Re: question about shielding fabrics

Hello,

I have found that around satellite dishes there are those unmeasuable
longitudinal waves.
Those waves go right through metal, and shieldings.

Especially at the back of those dishes this may occur.

Dismantling the dish did for us decrease the occurring symptoms.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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----- Original Message -----
From: "canaryyuk" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 15:34
Subject: [eSens] satellite dishes: reply to Jim

I seem to remember that the UK NRPB did measure fields around masts and
found that you could get a reduced level in a small arc just below them. I
tried measuring round a local mast, and there may have been a drop, but the
level was still pretty high. Should depend on the height of mast and type
of equipment.

Ian

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snoshoe_2
Sent: 20 April 2006 16:49
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs


Now that a couple people have noticed this, about the house seeming
okay, very near a mast, I have a thought.

You know how the garden sprinklers on a post that go round and round
make an arch? If you get near the center, in the right area, you don't
get hit with the water.

Depending how the waves go out from the mast, it may be doing something
very similar. Anyone who could test this?

~ Snoshoe

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Jane, we've been living in the "cool" house under the mast for about a week. Experience is
confirming our initial impressions. My husband has more energy here, sleepsbetter,
electrical appliances do not seem to harm him as much as in previous homes.The cell
tower does not seem to affect him while we are inside the apartment. He wears the
LessEMF cap when he goes outdoors. Too early for firm conclusions, but I'llkeep you
posted.

Your symptoms in your current home (high household EMFs) are *strikingly* similar to my
husband's in our previous (EMF soup) home: poor sleep, low energy, fuzzy thinking, high
pain, the sense of being "cooked" from the inside. My husband used to say his blood was
boiling. He felt these symptoms in our general neighborhood (they receded as we drove
away) and they got stronger as we approached our particular building (in our carport,
before we even entered our apartment). Our building was surrounded by overhead cables
on the side near our apartment and also the building itself was old, with outdated (and
almost certainly faulty) wiring.

Jane, are you able to turn off all the power to your house at night? We found that this
helped with sleep. My husband had exactly the sleep problem you're describing -- mind
unable to get a grip on sleep -- he had it for years, before we recognized the EMF issue.
He tried every prescription and non-prescription sleep aid available. When we finally just
started turning off all power to our apartment at night, he did a little better.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@...> wrote:

> I ended up taking the 'hot' feeling house
> away from the masts!! Ahh well, at least i'm learning all about the
> other side of ES: having become an expert in masts, i am now learning
> all about overhead cables, power transformers, etc.. and how they
> effect me,

> About the EMF soup you previously lived in. Was that the result of
> overhead cables/transformers near the house, or 'simply' because of
> warped wiring inside the house?
>
> best wishes,
> jane
>
>

hi, thanks for your reply, and sorry its taking me ages to reply now,
its not that i'm out disco dancing with ES a distant memory (if
only!), just no computer at home.

I have to say that i did suspect in one place i stayed that even the
large very old and disused satellite dish on one side of the building
might be affecting me, but tried not to dwell on it. Its frightening
to be so sensitive to what must be such a minute concentration of
rays.
--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <nonengbunny@...> wrote:
>
> I've only lived near two dishes. One the old, large type, and
didn't
> notice anything with that, but I wasn't as bothered then.
>
> Here there is the small one. Once the service was cancelled, it
> still bothered me greatly, even unhooked from the box as well. It
is to
> > affect me. (I think that possibly TV aerials do too when they
are
> > close by).  
> >
> > I found in two different places i've stayed that when there is an
> > operational satellite dish, I feel the 'rays' and have to sleep
> under
> > my net at night, (which is the time when i am loads more
> sensitive).  
> >
> > It sounds crazy, but even when I unplug the wire from the
receiver
> > box and switch the box off i still get effects. I don't
understand
> > it, all i know is that i feel it.  
> >
> > I stayed in 2 places in an area away from all masts, both with
> > virtually identical electrical setups, and only a few hundred
> metres
> > away from each other. In one i felt complete peace, in the other
I
> > had to sleep under my net. Both had a satellite dish on the
roof,
> > but only one of them had a dish that was operational and could be
> > used, which is the one where i could not sleep. I know it makes
> very
> > little sense but those are the facts!!
> >
>

thanks charles,

so i'm not going mad!

j

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have found that around satellite dishes there are those
unmeasuable to
> > affect me. (I think that possibly TV aerials do too when they are
> > close by).
> >
> > I found in two different places i've stayed that when there is an
> > operational satellite dish, I feel the 'rays' and have to sleep
under
> > my net at night, (which is the time when i am loads more
sensitive).
> >
> > It sounds crazy, but even when I unplug the wire from the receiver
> > box and switch the box off i still get effects. I don't
understand
> > it, all i know is that i feel it.
> >
> > I stayed in 2 places in an area away from all masts, both with
> > virtually identical electrical setups, and only a few hundred
metres
> > away from each other. In one i felt complete peace, in the other
I
> > had to sleep under my net. Both had a satellite dish on the roof,
> > but only one of them had a dish that was operational and could be
> > used, which is the one where i could not sleep. I know it makes
very

hi cara, thanks for your reply. Fascinating news! And I'm glad that
you've both found some peace at last. A week is good going if you
ask me, with masts i feel the effects within 24 hours. But right
underneath a mast! The irony of it! So, it looks like Instinct may
have triumphed afterall, something for me to bear in mind. It sounds
like even if it isn't perfect then you've certainly made the
situation alot more tolerable. I hope it lasts. Initial results
certainly seem encouraging.

When i switch all the power off it makes only a slight difference,
which is why i know the main cause must be outside. Its sort of
liveable with, sort of, but my system is permanently vaguely
depressed. Sleep has improved slightly of late. I'm now at least
getting SOME sleep.

I have become fascinated by the structure of the electric grid near
me, becasue i am wondering if the change in my sleep as a result of
the easing of the charged atmosphere at night is to do with less
demand at night. All of the houses further down the line from me
have those ghastly night storage heaters and i'm wondering if with
the warmer weather they've swtiched them off whihc is in turn helping
me. But i can't work out if the whole grid goes in a loop, in which
case my theory probably doesn't hold, or if my house is on a "spur",
in whcih case there are only about 10 houses beyond me. Ho hum.  
library about to close, will try and get through the rest of the
messages on thurs...

best wishes
j



--- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@...> wrote:
>
> Jane, we've been living in the "cool" house under the mast for
about a week. Experience is
> confirming our initial impressions. My husband has more energy
here, sleeps better,
> electrical appliances do not seem to harm him as much as in
previous homes. The cell
> tower does not seem to affect him while we are inside the
apartment. He wears the
> LessEMF cap when he goes outdoors. Too early for firm conclusions,
but I'll keep you
> posted.
>
> Your symptoms in your current home (high household EMFs) are
*strikingly* similar to my
> husband's in our previous (EMF soup) home: poor sleep, low energy,
fuzzy thinking, high
> pain, the sense of being "cooked" from the inside. My husband used
to say his blood was
> boiling. He felt these symptoms in our general neighborhood (they
receded as we drove
> away) and they got stronger as we approached our particular
building (in our carport,
> before we even entered our apartment). Our building was surrounded
by overhead cables
> on the side near our apartment and also the building itself was
old, with outdated (and
> almost certainly faulty) wiring.
>
> Jane, are you able to turn off all the power to your house at
night? We found that this
> helped with sleep. My husband had exactly the sleep problem you're
describing -- mind
> unable to get a grip on sleep -- he had it for years, before we
recognized the EMF issue.
> He tried every prescription and non-prescription sleep aid
available. When we finally just
> started turning off all power to our apartment at night, he did a
little better.
>
> Cara
>
> --- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@> wrote:
>
> > I ended up taking the 'hot' feeling house
> > away from the masts!! Ahh well, at least i'm learning all about
the
> > other side of ES: having become an expert in masts, i am now
learning
> > all about overhead cables, power transformers, etc.. and how they
> > effect me,
>
> > About the EMF soup you previously lived in. Was that the result
of
> > overhead cables/transformers near the house, or 'simply' because
of
> > warped wiring inside the house?
> >
> > best wishes,
> > jane
> >
> >
>

Hi Jane,
A couple of extra ideas in your search for the elusive needle of causes in
the haystack of symptoms...

Sue had problems sleeping when they replaced the old yellow sodium lamps in
our road with modern high-pressure sodium ones giving a whiter light. She
described it like "having a hammer hitting inside my head" We actually
managed to persuade the local council to try switching off the light and her
symptoms improved at once and she could sleep. They put back an old lamp
outside our house in the end. However I have not heard of anyone else
suffering from this cause. It was definitely the electrical frequency, not
the light, because we had balckout curtains up.

Secondly, there is a "total load" effect which means that other
environmental effects e.g. chemical, light, can aggravate the symptoms
normally caused by ES. So for Sue, the buzzing in her head is made worse by
electric/magnetic fields, microwaves etc, but also by sunlight,
chemicals/solvents (perfume, traffic fumes etc) and eating the wrong foods.
At night, the light/food problems won't apply, but it's just possible that
something like a solvent in the house (formaldehyde from carpet glue, wood
preservative in pine furniture) is contributing.

Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
canaryyuk
Sent: 09 May 2006 16:29
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs


When i switch all the power off it makes only a slight difference,
which is why i know the main cause must be outside. Its sort of
liveable with, sort of, but my system is permanently vaguely
depressed. Sleep has improved slightly of late. I'm now at least
getting SOME sleep.

I have become fascinated by the structure of the electric grid near
me, becasue i am wondering if the change in my sleep as a result of
the easing of the charged atmosphere at night is to do with less
demand at night. All of the houses further down the line from me
have those ghastly night storage heaters and i'm wondering if with
the warmer weather they've swtiched them off whihc is in turn helping
me. But i can't work out if the whole grid goes in a loop, in which
case my theory probably doesn't hold, or if my house is on a "spur",
in whcih case there are only about 10 houses beyond me. Ho hum.
library about to close, will try and get through the rest of the
messages on thurs...

best wishes
j



--- In [hidden email], "Cara" <cara_evangelista@...> wrote:
>
> Jane, we've been living in the "cool" house under the mast for
about a week. Experience is
> confirming our initial impressions. My husband has more energy
here, sleeps better,
> electrical appliances do not seem to harm him as much as in
previous homes. The cell
> tower does not seem to affect him while we are inside the
apartment. He wears the
> LessEMF cap when he goes outdoors. Too early for firm conclusions,
but I'll keep you
> posted.
>
> Your symptoms in your current home (high household EMFs) are
*strikingly* similar to my
> husband's in our previous (EMF soup) home: poor sleep, low energy,
fuzzy thinking, high
> pain, the sense of being "cooked" from the inside. My husband used
to say his blood was
> boiling. He felt these symptoms in our general neighborhood (they
receded as we drove
> away) and they got stronger as we approached our particular
building (in our carport,
> before we even entered our apartment). Our building was surrounded
by overhead cables
> on the side near our apartment and also the building itself was
old, with outdated (and
> almost certainly faulty) wiring.
>
> Jane, are you able to turn off all the power to your house at
night? We found that this
> helped with sleep. My husband had exactly the sleep problem you're
describing -- mind
> unable to get a grip on sleep -- he had it for years, before we
recognized the EMF issue.
> He tried every prescription and non-prescription sleep aid
available. When we finally just
> started turning off all power to our apartment at night, he did a
little better.
>
> Cara
>
> --- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@> wrote:
>
> > I ended up taking the 'hot' feeling house
> > away from the masts!! Ahh well, at least i'm learning all about
the
> > other side of ES: having become an expert in masts, i am now
learning
> > all about overhead cables, power transformers, etc.. and how they
> > effect me,
>
> > About the EMF soup you previously lived in. Was that the result
of
> > overhead cables/transformers near the house, or 'simply' because
of
> > warped wiring inside the house?
> >
> > best wishes,
> > jane
> >
> >
>








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