Just a crazy story

>
> Hi Stephen,
>  
> Nothing in your story is crazy or unusual in regards to feeling better orworse depending on the geographic location. If I did not go back and forthbetween Europe (feel like a million bucks in Austria, Croatia, South of Italy, Paris) and North America, I would not have discovered that it is EMS bothering me. I would lose 7 kilos in two weeks while inEurope and put them all back in one week coming back home to Canada. I guarantee you that I ate a lot more and moved LESS while in Europe. It is just a part of the EMS issue. However, your advantage is that you live in a place that does not bother you. How LUCKY is that?!  
>  
> The most important thing is a self-diagnosis, pulling your sleeves up and starting to repair yourself. In the last 10 months I have taken some drastic and costly measures such as; moved out of Toronto tothe countryside, pulled out many grams of metal (implants, crowns, amalgam) out of my mouth , following Dr. Kelley's cancer treatment with liverenemas and gallbladder flushes, and some easy ones such as; throwing away my beloved coil mattress, replacing it with the latex, buying filters and all kinds of gadgets for EMS, doing homoeopathic and various otherdaily treatments.
>  
> Now I am well enough to look at and start working on the mental aspect and hopefully delete some of the corrupt brain files through clearings and take care of the emotional problems that helped EMS developed in mybody.  Basically from being bed ridden I am functional and getting better all the time. It took years to screw up my immune system, itwill take years to repair it.
>  
> Your advantage is that you feel better at home so you can slowly work on it and eventually travelling will not be a problem at all.
>  
> Sandra
>  
>  
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Just a crazy story
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 5:27 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Stewart,
>
> > Stephen, have you traveled to South America? or New Zealand? or Australia?
>
> No I haven't been outside Europe in the past 3 years except in Thailand...
>
> > Or have you really tried any places at least 8 Km from the cities and
> > visible towers?
>
> I don't think it is possible to go 8 km away from any cellphone/3G/ UMTS-tower in France/Germany/ UK/Netherlands!
>
> Maybe on a canoe?! 2 weeks ago I went to UK with the ferry and my headache started a copple of miles before arriving at the shore
> (and at the meantime I had no idea we were that close to England I was reading a book inside!)...
>
> My best guess is that it has got to do with 3G/UMTS. According to scientists 3G is a lot more harmful than 2G (only cellphone). The past few hours I've been reading more info. about 3G:
>
> -In Thailand they have got no 3G (but they plan it for the future).
>
> -In Belgium they have got 3G and they use 2100 MHz-band and (since 2008) the 900 MHz-band. In other European countries they use 2100 MHz but will start using 900 MHz (and maybe 1800 MHz). Download speed of 3G is 7.2 Mbps inBelgium and in other European countries it is the same or less. But I still don't see any explanation why I'm okey in Belgium and not in the other European-countries. ..
>
> P.S.
>
> http://www.gsmworld .com/roaming/ gsminfo/index. shtm
>
> This is an interesting website on 3G. On the following link you can:
>
> -Click in the list on a country and check whether it has 3G enlisted... (for Belgium they made a mistake. It should be "3G 900/2100" instead of "3G 2100")
>
> -Check on the map what kind of frequencies they use... Download the pdf's. If the country is written in red letters it has got 3G. I kinda like Africa? ;-)
>
> Here a list of some countries (I haven't checked all of them yet) that have got no 3G at this moment, according to that website:
>
> Albania
> Argentina
> Cuba
> French West Indies
> Haïti
> India
> Jamaica
> Mali
> Morocco
> Russia (except Northwestern part)
> San Marino
> Thailand (3G is planned for the future )
> Turkey
> Vietnam
> Yemen
> Zimbabwe
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Indeed Belgium is a small country.
> You don't have to travel to Thailand, there are many places in Belgium,
> where the elektrosmog is very low.
> Especially in the borden regions.
>
> Along the autoroutes, in Belgium the masts are merely GSM1800, where in the
> Netherlands the most part are GSM900, which harm more.
>
> The TETRA, in Belgium called the Astrid network, is not so overwhelming as
> in the Netherlands.
>
> Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnets, even when they are
> called, Bio.
>
> Why don't you start healimng yourself, in stead of mocking?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes. nl
> www.milieuziektes. be
> www.hetbitje. nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijve re@...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:33 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Just a crazy story
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be
> > true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share
> > it...
> >
> > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in
> > Europe, most known for its capital Brussels.
> >
> > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones,
> > cars,... the usual stuff ;)
> >
> > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in:
> > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other
> > countries)
> >
> > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within
> > +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something
> > really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when
> > I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside!
> >
> > The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and
> > Thailand.
> >
> > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast
> > for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed
> > Wifi for free on the beach...
> >
> > This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I
> > can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also
> > have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts...
> >
> > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is
> > not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm
> > trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms
> > were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because
> > the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as
> > Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. .
> >
> > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to
> > my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends...
> > Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on
> > vacation abroad! ;)
> >
> > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go
> > on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or
> > Thailand ;)
> >
> > best regards,
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> Big Smile. This topic doesn't make me smile often but I have often kidded my husband and said I would have to find others who are affected by EMS and buy some land and live in an electromagnetic free commune. Also, with organic farming.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Jennie
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: S Andreason <sandreas41@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 7:08:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
>
>  
> Evie wrote:
> > I am hoping to bicycle to a jungle in Brazil someday, if the canoe doesn't work out. lol
> >
>
> Hi Evie,
> You're not the only one.
>
> Stephen, have you traveled to South America? or New Zealand? or Australia?
> Or have you really tried any places at least 8 Km from the cities and
> visible towers?
>
> With the one exception of Thailand, everywhere you mentioned is in Europe.
>
> Maybe anyone else here could tell us their experience in traveling to
> other countries. There must be somewhere we can hide from the modern
> madness.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>  
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
>
> Hi, Loni,
>
> Me too re molybdenum, but I assume that is due to being gf and not getting
> it in my grains. Yesterday was the first day in about 6 months I have had
> time to do online searches and I have come up with some interesting stuff.
> Unfortunately I have only a few minutes online today to share.
>
> I found a connection between the amygdala and oxytocin and oxytocin and
> vasopressin. (I have problems with vasopressin) and oxytocin and vaso. are
> very closely related in their structure. Both are amino-acid chains
> (strands of 9 aminos) and only one amino acid difference between them. I
> found this an interesting and important clue. I also know I have problems
> with amino-acids and taking free-form amino complex is very helpful to me,
> but it worked best when my one amazing doc was alive. Never could figure
> why things don't work as well when I appear to take the same supplements he
> had me on, but I think I may have found out why. I also found proteolytic
> (sp?) enzymes are needed to process these aminos into needed peptides, etc.
> I was rather excited because that doc had me taking glandulars which could
> have worked in that capacity.
>
> If the person who sent for cds to the doctor who put out the amygdala
> training cds is reading, could you tell me whether the cds mention oxytocin
> at all? Oxytocin, as I found out, is a much more important hormone than we
> have been led to believe. But even more, it is interesting it is an
> amino-acid chain. For me personally, it has rather interesting
> ramifications. I mention this to you, Loni, because I believe you, me, and
> Kooky were having an indepth discussion about free-form aminos several
> months ago and you thought you needed them, too.
>
> My best to you,
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Loni <[hidden email] <loni326%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> From: Loni <[hidden email] <loni326%40yahoo.com>>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 6:35 PM
>
>
>
> Ya know that may be a common denominator because I believe I am low in
> maganese too.
> Also molybdenum seems to be an important mineral; also low in. Loni
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Kooky <furstc0404@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Kooky <furstc0404@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 1:08 PM
>
>
>
> Stephen
>
> I read about anoher whose symptoms improves
> in Thailand too.
>
> Could the earth magnetism be involved here?
>
> Lastly, do you have a reference about manganese
> and allergies? I am low in manganese and suffer
> severe allergies and MCS.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kooky
>
> --- On Mon, 2/22/10, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
>
> From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:01 PM
>
>
>
> Your story doesnt seem crazy at all. My symptoms got worse when I moved to
> the uk and my symptoms always invariably improve when I am inThailand as
> well.
>
>
>
> A
>
> --- On Tue, 23/2/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r
> [hidden email] <e%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r [hidden email]<e%40yahoo.com>
> >
>
> Subject: [eSens] Just a crazy story
>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>
> Date: Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 6:33
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be
> true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share
> it...
>
> I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in
> Europe, most known for its capital Brussels.
>
> As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, cars,...
> the usual stuff ;)
>
> But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in:
>
> the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other
> countries)
>
> If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within
> +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something
> really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when I'm
> in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside!
>
> The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and
> Thailand.
>
> But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast for
> instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed Wifi
> for free on the beach...
>
> This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I can
> stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also have
> 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts...
>
> Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is
> not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm
> trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms
> were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because the
> effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as
> Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. .
>
> Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to
> my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends...
>
> Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on
> vacation abroad! ;)
>
> Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go
> on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or Thailand
> ;)
>
> best regards,
>
> Stephen.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>

> Can someone put that in laymen's terms. Lower frequencies?
>
> The answer is quite simple.
>
> Where other countries do follow the guide lines from ICNIRP, Belgium has
> used lower values, and now is lowering them again.
>
> For instance: for GSM900:
> ICNIRP says 41 V/m
> Belgium was 20.9 V/m
> Belgium now 3 V/m

> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Oxytocin, aminos, and the amygdala (formerly Just a crazy story)
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 2:32 PM
> oxytocin is the love hormone... best
> stimulated by physical contact with
> biological parent or child.  If not available, I don't
> know, maybe a furry
> pet?
> Bill
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Evie <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi, Loni,
> >
> > Me too re molybdenum, but I assume that is due to
> being gf and not getting
> > it in my grains.  Yesterday was the first day in
> about 6 months I have had
> > time to do online searches and I have come up with
> some interesting stuff.
> > Unfortunately I have only a few minutes online today
> to share.
> >
> > I found a connection between the amygdala and oxytocin
> and oxytocin and
> > vasopressin.  (I have problems with vasopressin)
> and oxytocin and vaso. are
> > very closely related in their structure.  Both
> are amino-acid chains
> > (strands of 9 aminos) and only one amino acid
> difference between them.  I
> > found this an interesting and important clue.  I
> also know I have problems
> > with amino-acids and taking free-form amino complex is
> very helpful to me,
> > but it worked best when my one amazing doc was
> alive.  Never could figure
> > why things don't work as well when I appear to take
> the same supplements he
> > had me on, but I think I may have found out why. 
> I also found proteolytic
> > (sp?) enzymes are needed to process these aminos into
> needed peptides, etc.
> > I was rather excited because that doc had me taking
> glandulars which could
> > have worked in that capacity.
> >
> > If the person who sent for cds to the doctor who put
> out the amygdala
> > training cds is reading, could you tell me whether the
> cds mention oxytocin
> > at all?  Oxytocin, as I found out, is a much more
> important hormone than we
> > have been led to believe.  But even more, it is
> interesting it is an
> > amino-acid chain.  For me personally, it has
> rather interesting
> > ramifications.  I mention this to you, Loni,
> because I believe you, me, and
> > Kooky were having an indepth discussion about
> free-form aminos several
> > months ago and you thought you needed them, too.
> >
> > My best to you,
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Loni <[hidden email]
> <loni326%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > From: Loni <[hidden email]
> <loni326%40yahoo.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 6:35 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Ya know that may be a common denominator because I
> believe I am low in
> > maganese too.
> > Also molybdenum seems to be an important mineral; also
> low in. Loni
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Kooky <furstc0404@yahoo.
> com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Kooky <furstc0404@yahoo. com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 1:08 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > I read about anoher whose symptoms improves
> > in Thailand too.
> >
> > Could the earth magnetism be involved here?
> >
> > Lastly, do you have a reference about manganese
> > and allergies?  I am low in manganese and suffer
> > severe allergies and MCS.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Kooky
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@
> yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
> >
> > From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:01 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Your story doesnt seem crazy at all. My symptoms got
> worse when I moved to
> > the uk and my symptoms always invariably improve when
> I am inThailand as
> > well.
> >
> >
> >
> > A
> >
> > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, stephen_vandevijver e
> <stephen_vandevijve r
> > [hidden email]
> <e%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r
> [hidden email]<e%40yahoo.com>
> > >
> >
> > Subject: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> >
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> >
> > Date: Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 6:33
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it
> is too absurd to be
> > true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I
> think I should share
> > it...
> >
> > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a
> small country in
> > Europe, most known for its capital Brussels.
> >
> > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops,
> cellphones, cars,...
> > the usual stuff ;)
> >
> > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some
> high frequent EMF in:
> >
> > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+
> probably a lot of other
> > countries)
> >
> > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in
> my heart and within
> > +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or
> I'll get something
> > really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I
> even get sick when I'm
> > in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking
> outside!
> >
> > The only places where I have been fine the past 3
> years are Belgium and
> > Thailand.
> >
> > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on
> the Belgian Coast for
> > instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the
> day they installed Wifi
> > for free on the beach...
> >
> > This is all the more strange as in other places in
> Belgium (like 99%) I can
> > stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in
> Belgium we also have
> > 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts...
> >
> > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some
> place where EMF is
> > not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The
> only reason why I'm
> > trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the
> Netherlands, my symptoms
> > were even worse than they are now... So it may be
> getting better because the
> > effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years
> ago (such as
> > Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. .
> >
> > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far
> I've told this only to
> > my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends...
> >
> > Other people that know me simply don't understand why
> I don't go more on
> > vacation abroad! ;)
> >
> > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other
> sensitives, if you want to go
> > on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go
> to Belgium or Thailand
> > ;)
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > 
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>     [hidden email]
>
>
>

>
>
> Hey, Bill,
>
> You are SOOOOO over simplifying. It is the love hormone, but also necessary
> for many functions. That love hormone stuff is just a bunch of
> over-sexualized clap-trap. I really respect you, Dear, for all your help and
> knowledge on electrics, but you may need abit more work on your hormones.;)
> It is thought it may be implicated in autism, also. It is the hormone which
> controls fear and trust in the amygdala. It is not always as easy as
> cuddling--you have to first have the ability to make the hormone in your
> body. This is usually not a problem, except in people who do not have enough
> amino-acids. Meanwhile, where's my furry stuffed panda.....? ;)
>
> Be well,
> Diane
>
>
> --- On Tue, 2/23/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Oxytocin, aminos, and the amygdala (formerly Just a
> crazy story)
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 2:32 PM
>
> > oxytocin is the love hormone... best
> > stimulated by physical contact with
> > biological parent or child. If not available, I don't
> > know, maybe a furry
> > pet?
> > Bill
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Evie <[hidden email]<evie15422%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi, Loni,
> > >
> > > Me too re molybdenum, but I assume that is due to
> > being gf and not getting
> > > it in my grains. Yesterday was the first day in
> > about 6 months I have had
> > > time to do online searches and I have come up with
> > some interesting stuff.
> > > Unfortunately I have only a few minutes online today
> > to share.
> > >
> > > I found a connection between the amygdala and oxytocin
> > and oxytocin and
> > > vasopressin. (I have problems with vasopressin)
> > and oxytocin and vaso. are
> > > very closely related in their structure. Both
> > are amino-acid chains
> > > (strands of 9 aminos) and only one amino acid
> > difference between them. I
> > > found this an interesting and important clue. I
> > also know I have problems
> > > with amino-acids and taking free-form amino complex is
> > very helpful to me,
> > > but it worked best when my one amazing doc was
> > alive. Never could figure
> > > why things don't work as well when I appear to take
> > the same supplements he
> > > had me on, but I think I may have found out why.
> > I also found proteolytic
> > > (sp?) enzymes are needed to process these aminos into
> > needed peptides, etc.
> > > I was rather excited because that doc had me taking
> > glandulars which could
> > > have worked in that capacity.
> > >
> > > If the person who sent for cds to the doctor who put
> > out the amygdala
> > > training cds is reading, could you tell me whether the
> > cds mention oxytocin
> > > at all? Oxytocin, as I found out, is a much more
> > important hormone than we
> > > have been led to believe. But even more, it is
> > interesting it is an
> > > amino-acid chain. For me personally, it has
> > rather interesting
> > > ramifications. I mention this to you, Loni,
> > because I believe you, me, and
> > > Kooky were having an indepth discussion about
> > free-form aminos several
> > > months ago and you thought you needed them, too.
> > >
> > > My best to you,
> > > Diane
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Loni <[hidden email] <loni326%40yahoo.com>
> > <loni326%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Loni <[hidden email] <loni326%40yahoo.com>
> > <loni326%40yahoo.com>>
>
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 6:35 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ya know that may be a common denominator because I
> > believe I am low in
> > > maganese too.
> > > Also molybdenum seems to be an important mineral; also
> > low in. Loni
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Kooky <furstc0404@yahoo.
> > com> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Kooky <furstc0404@yahoo. com>
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 1:08 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > > I read about anoher whose symptoms improves
> > > in Thailand too.
> > >
> > > Could the earth magnetism be involved here?
> > >
> > > Lastly, do you have a reference about manganese
> > > and allergies? I am low in manganese and suffer
> > > severe allergies and MCS.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Kooky
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, ada iye <betty_starbuckle@
> > yahoo.co. uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: ada iye <betty_starbuckle@ yahoo.co. uk>
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:01 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your story doesnt seem crazy at all. My symptoms got
> > worse when I moved to
> > > the uk and my symptoms always invariably improve when
> > I am inThailand as
> > > well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 23/2/10, stephen_vandevijver e
> > <stephen_vandevijve r
> > > [hidden email] <e%40yahoo.com>
> > <e%40yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r
> > [hidden email] <e%40yahoo.com><e%40yahoo.com>
>
> > > >
> > >
> > > Subject: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> > >
> > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > >
> > > Date: Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 6:33
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it
> > is too absurd to be
> > > true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I
> > think I should share
> > > it...
> > >
> > > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a
> > small country in
> > > Europe, most known for its capital Brussels.
> > >
> > > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops,
> > cellphones, cars,...
> > > the usual stuff ;)
> > >
> > > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some
> > high frequent EMF in:
> > >
> > > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+
> > probably a lot of other
> > > countries)
> > >
> > > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in
> > my heart and within
> > > +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or
> > I'll get something
> > > really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I
> > even get sick when I'm
> > > in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking
> > outside!
> > >
> > > The only places where I have been fine the past 3
> > years are Belgium and
> > > Thailand.
> > >
> > > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on
> > the Belgian Coast for
> > > instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the
> > day they installed Wifi
> > > for free on the beach...
> > >
> > > This is all the more strange as in other places in
> > Belgium (like 99%) I can
> > > stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in
> > Belgium we also have
> > > 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts...
> > >
> > > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some
> > place where EMF is
> > > not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The
> > only reason why I'm
> > > trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the
> > Netherlands, my symptoms
> > > were even worse than they are now... So it may be
> > getting better because the
> > > effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years
> > ago (such as
> > > Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. .
> > >
> > > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far
> > I've told this only to
> > > my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends...
> > >
> > > Other people that know me simply don't understand why
> > I don't go more on
> > > vacation abroad! ;)
> > >
> > > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other
> > sensitives, if you want to go
> > > on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go
> > to Belgium or Thailand
> > > ;)
> > >
> > > best regards,
> > >
> > > Stephen.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > [hidden email]<eSens-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> >
> >
>
>  
>

>
> Big Smile. This topic doesn't make me smile often but I have often kidded my husband and said I would have to find others who are affected by EMS and buy some land and live in an electromagnetic free commune. Also, with organic farming.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Jennie
>
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: S Andreason <sandreas41@ ...>
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 7:08:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
>
>
> Evie wrote:
> > I am hoping to bicycle to a jungle in Brazil someday, if the canoe doesn't work out. lol
> >
>
> Hi Evie,
> You're not the only one.
>
> Stephen, have you traveled to South America? or New Zealand? or Australia?
> Or have you really tried any places at least 8 Km from the cities and
> visible towers?
>
> With the one exception of Thailand, everywhere you mentioned is in Europe.
>
> Maybe anyone else here could tell us their experience in traveling to
> other countries. There must be somewhere we can hide from the modern
> madness.
>
> Stewart
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> Can someone put that in laymen's terms. Lower frequencies?
>
> The answer is quite simple.
>
> Where other countries do follow the guide lines from ICNIRP, Belgium has
> used lower values, and now is lowering them again.
>
> For instance: for GSM900:
> ICNIRP says 41 V/m
> Belgium was 20.9 V/m
> Belgium now 3 V/m

>
> Indeed Belgium is a small country.
> You don't have to travel to Thailand, there are many places in Belgium,
> where the elektrosmog is very low.
> Especially in the borden regions.
>
> Along the autoroutes, in Belgium the masts are merely GSM1800, where in the
> Netherlands the most part are GSM900, which harm more.
>
> The TETRA, in Belgium called the Astrid network, is not so overwhelming as
> in the Netherlands.
>
> Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnets, even when they are
> called, Bio.
>
> Why don't you start healimng yourself, in stead of mocking?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member VerbandBaubiologie
> www.milieuziektes. nl
> www.milieuziektes. be
> www.hetbitje. nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijve re@...>
> To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:33 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Just a crazy story
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be
> > true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share
> > it...
> >
> > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in
> > Europe, most known for its capital Brussels.
> >
> > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones,
> > cars,... the usual stuff ;)
> >
> > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in:
> > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other
> > countries)
> >
> > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within
> > +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something
> > really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when
> > I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside!
> >
> > The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and
> > Thailand.
> >
> > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast
> > for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed
> > Wifi for free on the beach...
> >
> > This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I
> > can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also
> > have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts...
> >
> > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is
> > not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm
> > trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms
> > were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because
> > the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as
> > Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. .
> >
> > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to
> > my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends...
> > Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on
> > vacation abroad! ;)
> >
> > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go
> > on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or
> > Thailand ;)
> >
> > best regards,
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> Stephen,
>
> Let us know if you do!! At this point I am totally unemployable - which I am sure is not unusually for people in our situation. But I am a really good cook. ;) and because I have to eat gluten free I am developing new recipes, so that could be my contribution! And an island, sound good!
>
> I don't know if you read my previous post about opening up a bed and breakfast. My husband is an avid downhill skier and for the last few years we have vacationed a couple of weeks at a time in Park City, Utah. Those couple of week a year I feel better than I do the rest of the year. There are less cell towers per square mile than where I currently live (in Michigan) and the air more negatively charges in the mountains which I think helps meto feel better as well. Anyhow we have talked about opening a bed and breakfast that was EMS and MCS friendly so folks like us would find it easier to travel.
>
> Take care,
>
> Jennie
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tue, February 23, 2010 2:19:03 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Just a crazy story
>
>  
> Jennie,
>
> My plan is to rent an island first, later I buy one and build some guest houses there?!
>
> Am I serious about this? I don't know! ;)
>
> Take a look at:
>
> http://www.privatei slandsonline. com/susac- island.htm
>
> It's far enough from the shore so it hasn't got much 2G/3G-radiation. It is between the shore of Croatia and Italy, great climate!
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@> wrote:
> >
> > Big Smile. This topic doesn't make me smile often but I have often kidded my husband and said I would have to find others who are affected by EMSand buy some land and live in an electromagnetic free commune. Also, withorganic farming.
> >
> > Best of luck,
> >
> > Jennie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: S Andreason <sandreas41@ ...>
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 7:08:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Just a crazy story
> >
> >
> > Evie wrote:
> > > I am hoping to bicycle to a jungle in Brazil someday, if the canoe doesn't work out. lol
> > >
> >
> > Hi Evie,
> > You're not the only one.
> >
> > Stephen, have you traveled to South America? or New Zealand? or Australia?
> > Or have you really tried any places at least 8 Km from the cities and
> > visible towers?
> >
> > With the one exception of Thailand, everywhere you mentioned is in Europe.
> >
> > Maybe anyone else here could tell us their experience in traveling to
> > other countries. There must be somewhere we can hide from the modern
> > madness.
> >
> > Stewart
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>  
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>