RADAR HELP!

Well, and here's some more info for you Emil,
I have NEVER been able to get a reading on the mW/m2 or the mW/cm2. I have taken this meter on trips through some high RF areas and yeah it will go high into the V/m but then I change to the mW/m2 and nothing ~ no readings. This has been this way since I bought it. I thought maybe of course it's my ignorance in not understanding the use of this meter.
Kris




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From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
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I have that same meter. I like how simple it is and fairly rugged.
But it has some silly features. Hard to see why anyone would want the units
in A/m. I use mV/m, but if you're not used to those it would make sense to
just use mW/m^2 because it's a more standard unit.

At low frequencies your hand will affect the reading.

When cold the unit reads far too low. Readings below 20mV/m
are not supposed to be trusted, but it does seem to give reproducible
readings down to about 10mV/m, if the temperature is constant.

Also, the X, Y Z component feature doesn't seem to work well,
and should not have been included.

It's a good device. Too bad it's not as sensitive as the old
Aaronia HF-detektor (which was not well put together and is
no longer available... I've also heard Aaronia is phasing out
their support for it, so if you have one under warranty that
needs repair, don't delay).

Bill

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Hello,

I offer free lessons.
See: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html

On Pagina 112a, you can see, that 6 mV/m is ca 0.1 uW/m2

Such low levels cannot be shown in mW/m2, because that is outside the limits
of those meters.
1 mW/m2 = 1000 uW/m2.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:24 PM
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Hi Emil, I guess maybe I need a physics lesson or two. :)
I don't understand the measurements. What is a safe level at this reading?
Can you help me with the math so I can understand?
For example right now I get a reading of 6.0mV/m in my house, doesn't matter
where I move in the house, whether I am in front of the computer or not. So
what does that reading mean?
Kris




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Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 9:08:51 AM
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Brand: TES Model No.: TES92
I believe for HF
Measures: 50Mhz-3.5Ghz in a variety of units:mV/m , V/m , μA/m , mA/m ,
μW/m² , mW/m² , μW/cm².

I have had trouble with it ever since I bought it. I don't understand it. In
these measurements, what are the "safety levels"?
Kris

Hello Kris,

What kind of trouble have you had? We might be able to assist you.
We recommend using the mV/m units. It is the unit the meter is actually
measuring (electric field). The other units are calculated (by the meter)
from the mV/m. Also, it is a nice sensitive unit.

the formula for converting is this:

mW/cm2 = (V/m)2 / 3770
[the 2's are exponents]

Emil


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What kind of electrosmog meter ?

Brand?
Type?
LF or HF ?

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:18 PM
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>
> Radar and it's frequencies.
> I do not have a meter that will measure this for me. I have an
> electrosmog meter. Never does it read while they are flying. Does that
> mean the radar is too high for it to read? I have never understood that
> meter and have had trouble with it since I bought it last year. :(
>
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Right.
Exactly why I suggested using mV/m setting.

Emil

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Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:42 PM
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Charles, thank you so much for your wisdom and website. The quote below helped me tremendously. I didn't understand nor realize that this is what happens.


"With
the lowfrequency we need two separate meters; one for measuring the elektrical
alternating field, and one for measuring the magnetical
alternating field.
There
are manufacturors, who have built these two meters in one single apparatus.By
shifting a button, one may switch between the one and the other.
Because
at highfrequency these two fields are connected to each
other, only one field has to be measured, from which the other one can
be calculated. Therefore commonly the elektrical field will be measured."


Of course, with the testing we have done in our house is at the low frequency range and were taught in our consultation the Electrical AC and the Magnetic AC in their separate entities. I will study your website some more. Ithink it's starting to click! :)
Thanks so much,
Kris


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Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 3:42:26 PM
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Hello,

I offer free lessons.
See: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html

On Pagina 112a, you can see, that 6 mV/m is ca 0.1 uW/m2

Such low levels cannot be shown in mW/m2, because that is outside the limits
of those meters.
1 mW/m2 = 1000 uW/m2.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton




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Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 10:24 PM
Subject: Re:meter measurements was: [eSens] Re: RADAR HELP!


Hi Emil, I guess maybe I need a physics lesson or two. :)
I don't understand the measurements. What is a safe level at this reading?
Can you help me with the math so I can understand?
For example right now I get a reading of 6.0mV/m in my house, doesn't matter
where I move in the house, whether I am in front of the computer or not. So
what does that reading mean?
Kris




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From: lessemf.com <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 9:08:51 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR HELP!

Brand: TES Model No.: TES92
I believe for HF
Measures: 50Mhz-3.5Ghz in a variety of units:mV/m , V/m , μA/m , mA/m ,
μW/m² , mW/m² , μW/cm².

I have had trouble with it ever since I bought it. I don't understand it. In
these measurements, what are the "safety levels"?
Kris

Hello Kris,

What kind of trouble have you had? We might be able to assist you.
We recommend using the mV/m units. It is the unit the meter is actually
measuring (electric field). The other units are calculated (by the meter)
from the mV/m. Also, it is a nice sensitive unit.

the formula for converting is this:

mW/cm2 = (V/m)2 / 3770
[the 2's are exponents]

Emil


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From: charles <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 11:33:30 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR HELP!

What kind of electrosmog meter ?

Brand?
Type?
LF or HF ?

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton




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Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: RADAR HELP!


>
> Radar and it's frequencies.
> I do not have a meter that will measure this for me. I have an
> electrosmog meter. Never does it read while they are flying. Does that
> mean the radar is too high for it to read? I have never understood that
> meter and have had trouble with it since I bought it last year. :(
>
>




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I'm beginning to understand. So sorry about the brain fog and ignorance.
Kris




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Right.
Exactly why I suggested using mV/m setting.

Emil

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yes, I keep it on the X Y Z mode. We don't have any wireless in our home. Computer and internet are attached via fibre optic.
Oh yeah! I turned our microwave oven on for a minute. It fluctuated between 9-15 V/m UGH! No wonder I jitter. Now, I turned on our cordless phone. Yep. Fluctuated between 450-800 mV/m; turn it off and it goes back down tothe 6.0mV/m

Yes we are in a very low EMF area. That's why we want to be able to continue living here. My biggest issue is the military jets flying and their radar hurting me so bad. Our house is down in a hilly draw. 1.5 miles off the highway. Our nearest neighbors are .5 miles away. Our local town is 2.5 miles from here with 6 wireless antennas on the water tower in the middle of town with several businesses with WIFI. I don't stay long in town. The closest Cell tower is 4 miles south from us with town being in the middle. :)

Chemically, no it's not the greatest. At the point we and all our neighbors conventionally farm though the closest field that will get sprayed is .5 miles away and most of the spraying that happens around us is custom sprayed. We have an excellent relationship with the people who run the business,and can leave the area for the day. They watch the winds carefully.

Our house is another problem, that's why we need to get the travel trailer done, so I can move in there while my husband works on the house. Built in 1902. Electricity was put in during the 50's. Lots of stray voltage. some is fixed, some circuits are always shut off. I'm at my max in tolerance to the electricity in this house for right now.

Then there is the tick borne disease issues I am dealing with and the effect they have on my central nervous system but that's for another post.
Kris

 




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That's lower than mine ever reads, except perhaps in a
very low EMF area. What does it read outside?
Near a microwave oven or wireless device?

It's not good at detecting computer buses and such,
but it will pick up blue tooth easily.

The meter also has some memory features.
Make sure it is on XYZ mode.

Bill

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