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--- In [hidden email], "ruki1996" <ruki1996@...> wrote:
> "The Shield" > http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/ Indeed! As it claims to absorb EMF (not reflect it), and doesn't require grounding... Marc |
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Be aware that this is no good.
It can make the situation even worse. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: ruki1996 To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: [eSens] This is interesting. "The Shield" http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/ ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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why, exactly can it make the situation worse?
________________________________ From: charles <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 15:15 Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. Be aware that this is no good. It can make the situation even worse. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: ruki1996 To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: [eSens] This is interesting. "The Shield" http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/ ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I stopped shielding, if I am not 100% sure of the product.
I also think through shielding my condition became worst. Stefanie --- charles <[hidden email]> schrieb am Di, 23.10.2012: Von: charles <[hidden email]> Betreff: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. An: [hidden email] Datum: Dienstag, 23. Oktober, 2012 16:15 Uhr Be aware that this is no good. It can make the situation even worse. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: ruki1996 To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: [eSens] This is interesting. "The Shield" http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/ ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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If you use for example material which can shield, e.g. iron, it also is reflecting electro magnetic fields. So if you not using the shielding in a correct way the electro magnetic fields could even increase through a reflection to your body.
Stefanie --- Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> schrieb am Di, 23.10.2012: Von: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> Betreff: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. An: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> Datum: Dienstag, 23. Oktober, 2012 16:58 Uhr why, exactly can it make the situation worse? ________________________________ From: charles <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 15:15 Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. Be aware that this is no good. It can make the situation even worse. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: ruki1996 To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: [eSens] This is interesting. "The Shield" http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/ ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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What I know can shield very well is organic matter: earth, flora and
fauna (which includes our body!). They don't reflect. They absorb--very, very well. Now, see how you can apply that in your own situations. marcmartin2 wrote thus at 10:04 PM 23-10-12: >--- In [hidden email], "ruki1996" <ruki1996@...> wrote: > > "The Shield" > > http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/ > >Indeed! As it claims to absorb EMF (not reflect it), and >doesn't require grounding... > >Marc |
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In a message dated 23/10/2012 16:00:38 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: why, exactly can it make the situation worse? ________________________________ From: charles <_charles@milieuziektes.be_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 15:15 Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. Be aware that this is no good. It can make the situation even worse. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: ruki1996 To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: [eSens] This is interesting. "The Shield" _http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/_ (http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/) ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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certainly in a built up residential area you wont find a safe earth for
human health purposes so if you hook up the bedsheet to the mains earth you have just hooked yourself up to a messed up world of dirty power ! puk In a message dated 23/10/2012 16:00:38 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: why, exactly can it make the situation worse? ________________________________ From: charles <_charles@milieuziektes.be_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2012, 15:15 Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. Be aware that this is no good. It can make the situation even worse. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: ruki1996 To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 12:29 PM Subject: [eSens] This is interesting. "The Shield" _http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/_ (http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/) ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hmmm, so far we've seen one criticism of "The Shield" with
no explanation, and two criticisms that don't apply, as this product does not use a ground wire, nor does it say that it reflects EMF. Marc On October 24, Stefanie Toth <[hidden email]> wrote: > If you use for example material which can shield, e.g. iron, > it also is reflecting electro magnetic fields. So if you not using > the shielding in a correct way the electro magnetic fields could > even increase through a reflection to your body. > >> "The Shield" >> http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/ |
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Theere have been a number of reports in Germany by www.baubiologie.net, where people are warned against these covers.
I myself have tested three different makes; all were bad for electrosensitives. They even do raise the body tension. So, when I state that a certain product is no good, one may be sure that I have reasons for such a statement. I have experience over 14 years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. Hmmm, so far we've seen one criticism of "The Shield" with no explanation, and two criticisms that don't apply, as this product does not use a ground wire, nor does it say that it reflects EMF. Marc On October 24, Stefanie Toth <[hidden email]> wrote: > If you use for example material which can shield, e.g. iron, > it also is reflecting electro magnetic fields. So if you not using > the shielding in a correct way the electro magnetic fields could > even increase through a reflection to your body. > >> "The Shield" >> http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/ ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I just wanted to say, that I had bad experiences with shielding products, but I also had good once. I think I am aware in the meantime, there is a growing market regarding electro sensible people and their needs. Therefore, not everything is good. You need to test it. Everyone is different and reacts differently. It is very strange, on the one hand side some people treat you like a crazy if you say that you are electro sensible, others try to make money with you. Fortunately, there are also good people outside there. You just have to find them :-) . That's the challenge. I guess I am just paranoid?
Stefanie --- charles <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi, 24.10.2012: Von: charles <[hidden email]> Betreff: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. An: [hidden email] Datum: Mittwoch, 24. Oktober, 2012 16:10 Uhr Theere have been a number of reports in Germany by www.baubiologie.net, where people are warned against these covers. I myself have tested three different makes; all were bad for electrosensitives. They even do raise the body tension. So, when I state that a certain product is no good, one may be sure that I have reasons for such a statement. I have experience over 14 years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. Hmmm, so far we've seen one criticism of "The Shield" with no explanation, and two criticisms that don't apply, as this product does not use a ground wire, nor does it say that it reflects EMF. Marc On October 24, Stefanie Toth <[hidden email]> wrote: > If you use for example material which can shield, e.g. iron, > it also is reflecting electro magnetic fields. So if you not using > the shielding in a correct way the electro magnetic fields could > even increase through a reflection to your body. > >> "The Shield" >> http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/ ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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And electro sensible people are very sensitive to it, if someone offers them help? They are just happy if someone believes them, and all this companies who offer those products them to believe them, right. They are the good once compared to the mobile companies. So watch out?
One scientist said, there is nothing at the moment that can heal electro sensible people. All research is just at the beginning. The only thing what you can do, is to stay a while out of all electro magnetic fields and then to say how your body reacts, maybe heals again. Based on my own experiences, this statment was mostly right. This is just my personal experience and surely I continue to search for treatment. I mean, that's why I am here in the forum. Thanks, Stefanie --- Stefanie Toth <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi, 24.10.2012: Von: Stefanie Toth <[hidden email]> Betreff: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. An: [hidden email] Datum: Mittwoch, 24. Oktober, 2012 17:13 Uhr I just wanted to say, that I had bad experiences with shielding products, but I also had good once. I think I am aware in the meantime, there is a growing market regarding electro sensible people and their needs. Therefore, not everything is good. You need to test it. Everyone is different and reacts differently. It is very strange, on the one hand side some people treat you like a crazy if you say that you are electro sensible, others try to make money with you. Fortunately, there are also good people outside there. You just have to find them :-) . That's the challenge. I guess I am just paranoid? Stefanie --- charles <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi, 24.10.2012: Von: charles <[hidden email]> Betreff: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. An: [hidden email] Datum: Mittwoch, 24. Oktober, 2012 16:10 Uhr Theere have been a number of reports in Germany by www.baubiologie.net, where people are warned against these covers. I myself have tested three different makes; all were bad for electrosensitives. They even do raise the body tension. So, when I state that a certain product is no good, one may be sure that I have reasons for such a statement. I have experience over 14 years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. Hmmm, so far we've seen one criticism of "The Shield" with no explanation, and two criticisms that don't apply, as this product does not use a ground wire, nor does it say that it reflects EMF. Marc On October 24, Stefanie Toth <[hidden email]> wrote: > If you use for example material which can shield, e.g. iron, > it also is reflecting electro magnetic fields. So if you not using > the shielding in a correct way the electro magnetic fields could > even increase through a reflection to your body. > >> "The Shield" >> http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/ ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On October 24, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Theere have been a number of reports in Germany by www.baubiologie.net, > where people are warned against these covers. Yes, but aren't you talking about the "Earthing" mattress covers, that need to be connected to a ground source? That website describes a different product, "The Shield": -- it goes UNDER the mattress, not over it -- it is NOT connected to a ground source -- it ABSORBS EMF, not redirects it to a ground source -- it contains NO METAL, and it instead made from dielectric ceramics I don't think anyone here has any personal experience with this particular product. http://whywedonotheal.com/the-shield-block-electromagnetic-fields/ Marc |
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Sure ther were covers without any grounding.
The point is, that wrong potential differences occurred. One should not start fantasysing. If such a cover is placed on or under a mattress, how in heavens name could it absorb HF Radiation coming from a horizontal layer? It only can absorb radiation from a DECT or modem from a neighbour who lives underneath you. So, do not believe all those fairy tales. Overhere, some electrosensitives have also fallen in those traps and believed the humbug, but they ALL returned the goods after testing. But everybody is free to believe what he/she wants. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. On October 24, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: > Theere have been a number of reports in Germany by www.baubiologie.net, > where people are warned against these covers. Yes, but aren't you talking about the "Earthing" mattress covers, that need to be connected to a ground source? That website describes a different product, "The Shield": -- it goes UNDER the mattress, not over it -- it is NOT connected to a ground source -- it ABSORBS EMF, not redirects it to a ground source -- it contains NO METAL, and it instead made from dielectric ceramics I don't think anyone here has any personal experience with this particular product. http://whywedonotheal.com/the-shield-block-electromagnetic-fields/ Marc ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On October 24, Stefanie Toth <[hidden email]> wrote:
> One scientist said, there is nothing at the moment that can heal electro sensible people. > All research is just at the beginning. The only thing what you can do, is to stay a while > out of all electro magnetic fields and then to say how your body reacts, maybe heals again. > Based on my own experiences, this statment was mostly right. Really? I've come across many people who have been able to cure themselves of their own ES. People claiming that nothing can be done and that research is just at the beginning are ignorant of these people's experiences. My ES is "mostly gone" these days, although I'm aware that I have more mercury detox to do, and probably more low-level chronic infections to eliminate. Marc |
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And my 25pointsplan does wonders also.
Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. On October 24, Stefanie Toth <[hidden email]> wrote: > One scientist said, there is nothing at the moment that can heal electro sensible people. > All research is just at the beginning. The only thing what you can do, is to stay a while > out of all electro magnetic fields and then to say how your body reacts, maybe heals again. > Based on my own experiences, this statment was mostly right. Really? I've come across many people who have been able to cure themselves of their own ES. People claiming that nothing can be done and that research is just at the beginning are ignorant of these people's experiences. My ES is "mostly gone" these days, although I'm aware that I have more mercury detox to do, and probably more low-level chronic infections to eliminate. Marc ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On October 24, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Sure there were covers without any grounding. Okay, good, I wanted to make sure that everyone was discussing the same type of items. By the way, the manufacturer of this particular EMF-absorbing material is here: http://www.adrprovita.com/ I cannot say one way or another how well these items may or may not work. Marc |
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stefanie,
you might want to change "electro sensible' to 'electro sensitive' - they might understand better and will be more understanding and compassionate. and i am thinking that i am 'electro AWARE' - when we are reeling at the effect of electricity, then we might be SENSITIVE but when we are able to be AWARE of it, then we can make necessary adjustments, such as use protection or move our bodies to another place, etc. i had company last night and so that everyone could use their laptops, we turned on the wifi - and i became more aware of what it feels like in my body, but because i was aware, i was not thrown into a bad place... i knew it was just the wifi... and it was turned off as soon as they left. there is a UK man who helped himself and is helping others by detoxing heavy metals from the body. i know that i got a HUGE dose of heavy metals when i was working at a company that made electronic equipment - memory chips for computers - and that the area of my body that suffered at that time is the same area that suffers now... my ankle and calf... so i am going to focus on clearing out those heavy metals, specifically. his name is Lloyd Burrell and his website is http://www.electricsense.com/ love, patricia On Oct 24, 2012, at 8:13 AM, Stefanie Toth wrote: > I just wanted to say, that I had bad experiences with shielding products, but I also had good once. I think I am aware in the meantime, there is a growing market regarding electro sensible people and their needs. Therefore, not everything is good. You need to test it. Everyone is different and reacts differently. It is very strange, on the one hand side some people treat you like a crazy if you say that you are electro sensible, others try to make money with you. Fortunately, there are also good people outside there. You just have to find them :-) . That's the challenge. I guess I am just paranoid? > Stefanie > > > > --- charles <[hidden email]> schrieb am Mi, 24.10.2012: > > Von: charles <[hidden email]> > Betreff: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. > An: [hidden email] > Datum: Mittwoch, 24. Oktober, 2012 16:10 Uhr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Theere have been a number of reports in Germany by www.baubiologie.net, where people are warned against these covers. > > > > I myself have tested three different makes; all were bad for electrosensitives. > > They even do raise the body tension. > > > > So, when I state that a certain product is no good, one may be sure that I have reasons for such a statement. > > I have experience over 14 years. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Emsisoft > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marc Martin > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 3:59 PM > > Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. > > > > Hmmm, so far we've seen one criticism of "The Shield" with > > no explanation, and two criticisms that don't apply, as this > > product does not use a ground wire, nor does it say that > > it reflects EMF. > > > > Marc > > > > On October 24, Stefanie Toth <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> If you use for example material which can shield, e.g. iron, > >> it also is reflecting electro magnetic fields. So if you not using > >> the shielding in a correct way the electro magnetic fields could > >> even increase through a reflection to your body. > >> > >>> "The Shield" > >>> http://whywedonotheal.com/products-2/ > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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Stefanie, My opinon is that ES is a multi layered condition. It is a combination of: nutritional deficiences, toxic overload and emf exposure (which fits under toxic over load). So the assumptions or statements being made, that there is no cure, is, in my opinion false. My daughter, a teen, was severely ES....it took me two years of usingvarious protocols, nutritional, mineral, detox, shielding, a bed sheet groundingsystem which does NOT plug into outlets, fixing house wiring, eliminating allwireless, using high quality supplements, supporting both thyroid and adrenalglands big time important, addressing any systemic infections, eliminatingwheat/corn/ some dairy....all foods organic..raw veggies,,,balancing the body's PH levels, correcting Reverse Polarity, using Reflexology to openblocked electrical pathways, going to great depths to filter the water,researching all foods/supplements to make sure I wasn't ADDING anyadditional toxins to her system. I think of ES as layers upon layers of health issues that have been previouslygone un recognized. All of these layers have to be addressed. My daughter has gone from a ten being severe to a one.I'm just using the scale of ten to one, to describe her severity, andwhere she is now. As there are few protocals for children, I had to proceed very slowly, often using trial and error, and process of elimination as my guide. All treatments I used are natural, no prescriptions. Essential oilswere vastly helpful in my protocal, as is: Iodine, Magnesium Chloride OIl,and other supplements as well as herbs and high quality anti oxidants, and Omega 3's, for her, in the form of the cleanest Salmon/Tuna I could find. which are checked for purity. Blessings, Lizzie To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 22:49:25 +0200 Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. And my 25pointsplan does wonders also. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Emsisoft ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] This is interesting. On October 24, Stefanie Toth <[hidden email]> wrote: > One scientist said, there is nothing at the moment that can heal electro sensible people. > All research is just at the beginning. The only thing what you can do, is to stay a while > out of all electro magnetic fields and then to say how your body reacts, maybe heals again. > Based on my own experiences, this statment was mostly right. Really? I've come across many people who have been able to cure themselves of their own ES. People claiming that nothing can be done and that research is just at the beginning are ignorant of these people's experiences. My ES is "mostly gone" these days, although I'm aware that I have more mercury detox to do, and probably more low-level chronic infections to eliminate. Marc ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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