Re: question about shielding fabrics

Hi Cara,
I find some relief from a 4 yard swath of metalic fabric that I bought at WalMart in the sewing section. No sewing involved. I wear it like a burka almost, draping and wrapping it around so that only my eyes are open. I use a headband to keep it in place and tuck the swath from one side into the headband on the other to cover my mouth. I don't have my fillings replaced yet and find I do better with my mouth covered while in front of the computer. I wrap in it to watch TV, too, some days.
It does fray a lot, so a sewer would surely make a hem.
Mariann



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What a great idea. I just upped my fabric order to 4 yards so I can try
this. I like the minimal sewing part. :-)

Cara

--- In [hidden email], mariann7@... wrote:

> I find some relief from a 4 yard swath of metalic fabric... I wear it
like a burka almost, draping and wrapping it around so that only my
eyes are open.  

Kurt, Andrew, Marianne, Straitguy, Shivani, Factsnow, et al--

Thanks for the input about shielding fabrics/hats. Today my
(extremely ES) husband and I took your ideas out for a test drive,
literally. Drove right up to the cell phone tower that sits next to
the apartment we are thinking of renting. Sat there bathing in
radiation in order to test the following "shielding" items: a hat
lined with 10 layers of Velostat; a baseball hat lined with metallic
fabric (from lessemf.com); 4 yards of the same metallic fabric to
use as a protective cloak/toga. Our findings:
1. Velostat hat made ES symptoms worse. Husband immediately took it
off his head, wouldn't wear it again. (Sigh. That hat took me a day
and a half to construct.)
2. Hat lined with metallic fabric was helpful. What had been an
instant, powerful headache (from cell tower) was immediately
eliminated when hat was worn (in certain positions re tower, see
below).
3. Relief from the hat varied by head position in relation to cell
tower. Turn head away from tower = immediate pain. Face tower
directly = no pain. (Subjectively, husband says effect is analogous
to beam of light blocked by an object. As long as you are in shadow
of object = no pain.)
4. Metallic fabric toga was helpful. More layers = more protection.
Husband could feel distinct difference between torso which had four
layers of fabric protection, and arm, which had only two, and leg,
which had none. Four layers of fabric protection felt completely
successful at blocking the radiation from the cell tower.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], mariann7@... wrote:
> I find some relief from a 4 yard swath of metalic fabric

That is very interesting. I myself do not wear a hat that has only velostat in it. I have one that has the pocket for the Q-link battery powered type, and another hat that has velostat with a springlife polarizer in it. I will buy the hat with velostat in it if you want to sell it. I am a terrible sewer and can use another hat. By the way, I just finished one round of ALA as prescribed by Andy Cutler. I did not need any protection devices at all while I was doing the round. After I stopped the symptoms came back to some degree but I can notice a big improvement. I started at 50 mg alpha lipoic acid taken every 2 and a half hours. Used alarm clock to wake me up during the night. This is necessary as when you miss a dose you must stop or redistribution will occur. Two weeks is the max you can do it. I did it for two weeks and stopped. Only side effect was a sore neck that started toward the end of week two and went away one day after stopping the round. I recommend this kind of mercury detox to be tried. I did not take any of the DMSA that they also recommend. I did 50 mg for a few days. Upped it to 100 for a few days and then upped it to 200 mg till the end. This is much higher dosages than they recommend. But I have done so much mercury detox in the past I handled it very easily. None of the other bad side effects I get from other products that are used for mercury detox and chelation either.
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Subject: [eSens] Re: question about shielding fabrics


Kurt, Andrew, Marianne, Straitguy, Shivani, Factsnow, et al--

Thanks for the input about shielding fabrics/hats. Today my
(extremely ES) husband and I took your ideas out for a test drive,
literally. Drove right up to the cell phone tower that sits next to
the apartment we are thinking of renting. Sat there bathing in
radiation in order to test the following "shielding" items: a hat
lined with 10 layers of Velostat; a baseball hat lined with metallic
fabric (from lessemf.com); 4 yards of the same metallic fabric to
use as a protective cloak/toga. Our findings:
1. Velostat hat made ES symptoms worse. Husband immediately took it
off his head, wouldn't wear it again. (Sigh. That hat took me a day
and a half to construct.)
2. Hat lined with metallic fabric was helpful. What had been an
instant, powerful headache (from cell tower) was immediately
eliminated when hat was worn (in certain positions re tower, see
below).
3. Relief from the hat varied by head position in relation to cell
tower. Turn head away from tower = immediate pain. Face tower
directly = no pain. (Subjectively, husband says effect is analogous
to beam of light blocked by an object. As long as you are in shadow
of object = no pain.)
4. Metallic fabric toga was helpful. More layers = more protection.
Husband could feel distinct difference between torso which had four
layers of fabric protection, and arm, which had only two, and leg,
which had none. Four layers of fabric protection felt completely
successful at blocking the radiation from the cell tower.

Cara

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> I find some relief from a 4 yard swath of metalic fabric






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Thanks Straitguy, but you may not want *this* velostat hat -- it isn't
sewn, it's duct-taped together! (I bet I'm a worse sewer than you.)
Also, even though the velostat hat didn't work well against the cell
tower, we are still testing it against other types of EMFs. We suspect
it works better than the metallic fabric hat around computers,
washer/dryers, things like that. Still gathering more data on this,
will keep everyone posted.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "straitguy" <straitguy@...> wrote:
I will buy the hat with velostat in it if you want to sell it. I am a
terrible sewer and can use another hat.  

Clever experiment! This is consistent with my experience with the
LessEMF hat, the orientation to the local cell tower seems to make a lot
of difference. I only wear the hat when I am vertical (not when
reclined).

Have you considered trying the velostat hat on top of the LessEMF hat?
Would be interesting to see which would dominate. Maybe a combo hat
would be more universally protective (or maybe not). Also, have you
tested the velostat hat around computers or household EMF?

--Kurt

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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:09 PM
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Subject: SPAM-LOW: [eSens] Re: question about shielding fabrics

Kurt, Andrew, Marianne, Straitguy, Shivani, Factsnow, et al--

Thanks for the input about shielding fabrics/hats. Today my
(extremely ES) husband and I took your ideas out for a test drive,
literally. Drove right up to the cell phone tower that sits next to
the apartment we are thinking of renting. Sat there bathing in
radiation in order to test the following "shielding" items: a hat
lined with 10 layers of Velostat; a baseball hat lined with metallic
fabric (from lessemf.com); 4 yards of the same metallic fabric to
use as a protective cloak/toga. Our findings:
1. Velostat hat made ES symptoms worse. Husband immediately took it
off his head, wouldn't wear it again. (Sigh. That hat took me a day
and a half to construct.)
2. Hat lined with metallic fabric was helpful. What had been an
instant, powerful headache (from cell tower) was immediately
eliminated when hat was worn (in certain positions re tower, see
below).
3. Relief from the hat varied by head position in relation to cell
tower. Turn head away from tower = immediate pain. Face tower
directly = no pain. (Subjectively, husband says effect is analogous
to beam of light blocked by an object. As long as you are in shadow
of object = no pain.)
4. Metallic fabric toga was helpful. More layers = more protection.
Husband could feel distinct difference between torso which had four
layers of fabric protection, and arm, which had only two, and leg,
which had none. Four layers of fabric protection felt completely
successful at blocking the radiation from the cell tower.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], mariann7@... wrote:
> I find some relief from a 4 yard swath of metalic fabric






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Yes, we're testing the velostat hat and the LessEMF hat around
household EMFs (computers, washer/dryer, dishwasher). Jury is still out
though.

Not sure why the orientation of the LessEMF hat in relation to the cell
tower makes such a difference. In my husband's case, when he turned his
head 90 degrees to the left (his profile to the tower) it drastically
reduced the shielding effect of the hat (about 50 less effective), vs.
squarely facing the tower (completely effective).

Kurt, have you actually experienced reduced shielding effect or even
worsening of symptoms when you wear the hat while reclined? Or do you
avoid wearing it when reclined for theoretical reasons? I'm curious
about both subjective experience and theoretical explanations in this
case.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "Kurt R." <kurt@...> wrote:
>
This is consistent with my experience with the LessEMF hat, the
orientation to the local cell tower seems to make a lot of difference.  
I only wear the hat when I am vertical (not when reclined).  
>  
Also, have you tested the velostat hat around computers or household
EMF?

> By the way, I just finished one round of ALA as prescribed
> by Andy Cutler. I did not need any protection devices at all
> while I was doing the round.

Interesting. I'm curious what brand of ALA you were using
(I don't know if ALA brands matter, or if it is all the same)

Marc

I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs more
than "objective" measures like meters, sometimes. With regard to
radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from refrigerator),
he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower radiation, he
says, feels like a powerful beam of light, directional. If you can find
a way to block the beam (stay in shadow of a shielding material),
you're protected. With household EMFs (at least in our previous home,
where my husband was "cooked" for over 7 years), EMFs felt like they
radiated up from the ground and surrounded him on all sides. It was
like being immersed in hot EMF soup, with nowhere to hide.

Does this match up with anyone else's experience? Very curious because
of the decision we're trying to make about this new apartment. The
inside of the apartment itself, bizarrely enough, *feels* very "cool"
energetically. And yet a cell tower sits practically right across the
street! Outside the building, you can feel the tower's effects unless
you wear protective shielding. My husband says his intuition is to move
into the apartment in spite of the cell tower, which sounds nuts to
both of us.

We are trying to reconcile my husband's subjective sense that the
apartment is "safe" with the fact that the surroundings are clearly NOT
safe. Does anyone have any guesses? Perhaps household EMFs are
unusually low in the apartment (it's new, with good wiring). Still,
that wouldn't explain why the cell radiation doesn't seem to bother us
while we're inside?

Cara

Hello Cara,

I do not think that somebody else does have so many measuring meters in
house.

I have recently reviewed some of ROM Elektronik, in *het bitje* April 2006.
And at the moment I am reviewing some new stuff from Endotronic.
The measuring equipment of Endotronic is more inspired and developed to
imitate the feelings our nerves experience.
The manufacturer is one of the most electrosensibles around, and for many
years.
There are new antennas and extra speakers, with which one may show what
people with Tinnitus experience.
I hope to bring the article in the coming May issue, also in german and
english fashion.

But the most sensitive meter I have, I am married to for more than 40 years.

Although I always try to measure things as best as I can, in order to repeat
the results, humans are more sensitive.

So I can state, that electrosensibles not only feel radiations at very, very
low quantities, hardly measurable, but also over greater distances.

So it is quite good to trust your husband's subjective experience of EMFs .
Take good care of him!

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 16:07
Subject: [eSens] Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs

I don't know whether my experience with the velostat can be comparable to anyone else since i live in an aluminum house. All the shielding I've done may be mitigating the effects of the aluminum siding and therefore not be necessary for someone in a more conventional type of house. But I started by putting it on the ceiling above my sleeping area thinking it would make it easier to sleep. It made a difference in the way that I feel. I'm going simply by how things make me feel here. Most of my house is covered with it now. I also find that I get a better effect with the metallic cloth from walmart put on top of it and grounded to grounding rods. I don't just put up the velostat on the walls all by themselves. It helps but not as good as when it is covered with the metalic cloth and grounded. Maybe that keeps the velostat from reflecting emf from inside the house and sends it to the ground instead. But I'm not Charles and don't have any scientific testing being done here. I hope I didn't cause you to waste any money on velostat.

Straitguy
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Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 8:02 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: question about shielding fabrics (velostat hat)


Thanks Straitguy, but you may not want *this* velostat hat -- it isn't
sewn, it's duct-taped together! (I bet I'm a worse sewer than you.)
Also, even though the velostat hat didn't work well against the cell
tower, we are still testing it against other types of EMFs. We suspect
it works better than the metallic fabric hat around computers,
washer/dryers, things like that. Still gathering more data on this,
will keep everyone posted.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "straitguy" <straitguy@...> wrote:
I will buy the hat with velostat in it if you want to sell it. I am a
terrible sewer and can use another hat.





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Let me say the following:

Normally high frequency shielding does not need to be grounded.
That is for transparent window films, curtains, etc.

But I found, that with a person who had painted his wall against a DECT
phone at his neighbours, who had forgotten to connect the grounding of the
wall, taht the shielding was not sufficient.
After he had made de ground connection properly, the shielding was all
right.

So, it seems better to ground shielding as best as possible.


It is also a fact, that shieldings may adapt electrical fields from the
surroundings. When I hold my VLF Detektor close to a shielding, those
signals are there.
So, for that reason, it also seems better for arranging a proper grounding.
(There are special tapes or plates available)
On the other hand, I do not know if the groundings in the USA are proper.
I mean, 70 % of the currents flow back to the central units, so it may be a
big question is the grounding rod is free of stray currents, and that by
grounding hte shieldings, one gets the stray currents into the shielding!

Be aware, that metal surfaces may shield against high frequencies, but they
also may work like an antenna.
Shieldings as such, may give enormous radio signals, when one comes close to
it with a measuring meter it shows.
So I am not for using metals on the head, because you pick up other unwanted
signals.
Better is using a fabric.

I have a T-shirt, a man's shirt and several caps with fabric inlays.
They did help good.
When I drove over the motorways, I needed the cap.

Nowadays I do not need them anymore.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question about shielding fabrics (velostat hat)

The brand I started off with was from a health food store. It may have been solary. The next two brands I purchased from the WalMart. They sell two or three brands. The 100mg brand is from Spring Valley. The 200 mg brand was Rexall Super Alpha Lipoic Acid. It is not recommended per Andy Cutler's protocols that people start off using the Alpha Lipoic Acid. They believe you should first reduce the body load of mercury with DMSA otherwise redistribution of mercury to the brain will occur if you start off using ALA. But I have been doing mercuy detox for so long now I think there is the possibility that I have reduced my body load significantly and may have most of of left in my brain and spine areas. But I do not know this of course. Just a guess. But I did huge amounts of oral EDTA for a year. I bought a barrel of it from a manufacturer. I then also did huge amounts of juicing of cilantro for another year. And I did several weeks or months of Infra Red Sauna. For the past few months I've been using the detox foot patches. I only felt improvements in my brain. I got none of the headaches that some say are redistribution after I stopped the round. I felt so much better. My motor coordination is better, my eyesight is improved, and my brain is working better.
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> By the way, I just finished one round of ALA as prescribed
> by Andy Cutler. I did not need any protection devices at all
> while I was doing the round.

Interesting. I'm curious what brand of ALA you were using
(I don't know if ALA brands matter, or if it is all the same)

Marc


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Subject: [eSens] Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs



We are trying to reconcile my husband's subjective sense that the
apartment is "safe" with the fact that the surroundings are clearly NOT
safe. Does anyone have any guesses? Perhaps household EMFs are
unusually low in the apartment (it's new, with good wiring). Still,
that wouldn't explain why the cell radiation doesn't seem to bother us
while we're inside?

Cara



You are asking more of a spiritual question here. Sometimes our intuition is our friend and sometimes it is our enemy. There is the "enemy within" that likes to come out of hiding when things aren't going our way and attempts to make things worse.



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Hi Straitguy,

Please don't worry. I appreciate the information about the velostat and
I feel that making the hat was absolutely worth a try. Velostat is
inexpensive, as shielding materials go, plus who knows, the hat may be
helpful around other types of EMFs (like computers) or it may work
better once we modify it by adding a Springlife Polarizer, or attach it
to a grounding rod.

And, like I said before, I am even more interested in how these
protective measures make us feel than I am in measurements taken with
meters and such. So please, don't apologize for reporting your
experiences. I think sharing this kind of information is absolutely
invaluable, even when our individual results sometimes vary. We're
collecting data and forming a better understanding of ES among
ourselves -- and that will serve all of us in the end.

Cara


--- In [hidden email], "straitguy" <straitguy@...> wrote:
I hope I didn't cause you to waste any money on velostat.
>
> Straitguy

Charles, please clarify: do you mean the shielding fabrics you used do
not contain ANY metallic fibers? The only shielding fabrics I have come
across so far contain a fine metallic fiber/mesh and this is apparently
what causes the shielding effect. If there are other types of shielding
fabrics, what is the non-metallic material in the fabric that gives the
protective effect?

Thanks,
Cara

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

So I am not for using metals on the head, because you pick up other
unwanted signals. Better is using a fabric.

I mean the complete metallic materials, like aluminium or other products
like isolation materials painters use.

I have nothing against fabrics with metallic fibers in it, like silver.

There are shielding fabrics which contain carbon, like Smogshield.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 21:55
Subject: [eSens] Re: question about shielding fabrics (velostat hat)

I can understand this dilemma. I have swung to both extremes, at times
trusting only my logic, and at times trusting only my intuition. I have
decided that both are bad advice-givers when looked at alone. Logic
often misses big-picture items, and intuition is often non-specific. In
fact there have been times when my intuition made no sense in the
immediate situation but I found it useful many years later in a similar
situation (I recall the earlier intuition and that helps me work through
a later situation).

So I would assess the intuition and see what the 'message' is. Then I
would take into account the logic of being that close to a microwave
emitter. Then try to act like an executive and take everything into
account and proceed with caution. Can you stay in the apartment for a
trial month, for example?

Here is some random logic to add to the intuition:

1. There is more going on with EMS than just microwaves. There
could be other factors, for example the geomagnetics for that location
may be very good, and the construction of the unit may include metal
that blocks the transmission.
2. Not all towers are the same, some people think that EMS is more
due to 'dirty' signals than the mere presence of signals. That tower
might have a fairly clean signal (not much static, etc.)
3. Your husband's intuition may be saying that a good location is
more about the construction of the unit itself than the ambient
radiation. Maybe that is a message about what to be looking for.
4. The good feeling may be due to a lack of wireless LANs in the
proximity, or some other variable that could be subject to change. So
it might not last.

--Kurt




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To: [hidden email]
Subject: SPAM-LOW: [eSens] Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs

I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs more
than "objective" measures like meters, sometimes. With regard to
radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from refrigerator),
he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower radiation, he
says, feels like a powerful beam of light, directional. If you can find
a way to block the beam (stay in shadow of a shielding material),
you're protected. With household EMFs (at least in our previous home,
where my husband was "cooked" for over 7 years), EMFs felt like they
radiated up from the ground and surrounded him on all sides. It was
like being immersed in hot EMF soup, with nowhere to hide.

Does this match up with anyone else's experience? Very curious because
of the decision we're trying to make about this new apartment. The
inside of the apartment itself, bizarrely enough, *feels* very "cool"
energetically. And yet a cell tower sits practically right across the
street! Outside the building, you can feel the tower's effects unless
you wear protective shielding. My husband says his intuition is to move
into the apartment in spite of the cell tower, which sounds nuts to
both of us.

We are trying to reconcile my husband's subjective sense that the
apartment is "safe" with the fact that the surroundings are clearly NOT
safe. Does anyone have any guesses? Perhaps household EMFs are
unusually low in the apartment (it's new, with good wiring). Still,
that wouldn't explain why the cell radiation doesn't seem to bother us
while we're inside?

Cara







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Thank you for your thoughts, Kurt. They make good sense to me. It's
unfortunate that only time will determine the truth. Most management
prefer that tenants sign a lease but I will try to obtain permission
for a one-month trial.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "Kurt R." <kurt@...> wrote:
 
> So I would assess the intuition and see what the 'message' is.  
Then I
> would take into account the logic of being that close to a
microwave
> emitter. Then try to act like an executive and take everything
into
> account and proceed with caution. Can you stay in the apartment
for a
> trial month, for example?  
>  
> Here is some random logic to add to the intuition:
>  
> 1. There is more going on with EMS than just microwaves. There
> could be other factors, for example the geomagnetics for that
location
> may be very good, and the construction of the unit may include
metal
> that blocks the transmission.
> 2. Not all towers are the same, some people think that EMS is
more
> due to 'dirty' signals than the mere presence of signals. That
tower
> might have a fairly clean signal (not much static, etc.)
> 3. Your husband's intuition may be saying that a good location
is
> more about the construction of the unit itself than the ambient
> radiation. Maybe that is a message about what to be looking for.
> 4. The good feeling may be due to a lack of wireless LANs in the
> proximity, or some other variable that could be subject to
change. So
> it might not last.
>  
> --Kurt
>  

Perhaps your desparation to find a suitable location/apartment is
acting like one of the Bio devices that seem to work for some ESSERS ?
your optimism is acting like a sheild/also sometimes when we look to
buy something our infactuation causes us to view things through rose
tinted glasses. In light of the evidence I presume you have checked
out a meter reading first, a mast outside/opposite the building cant be
a good thing for you if you are full spectrum ES. - MY ADVICE IS DONT
GO THERE ! Once the honey moon period is over and youve lived there
for a while you will regret it. Dont forget about strong potential for
mast sharing/grouping plus traffic density varying throughout the
days/nights.

Sorry for not sounding positive, in they way you might want to hear?


Paul

You cant halt the march of progress, its a bad month for us all !