RADAR HELP!

Ok, So I am getting more and more sensitive to the military RADAR as well as obtaining new symptoms even from commercial jets. this stabbing pain into my chest and out through my mid back. The Heavy duty faraday canopy is not shielding me good enough anymore.

What do I do?
Kris





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Hi all,

Just something from my visit to my doctor today, who I've been seeing
for a couple years now. When I first started going there, I noticed
that her office was really nasty from an EMF standpoint, and I could
see some potential reasons -- florescent lighting, an LCD TV running
in the waiting room, and a wireless high-speed Internet receiver
(ClearWire) and local transmitter at the front desk. This all doesn't
really bother me that much anymore, because I'm quite a bit better now.

However, she mentioned today that she installed some EMF protection devices in
her office, and that her "other ES patient" (who is apparently far
more sensitive than I currently am) thought that there was a huge
difference, almost as if the wi-fi had been turned off. But no, the
wi-fi was still on, except that there were now two of these EMF protection
devices stuck onto the router.

The devices on the wi-fi router were made by Premiere Research
Labs and are called "diodes". I found a web page that I think
shows what I saw:

http://www.naturalhealthyconcepts.com/emf-remediation-tool-black-p-premier-research.html

I couldn't really say if I noticed a difference, as the office hasn't
really bothered me much lately.

My doctor said that they were also planning on getting a "pyramid" from
the same company, to treat a wider area.

Anyway, just something to report... don't you wish all doctors were
more like this? :-)

Marc

They just stick them onto the device itself?

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Thanks for the post, Marc; and yes, I do wish more/all doctor's were like this.

R.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> They just stick them onto the device itself?

Yes, several protection devices sold by several different companies
recommend that you treat the source of the problem,
rather than a specific person. That way, everyone
in the area benefits. Of course, we've seen that
people with ES can have a tendency to react badly to
protection devices...

Marc

Ok Added info. I just found out that Radar is at 77ghz. no way will the faraday canopy protect me at that. Nor will the Argen mesh. SO WHAT WILL?
kRIS





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Subject: [eSens] RADAR HELP!

Ok, So I am getting more and more sensitive to the military RADAR as well as obtaining new symptoms even from commercial jets. this stabbing pain into my chest and out through my mid back. The Heavy duty faraday canopy is not shielding me good enough anymore.

What do I do?
Kris





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> Ok Added info. I just found out that Radar is at 77ghz. no way will the
> faraday canopy protect me at that. Nor will the Argen mesh. SO WHAT
> WILL?

Have you tried a Quantum Pro?

Marc

no I haven't. What will that do?
Kris




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Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!

> Ok Added info. I just found out that Radar is at 77ghz. no way will the
> faraday canopy protect me at that. Nor will the Argen mesh. SO WHAT
> WILL?

Have you tried a Quantum Pro?

Marc


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> no I haven't. What will that do?

Well, Diane/Evie and I both have noticed that it makes EMF coming into
your house from the outside more tolerable. It is not "shielding",
but rather is doing "something" to the local environment that negates
the negative reaction that people have to EMF. That "something"
has to do with Quantum coherence.

And if it doesn't help, it has a money back guarantee. :-)

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_pro.html

Marc

Hi, Kris,
 
I don't know if the Quantum Pro will help with your problems, butit does seem to keep frequencies from the outside, out of my house, to a large degree.  I still have had to shield windows or I can feel a difference there, tho.  And everyday at 3pm, something gets worse at that house which I assume is coming from outside, and I can feel the change (now understand, I, like Marc, am much better es-wise and tho I can still "feel" changes, these do not make me ill as they did before).  However, if I either sit next to the Q Pro or move it closer to me at 3pm, the up-tick in frequencies seems to go away.  It is worth a try and, as Marc said, it has a reliable return policy.
 
I hope it helps you,
Diane
 


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Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:37 PM


 



> no I haven't. What will that do?

Well, Diane/Evie and I both have noticed that it makes EMF coming into
your house from the outside more tolerable. It is not "shielding",
but rather is doing "something" to the local environment that negates
the negative reaction that people have to EMF. That "something"
has to do with Quantum coherence.

And if it doesn't help, it has a money back guarantee. :-)

http://quantumprodu cts.com/catalog/ quantum_pro. html

Marc








     

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so are you saying when the jets are flying then I need to sit by the quantum pro? Should I still be under my canopy at the time?
Kris




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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:39:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!

Hi, Kris,

I don't know if the Quantum Pro will help with your problems, but it does seem to keep frequencies from the outside, out of my house, to a large degree. I still have had to shield windows or I can feel a difference there, tho. And everyday at 3pm, something gets worse at that house which I assume is coming from outside, and I can feel the change (now understand, I, like Marc, am much better es-wise and tho I can still "feel" changes, these do not make me ill as they did before). However, if I either sit next to the Q Pro or move it closer to me at 3pm, the up-tick in frequencies seems to go away. It is worth a try and, as Marc said, it has a reliable return policy.

I hope it helps you,
Diane



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Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:37 PM






> no I haven't. What will that do?

Well, Diane/Evie and I both have noticed that it makes EMF coming into
your house from the outside more tolerable. It is not "shielding",
but rather is doing "something" to the local environment that negates
the negative reaction that people have to EMF. That "something"
has to do with Quantum coherence.

And if it doesn't help, it has a money back guarantee. :-)

http://quantumprodu cts.com/catalog/ quantum_pro. html

Marc










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> so are you saying when the jets are flying then I need to sit by the
> quantum pro? Should I still be under my canopy at the time?

I don't think anyone can accurate predict how much protection you
will need -- you just need to try it out and see!

Marc

Hi Kris,
 
<so are you saying when the jets are flying then I need to sit by the quantum pro? Should I still be under my canopy at the time?>
 
I wasn't actually aware when I wrote this that you were talking about radarfrom a jet flying by.  I thought you were talking about radar from anairport terminal.  So I was suggesting that you could add protection by sitting (or standing) by the Q Pro, or moving it closer to where you were working, or into your bedroom when you are in bed under your canopy.
 
Actually, I personally doubt the Q Pro will help you with jet radar (tho itmight still be worth the try) because my experience is there is a lag in protection-- when outside frequencies heighten, it takes sometimes a few minutes for the device to remediate them.

Diane

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Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 9:16 PM


 



so are you saying when the jets are flying then I need to sit by the quantum pro? Should I still be under my canopy at the time?
Kris

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:39:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!

Hi, Kris,

I don't know if the Quantum Pro will help with your problems, but it does seem to keep frequencies from the outside, out of my house, to a large degree. I still have had to shield windows or I can feel a difference there, tho. And everyday at 3pm, something gets worse at that house which I assume iscoming from outside, and I can feel the change (now understand, I, like Marc, am much better es-wise and tho I can still "feel" changes, these do notmake me ill as they did before). However, if I either sit next to the Q Pro or move it closer to me at 3pm, the up-tick in frequencies seems to go away. It is worth a try and, as Marc said, it has a reliable return policy.

I hope it helps you,
Diane


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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:37 PM

> no I haven't. What will that do?

Well, Diane/Evie and I both have noticed that it makes EMF coming into
your house from the outside more tolerable. It is not "shielding",
but rather is doing "something" to the local environment that negates
the negative reaction that people have to EMF. That "something"
has to do with Quantum coherence.

And if it doesn't help, it has a money back guarantee. :-)

http://quantumprodu cts.com/catalog/ quantum_pro. html

Marc

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PUK replies -

Is the radar from the jets the prime EMR agitant in your vicinity ? I
guess that a regular dose of the same emr is bad as your ES will all too
quickly recognise this, is there no way you can set up an early warning system
and then seek cover ? You need to ascertain what materiel will absorb the
radar - you probably need a microwave painted shelter that you can stand in,
but of course the whole thing will be impractical as I suppose the jets fly
over frequently ?


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so are you saying when the jets are flying then I need to sit by the
quantum pro? Should I still be under my canopy at the time?
Kris




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PUK replies - another way of looking at it would be to research how the  
military would try to deflect radar signals from the enemy, alas I think we
are talking stealth tech here, but you should be able to protect yourself by  
reflection, with aluminium structure ? get an old car and convert it to be
in your living room, now that would be cool. obviously no engine etc,
esheilded windows etc...
 
 
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[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Hi, Kris,

I don't know if the Quantum Pro will help with your problems, but it does
seem to keep frequencies from the outside, out of my house, to a large
degree. I still have had to shield windows or I can feel a difference there,
tho. And everyday at 3pm, something gets worse at that house which I assume
is coming from outside, and I can feel the change (now understand, I, like
Marc, am much better es-wise and tho I can still "feel" changes, these do
not make me ill as they did before). However, if I either sit next to the
Q Pro or move it closer to me at 3pm, the up-tick in frequencies seems to
go away. It is worth a try and, as Marc said, it has a reliable return
policy.

I hope it helps you,
Diane


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(mailto:[hidden email]) > wrote:

From: Marc Martin <_marc@ufoseries.mar_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.eSe_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:37 PM



> no I haven't. What will that do?

Well, Diane/Evie and I both have noticed that it makes EMF coming into
your house from the outside more tolerable. It is not "shielding",
but rather is doing "something" to the local environment that negates
the negative reaction that people have to EMF. That "something"  
has to do with Quantum coherence.

And if it doesn't help, it has a money back guarantee. :-)

_http://quantumprodu_ (http://quantumprodu/) cts.com/catalog/  
quantum_pro. html

Marc

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> Actually, I personally doubt the Q Pro will help you with jet radar (tho
> it might still be worth the try) because my experience is there is a lag
> in protection-- when outside frequencies heighten, it takes sometimes a
> few minutes for the device to remediate them.

Yes, there is a lag with the Quantum Pro, which does make it work better
(I think) for a constant source of EMF, however, I still think that if
one is being exposed to a variety of forms of EMF (which everyone is),
that if you can help with some forms of EMF, then your sensitivity to
other sources is reduced.

Marc

no see I live in a fly zone where the military air guard practice their maneuvers and runs. There will be one or two to five or six of them at a time. circling, diving, "swishing and Swooshing"(if you know what I mean.)
They fly just under the sound barrier, sometimes they break it. They fly at 6000 ft. most commercial jets fly at 30,000 ft. I am getting sensitive enough that now the commercial jets are hurting me too. This is what I need protection from. The military will fly around 10:00 am til 11:30 then again at 2:00-5:00 Tues thru Fri. Then they will have guard weekends where they will fly Sat and Sun and also their nighttime practice runs that can be whenever.

I live 20 minutes from the border of the fly zone. I've tried driving out of the zone to see if that helps but b/c I am now being sensitive to the commercial jets that doesn't work b/c the commercial jets then are rerouted around the active fly zone, plus the exposures to more high power lines, cell phones and their towers, etc......
Kris




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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 12:24:05 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!

Hi Kris,

<so are you saying when the jets are flying then I need to sit by the quantum pro? Should I still be under my canopy at the time?>

I wasn't actually aware when I wrote this that you were talking about radar from a jet flying by. I thought you were talking about radar from an airport terminal. So I was suggesting that you could add protection by sitting (or standing) by the Q Pro, or moving it closer to where you were working, or into your bedroom when you are in bed under your canopy.

Actually, I personally doubt the Q Pro will help you with jet radar (tho it might still be worth the try) because my experience is there is a lag in protection-- when outside frequencies heighten, it takes sometimes a few minutes for the device to remediate them.

Diane

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From: K <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 9:16 PM






so are you saying when the jets are flying then I need to sit by the quantum pro? Should I still be under my canopy at the time?
Kris

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, April 15, 2010 7:39:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!

Hi, Kris,

I don't know if the Quantum Pro will help with your problems, but it does seem to keep frequencies from the outside, out of my house, to a large degree. I still have had to shield windows or I can feel a difference there, tho. And everyday at 3pm, something gets worse at that house which I assume is coming from outside, and I can feel the change (now understand, I, like Marc, am much better es-wise and tho I can still "feel" changes, these do not make me ill as they did before). However, if I either sit next to the Q Pro or move it closer to me at 3pm, the up-tick in frequencies seems to go away. It is worth a try and, as Marc said, it has a reliable return policy.

I hope it helps you,
Diane


--- On Thu, 4/15/10, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:37 PM

> no I haven't. What will that do?

Well, Diane/Evie and I both have noticed that it makes EMF coming into
your house from the outside more tolerable. It is not "shielding",
but rather is doing "something" to the local environment that negates
the negative reaction that people have to EMF. That "something"
has to do with Quantum coherence.

And if it doesn't help, it has a money back guarantee. :-)

http://quantumprodu cts.com/catalog/ quantum_pro. html

Marc

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Yes, that is the biggest EMF issue I have where I am living. We're taking care of the stray voltage issues in this 1902 house. We live in the country and the cell phone tower is 4 miles south of us with our town in between. Any high powered lines are also 3-4 miles east of us. We live in kind of a draw of sorts with mainly hayland and pasture surrounding us.

I feel the symptoms before I hear them flying overhead. Then usually I would get under my heavy duty faraday canopy as quick as I could. Last fall that would be all I needed to do. Now, it's not working. I am chemically sensitive so I shy away from paint. We are in the process of building a travel trailer in order to be a safe and protective living space. However the mesh we were going to use will not shield me from this. We have the exterior done. It's steel however We know there are shielding leaks b/c of the way the strips of steel went on. We were depending on the interior shielding to do the trick.

Exactly, I need a material that will absorb or shield me from it. I was educated yesterday by the lessemf.com guys that radar is at 77 ghz. They don't have any material that's been tested for this level of EMF. Yes they fly twice a day 5-6 days a week, not always in my area but very often. I live close(15 miles) from a major river that they like to use for practice.
Kris




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PUK replies -

Is the radar from the jets the prime EMR agitant in your vicinity ? I
guess that a regular dose of the same emr is bad as your ES will all too
quickly recognise this, is there no way you can set up an early warning system
and then seek cover ? You need to ascertain what materiel will absorb the
radar - you probably need a microwave painted shelter that you can stand in,
but of course the whole thing will be impractical as I suppose the jets fly
over frequently ?


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[hidden email] writes:

so are you saying when the jets are flying then I need to sit by the
quantum pro? Should I still be under my canopy at the time?
Kris




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so then align my walls with solid aluminum? How thick? where could I get such stuff like the aluminum and eshielded windows?

I still get the same symptoms but worse while in my van than under the canopy.

Kris




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Sent: Fri, April 16, 2010 5:19:51 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!

PUK replies - another way of looking at it would be to research how the
military would try to deflect radar signals from the enemy, alas I think we
are talking stealth tech here, but you should be able to protect yourself by
reflection, with aluminium structure ? get an old car and convert it to be
in your living room, now that would be cool. obviously no engine etc,
esheilded windows etc...


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[hidden email] writes:




Hi, Kris,

I don't know if the Quantum Pro will help with your problems, but it does
seem to keep frequencies from the outside, out of my house, to a large
degree. I still have had to shield windows or I can feel a difference there,
tho. And everyday at 3pm, something gets worse at that house which I assume
is coming from outside, and I can feel the change (now understand, I, like
Marc, am much better es-wise and tho I can still "feel" changes, these do
not make me ill as they did before). However, if I either sit next to the
Q Pro or move it closer to me at 3pm, the up-tick in frequencies seems to
go away. It is worth a try and, as Marc said, it has a reliable return
policy.

I hope it helps you,
Diane


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(mailto:[hidden email]) > wrote:

From: Marc Martin <_marc@ufoseries.mar_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.eSe_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:37 PM



> no I haven't. What will that do?

Well, Diane/Evie and I both have noticed that it makes EMF coming into
your house from the outside more tolerable. It is not "shielding",
but rather is doing "something" to the local environment that negates
the negative reaction that people have to EMF. That "something"
has to do with Quantum coherence.

And if it doesn't help, it has a money back guarantee. :-)

_http://quantumprodu_ (http://quantumprodu/) cts.com/catalog/
quantum_pro. html

Marc

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K wrote:
> I was educated yesterday by the lessemf.com guys that radar is at 77 ghz.

I'll just add, I really feel it when the military jets fly overhead. The
other day I had the Acoustimeter out and was mapping the area up the
hill. I could hear the jet coming on the meter first, then the sound
arrived. Went up to 0.05 V/m. A low number, but it was way up in the sky
and not right overhead. Didn't hurt that far away, not too much.

Anyways, since the meter only goes up to 8GHz, I think it emitted more
than just "radar".

Are you talking about U.S. planes?

from what you described, I would tend to think there is something more
in your area than just the jets, causing the heightened symptoms.

Stewart