RADAR HELP!

>
>
> Yes I am talking about the National Air guard Jets. I don't know if they
> are F-14's or if they're something else. I do know there is more equipment
> on these jets.
>
> I only have these symptoms at home when they fly.
>
> I have wondered about infrasound coming off the jets since I will start
> having symptoms before I hear them in the area. However, with the commercial
> airliner jets, I do associate the jabbing, stabbing chest pain every second
> until that jet passes overhead, I would suppose that is from their radar
> swoop?
>
> What kind of meter is going to measure that high? It's obvious my
> Electrosmog meter isn't high enough.
> Kris
>
> ________________________________
> From: S Andreason <[hidden email] <sandreas41%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 12:26:33 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
>
> K wrote:
> > I was educated yesterday by the lessemf.com guys that radar is at 77
> ghz.
>
> I'll just add, I really feel it when the military jets fly overhead. The
> other day I had the Acoustimeter out and was mapping the area up the
> hill. I could hear the jet coming on the meter first, then the sound
> arrived. Went up to 0.05 V/m. A low number, but it was way up in the sky
> and not right overhead. Didn't hurt that far away, not too much.
>
> Anyways, since the meter only goes up to 8GHz, I think it emitted more
> than just "radar".
>
> Are you talking about U.S. planes?
>
> From what you described, I would tend to think there is something more
> in your area than just the jets, causing the heightened symptoms.
>
> Stewart
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>

>
>
> Yes I am talking about the National Air guard Jets. I don't know if they
> are F-14's or if they're something else. I do know there is more equipment
> on these jets.
>
> I only have these symptoms at home when they fly.
>
> I have wondered about infrasound coming off the jets since I will start
> having symptoms before I hear them in the area. However, with the commercial
> airliner jets, I do associate the jabbing, stabbing chest pain every second
> until that jet passes overhead, I would suppose that is from their radar
> swoop?
>
> What kind of meter is going to measure that high? It's obvious my
> Electrosmog meter isn't high enough.
> Kris
>
> ________________________________
> From: S Andreason <[hidden email] <sandreas41%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 12:26:33 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
>
> K wrote:
> > I was educated yesterday by the lessemf.com guys that radar is at 77
> ghz.
>
> I'll just add, I really feel it when the military jets fly overhead. The
> other day I had the Acoustimeter out and was mapping the area up the
> hill. I could hear the jet coming on the meter first, then the sound
> arrived. Went up to 0.05 V/m. A low number, but it was way up in the sky
> and not right overhead. Didn't hurt that far away, not too much.
>
> Anyways, since the meter only goes up to 8GHz, I think it emitted more
> than just "radar".
>
> Are you talking about U.S. planes?
>
> From what you described, I would tend to think there is something more
> in your area than just the jets, causing the heightened symptoms.
>
> Stewart
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

>
>
> Well, we had tried the Denny Foil. I chemically reacted to it. This is a
> two-story house so painting the attic is impossible since my bedroom is not
> under the attic. Plus, I am chemically sensitive and they Y-shield paint has
> not been recommended for me with my sensitivities. With that said, would
> that copper mesh be a success if I lined the walls, floor, and ceiling of
> the trailer besides the windows?
>
> Or would solid aluminum instead of wallboard work and where would I get a
> product and how can I attach it/ seal it in the trailer without caulking?In
> other words, I have to seal what is in the walls( the insulation) but I am
> sensitive to caulk even the "Safe" stuff. We have steel studs about 2 feet
> apart and the rafters are 4 feet apart with solid pieces attaching each one.
> Kris
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 11:34:41 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
>
> Regular aluminum foil will block 77GHz. Heavy duty might be better, and is
> easier to work with. Or a stronger product like astro-foil. At that
> frequency it is very much line-of-sight, although there will be some
> scattering from small metal objects like nails. I don't know if Y-shield
> would help (I think it would, but they have no specs) but I would bet the
> copper or aluminum paints would. If you have
> a flat roof, you can get an aluminum coating painted on. I think
> you'd also have good results with a radiant barrier in an attic.
>
> For windows, you either need very fine mesh (like 200 wires per inch copper
> from TWPinc.com) or metallic film (or foil, but then you can't see out).
>
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:16 AM, K <[hidden email]<kfarming%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Yes I am talking about the National Air guard Jets. I don't know if they
> > are F-14's or if they're something else. I do know there is more
> equipment
> > on these jets.
> >
> > I only have these symptoms at home when they fly.
> >
> > I have wondered about infrasound coming off the jets since I will start
> > having symptoms before I hear them in the area. However, with the
> commercial
> > airliner jets, I do associate the jabbing, stabbing chest pain every
> second
> > until that jet passes overhead, I would suppose that is from their radar
> > swoop?
> >
> > What kind of meter is going to measure that high? It's obvious my
> > Electrosmog meter isn't high enough.
> > Kris
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: S Andreason <[hidden email] <sandreas41%40gmail.com><sandreas41%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 12:26:33 AM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
> >
> > K wrote:
> > > I was educated yesterday by the lessemf.com guys that radar is at 77
> > ghz.
> >
> > I'll just add, I really feel it when the military jets fly overhead. The
> > other day I had the Acoustimeter out and was mapping the area up the
> > hill. I could hear the jet coming on the meter first, then the sound
> > arrived. Went up to 0.05 V/m. A low number, but it was way up in the sky
> > and not right overhead. Didn't hurt that far away, not too much.
> >
> > Anyways, since the meter only goes up to 8GHz, I think it emitted more
> > than just "radar".
> >
> > Are you talking about U.S. planes?
> >
> > From what you described, I would tend to think there is something more
> > in your area than just the jets, causing the heightened symptoms.
> >
> > Stewart
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>

>
>
> Yes I am talking about the National Air guard Jets. I don't know if they
> are F-14's or if they're something else. I do know there is more equipment
> on these jets.
>
> I only have these symptoms at home when they fly.
>
> I have wondered about infrasound coming off the jets since I will start
> having symptoms before I hear them in the area. However, with the commercial
> airliner jets, I do associate the jabbing, stabbing chest pain every second
> until that jet passes overhead, I would suppose that is from their radar
> swoop?
>
> What kind of meter is going to measure that high? It's obvious my
> Electrosmog meter isn't high enough.
> Kris
>
> ________________________________
> From: S Andreason <[hidden email] <sandreas41%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 12:26:33 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
>
> K wrote:
> > I was educated yesterday by the lessemf.com guys that radar is at 77
> ghz.
>
> I'll just add, I really feel it when the military jets fly overhead. The
> other day I had the Acoustimeter out and was mapping the area up the
> hill. I could hear the jet coming on the meter first, then the sound
> arrived. Went up to 0.05 V/m. A low number, but it was way up in the sky
> and not right overhead. Didn't hurt that far away, not too much.
>
> Anyways, since the meter only goes up to 8GHz, I think it emitted more
> than just "radar".
>
> Are you talking about U.S. planes?
>
> From what you described, I would tend to think there is something more
> in your area than just the jets, causing the heightened symptoms.
>
> Stewart
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

>
>
> Well, we had tried the Denny Foil. I chemically reacted to it. This is a
> two-story house so painting the attic is impossible since my bedroom is not
> under the attic. Plus, I am chemically sensitive and they Y-shield paint has
> not been recommended for me with my sensitivities. With that said, would
> that copper mesh be a success if I lined the walls, floor, and ceiling of
> the trailer besides the windows?
>
> Or would solid aluminum instead of wallboard work and where would I get a
> product and how can I attach it/ seal it in the trailer without caulking? In
> other words, I have to seal what is in the walls( the insulation) but I am
> sensitive to caulk even the "Safe" stuff. We have steel studs about 2 feet
> apart and the rafters are 4 feet apart with solid pieces attaching each one.
> Kris
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 11:34:41 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
>
> Regular aluminum foil will block 77GHz. Heavy duty might be better, and is
> easier to work with. Or a stronger product like astro-foil. At that
> frequency it is very much line-of-sight, although there will be some
> scattering from small metal objects like nails. I don't know if Y-shield
> would help (I think it would, but they have no specs) but I would bet the
> copper or aluminum paints would. If you have
> a flat roof, you can get an aluminum coating painted on. I think
> you'd also have good results with a radiant barrier in an attic.
>
> For windows, you either need very fine mesh (like 200 wires per inch copper
> from TWPinc.com) or metallic film (or foil, but then you can't see out).
>
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:16 AM, K <[hidden email]<kfarming%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Yes I am talking about the National Air guard Jets. I don't know if they
> > are F-14's or if they're something else. I do know there is more
> equipment
> > on these jets.
> >
> > I only have these symptoms at home when they fly.
> >
> > I have wondered about infrasound coming off the jets since I will start
> > having symptoms before I hear them in the area. However, with the
> commercial
> > airliner jets, I do associate the jabbing, stabbing chest pain every
> second
> > until that jet passes overhead, I would suppose that is from their radar
> > swoop?
> >
> > What kind of meter is going to measure that high? It's obvious my
> > Electrosmog meter isn't high enough.
> > Kris
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: S Andreason <[hidden email] <sandreas41%40gmail.com><sandreas41%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Sat, April 17, 2010 12:26:33 AM
> >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] RADAR HELP!
> >
> > K wrote:
> > > I was educated yesterday by the lessemf.com guys that radar is at 77
> > ghz.
> >
> > I'll just add, I really feel it when the military jets fly overhead. The
> > other day I had the Acoustimeter out and was mapping the area up the
> > hill. I could hear the jet coming on the meter first, then the sound
> > arrived. Went up to 0.05 V/m. A low number, but it was way up in the sky
> > and not right overhead. Didn't hurt that far away, not too much.
> >
> > Anyways, since the meter only goes up to 8GHz, I think it emitted more
> > than just "radar".
> >
> > Are you talking about U.S. planes?
> >
> > From what you described, I would tend to think there is something more
> > in your area than just the jets, causing the heightened symptoms.
> >
> > Stewart
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

>
> Ok, So I am getting more and more sensitive to the military RADAR as wellas obtaining new symptoms even from commercial jets. this stabbing pain into my chest and out through my mid back. The Heavy duty faraday canopy is not shielding me good enough anymore.  
>
> What do I do?
> Kris
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Ok, So I am getting more and more sensitive to the military RADAR as well as obtaining new symptoms even from commercial jets. this stabbing pain into my chest and out through my mid back. The Heavy duty faraday canopy is not shielding me good enough anymore.
>
> What do I do?
> Kris
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> Sorry I didn't respond til now. Wasn't able to get to my emails yesterday.
> yahoo wouldn't let me in for some reason. ;( Jets have been flying late
> afternoon and at night everyday this week so I have been really suffering
> lately.
>
> SIlver Lame Fabric:
> one site said is was made of Polyester. Amazon's site showed it was made
> out of 49% Nylon, 51% Metallic Yarn and quite a bit more expensive. What
> materials should I look for in this fabric? Is metallic yarn a metal yarn?
> Also, can you explain my fogged brain a little more how this will give me
> more protection?
>
> Military jets:
> They are supposed to be getting new jets with digital equipment on them.
> Again, will I be exposed to higher levels?
>
> Water jugs.
> I can try that. See if it works.
>
> Radar and it's frequencies.
> I do not have a meter that will measure this for me. I have an electrosmog
> meter. Never does it read while they are flying. Does that mean the radaris
> too high for it to read? I have never understood that meter and have had
> trouble with it since I bought it last year. :(
>
> ________________________________
> From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email] <snoshoe_2%40yahoo.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 2:39:18 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: RADAR HELP!
>
>
> I just thought of something else...
>
> But first maybe you can try something we talked on here a few years back to
> help - the silver lame fabric from Walmart or fabric stores, a few yards of
> that to add a couple more layers of protection. You can use it as a blanket
> in the cage, and it reflects your body's own fir, which is nice too, unless
> it's really hot out.
> Someone here tested it for it's impedence ability and found it does has
> some.
>
> Now by other thought, :( . It may be that being military jets, they have
> started using the x-ray imaging in some of their onboard tech. like some
> satellites do. The only answer I can to that is can you say "lead paint".If
> you're sensitive to xrays, it has a burning sensation, similar to too much
> sun exposure, but you may feel it deeper.
>
> Something to try for heart, if you can hold a jug of water in front of your
> heart, it seems to help absorb some of problem and reduce the pain, don't
> know about that frequency, but I've tried it a couple times in town now,
> when my heart was being bothered. If I have a cup of coffee in my hand say,
> I'll hold it in front of my heart till it passes and it seems to reduce the
> effect. If it's coming from your back, well maybe make a wall lined with
> plastic water bottles in your room?
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, K <kfarming@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, So I am getting more and more sensitive to the military RADAR as well
> as obtaining new symptoms even from commercial jets. this stabbing pain into
> my chest and out through my mid back. The Heavy duty faraday canopy is not
> shielding me good enough anymore.
> >
> > What do I do?
> > Kris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>

>
>
> Sorry I didn't respond til now. Wasn't able to get to my emails yesterday.
> yahoo wouldn't let me in for some reason. ;( Jets have been flying late
> afternoon and at night everyday this week so I have been really suffering
> lately.
>
> SIlver Lame Fabric:
> one site said is was made of Polyester. Amazon's site showed it was made
> out of 49% Nylon, 51% Metallic Yarn and quite a bit more expensive. What
> materials should I look for in this fabric? Is metallic yarn a metal yarn?
> Also, can you explain my fogged brain a little more how this will give me
> more protection?
>
> Military jets:
> They are supposed to be getting new jets with digital equipment on them.
> Again, will I be exposed to higher levels?
>
> Water jugs.
> I can try that. See if it works.
>
> Radar and it's frequencies.
> I do not have a meter that will measure this for me. I have an electrosmog
> meter. Never does it read while they are flying. Does that mean the radar is
> too high for it to read? I have never understood that meter and have had
> trouble with it since I bought it last year. :(
>
> ________________________________
> From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email] <snoshoe_2%40yahoo.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, April 21, 2010 2:39:18 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: RADAR HELP!
>
>
> I just thought of something else...
>
> But first maybe you can try something we talked on here a few years back to
> help - the silver lame fabric from Walmart or fabric stores, a few yards of
> that to add a couple more layers of protection. You can use it as a blanket
> in the cage, and it reflects your body's own fir, which is nice too, unless
> it's really hot out.
> Someone here tested it for it's impedence ability and found it does has
> some.
>
> Now by other thought, :( . It may be that being military jets, they have
> started using the x-ray imaging in some of their onboard tech. like some
> satellites do. The only answer I can to that is can you say "lead paint". If
> you're sensitive to xrays, it has a burning sensation, similar to too much
> sun exposure, but you may feel it deeper.
>
> Something to try for heart, if you can hold a jug of water in front of your
> heart, it seems to help absorb some of problem and reduce the pain, don't
> know about that frequency, but I've tried it a couple times in town now,
> when my heart was being bothered. If I have a cup of coffee in my hand say,
> I'll hold it in front of my heart till it passes and it seems to reduce the
> effect. If it's coming from your back, well maybe make a wall lined with
> plastic water bottles in your room?
> ~ Snoshoe
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, K <kfarming@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, So I am getting more and more sensitive to the military RADAR as well
> as obtaining new symptoms even from commercial jets. this stabbing pain into
> my chest and out through my mid back. The Heavy duty faraday canopy is not
> shielding me good enough anymore.
> >
> > What do I do?
> > Kris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

>
>
> Brand: TES Model No.: TES92
> I believe for HF
> Measures: 50Mhz-3.5Ghz in a variety of units:mV/m , V/m , ìA/m , mA/m ,
> ìW/m² , mW/m² , ìW/cm².
>
> I have had trouble with it ever since I bought it. I don't understand it.
> In
> these measurements, what are the "safety levels"?
> Kris
>
> Hello Kris,
>
> What kind of trouble have you had? We might be able to assist you.
> We recommend using the mV/m units. It is the unit the meter is actually
> measuring (electric field). The other units are calculated (by the meter)
> from the mV/m. Also, it is a nice sensitive unit.
>
> the formula for converting is this:
>
> mW/cm2 = (V/m)2 / 3770
> [the 2's are exponents]
>
> Emil
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: charles <[hidden email] <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 11:33:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR HELP!
>
> What kind of electrosmog meter ?
>
> Brand?
> Type?
> LF or HF ?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "K" <[hidden email] <kfarming%40yahoo.com>>
> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR HELP!
>
> >
> > Radar and it's frequencies.
> > I do not have a meter that will measure this for me. I have an
> > electrosmog meter. Never does it read while they are flying. Does that
> > mean the radar is too high for it to read? I have never understood that
> > meter and have had trouble with it since I bought it last year. :(
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>  
>

>
>
> Hi Emil, I guess maybe I need a physics lesson or two. :)
> I don't understand the measurements. What is a safe level at this reading?
> Can you help me with the math so I can understand?
> For example right now I get a reading of 6.0mV/m in my house, doesn't
> matter where I move in the house, whether I am in front of the computer or
> not. So what does that reading mean?
> Kris
>
> ________________________________
> From: lessemf.com <[hidden email] <lessemf%40lessemf.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 9:08:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR HELP!
>
> Brand: TES Model No.: TES92
> I believe for HF
> Measures: 50Mhz-3.5Ghz in a variety of units:mV/m , V/m , ìA/m , mA/m ,
> ìW/m² , mW/m² , ìW/cm².
>
> I have had trouble with it ever since I bought it. I don't understand it.
> In
> these measurements, what are the "safety levels"?
> Kris
>
> Hello Kris,
>
> What kind of trouble have you had? We might be able to assist you.
> We recommend using the mV/m units. It is the unit the meter is actually
> measuring (electric field). The other units are calculated (by the meter)
> from the mV/m. Also, it is a nice sensitive unit.
>
> the formula for converting is this:
>
> mW/cm2 = (V/m)2 / 3770
> [the 2's are exponents]
>
> Emil
>
> ________________________________
> From: charles <[hidden email] <charles%40milieuziektes.be>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 11:33:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR HELP!
>
> What kind of electrosmog meter ?
>
> Brand?
> Type?
> LF or HF ?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "K" <[hidden email] <kfarming%40yahoo.com>>
> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR HELP!
>
> >
> > Radar and it's frequencies.
> > I do not have a meter that will measure this for me. I have an
> > electrosmog meter. Never does it read while they are flying. Does that
> > mean the radar is too high for it to read? I have never understood that
> > meter and have had trouble with it since I bought it last year. :(
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>