Re: question about shielding fabrics

> Perhaps your desparation to find a suitable location/apartment is
> acting like one of the Bio devices that seem to work for some ESSERS ?
> your optimism is acting like a sheild

And exactly how many Bio devices have you tried? Not very
many I'd say, if you think they work by optimism...

Marc

Paul, I hear you loud and clear. No apologies necessary, I like to hear
all points of view and for the record I happen to share the exact
concerns you voiced. We'll be visiting the apartment one last time to
take readings with meters *and* our physical senses, and if we have any
qualms after that we will walk away.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "espaules" <espaules@...> wrote:
A mast outside/opposite the building cant be a good thing for you if
you are full spectrum ES. - MY ADVICE IS DONT GO THERE !

I give my husband executive summaries of the discussions here. His
response to the exchange below:

My husband has asked me to walk away from many, many possible homes
because he sensed EMF trouble (that I did not). We rejected the last
home only 3 weeks ago--a family-owned condo that would have been
practically free housing for us. (A huge plus when you are dealing with
chronic illness and feeling "desperate.")

My husband approaches each new ES "remedy" with an open mind and as
much optimism as he can muster, but mostly with a healthy skepticism
(he is a scientist by training). Most ES remedies he eventually rejects
on the basis that they don't produce enough (consistently demonstrable)
results to be worthwhile. ES/MCS/CFS don't make him tend to see
benefits that aren't there; they make him impatient about anything that
wastes his precious energy and time.

None of this invalidates Paul's main point, that we need to guard
against emotions clouding our perception and judgment. But from what I
can see, most of the folks on this list take a critical, scientific
approach to our search for answers. And, speaking for just myself now,
if I believed optimism/emotional energy could be an effective shield
against EMFs, I would be all for it! Haven't figured out a way to do it
yet though. :-)

Cara

-- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps your desparation to find a suitable location/apartment is
> > acting like one of the Bio devices that seem to work for some
ESSERS ?
> > your optimism is acting like a sheild
>
> And exactly how many Bio devices have you tried? Not very
> many I'd say, if you think they work by optimism...
>
> Marc
>

> if I believed optimism/emotional energy could be an effective shield
> against EMFs, I would be all for it! Haven't figured out a way to do it
> yet though. :-)

I'm usually optimistic about any device I purchase. However, with
a few of them, I've gotten terrible reactions almost immediately.
So maybe in reality I'm just a pessimist... :-)

Also, whenever I sit down to use my home computer, I am always
confident that my EMF devices will keep me from having a bad
reaction. However, on several occasions in the past several years,
after some number of minutes have passed, I find myself having
a bad reaction. So I then look around, and realize that I don't
have my devices with me. So evidently *thinking* your devices
are helping you aren't as good as actually having them
there with you...

Marc

Do hope you manage to find somewhere that suits, Cara. It is very difficult
because it seems to be very unpredictable and variable between people. If
we could find a reliable way to predict - even for any individuals - whether
a house will be OK or not, life would be much easier, but at the moment one
has to rely on the senses of the person involved!

With Sue, she stilll finds something is aggravating her ES at our house and
at both our parents' houses. We can't pick up any significant electric,
magnetic or microwave fields at our house but something is disturbing her -
there is some MW radiation at our parents' houses from nearby masts. She
was fine in a remote cottage in Wales last summer (not surprising) and in
woodland (fine during the day, but not on a winter night!). But a friend
lent us their bungalow in Southampton for a try. There is a mast half a
mile away, power lines a quarter of a mile and other houses surrounding, so
it didn't look promising - but she is OK there! It has been a real boost
for us. The only explanations we can think of are that it is a detached
house, in a hollow (so not exposed to the MW from the mast) and there aren't
many electrical appliances around. We really hope something similar happens
for you. I am having to move with my job shortly, so we too will be hoping
and praying that we find a new house which Sue can identify as being OK for
her.

Best wishes, Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Cara
Sent: 28 March 2006 15:06
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs


I give my husband executive summaries of the discussions here. His
response to the exchange below:

My husband has asked me to walk away from many, many possible homes
because he sensed EMF trouble (that I did not). We rejected the last
home only 3 weeks ago--a family-owned condo that would have been
practically free housing for us. (A huge plus when you are dealing with
chronic illness and feeling "desperate.")

My husband approaches each new ES "remedy" with an open mind and as
much optimism as he can muster, but mostly with a healthy skepticism
(he is a scientist by training). Most ES remedies he eventually rejects
on the basis that they don't produce enough (consistently demonstrable)
results to be worthwhile. ES/MCS/CFS don't make him tend to see
benefits that aren't there; they make him impatient about anything that
wastes his precious energy and time.

None of this invalidates Paul's main point, that we need to guard
against emotions clouding our perception and judgment. But from what I
can see, most of the folks on this list take a critical, scientific
approach to our search for answers. And, speaking for just myself now,
if I believed optimism/emotional energy could be an effective shield
against EMFs, I would be all for it! Haven't figured out a way to do it
yet though. :-)

Cara

-- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps your desparation to find a suitable location/apartment is
> > acting like one of the Bio devices that seem to work for some
ESSERS ?
> > your optimism is acting like a sheild
>
> And exactly how many Bio devices have you tried? Not very
> many I'd say, if you think they work by optimism...
>
> Marc
>






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Hi,

Faith can be a shield. I mean faith is foundation and shield. Takes a little time to build, when it is in place it surpasses all devises there are to buy. Saying you are protected does help, I am (ascension) affirmations are powerful ;), takes a little time to work through in that underwater desert of a subconsious mind//or is it unconsious??

When your intuition leads you to tools, places people whatever..go for it as it will guide you on the path out of this webby deserty maze.. Now i have gotten to the point where i do not seem to need any tools, but i have used shielding before and still use tachyon and a clear quartz crystal to get the energy that has caused me this damage out of me. (soon i will be complete)

Intuition, this in answer to q, is not the enemy within, not ever. Then i can go if i had not chosen Love, then i would not have been es and have not been pummeled by astral forces.. The fight was hard, but the tunnel is really a bridge.. It ain't over till it is over. Finding your true self, the way there is pretty hard..This does not mean intuition is an enemy. The inner tuition is all i had when i was underwater (yellow submarine ark appeared to be leaking somewhat)// Overcoming fear is not just a ladida thing. It is what we are meant to do.

The enemy within is the little mind (that says that it cannot be etc, nagnag nag), related to ego..

We need to know ourselves. That is the solution..

Sorry, that this may appear as off topic. Had to send a belated answer there q..and then kept going///

It appears Cara's husband has a strongly developed intuition and it is their choice/ Go for it if you intuit yes (you can always pack up later, maybe fly on away elsewhere)

Love is the key. Our problems are caused by a cloud of fear, by darkness in the mind/ the collective sub or unconsious.. all harm that was done by humans to eachother and the earth/

it was like an arrest: hands up, over your head (this still helps sleeping hands up, praying hands over ears, hands up baby hands up, give Me your heart gimme, gimme)

You have the right to remain silent (in the case of the final judgement it is no thinking. Silent mind helps a lot to fight that voice of noise.) anything you say (think) can and will be used against u in a court of law/

You have the right to an attorny (choose Jesus, in know you may not see it yet, just a little tip for later) if you do not have one one will be appointed to you (oh lordy, that guy was really eeehhrr)

Forget the rest sure it applies as well


May Love surround you and protect you always/

Bless your hearts,

Ellen

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--- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@...> wrote:
>
> Paul, I hear you loud and clear. No apologies necessary,



I was not slagging off the power of some Bio devices, many of them
seem to work by boosting the bodies natural energy, our minds can do
this all to well both positive/negative, what I mean to say is that
while the adrenaline et al is going this can sheild us, but it does
not last. So I am glad that you will use a meter as well as your
combined senses. I for one am more sensitive than say the
electrosmog detector, but it is a necessary part of my armoury - I
aggree with the dillema re some places, I went to our cabin in Norway
last year (no elec there) and felt dreadful espescially late evening,
even though this place is v.remote there is a mast withing a km or 2,
cant wait to bring the esmog with me this year ! I was able to
demonstrate my sensitivity when driving through the mountains I
exclaimed that I felt zapped all of a sudden, hey presto a mast
appears as we come over the hill ! you cant escape the blighters !

Certainly with regard to my parents house I have had to trust my
feelings as at first without a meter of any sort I was feeling really
awful there, will not spend more than top max 1-2 hours there if I
have too, its like torture. Of course I had no evidence until I got
the esmog detector and found several low signals in the garden and
over the road not more than 7m from the boundary a very loud signal
but bizaarly enough not in the house, all the same I know that the
place is being strangley irradiated. There is a v.large mast with
severalcompanies sharing - this dood is evil I guess they have got
the right recipe of chaotic signals on this one.

Its a pity that we cant invent some form of dutch elm disease to kill
all the masts ! Can but fantisise ?


Ultimately, I suppose buying anything that is likely to impact on
your ES is always best brought on a trial basis, but I understand
your problem with the lease.  


regards


PAUL

Hi, some random thoughts in reply. I too, have been looking for the
ideal home, the one that will offer me respite and - perish the
thought - recovery even. But boy is it tough! There are so many
boxes that need to be ticked, that it seems an insurmountable
problem. And there appear to be no short cuts.  

maybe we have to accept that, like gypsies, we will be constantly on
the move, for a good while at least. I increasingly think the only
way is to buy somewhere (an option not open to me) away from masts
and then spend shed loads more cash adapting it from the electrical
point of view.

I've just upped sticks and moved from an urban area where I was
surrounded by strong EMR from phone masts, DECTS, etc...to a detached
place where there are zero masts, so at least i can rule that factor
out from my investigations for the time being. But unfortunately i
have stumbled into the whole area of power transformers and overhead
wires which are almost as bad.  

Your husband's description of how he feels the different types of
energy is spot on. Stuff from towers, Dects, satellite dishes, tv
aerials, car locking systems all have a distinctly DIRECTIONAL feel
and even before i know the source, i know that its there because i
feel an urge to go under the dreaded silver plated net. If i
instinctively feel the net will help, then i know its "airborne" as i
describe it, though i know thats not strictly accurate.

In my new place i have no desire to go under the net and am sleeping
without it for the first time in 3 years. Hurrah! But your husband
is dead right about the EMF "soup" that emanates from strong
electrical fields from wiring etc..  

(I have stayed in a few places in the same mast free district and
have been able to tolerate all the electricity being left on
absolutely fine, so I KNOW that i can tolerate a 'normal' amount.)  

But the place i have taken on a permanent basis - sadly i was not
able to live permanently in the places where i truly did find peace -
has got a thick EMF SOUP. I'm not getting any surging in my guts, or
joint throbs so it must be borderline, but its definitely there, I
can feel the difference when I get about 100 metres from the house.  
It makes me heavy headed and speech slurring, poor concentration,
clumsinness and is upsetting sleep.

The thing is that i felt it as soon as i walked into the house for
the viewing, but i was absolutely desperate by that stage and simply
had to take it. I hoped i could just shut the power down when i
moved in. But even when i switched all the power off the same
heavinness was there. Bummer!

I had also looked at another place , right near town, which had a TV
mast in clear view but a few miles away. Now when i viewed this
place i felt NOTHING, by which i mean, it felt good. My head felt
clear and lively as i spoke to the estate agent - it felt cool. Yet
the mast was there in clear view,it even registered faintly on my
Acom, and I KNOW FOR A FACT that i cannot tolerate ANY stuff from
masts.  

Sorry, its taking me ages to get to the point. My fear is that your
husband might not feel the effects of the mast until night-time, when
he might find it impossible to sleep. The mast might also take a
while to accumulate. My friend Rachel made a good point that the
further the source of the EMFs the more difficult it is to detect.  
If you have not been subjected to full on masts, you might not be so
sensitive. (since being away from them, it now takes me a good while
to know if they are there).

This is the biggest nightmare with finding accommodation, ie that we
won't know what the place is like until after the first night,
ideally it would be good to give it 2 weeks.  

I really hope you manage to get the place for a month, that would be
great. If not, any chance of camping out there for a couple of
nights?!

You're right about the fact that stuff from masts etc can be screened
by material, etc.. but personally i never want to see another piece
of silver plated screening material in my life!! But then i know
that wanting something isn't getting. I see the future as being a
matter of swapping the sources of emr around, but never being able to
completely rid myself of there effects.

ramble over.

good luck, and remember your research is invaluable to us all!

best wishes
jane

--- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@...> wrote:
>
> I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs
more
> than "objective" measures like meters, sometimes. With regard to
> radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from
refrigerator),
> he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower radiation,
he
> says, feels like a powerful beam of light, directional. If you can
find
> a way to block the beam (stay in shadow of a shielding material),
> you're protected. With household EMFs (at least in our previous
home,
> where my husband was "cooked" for over 7 years), EMFs felt like
they
> radiated up from the ground and surrounded him on all sides. It was
> like being immersed in hot EMF soup, with nowhere to hide.
>
> Does this match up with anyone else's experience? Very curious
because
> of the decision we're trying to make about this new apartment. The
> inside of the apartment itself, bizarrely enough, *feels*
very "cool"
> energetically. And yet a cell tower sits practically right across
the
> street! Outside the building, you can feel the tower's effects
unless
> you wear protective shielding. My husband says his intuition is to
move
> into the apartment in spite of the cell tower, which sounds nuts to
> both of us.
>
> We are trying to reconcile my husband's subjective sense that the
> apartment is "safe" with the fact that the surroundings are clearly
NOT
> safe. Does anyone have any guesses? Perhaps household EMFs are
> unusually low in the apartment (it's new, with good wiring). Still,
> that wouldn't explain why the cell radiation doesn't seem to bother
us
> while we're inside?
>
> Cara
>

Just a question. when you say your husband has problems with satellite
dishes, do you mean the ones in the sky or the small ones on your roof pulling in
the TV signals?I thought the small roof type only received and not
transmitted signals therefore not emitting EMF.

JIM

In a message dated 3/31/06 11:12:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hi, some random thoughts in reply. I too, have been looking for the
ideal home, the one that will offer me respite and - perish the
thought - recovery even. But boy is it tough! There are so many
boxes that need to be ticked, that it seems an insurmountable
problem. And there appear to be no short cuts.

maybe we have to accept that, like gypsies, we will be constantly on
the move, for a good while at least. I increasingly think the only
way is to buy somewhere (an option not open to me) away from masts
and then spend shed loads more cash adapting it from the electrical
point of view.

I've just upped sticks and moved from an urban area where I was
surrounded by strong EMR from phone masts, DECTS, etc...to a detached
place where there are zero masts, so at least i can rule that factor
out from my investigations for the time being. But unfortunately i
have stumbled into the whole area of power transformers and overhead
wires which are almost as bad.

Your husband's description of how he feels the different types of
energy is spot on. Stuff from towers, Dects, satellite dishes, tv
aerials, car locking systems all have a distinctly DIRECTIONAL feel
and even before i know the source, i know that its there because i
feel an urge to go under the dreaded silver plated net. If i
instinctively feel the net will help, then i know its "airborne" as i
describe it, though i know thats not strictly accurate.

In my new place i have no desire to go under the net and am sleeping
without it for the first time in 3 years. Hurrah! But your husband
is dead right about the EMF "soup" that emanates from strong
electrical fields from wiring etc..

(I have stayed in a few places in the same mast free district and
have been able to tolerate all the electricity being left on
absolutely fine, so I KNOW that i can tolerate a 'normal' amount.)

But the place i have taken on a permanent basis - sadly i was not
able to live permanently in the places where i truly did find peace -
has got a thick EMF SOUP. I'm not getting any surging in my guts, or
joint throbs so it must be borderline, but its definitely there, I
can feel the difference when I get about 100 metres from the house.
It makes me heavy headed and speech slurring, poor concentration,
clumsinness and is upsetting sleep.

The thing is that i felt it as soon as i walked into the house for
the viewing, but i was absolutely desperate by that stage and simply
had to take it. I hoped i could just shut the power down when i
moved in. But even when i switched all the power off the same
heavinness was there. Bummer!

I had also looked at another place , right near town, which had a TV
mast in clear view but a few miles away. Now when i viewed this
place i felt NOTHING, by which i mean, it felt good. My head felt
clear and lively as i spoke to the estate agent - it felt cool. Yet
the mast was there in clear view,it even registered faintly on my
Acom, and I KNOW FOR A FACT that i cannot tolerate ANY stuff from
masts.

Sorry, its taking me ages to get to the point. My fear is that your
husband might not feel the effects of the mast until night-time, when
he might find it impossible to sleep. The mast might also take a
while to accumulate. My friend Rachel made a good point that the
further the source of the EMFs the more difficult it is to detect.
If you have not been subjected to full on masts, you might not be so
sensitive. (since being away from them, it now takes me a good while
to know if they are there).

This is the biggest nightmare with finding accommodation, ie that we
won't know what the place is like until after the first night,
ideally it would be good to give it 2 weeks.

I really hope you manage to get the place for a month, that would be
great. If not, any chance of camping out there for a couple of
nights?!

You're right about the fact that stuff from masts etc can be screened
by material, etc.. but personally i never want to see another piece
of silver plated screening material in my life!! But then i know
that wanting something isn't getting. I see the future as being a
matter of swapping the sources of emr around, but never being able to
completely rid myself of there effects.

ramble over.

good luck, and remember your research is invaluable to us all!

best wishes
jane

--- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@...> wrote:
>
> I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs
more
> than "objective" measures like meters, sometimes. With regard to
> radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from
refrigerator),
> he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower radiation,
he






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Jim, not sure whether your question is addressed to Jane (canaryuk)
or to me. Jane is the one who is sensitive to satellite dishes,
which she says to her feels similar to cell towers ("directional").
My husband is definitely sensitive to cell towers, but we do not yet
know whether he is sensitive to satellite dishes. (He's sensitive to
plenty enough other things though!)

Cara

--- In [hidden email], jim65m@... wrote:
>
>  
> Just a question. when you say your husband has problems with
satellite  
> dishes, do you mean the ones in the sky or the small ones on your
roof pulling in
> the TV signals?I thought the small roof type only received and
not  
> transmitted signals therefore not emitting EMF.
>  
> JIM
>  
> In a message dated 3/31/06 11:12:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
> canary65@... writes:
>
> Your husband's description of how he feels the different types of
> energy is spot on. Stuff from towers, Dects, satellite dishes,
tv
> aerials, car locking systems all have a distinctly DIRECTIONAL  
feel
>
> jane
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@> wrote:
> >
> > I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs
> more
> > than "objective" measures like meters, sometimes. With regard
to
> > radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from
> refrigerator),
> > he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower
radiation,
> he
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Jane, thanks for your input and even more for the sympathy. Means a
lot from someone who clearly understands what we're trying to do and
how it feels. A question and a few comments:

1. When you found the one house that felt energetically "cool" in
spite of having a mast nearby, you chose NOT to live there, correct?
Did you make that choice because you could SEE the mast, even if you
weren't (as far as you could feel at the time) actually bothered by
it? Or, did you later confirm (perhaps with additional visits?) that
the mast DID bother you?

2. It's nice to have someone else confirm my husband's experience of
the "directional" nature of the cell tower energy, because we have
decided to gamble the otherwise "cool" apartment with the tower
nearby, in the hopes that the tower--if it does end up bothering us
inside the apartment--will be relatively simple to mitigate. I have
no problem putting up metallic fabric shielding all over the walls
if that's what it takes. The EMF "soup" where we used to live, on
the other hand, seemed impossible to contain or deflect.

Anyway, Jane, it seems like our quest is identical but we have
chosen very difference approaches to the same problem, for now. You
are now living free from masts but unfortunately have to deal with
thick EMF soup inside your home. We will be moving right next door
to a mast, but will (we think) have fairly little EMF soup to deal
with inside the building. Talk about valuable research -- comparing
our experiences over time should be very interesting indeed.

What a crazy adventure!

~Cara

--- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@...> wrote:

<snip>
But the place i have taken on a permanent basis - sadly i was not
> able to live permanently in the places where i truly did find
peace -
> has got a thick EMF SOUP. I'm not getting any surging in my guts,
or
> joint throbs so it must be borderline, but its definitely there, I
> can feel the difference when I get about 100 metres from the
house.  
> It makes me heavy headed and speech slurring, poor concentration,
> clumsinness and is upsetting sleep.

<snip>
> I had also looked at another place , right near town, which had a
TV
> mast in clear view but a few miles away. Now when i viewed this
> place i felt NOTHING, by which i mean, it felt good. My head felt
> clear and lively as i spoke to the estate agent - it felt cool.  
Yet
> the mast was there in clear view,it even registered faintly on my
> Acom, and I KNOW FOR A FACT that i cannot tolerate ANY stuff from
> masts.

<snip>
> You're right about the fact that stuff from masts etc can be
screened
> by material, etc.. but personally i never want to see another
piece
> of silver plated screening material in my life!! >
>
> jane
>

I have about eight satellite dishes in my yard. I can get some pretty serious ES symptoms when I spend a lot of time touching the equipment with tools and making adjustments, etc. I've never noticed any bad symptoms without touching them though.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cara
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 7:41 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs


Jim, not sure whether your question is addressed to Jane (canaryuk)
or to me. Jane is the one who is sensitive to satellite dishes,
which she says to her feels similar to cell towers ("directional").
My husband is definitely sensitive to cell towers, but we do not yet
know whether he is sensitive to satellite dishes. (He's sensitive to
plenty enough other things though!)

Cara

--- In [hidden email], jim65m@... wrote:
>
>
> Just a question. when you say your husband has problems with
satellite
> dishes, do you mean the ones in the sky or the small ones on your
roof pulling in
> the TV signals?I thought the small roof type only received and
not
> transmitted signals therefore not emitting EMF.
>
> JIM
>
> In a message dated 3/31/06 11:12:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> canary65@... writes:
>
> Your husband's description of how he feels the different types of
> energy is spot on. Stuff from towers, Dects, satellite dishes,
tv
> aerials, car locking systems all have a distinctly DIRECTIONAL
feel
>
> jane
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@> wrote:
> >
> > I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs
> more
> > than "objective" measures like meters, sometimes. With regard
to
> > radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from
> refrigerator),
> > he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower
radiation,
> he
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






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After using several shielding materials (velostat hat, LessEMF cap,
metallic fabric cloak) for several weeks, my husband reports that, for
him:
1. None of these items shields effectively against household EMFs aka
EMF "soup" (computer, washer/dryer, dishwasher)
2. LessEMF cap and cloak made of metallic fabric (preferably several
layers thick) are still effective against cell towers

Given that we're unlikely to find a home with a perfectly "cool"
energy environment, we now suspect that for ease of shield-ability we
may be better off with a low-EMF household in a cell tower vicinity
than vice versa. Note that unlike others on this list we have not had
great success with EMF protection devices such as Springlife
Polarizers, Q-Link pendants, etc. We do like the Quantum Powerstrips
and Stetzer filters for addressing household EMFs, but these have not
been a total solution for us.

Cara

I am with you on your findings. The next thing that helped me was
checking the magnetic fields when I would turn lights, plugged in
things to outlets, etc., to see if the wiring was done right. I have
found all kinds of neutral wires that were incorrectly tied together in
my house. I had to train an electrician by putting him in touch with
Charles Keen at
[hidden email]
and Charles taught him how to correct the magnetic fields.
Appliances are a different matter up close. But, if they or the Stetzer
filters kick up a field along the wire going down the hall or up the
wall, that is a sign that the neutrals are incorrectly tied.

Also, the breaker switches are often placed A, B, A, B to balance the
phase coming in the house.
If there are too many appliances or switches on either the A or B
phase, there will be an imbalance and subsequent magnetic fields kicked
up. The switches need to be balanced with a similar amount of A and B
breakers.
I am no expert in this and may be incorrectly communicating the nuances.
If you are settling on a specific house or apartment, I recommend
getting an expert in there to make sure the wiring is optimal.
with love,
Andrew
On Apr 7, 2006, at 7:53 AM, Cara wrote:

Cara writes:
> We do like the Quantum Powerstrips and Stetzer filters for
> addressing household EMFs, but these have not been a total
> solution for us.

So how many of these did you end up buying/using where you
are living? Is it a case of "more is better", or have
you found an optimum amount?

Marc

Hi Marc,

Not more is better, you do hit a threshold or "optimal" number of
filters and gain nothing by adding more--but it seems that optimal
count will always vary by location. Size of the structure, number of
outlets, age/quality of wiring, number of neighbors using power in
same building, etc. etc. Last place we lived was awful. After a lot
of trial and error we ended up with, I think, 36 Stetzer filters and
6 or 7 Quantum Powerstrips in the 900 sq foot apartment and although
they helped, they didn't resolve the problem enough to allow us to
continue living there. (We know they helped because when we packed
up all the filters a week before our move, we really felt the
difference--ouch.)

We now feel that filters address part of the problem but they cannot
make a *truly* bad EMF situation tolerable. However, we're confident
they can improve an average situation significantly (make the space
feel "cooler") and we'll be using them as part of our solution
wherever we live. The place we're moving to already feels pretty
cool energetically, without any filters installed, but we plan to
install 30-40 Stetzer filters anyway. It's a newer structure with
apparently good wiring but it's also larger than our last apartment,
with more outlets.

Cara

PS, Just for the record our Stetzer meter did give us significantly
lower readings in the new apartment vs the old. Same story with
magnetic readings. This confirms my husband's subjective
comparisons. The more we learn about ES, the more I agree with
Charles -- if you live with an extremely ES person, you learn to
trust him or her more than any meter. More sensitive, more reliable,
easier to operate.  
:-)

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

> So how many of these did you end up buying/using where you
> are living? Is it a case of "more is better", or have
> you found an optimum amount?

Hi jim, sorry for the delay in replying. I do not have computer
connection at my house and have to use the library when i can.

Re: satellite dishes

I know very little about satellite dishes, except that they seem to
affect me. (I think that possibly TV aerials do too when they are
close by).  

I found in two different places i've stayed that when there is an
operational satellite dish, I feel the 'rays' and have to sleep under
my net at night, (which is the time when i am loads more sensitive).  

It sounds crazy, but even when I unplug the wire from the receiver
box and switch the box off i still get effects. I don't understand
it, all i know is that i feel it.  

I stayed in 2 places in an area away from all masts, both with
virtually identical electrical setups, and only a few hundred metres
away from each other. In one i felt complete peace, in the other I
had to sleep under my net. Both had a satellite dish on the roof,
but only one of them had a dish that was operational and could be
used, which is the one where i could not sleep. I know it makes very
little sense but those are the facts!!

Hi Cara, thanks for the reply and sorry for the long delay.

So it sounds like you have decided upon the 'cool' house below the
mast. I think its probably as good-a decision as any. Like i said
before, i don't think that there are any shortcuts finding somewhere
to live, it seems to boil down to trial and error, with all of us
having to muddle along with any errors of judgement we might have
made. And trying not to be too hard on ourselves in the process!  
Hopefully we'll all get there in the end! I hope it works out.

I did not take the 'cool' feeling house with the mast nearby as i did
not want to chance it. I ended up taking the 'hot' feeling house
away from the masts!! Ahh well, at least i'm learning all about the
other side of ES: having become an expert in masts, i am now learning
all about overhead cables, power transformers, etc.. and how they
effect me,

which is....not TOO bad in the daytime, but definitely not as good as
I KNOW i can feel. I am definitely sluggish, notice it particularly
when i have to interact with other ppl which involves alot of
energy. But when on my own i can concentrate ok on reading, think a
bit and i can also listen to and enjoy music again alot more. I get
used to feeling a bit crap. I notice it most when i come back from a
walk in the hills which feel incredibly pure and as soon as i get
about 100 yards from all the electrical gear near my house (i'm
reluctant to go into precise details, cos of what ppl might tell me
about it!) i feel the heaviness return, no pain or anything, just a
removal of lightness of energy and thought.

It is however affecting my sleep, which is pretty poor, and i wake up
alot with a feeling of heating deep inside my legs and lower spine.
At the moment it seems to be more discomfort than pain. Also having
problems getting into a deep sleep, my mind will keep repeating the
same refrain from a song or something, like a scratched record where
the needle keeps flicking back and can't move on. My mind can't get
a grip on sleep.

So not ideal! Liveable with, but not progressable from, treading
water.

I meant to say in my previous mail that when i was looking for
temporary accommodation i looked at a holiday let that was, like your
new place(?), directly underneath a small mast which was on a moutain
top. The place was directly underneath and so shielded by the
mountain rock above it. I tried it with my Acom which was silent as
long as i was right next to the house. It sounded as soon as i
stepped a metre or two away from the house. But as we all know, most
of us are more sensitive than our Acoms, so i'm pretty certain there
would have been 'rays' reaching the house. I was tempted, thought it
might actually be very ironic to live directly under a mast, but once
again bottled out.

If there are 'rays' reaching 'your' house under the mast one would
hope that they are incredibly weak and therefore unable to penetrate
walls, and that possibly simply screening the windows would be
sufficient.
So are you living there? Hows it going?
 
About the EMF soup you previously lived in. Was that the result of
overhead cables/transformers near the house, or 'simply' because of
warped wiring inside the house?

best wishes,
jane


--- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@...> wrote:
>
> Jane, thanks for your input and even more for the sympathy. Means a
> lot from someone who clearly understands what we're trying to do
and
> how it feels. A question and a few comments:
>
> 1. When you found the one house that felt energetically "cool" in
> spite of having a mast nearby, you chose NOT to live there,
correct?
> Did you make that choice because you could SEE the mast, even if
you
> weren't (as far as you could feel at the time) actually bothered by
> it? Or, did you later confirm (perhaps with additional visits?)
that
> the mast DID bother you?
>
> 2. It's nice to have someone else confirm my husband's experience
of guts,
> or
> > joint throbs so it must be borderline, but its definitely there,
I felt

I've only lived near two dishes. One the old, large type, and didn't
notice anything with that, but I wasn't as bothered then.

Here there is the small one. Once the service was cancelled, it
still bothered me greatly, even unhooked from the box as well. It is
far from the house, but with a long cable. I finally went outside
and unhooked the cable coming into the house, and that made a huge
relief.

I suspect just because you can't get the service, doesn't mean it
isn't still picking up waves. I have heard of someone who placed
foil over the front part of the dish and found relief that way.  
Blocking incoming I'd guess.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@...> wrote: under
> my net at night, (which is the time when i am loads more
sensitive).  
>
> It sounds crazy, but even when I unplug the wire from the receiver
> box and switch the box off i still get effects. I don't understand
> it, all i know is that i feel it.  
>
> I stayed in 2 places in an area away from all masts, both with
> virtually identical electrical setups, and only a few hundred
metres
> away from each other. In one i felt complete peace, in the other I
> had to sleep under my net. Both had a satellite dish on the roof,
> but only one of them had a dish that was operational and could be
> used, which is the one where i could not sleep. I know it makes
very
> little sense but those are the facts!!
>

Now that a couple people have noticed this, about the house seeming
okay, very near a mast, I have a thought.

You know how the garden sprinklers on a post that go round and round
make an arch? If you get near the center, in the right area, you don't
get hit with the water.  

Depending how the waves go out from the mast, it may be doing something
very similar. Anyone who could test this?

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@...> wrote: