Sleeping Better

Greetings,

I had sent an e-mail previously about not sleeping well and asking for help. A cell tower was erected approximately 1/2 mile from our home in April. From April to mid September I struggled with sleeping. I could only get a couple of hours of sleep a night and many nights did not sleep at all. Occasionally I would take an Ambian and sill only be able to sleep 3 hours. With your help and through investigation I tried a couple of things but came to realize that one strong component to my problem was the metal coils in my mattress. As I would lay in bed unable to sleep I would have shooting pains in my body. In mid September we took delivery of a Sleep Comfort Bed by Select Comfort. The Sleep Comfort Beds do not have metal coils, the support is by adjustable air chambers. I had to check with the company because I have latex allergies and there was some off gassing of chemicals for the first week or so, but for the first time in over 4 months I was
sleeping through the night. I still am not sleeping as many hours as I need to (I think you may relate but because my body works so hard fighting my environment, I need to sleep more than the average person) but I have been able to sleep 7-8 hours straight for many nights in a row. And I have not had any more shooting pains when I lay in bed.

I know we all have different physiology and different combinations of environmental stimuli can affect us differently but so far the Sleep Number bed has been an answer to prayer. I wanted to pass this info on in hopes that it might help one of you. Please don't think of this as an info e-mail (like an info commercial).

If you have any questions about the Sleep Number bed I would be happy to help you if possible. For instance I would recommend the bed with a thicker pillow top. I told the sales man we were probably the first customers he has ever had that didn't have back aches! It's nice not having a problem with something. :)

FYI - during the time I was struggling with my sleep I had to travel with my tennis team and I sleep on the very metal roll away bed. I figured I probably wouldn't get any sleep anyway so I volunteered to sleep on the roll away. I slept that night all the way through even on the metal bed because we were not near a cell tower!!

Best of luck,

Jennie

For more information see: sleepnumber.com


Jennie Wassenaar

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What did the metal do in the bed that made you unable to sleep? Loni

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From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: "EMS" <[hidden email]>
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 8:19 PM


 



Greetings,

I had sent an e-mail previously about not sleeping well and asking for help. A cell tower was erected approximately 1/2 mile from our home in April. From April to mid September I struggled with sleeping. I could only get a couple of hours of sleep a night and many nights did not sleep at all. Occasionally I would take an Ambian and sill only be able to sleep 3 hours. With your help and through investigation I tried a couple of things but came to realize that one strong component to my problem was the metal coils in my mattress. As I would lay in bed unable to sleep I would have shooting pains in my body. In mid September we took delivery of a Sleep Comfort Bed by Select Comfort. The Sleep Comfort Beds do not have metal coils, the support isby adjustable air chambers. I had to check with the company because I havelatex allergies and there was some off gassing of chemicals for the first week or so, but for the first time in over 4 months I was
sleeping through the night. I still am not sleeping as many hours as I needto (I think you may relate but because my body works so hard fighting my environment, I need to sleep more than the average person) but I have been able to sleep 7-8 hours straight for many nights in a row. And I have not had any more shooting pains when I lay in bed.

I know we all have different physiology and different combinations of environmental stimuli can affect us differently but so far the Sleep Number bed has been an answer to prayer. I wanted to pass this info on in hopes that it might help one of you. Please don't think of this as an info e-mail (likean info commercial).

If you have any questions about the Sleep Number bed I would be happy to help you if possible. For instance I would recommend the bed with a thicker pillow top. I told the sales man we were probably the first customers he hasever had that didn't have back aches! It's nice not having a problem with something. :)

FYI - during the time I was struggling with my sleep I had to travel with my tennis team and I sleep on the very metal roll away bed. I figured I probably wouldn't get any sleep anyway so I volunteered to sleep on the roll away. I slept that night all the way through even on the metal bed because wewere not near a cell tower!!

Best of luck,

Jennie

For more information see: sleepnumber. com

Jennie Wassenaar

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> What did the metal do in the bed that made you unable to sleep?

Metals and EMFs are bad combination for some folks with electrical
sensitivity. I know that my reactions to computers are worse
if I'm wearing eyeglasses containing metal, or if I'm at work
wearing my ID badge which has a proximity antenna embedded
in it.

Several people here have reported improvements when replacing
their metal-containing bed frames or mattresses with metal-free
alternatives.

Metal acts as an attractor for EMF, so it's better for you to
be away from metals. You may even need to take into consideration
the metal contained in your clothing (support bra? belt buckle?
car keys?) or jewelry.

Marc

The field will be stronger close to the edge of a metal object.
For iron and steel, the magnetic field also is concentrated.

It's not like the fields all over are redirected towards metal,
it's the electric field is near zero inside the metal, so the
field is excluded from there and concentrated just outside.
If the object is 3' in size, and you are 3' away, you won't
see an effect. But a few inches away it's a big difference.

For a long pipe, the length of the pipe only matters if you are
near the end, and it is aligned with the field. Otherwise,
it's an issue only if very close to the pipe, like 1" from a 1" wide pipe.


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Loni,

I think Marc and Bill answered your question better than I can. I have been an athlete since jr. high so I am good at understanding my body. I'm pretty good at figuring out the things that bother me and have learned to trust the instincts of my body. I do not know if I am an extreme case of EMS but I do not eat with metal utensils, wear jewelry, listen to the radio, I watch very little TV, try to sit in the back seat of the vehicle when traveling and had all my amalgams removed from my teeth.

Like I said we are all different but if my previous e-mail helps anyone that would be great.

Take care,

jw


Jennie Wassenaar






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From: Loni <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 12:58:19 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better


What did the metal do in the bed that made you unable to sleep? Loni

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: "EMS" <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 8:19 PM



Greetings,

I had sent an e-mail previously about not sleeping well and asking for help. A cell tower was erected approximately 1/2 mile from our home in April. From April to mid September I struggled with sleeping. I could only get a couple of hours of sleep a night and many nights did not sleep at all. Occasionally I would take an Ambian and sill only be able to sleep 3 hours. With your help and through investigation I tried a couple of things but came to realize that one strong component to my problem was the metal coils in my mattress. As I would lay in bed unable to sleep I would have shooting pains in my body. In mid September we took delivery of a Sleep Comfort Bed by Select Comfort. The Sleep Comfort Beds do not have metal coils, the support is by adjustable air chambers. I had to check with the company because I have latex allergies and there was some off gassing of chemicals for the first week or so, but for the first time in over 4 months I was
sleeping through the night. I still am not sleeping as many hours as I need to (I think you may relate but because my body works so hard fighting my environment, I need to sleep more than the average person) but I have been able to sleep 7-8 hours straight for many nights in a row. And I have not had any more shooting pains when I lay in bed.

I know we all have different physiology and different combinations of environmental stimuli can affect us differently but so far the Sleep Number bed has been an answer to prayer. I wanted to pass this info on in hopes that it might help one of you. Please don't think of this as an info e-mail (like an info commercial).

If you have any questions about the Sleep Number bed I would be happy to help you if possible. For instance I would recommend the bed with a thicker pillow top. I told the sales man we were probably the first customers he has ever had that didn't have back aches! It's nice not having a problem with something. :)

FYI - during the time I was struggling with my sleep I had to travel with my tennis team and I sleep on the very metal roll away bed. I figured I probably wouldn't get any sleep anyway so I volunteered to sleep on the roll away. I slept that night all the way through even on the metal bed because we were not near a cell tower!!

Best of luck,

Jennie

For more information see: sleepnumber. com

Jennie Wassenaar

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You may find that if you are somewhere with low fields you can use
metal utensils? Using a computer is probably tough (I react but it
seems manageable).
Bill

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I have found that the lower grades of metals seem worse. I'm not sure of their composition, maybe you have some insight into that. So restaurant silverware is a definite "no". I have to be judicious with the amount of time I spend on the computer. But being on the Internet (we no longer have wireless Internet) is far worse than just being on the computer. We have a flat screen TV in our bedroom and while I do not watch it I did discover I still needed to have the cables unplugged from the wall (for cable TV, we switched over form satellite) or I would feel uncomfortable. I've discovered low tech is better - we changed all our phones from wireless as well. I wish we could move to a lower field.

Thanks,

jw


Jennie Wassenaar







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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 7:35:55 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better


You may find that if you are somewhere with low fields you can use
metal utensils? Using a computer is probably tough (I react but it
seems manageable).
Bill

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> In mid September we took delivery of a Sleep Comfort Bed by Select
> Comfort. The Sleep Comfort Beds do not have metal coils, the support
> is by adjustable air chambers. I had to check with the company
> because I have latex allergies and there was some off gassing of
> chemicals for the first week or so, but for the first time in over 4
> months I was sleeping through the night.

By the way, thanks for bringing this subject up, Jennie! It reminded me
that I'm *still* sleeping on a mattress with metal inner springs, even
though I've known better for years. So I think we'll start shopping for
something else, but probably not something as elaborate as a sleep
comfort bed -- just a cotton futon or latex/cotton mattress without
inner springs should do fine...

Marc

So is metal more of a conductor of metal? It's confusing because Mu Metal blocks the EMF. Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 12:31 PM


 



The field will be stronger close to the edge of a metal object.
For iron and steel, the magnetic field also is concentrated.

It's not like the fields all over are redirected towards metal,
it's the electric field is near zero inside the metal, so the
field is excluded from there and concentrated just outside.
If the object is 3' in size, and you are 3' away, you won't
see an effect. But a few inches away it's a big difference.

For a long pipe, the length of the pipe only matters if you are
near the end, and it is aligned with the field. Otherwise,
it's an issue only if very close to the pipe, like 1" from a 1" wide pipe.

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Thanks Jennie,
 
I know I shouldn't even be on the computer or watch tv but I'd be twittlingmy thumbs you know. The groups have been my salvation. I guess we all pickour own poison so to speak! lol. Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 4:27 PM


 



Loni,

I think Marc and Bill answered your question better than I can. I have beenan athlete since jr. high so I am good at understanding my body. I'm pretty good at figuring out the things that bother me and have learned to trust the instincts of my body. I do not know if I am an extreme case of EMS but I do not eat with metal utensils, wear jewelry, listen to the radio, I watch very little TV, try to sit in the back seat of the vehicle when travelingand had all my amalgams removed from my teeth.

Like I said we are all different but if my previous e-mail helps anyone that would be great.

Take care,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 12:58:19 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better

What did the metal do in the bed that made you unable to sleep? Loni

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: "EMS" <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 8:19 PM

Greetings,

I had sent an e-mail previously about not sleeping well and asking for help. A cell tower was erected approximately 1/2 mile from our home in April. From April to mid September I struggled with sleeping. I could only get a couple of hours of sleep a night and many nights did not sleep at all. Occasionally I would take an Ambian and sill only be able to sleep 3 hours. With your help and through investigation I tried a couple of things but came to realize that one strong component to my problem was the metal coils in my mattress. As I would lay in bed unable to sleep I would have shooting pains in my body. In mid September we took delivery of a Sleep Comfort Bed by Select Comfort. The Sleep Comfort Beds do not have metal coils, the support isby adjustable air chambers. I had to check with the company because I havelatex allergies and there was some off gassing of chemicals for the first week or so, but for the first time in over 4 months I was
sleeping through the night. I still am not sleeping as many hours as I needto (I think you may relate but because my body works so hard fighting my environment, I need to sleep more than the average person) but I have been able to sleep 7-8 hours straight for many nights in a row. And I have not had any more shooting pains when I lay in bed.

I know we all have different physiology and different combinations of environmental stimuli can affect us differently but so far the Sleep Number bed has been an answer to prayer. I wanted to pass this info on in hopes that it might help one of you. Please don't think of this as an info e-mail (likean info commercial).

If you have any questions about the Sleep Number bed I would be happy to help you if possible. For instance I would recommend the bed with a thicker pillow top. I told the sales man we were probably the first customers he hasever had that didn't have back aches! It's nice not having a problem with something. :)

FYI - during the time I was struggling with my sleep I had to travel with my tennis team and I sleep on the very metal roll away bed. I figured I probably wouldn't get any sleep anyway so I volunteered to sleep on the roll away. I slept that night all the way through even on the metal bed because wewere not near a cell tower!!

Best of luck,

Jennie

For more information see: sleepnumber. com

Jennie Wassenaar

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I've never noticed any reaction using utensils?! Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 4:35 PM


 



You may find that if you are somewhere with low fields you can use
metal utensils? Using a computer is probably tough (I react but it
seems manageable).
Bill

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Thge problem with sleeping and metals is different.

Metal objects in beds can be magnetic.
That is magnetic DC, not AC.

These fields can be in the mattress supports, or in the mattresses iteself,
like the springs.
Very magnetic are those boxsprings.

The problem is, that you lie 8 hours a day on top of thes static magnetic
fields.

Those beds should be replaced with wooden beds and mattresses which do not
contain metal springs.

Especially electrosensibles should be aware of this phenomenon.
They should avoid everything that is magnetic!

A way of testing if the bed is magnetic, is slowly going over the bed in a
straight line with a compass.
North should stay on North and not deviate.

Another way is using a magnetometer, which is quite expensive,

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton


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Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better


So is metal more of a conductor of metal? It's confusing because Mu Metal
blocks the EMF. Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Sleeping Better
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 12:31 PM






The field will be stronger close to the edge of a metal object.
For iron and steel, the magnetic field also is concentrated.

It's not like the fields all over are redirected towards metal,
it's the electric field is near zero inside the metal, so the
field is excluded from there and concentrated just outside.
If the object is 3' in size, and you are 3' away, you won't
see an effect. But a few inches away it's a big difference.

For a long pipe, the length of the pipe only matters if you are
near the end, and it is aligned with the field. Otherwise,
it's an issue only if very close to the pipe, like 1" from a 1" wide pipe.

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> Metal objects in beds can be magnetic.

Presumably, this could be a problem for all metal objects
and people with ES?

Would using a demagnetizer on metal objects be helpful?

Marc

Sure.

I do know an electrosensible, who demagnetizes the tires of his car every 5000 KM.

There are some companies who do have large demagnetize equipment for houses.

Steel beams and the reinforcement bars in concrete can be very magnetic.

I am familiar with a women, who had built a large home, and on the second floor of about 100 m2, she had planned to dance there on the marmor floor, but could not withstand the heavy static magnetic fields.

In another house, the lady could not sit on a certain spot in the kitchen because of heavy magnetic fields.
The house had a large number of aluminium windows and doors, and horizontal window panes.
They all work like antennas for radio waves, which were also present in heavy amounts.
After an electricien had grounded all windows and doors, as well as the metal rain gutters, the amaount of radiowaves inside the house was much less.
Because the electricity mains was also checked and the grounding corrected, the aforementioned magnetic spot in the kitchenfloor was gone also.

Do not underestimate the influence of static magnetic fields.

Be aware that nobody can feel radiation, because we do not have an organ for it.

What happens is, that the body reacts in a special way.
But you do not know on what source exactly.
Elektrosmog exists of:
-electrical AC and DC fields
-magnetic AC and DC fields
-electromagnetic waves
and I have found that there are also some VLF frequencies, which do not seem to be connected to either electrical nor magnetic fields. Their strength are not proportional to the hardly measurable fields.
But electrosensibles can react to them heavily, evan at large distances.

The main culprit with electrosensibility is the quality of the information which is contained in the elektrosmog.
In understanding that, it seems more plausible that some persons do not react to heavy amounts of elektrosmog, while they may react hard to very tiny amounts of other elektrosmog sources.

The dose-response principle does not work for many electrosensibles.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton




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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Metal objects


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Demagnetizing tires makes a difference in AC fields because they
rotate. I suppose dancing over a non-uniform DC field would
create transients, but I would not regard this as a significant AC source--
I suspect in that case it would have more to do with a perception
of rotation of the earth's field, which could cause disorientation?

It would be nice to have a database of what symptoms people have
felt from what sources... might shed some light on the mechanism.

Bill

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In a message dated 05/10/2009 22:38:54 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
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Be aware that nobody can feel radiation, because we do not have an organ
> for it.



Paul UK replies - I find this statement, which I have heard many times
before a little shallow, the largest organ in the body is the SKIN, the skin is
jam packed with all manner of receptors, there are also known to be at
least 50 other senses in the human body over and above the five we are
constantly aware of, the other senses get on with thier tasks without entering the
concious mind. When a number of systems act together then a single organ
may not be requires at this level and so on


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Hello Paul,

I must contradict you here.

It is just this statement that so may electrosensibles are vulnerable to
dispute and discussion.

According to Repacholi so many studies are done in order to prove that
electrosensibles cannot *feel* elektrosmog.
Especially the study of the german dr. Kaul, which is always used to debunk
electrosensibles.
All those studies proved, that the persons could not feel whether the
elektrosmog source was on or off.
Those *scientists* regard the test persons to react like *lamps* which is
certainly not the case.
Most scientists do not have the faintest idea what electrosensibility means;
when it occurs, and with what sources and with what levels of exposure.

Electrosensibles cannot feel radiation.
Everybody should accept that.

Something else is going on, and that is, that the body reacts to radiation.
And that is quite different for each person in a peculiar way.
And thereby also is playing the *timefactor*.

The body may react instantly to f.i. a DECT phone, but hours later to GSM
mobile phone mast.

The reactions may occur in the head, but also in the chest, or stomach or
the legs, depending on the person.

The first stress organ is the liver, followed by the stomach.
So a liver cleansing, like the method of Hulda Clark, may give a relief.

A scientist puts his head under water and says that he does not hear
anything, so there is no sound under water.
WE now know with sophisticated electronic equipment, that there are many
sounds under water.
Hearing is something that is not exclusively done with the ears.
Our whole body can hear, especially frequencies.
Especially low frequencies can penetrate deep inside our body.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



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Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 11:55 AM
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In a message dated 06/10/2009 11:49:26 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Most scientists do not have the faintest idea what electrosensibility
means;
when it occurs, and with what sources and with what levels of exposure.

Electrosensibles cannot feel radiation.
Everybody should accept that.




Paul Uk replies - I think you are playing devils advocat with this
statement then ?


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Hundreds of years ago scientist didn't know what germs were but they were the cause of illness. And there were a variety of degrees of illness or none at all with in the population. I don't think they were able to understand the concept of germs and what they could do until they were scientifically able to prove germs existed. I think the same is true for us now. Scientist don't have the tools to test for electromagnetic sensitivities and those who are effect react differently under different types of electromagnetic energy as Charlies stated. But as Paul said I don't think I feel radiation I only feel the effects of the electromagnetic energy. I wish there was a way to convince the scientist without scientific proof. I have often said it they do not believe they just need to spend a week with me and they would become believers.

jw


Jennie Wassenaar




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In a message dated 06/10/2009 11:49:26 GMT Daylight Time,
charles@milieuziekt es.be writes:

Most scientists do not have the faintest idea what electrosensibility
means;
when it occurs, and with what sources and with what levels of exposure.

Electrosensibles cannot feel radiation.
Everybody should accept that.

Paul Uk replies - I think you are playing devils advocat with this
statement then ?

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Feel or React just a play on words. I use the terminology feel here but maybe I should say react. ????  Loni

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To: [hidden email]
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Hello Paul,

I must contradict you here.

It is just this statement that so may electrosensibles are vulnerable to
dispute and discussion.

According to Repacholi so many studies are done in order to prove that
electrosensibles cannot *feel* elektrosmog.
Especially the study of the german dr. Kaul, which is always used to debunk
electrosensibles.
All those studies proved, that the persons could not feel whether the
elektrosmog source was on or off.
Those *scientists* regard the test persons to react like *lamps* which is
certainly not the case.
Most scientists do not have the faintest idea what electrosensibility means;
when it occurs, and with what sources and with what levels of exposure.

Electrosensibles cannot feel radiation.
Everybody should accept that.

Something else is going on, and that is, that the body reacts to radiation.
And that is quite different for each person in a peculiar way.
And thereby also is playing the *timefactor* .

The body may react instantly to f.i. a DECT phone, but hours later to GSM
mobile phone mast.

The reactions may occur in the head, but also in the chest, or stomach or
the legs, depending on the person.

The first stress organ is the liver, followed by the stomach.
So a liver cleansing, like the method of Hulda Clark, may give a relief.

A scientist puts his head under water and says that he does not hear
anything, so there is no sound under water.
WE now know with sophisticated electronic equipment, that there are many
sounds under water.
Hearing is something that is not exclusively done with the ears.
Our whole body can hear, especially frequencies.
Especially low frequencies can penetrate deep inside our body.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

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