Then walk outside, away from power lines, and the ME reading goes down.
50-150 nT walking, and 2 nT at rest. If I walk 1/4 mile away from the
power line, the ambient magnetic field goes to zero.
Obviously not measuring the earth's static field. That would be a
different meter.
Or walk toward the power line, 200-700 nT walking, and under the power
line 80-100 nT at rest. This is consistent with the Dr.Gauss reading 1 mG.

Or, when I am hunting a metal stake in the ground, the big audio
response from the Dr.Gauss meter is very useful, like a magnetic field
detector. Also waving across a 12V lead-acid battery gives a big
response, picking up the static magnetic field. Repeating this test with
the ME, and yes the numbers go wild, up to 900 nT at the distance and
angle I tested at. Very good, but I miss the audio signature. Yes I keep
repeating that. :D

In Electric field mode, (for this is why I bought it, to hunt ground
current), I did find very useful results, like the 90 V/m difference
between the mains ground and earth ground. Also measuring near AC mains
wiring, up to 1300 V/m at closest range touching an unshielded cord.
I can't freely walk around with this meter in Electric field mode, as it
requires the ground cord plugged in to give a reference to. A portable
metal stake is a work-around to stick in the earth.

I am left with questions, like why the electric field strength is so
much higher in the low frequencies than high frequency RF bands.
Apparently Gigahertz recommends no higher than 10 V/m, whereas I can't
tolerate greater than 0.03 V/m in HF. I'm sure there is more to learn in
this area.



The other meter I did not add to my page, since it is not for measuring
EMR, is the Moditronic Ramey TriField meter, popular with paranormal
hunters.
http://seahorseCorral.org/images/ebay/RameyTriField-300.jpg
Except this meter has 3 modes.
 From it I have learned the earth's magnetic field here does vibrate,
but seems to have no anomalies or deviations. I hoped to see it wiggle
more during a solar storm, when my headache rises due to that kind of
magnetic disturbance, but I have not seen what I was looking for. The
Static field mode is also interesting, but does not reveal anything
abnormal. The RF mode is not sensitive enough to compare with my other
meters. I intend to re-sell it.


As regards the K-2, it says it measures magnetic fields, and starts at
1.5 mG, (1500 nT) Way above the range I look to measure in. If the AC
magnetic field is that strong, then it is already too high. My personal
threshold is at 0.3 mG.
Sorry Aimee, I don't think that meter will be of much use.

Stewart

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http://seahorseCorral.org

Thank you Stewart

--- On Fri, 3/8/13, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: S Andreason <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] LF Meters Was Re: Too smart Too late
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, March 8, 2013, 11:42 AM


Hi
ad wrote:
> I would be interested for instance in more specific frequencies related comparisons, for instance TETRA at 400 Mhz.
>   
Do you mean, what different _services_ sound like?
Different services do use different frequencies and do have unique
signatures. That is why I recommend and prefer meters that provide sound
analysis. Much more informative than just a number.
I don't have a large collection of them to share myself, but I provide a
couple links to other sites that have recorded various signatures
separately. The key is _separately_ since I'm not collecting noisy
devices on purpose to measure them. and there are quite a few sounds I
have heard myself, that I don't know exactly what device is broadcasting.
Thus most of my recordings "in the field" are a cacophony (clamor) of
various overlapping sounds.


> Specifications can be meant BEFORE an included antenna, even if it is an internal one.
>   
Any particular meter or paragraph? Ah, you're suggesting I should
clarify that heading. I believe most of the meters advertise their specs
as the finished product with antenna.
As for the meters that allow antennas to be changed, then yes the
antenna definitely changes the meter's sensitivity and range. Like when
I hook the HyperLog 7060 to the Cornet ED85EXS and the result is super
sensitive and directional, and that has revealed noises I did not know
were there, here. The power density numbers become un-calibrated, and
the specifications no longer match up.


> The Accoustimeter looks great, but the fact that the same company sells a LF-meter too that seems 3 times overpriced along with a nonsensical explanation makes me a tiny bit suspicious.
>   
It seemed to me, after communicating directly with the developer, that
they don't have the financial resources to mass produce on a smaller
component scale as other Big companies seem able to do. Thus it has been
a bit disappointing to be waiting for the next promised version, and
have it not come on the market very fast.
I don't know which nonsensical explanation you have seen.


> If you happen to have a bunch of LF-meters laying around, please review these too !
Well, I do have a couple more I've been sitting on...

> I have still to make a choice between a new Gigahertz ME and a Spectran NF.
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And one of those I do have. :)
The Gigahertz ME model 3030B

Emissions are very low to non-existent. Big plus over the Spectran. If
you've read all my reviews, you'll know I have had a bad experience with
the Spectran. Intolerably noisy. But of course, with only one numeric
display, the ME says nothing about what frequency is being measured.
Charles has spoken highly of the Spectran's capabilities. Apparently he
can tolerate the EMR it puts out.

Back to the ME, the audio mode is just a noise maker, and does not
reflect the actual signal being measured.

In Magnetic mode, the sensitivity specs are very excellent, going down
to 1 nT (0.01 milliGauss), but when comparing with the Dr.GaussMeter,
the analog one, I once again see the analog version finding more subtle
fields around powered devices than the digital meter. As well as missing
the real time audio feedback that the Dr.Gauss meter does have.
But then on the positive side, there is this: In measuring the ambient
fields in an area. I can hold very still, and read between 2-14 nT
inside, and then walk around and get readings 60-300 nT, and of course
various similar numbers near this computer. By comparison, if I walk
around with the Dr.Gauss Meter, it gives no response.
Then walk outside, away from power lines, and the ME reading goes down.
50-150 nT walking, and 2 nT at rest. If I walk 1/4 mile away from the
power line, the ambient magnetic field goes to zero.
Obviously not measuring the earth's static field. That would be a
different meter.
Or walk toward the power line, 200-700 nT walking, and under the power
line 80-100 nT at rest. This is consistent with the Dr.Gauss reading 1 mG.

Or, when I am hunting a metal stake in the ground, the big audio
response from the Dr.Gauss meter is very useful, like a magnetic field
detector. Also waving across a 12V lead-acid battery gives a big
response, picking up the static magnetic field. Repeating this test with
the ME, and yes the numbers go wild, up to 900 nT at the distance and
angle I tested at. Very good, but I miss the audio signature. Yes I keep
repeating that. :D

In Electric field mode, (for this is why I bought it, to hunt ground
current), I did find very useful results, like the 90 V/m difference
between the mains ground and earth ground. Also measuring near AC mains
wiring, up to 1300 V/m at closest range touching an unshielded cord.
I can't freely walk around with this meter in Electric field mode, as it
requires the ground cord plugged in to give a reference to. A portable
metal stake is a work-around to stick in the earth.

I am left with questions, like why the electric field strength is so
much higher in the low frequencies than high frequency RF bands.
Apparently Gigahertz recommends no higher than 10 V/m, whereas I can't
tolerate greater than 0.03 V/m in HF. I'm sure there is more to learn in
this area.



The other meter I did not add to my page, since it is not for measuring
EMR, is the Moditronic Ramey TriField meter, popular with paranormal
hunters.
http://seahorseCorral.org/images/ebay/RameyTriField-300.jpg
Except this meter has 3 modes.
From it I have learned the earth's magnetic field here does vibrate,
but seems to have no anomalies or deviations. I hoped to see it wiggle
more during a solar storm, when my headache rises due to that kind of
magnetic disturbance, but I have not seen what I was looking for. The
Static field mode is also interesting, but does not reveal anything
abnormal. The RF mode is not sensitive enough to compare with my other
meters. I intend to re-sell it.


As regards the K-2, it says it measures magnetic fields, and starts at
1.5 mG, (1500 nT) Way above the range I look to measure in. If the AC
magnetic field is that strong, then it is already too high. My personal
threshold is at 0.3 mG.
Sorry Aimee, I don't think that meter will be of much use.

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I am packing now and on the road soon.
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Yes sir.  Won't happen again.


--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

Awesome siting Lizzie!

Well, done.  Some people need to SEE with their eyes... Sadly scientists claim that humans of today can only SEE about 4% of what there actually is to be seen in the immediate universe.  Our DNA and brains have been shown to be significantly under utilized, yet many of our so-called skeptics and intellectuals are willing to hang every ounce of their being on what so-called science (at the moment) conveys to be seen or "witnessed".  Yet, science is modified every moment and humans still base assumptions on ALL that we CANNOT see- therefore CANNOT know! That's what I personally think about human's perceived limitations.  We are able to "know" things at a sublime level--regardless of what "we" are able to see or believe to be "real."

And then there are those would need to "BELIEVE" the official story no matter how contrived and manipulated it might be.  To hell with what the ANCIENTS thought--- MODERN man has ALL the answers... to his own destruction-- because...EGO is a bitch!

Geo stress is real to all who have the ability to feel it.  Animals feel it. More and more humans will be able to feel it.  Until then, the seers will see, the feelers will feel.  Dowsers are effective and most of the non-scientific natural healing modalities can be effective.  Skeptics may call it placebo effect- but do you think that those healed care about what skeptics think?

I was feeling geo-stress around the time that I first found out about it--  but I totally agree with the perception that geo-stress seems to amplify the frequencies including those carried by human emotions and human emf fields.  It all seems to boost each other and makes for a nasty soup of toxic energies and vibrations. 

I don't personally know that EMF's are stronger than geopathic stress.  I can tolerate a lot of EMF, but when the geo stress is really bad (as it has been over the past few months), sometimes it has been almost debilitating.  Of course, one's own constitution is also significant at those times.  A dowser can tell you the types of geopathic conditions you are dealing with and can quiet the energies for a time allowing for healing of the space and those who occupy (even for the neighbors, somewhat).

There will always be experiences and phenomenon that will mystify and make skeptical certain types of mindsets-- just like some of us see the value in a society wanting to invest in the well being of it's citizens and some think that even the less fortunate should be dragged along.  Quantum mechanics should move us into more possibilities and show people a glimpse into the minds of the great  mystics and seers of all time.  They knew something...here we are still trying to figure it all out.

I'm beyond the trying to figure it all out.  It is here and whether I accept or believe in it, someone out there is running with the knowledge and using it to transform their reality everyday.

Have a great weekend!
Pam



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I distinguish between true and false experiences, both might be illusions but there seems to be a fine line between existential impressions and imaginations.

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Nevertheless my gut tells me that most ghost-hunters, ufo-followers and so forth are simply over-imaginative and lack common sense, they do not observe any astral or other finer realm at all.

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Reactions to emf can be measured in the body, so that you feel these does not surprise me, it can very well be ( what i call ) a true experience, just like the sun on ones skin.

A research on this is discussed within this great film that you probably have seen already :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5vb9R0x_0NQ

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 need. However, the below article does say thesame thing. (see: www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html) Also, it is not wise to have one's bed over a place of geopathic stress.  There are many articles/research about this very topic,and as many of ES symptoms are eerily similiar to geopathic stress symptoms,only much more severe, which makes sense, in that geopathic stress lines, are shown to be MOREpowerful, when combined with areas that are heavily polluted by electro pollution.  Here's one, that does prove it, with testing.www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html(Its a long article but well worth the read!) "The global grids, like sha streams, show stronger parallel edge lines when they

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Awesome right back at ya, Pam! "Until then, the seers will see, the feelers will feel. "
 Sometimes I think all of us Essers are seers. And many just don'trealize this. I just got this new book, called "Earth Radiation", big time seller inEurope. Tons of documented studies on geopathic stress. Its not a new book, but the info is exceptionally well documented.And plays a big role in our world today, with the increased earthquakesand solar flare activities.Wonder how many Essers are living in bad geopathic areas? Lizzie To: [hidden email]
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      Awesome siting Lizzie!



Well, done.  Some people need to SEE with their eyes... Sadly scientists claim that humans of today can only SEE about 4% of what there actually is to be seen in the immediate universe.  Our DNA and brains have been shown to be significantly under utilized, yet many of our so-called skeptics and intellectuals are willing to hang every ounce of their being on what so-called science (at the moment) conveys to be seen or "witnessed".  Yet, science is modified every moment and humans still base assumptions on ALL that we CANNOT see- therefore CANNOT know! That's what I personally think about human's perceived limitations.  We are able to "know" things at a sublime level--regardless of what "we" are able to see or believe to be "real."



And then there are those would need to "BELIEVE" the official story no matter how contrived and manipulated it might be.  To hell with what the ANCIENTS thought--- MODERN man has ALL the answers... to his own destruction-- because...EGO is a bitch!



Geo stress is real to all who have the ability to feel it.  Animals feel it. More and more humans will be able to feel it.  Until then, the seers will see, the feelers will feel.  Dowsers are effective and most of the non-scientific natural healing modalities can be effective.  Skeptics may call it placebo effect- but do you think that those healed care about what skeptics think?



I was feeling geo-stress around the time that I first found out about it--  but I totally agree with the perception that geo-stress seems to amplify the frequencies including those carried by human emotions and human emf fields.  It all seems to boost each other and makes for a nasty soup of toxic energies and vibrations.  



I don't personally know that EMF's are stronger than geopathic stress.  I can tolerate a lot of EMF, but when the geo stress is really bad (as it has been over the past few months), sometimes it has been almost debilitating.  Of course, one's own constitution is also significant at those times.  A dowser can tell you the types of geopathic conditions you are dealing with and can quiet the energies for a time allowing for healing of the space and those who occupy (even for the neighbors, somewhat).



There will always be experiences and phenomenon that will mystify and make skeptical certain types of mindsets-- just like some of us see the value in a society wanting to invest in the well being of it's citizens and some think that even the less fortunate should be dragged along.  Quantum mechanics should move us into more possibilities and show people a glimpse into the minds of the great  mystics and seers of all time.  They knew something...here we are still trying to figure it all out.



I'm beyond the trying to figure it all out.  It is here and whether I accept or believe in it, someone out there is running with the knowledge and using it to transform their reality everyday.



Have a great weekend!

Pam



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Subject: [eSens] Re: Changed to Geopathic stressToo smart Too late

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Thanks a lot for your feedback, i'll delve into it within a few days.



I distinguish between true and false experiences, both might be illusions but there seems to be a fine line between existential impressions and imaginations.



When people are on drugs it is easy to guess how non-sensible their experiences are, with paranormal folks it isn't that clear for me.



Nevertheless my gut tells me that most ghost-hunters, ufo-followers and so forth are simply over-imaginative and lack common sense, they do not observe any astral or other finer realm at all.



And even if they do, their observations are likely to be mixed up with false impressions.



So i prefer to stay away from hoky stuff and tend to question wild theories that weak-minded people may fall for, and that are not likely to help anybody to live wisely at all, rather to the contrary.



Reactions to emf can be measured in the body, so that you feel these does not surprise me, it can very well be ( what i call ) a true experience, just like the sun on ones skin.



A research on this is discussed within this great film that you probably have seen already :



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5vb9R0x_0NQ



So you fed my interest in geopathic issues, i'll read a lot about it !



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> Interesting story, thanks for sharing that. Well, think about it: without a meter, its hard to "prove" to others that cell phones and wirelessemit radiation. And even WITH a meter, many don't believe this radiation is harmful. Some people are sensitive to wireless, some are sensitive to many different frequencies,and some are sensitive to the energies of what some call: "ghosts/spirits".  Your Shamanist friend is very wise.  There are methods to transmute Geopathic stress. But to my perspective, these methodsmust also include elimating other sources of emfs (IE: bad wiring, high magnetic fields, reducingwireless, ect).Just as an example, if an area, say an appliance that emits alot of dirty electricity, happensto BE in the direct path of Geopathic stress, the geopathic stress willl amplify the dirty electricity.This is my working theory. Can I prove this? Only in that I have FELT the difference in my body,in my mood, in my sleep. That's all the proof I

 need. However, the below article does say thesame thing. (see: www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html) Also, it is not wise to have one's bed over a place of geopathic stress.  There are many articles/research about this very topic,and as many of ES symptoms are eerily similiar to geopathic stress symptoms,only much more severe, which makes sense, in that geopathic stress lines, are shown to be MOREpowerful, when combined with areas that are heavily polluted by electro pollution.  Here's one, that does prove it, with testing.www.landandspirit.net/html/body_geopathic_stress.html(Its a long article but well worth the read!) "The global grids, like sha streams, show stronger parallel edge lines when they



> are under stress, for example before an earth-quake, and also if they are



> heavily electro-magnetically polluted.  Research Results (This is just one study, there are many more listed in this article)



> The project involved the



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> 6,943 investigations using 462, 421 individual measurements.



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Lizzie, thanks for the recommendation. The author is Käthe Bachler, and it was originally published in1976 in German. It was translated in 1984. Anyone interested can check it out here: http://books.google.com/books?id=W5UmV8Y0CL4C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

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You are right! That is the book!Wanted this book for awhile.I think there's a definite connnectionbetween ES and Geopathic stress.What do you think? Lizzie
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      Lizzie, thanks for the recommendation. The author is Käthe Bachler, and it was originally published in1976 in German. It was translated in 1984. Anyone interested can check it out here: http://books.google.com/books?id=W5UmV8Y0CL4C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false



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> Awesome right back at ya, Pam! "Until then, the seers will see, the feelers will feel. "

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