Infrasound detector - does it exist?
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Some of you might remember that I posted a message some time ago about
my mother who hears "the hum" (at least that's what we think it is), and experiences symptoms such as, hearing it, feeling a vibration, agitation, fatigue, etc... Infrasound was suggested as something to look up. It's been a while since I did - I can say we don't live remotely within the vicinity of wind turbines, and she can hear and feel it in our house (and certain other places, but not ever place, so she's obviously very sensitive to it) even with the power shut off. We have no TETRA or anything like that. I also wonder(ed) if, even though I don't notice it like she does, being in an environment where it's present could add to the negative things I experience. So - it leads me to ask: is there such a thing as an infrasound detector? (Other than a sensitive human being) Thanking you! R. |
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I'm extremely interested in this because that is exactly what I experience too!!
--- On Thu, 19/2/09, rticleone <[hidden email]> wrote: From: rticleone <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Infrasound detector - does it exist? To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 9:26 PM Some of you might remember that I posted a message some time ago about my mother who hears "the hum" (at least that's what we think it is), and experiences symptoms such as, hearing it, feeling a vibration, agitation, fatigue, etc... Infrasound was suggested as something to look up. It's been a while since I did - I can say we don't live remotely within the vicinity of wind turbines, and she can hear and feel it in our house (and certain other places, but not ever place, so she's obviously very sensitive to it) even with the power shut off. We have no TETRA or anything like that. I also wonder(ed) if, even though I don't notice it like she does, being in an environment where it's present could add to the negative things I experience. So - it leads me to ask: is there such a thing as an infrasound detector? (Other than a sensitive human being) Thanking you! R. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Read the two September 2008 issues of *het bitje*.
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina10.html Look also for the Humsimulator at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina114d.html Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "rticleone" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: [eSens] Infrasound detector - does it exist? > Some of you might remember that I posted a message some time ago about > my mother who hears "the hum" (at least that's what we think it is), > and experiences symptoms such as, hearing it, feeling a vibration, > agitation, fatigue, etc... > > Infrasound was suggested as something to look up. It's been a while > since I did - I can say we don't live remotely within the vicinity of > wind turbines, and she can hear and feel it in our house (and certain > other places, but not ever place, so she's obviously very sensitive to > it) even with the power shut off. We have no TETRA or anything like that. > > I also wonder(ed) if, even though I don't notice it like she does, > being in an environment where it's present could add to the negative > things I experience. > > So - it leads me to ask: is there such a thing as an infrasound > detector? (Other than a sensitive human being) > > Thanking you! > > R. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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Thanks Charles but I don't see any September 2008 issue at that link.
One theory I heard from A. Firstenberg is that the hum is caused by LORAN-C, an-obsolete but still operating navigational system that I think operates with electromagnetic waves around 100kHz. I have heard of infra-sound detectors. I think I saw instructions on how to make one. Basically a special microphone, but you also need equipment to analyze the output (or send to your computer?). I think it's possible some ventilation systems can vibrate through a whole city. Look up "Taos hum" and you'll find some experiments, but not quite conclusive if I recall. Refrigerators and things like that can also be a factor. Putting industrial rubber dampers under the feet might help. Although I often experience such a phenomenon with the fridge off, and our house is on a big lot. Wind over vent pipes I think is also considered a possibility. Wish I knew... Bill On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: > Read the two September 2008 issues of *het bitje*. > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina10.html > > Look also for the Humsimulator at: > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina114d.html > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Bitdefender > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rticleone" <[hidden email] <rticleone%40yahoo.ca>> > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:26 PM > Subject: [eSens] Infrasound detector - does it exist? > > > Some of you might remember that I posted a message some time ago about > > my mother who hears "the hum" (at least that's what we think it is), > > and experiences symptoms such as, hearing it, feeling a vibration, > > agitation, fatigue, etc... > > > > Infrasound was suggested as something to look up. It's been a while > > since I did - I can say we don't live remotely within the vicinity of > > wind turbines, and she can hear and feel it in our house (and certain > > other places, but not ever place, so she's obviously very sensitive to > > it) even with the power shut off. We have no TETRA or anything like that. > > > > I also wonder(ed) if, even though I don't notice it like she does, > > being in an environment where it's present could add to the negative > > things I experience. > > > > So - it leads me to ask: is there such a thing as an infrasound > > detector? (Other than a sensitive human being) > > > > Thanking you! > > > > R. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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You have to scroll down to the bottom of the page.
Waves around 100 kHz are far beyond the hearing possibilities. And they are not regarded as infrasound. Infrasound is between 0 Hz and 20 Hz. And one has to distinguish between sound and vibrations. And both can be measured easily with what I have written in *het bitje*. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Infrasound detector - does it exist? > Thanks Charles but I don't see any September 2008 issue at that link. > > One theory I heard from A. Firstenberg is that the hum is caused > by LORAN-C, an-obsolete but still operating navigational system > that I think operates with electromagnetic waves around 100kHz. > > I have heard of infra-sound detectors. I think I saw instructions on > how to make one. Basically a special microphone, but you also need > equipment to analyze the output (or send to your computer?). I think > it's possible some ventilation systems can vibrate through a whole city. > Look up "Taos hum" and you'll find some experiments, but not quite > conclusive if I recall. > > Refrigerators and things like that can also be a factor. Putting > industrial > rubber dampers under the feet might help. Although I often experience > such > a phenomenon with the fridge off, and our house is on a big lot. Wind > over > vent pipes I think is also considered a possibility. > > Wish I knew... > Bill > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Read the two September 2008 issues of *het bitje*. >> >> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina10.html >> >> Look also for the Humsimulator at: >> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina114d.html >> >> Greetings, >> Charles Claessens >> member Verband Baubiologie >> www.milieuziektes.nl >> www.milieuziektes.be >> www.hetbitje.nl >> checked by Bitdefender >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "rticleone" <[hidden email] <rticleone%40yahoo.ca>> >> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>> >> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:26 PM >> Subject: [eSens] Infrasound detector - does it exist? >> >> > Some of you might remember that I posted a message some time ago about >> > my mother who hears "the hum" (at least that's what we think it is), >> > and experiences symptoms such as, hearing it, feeling a vibration, >> > agitation, fatigue, etc... >> > >> > Infrasound was suggested as something to look up. It's been a while >> > since I did - I can say we don't live remotely within the vicinity of >> > wind turbines, and she can hear and feel it in our house (and certain >> > other places, but not ever place, so she's obviously very sensitive to >> > it) even with the power shut off. We have no TETRA or anything like >> > that. >> > >> > I also wonder(ed) if, even though I don't notice it like she does, >> > being in an environment where it's present could add to the negative >> > things I experience. >> > >> > So - it leads me to ask: is there such a thing as an infrasound >> > detector? (Other than a sensitive human being) >> > >> > Thanking you! >> > >> > R. >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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Thank you Charles,
I will have a look at those. In the meantime, I also found this: http://www.scantekinc.com/frequency.htm (Scroll down to the meter named "NA-18") R. --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > You have to scroll down to the bottom of the page. > > > Waves around 100 kHz are far beyond the hearing possibilities. > And they are not regarded as infrasound. > Infrasound is between 0 Hz and 20 Hz. > > And one has to distinguish between sound and vibrations. > > And both can be measured easily with what I have written in *het bitje*. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Bitdefender > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:36 AM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Infrasound detector - does it exist? > > > > Thanks Charles but I don't see any September 2008 issue at that link. > > > > One theory I heard from A. Firstenberg is that the hum is caused > > by LORAN-C, an-obsolete but still operating navigational system > > that I think operates with electromagnetic waves around 100kHz. > > > > I have heard of infra-sound detectors. I think I saw instructions on > > how to make one. Basically a special microphone, but you also need > > equipment to analyze the output (or send to your computer?). I think > > it's possible some ventilation systems can vibrate through a whole > > Look up "Taos hum" and you'll find some experiments, but not quite > > conclusive if I recall. > > > > Refrigerators and things like that can also be a factor. Putting > > industrial > > rubber dampers under the feet might help. Although I often experience > > such > > a phenomenon with the fridge off, and our house is on a big lot. Wind > > over > > vent pipes I think is also considered a possibility. > > > > Wish I knew... > > Bill > > > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM, charles <charles@...> wrote: > > > >> Read the two September 2008 issues of *het bitje*. > >> > >> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina10.html > >> > >> Look also for the Humsimulator at: > >> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina114d.html > >> > >> Greetings, > >> Charles Claessens > >> member Verband Baubiologie > >> www.milieuziektes.nl > >> www.milieuziektes.be > >> www.hetbitje.nl > >> checked by Bitdefender > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "rticleone" <rticleone@... <rticleone%40yahoo.ca>> > >> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>> > >> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:26 PM > >> Subject: [eSens] Infrasound detector - does it exist? > >> > >> > Some of you might remember that I posted a message some time > >> > my mother who hears "the hum" (at least that's what we think it is), > >> > and experiences symptoms such as, hearing it, feeling a vibration, > >> > agitation, fatigue, etc... > >> > > >> > Infrasound was suggested as something to look up. It's been a while > >> > since I did - I can say we don't live remotely within the vicinity of > >> > wind turbines, and she can hear and feel it in our house (and certain > >> > other places, but not ever place, so she's obviously very sensitive to > >> > it) even with the power shut off. We have no TETRA or anything like > >> > that. > >> > > >> > I also wonder(ed) if, even though I don't notice it like she does, > >> > being in an environment where it's present could add to the negative > >> > things I experience. > >> > > >> > So - it leads me to ask: is there such a thing as an infrasound > >> > detector? (Other than a sensitive human being) > >> > > >> > Thanking you! > >> > > >> > R. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > |
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Sure, in the beginning I also did a test with such a meter, the NA22 I
believe. You obviously did not notion the price of that meter. And not for the price of the probe as well as the needed amplifier. My solution is the cheapest available. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Bitdefender ----- Original Message ----- From: "rticleone" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Infrasound detector - does it exist? > Thank you Charles, > > I will have a look at those. In the meantime, I also found this: > > http://www.scantekinc.com/frequency.htm > > (Scroll down to the meter named "NA-18") > > R. > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: >> >> You have to scroll down to the bottom of the page. >> >> >> Waves around 100 kHz are far beyond the hearing possibilities. >> And they are not regarded as infrasound. >> Infrasound is between 0 Hz and 20 Hz. >> >> And one has to distinguish between sound and vibrations. >> >> And both can be measured easily with what I have written in *het bitje*. >> >> Greetings, >> Charles Claessens >> member Verband Baubiologie >> www.milieuziektes.nl >> www.milieuziektes.be >> www.hetbitje.nl >> checked by Bitdefender >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bill Bruno" <wbruno@...> >> To: <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [eSens] Infrasound detector - does it exist? >> >> >> > Thanks Charles but I don't see any September 2008 issue at that link. >> > >> > One theory I heard from A. Firstenberg is that the hum is caused >> > by LORAN-C, an-obsolete but still operating navigational system >> > that I think operates with electromagnetic waves around 100kHz. >> > >> > I have heard of infra-sound detectors. I think I saw instructions on >> > how to make one. Basically a special microphone, but you also need >> > equipment to analyze the output (or send to your computer?). I think >> > it's possible some ventilation systems can vibrate through a whole > city. >> > Look up "Taos hum" and you'll find some experiments, but not quite >> > conclusive if I recall. >> > >> > Refrigerators and things like that can also be a factor. Putting >> > industrial >> > rubber dampers under the feet might help. Although I often > experience >> > such >> > a phenomenon with the fridge off, and our house is on a big lot. > Wind >> > over >> > vent pipes I think is also considered a possibility. >> > >> > Wish I knew... >> > Bill >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM, charles <charles@...> wrote: >> > >> >> Read the two September 2008 issues of *het bitje*. >> >> >> >> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina10.html >> >> >> >> Look also for the Humsimulator at: >> >> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina114d.html >> >> >> >> Greetings, >> >> Charles Claessens >> >> member Verband Baubiologie >> >> www.milieuziektes.nl >> >> www.milieuziektes.be >> >> www.hetbitje.nl >> >> checked by Bitdefender >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "rticleone" <rticleone@... <rticleone%40yahoo.ca>> >> >> To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 10:26 PM >> >> Subject: [eSens] Infrasound detector - does it exist? >> >> >> >> > Some of you might remember that I posted a message some time > ago about >> >> > my mother who hears "the hum" (at least that's what we think it > is), >> >> > and experiences symptoms such as, hearing it, feeling a vibration, >> >> > agitation, fatigue, etc... >> >> > >> >> > Infrasound was suggested as something to look up. It's been a while >> >> > since I did - I can say we don't live remotely within the > vicinity of >> >> > wind turbines, and she can hear and feel it in our house (and > certain >> >> > other places, but not ever place, so she's obviously very > sensitive to >> >> > it) even with the power shut off. We have no TETRA or anything > like >> >> > that. >> >> > >> >> > I also wonder(ed) if, even though I don't notice it like she does, >> >> > being in an environment where it's present could add to the > negative >> >> > things I experience. >> >> > >> >> > So - it leads me to ask: is there such a thing as an infrasound >> >> > detector? (Other than a sensitive human being) >> >> > >> >> > Thanking you! >> >> > >> >> > R. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------------ >> >> > >> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------ >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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Hi all, I recently realized that B12 seems to help me at night with emfs. I usually take B12 in the daytime, so I was surprised to find that B12 works differently for me if I take it at night before bed! I have the pesky problem of feeling like I am vibrating at night when I lay down or when I sit on a sofa with steel springs. (I live directly across from a telephone substation which is the likely culprit and I am only about 100 feet away from atrain track which sends me magnetic fields at night. Oddly, in this house, I usually only have problems at night--my old house for those of you who know I am between houses. If I am moving around during the day in my rubber shoes, I feel nothing except occasionally a slight magnetic feelingon my skin. When I lay down to sleep, however, I vibrate.) I have found that taking a sublingual B12 nugget (100mcg) just prior to going to bedhelps me immensely! I am able to relax better and the vibrating is gone or barely noticeable. I would like to hear from others with this problem who are able to try this to see if it helps them too. (Otherwise, the only other changes I have made is the recent homeopathy--none of which seemed to relax me, but did the opposite and incited worse vibration and inability to relax.) Have we found something which will help the vibratingat night? I hope so. Hope this helps some of you, too, Diane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi again, All, As you know from my recent posts, I have recently tried seeing a homeopath. I didn't exactly know what to expect ahead of time and purposely did not read up on it, since I wanted to be unbiased and without expectations. I perhaps should have done some reading before taking the remedies, as I did have very bad reactions to them. This is totally uncharacteristic of me--I question everything usually--to the point that I drive my docs all crazy. lol Anyway, that is water under the bridge now. I had my follow-up appt by phone last week (since this doc is 7 hours away--long story; suffice it to say I have heard he helps people with ES). This doctor says he does not want to treat me further due to the severity of my reactions, unless I buy these emf filter products he is selling which are quite pricey and use them several months prior. (I got the impression that he was not used to seeing this amount of reaction in his other patients and he seemed quite alarmed--I emailed him a written list of which remedy/what reactions and how long.... before our phone appt.) The filters cost close to $5000.00 for all he wants me to get, which I cannot buy due to the money situation at this time, but I could probably save up for. But I am wondering how these work, whether any of you have heard of them, ...... What are your thoughts--(don't hold back. lol) Here is the site which explains these: http://www.healthduo.com/ I tried going to this site to read about them (not his site--he is just adistributor), but they use streaming video at the site which wigs me out. Couldn't get close to figuring out how these work, because my head was aching so badly and I got so confused. So--beware if you react to streaming video, this is not a site for you. I asked the doctor about returnpolicy and guarantee but he told me he could tell from my reactions to theremedies that I would not know whether these filters would work for me within the 30 day warranty period, so that was a non-issue. He says they work and I should take his word for it (I am inclined to since I have heard good things about him, but I also know filters don't work for everyone here and there are only certain emfs that filters work for.) He says they will initially make me worse from detoxing metals, etc, from my body. But after a few months they will keep emfs out of my house--even emfs not on our wiring. (Really?) He wants me to buy one for my house, my water entry pipes, my car, and my phone. I am trying to be positive here, but thissounds too good to be true. So, for those technically savvy (and not technically challenged, as I am), what do you think? Do these appear to be anything different; do they actlike regular filters, will they remediate wiring and water flow emfs and also outside emfs.....??? This doctor thinks I reacted so badly due to emfs reacting with what I am detoxing, but I think I was reacting so badly because I over-detoxed, period. (And, yes, that did make the emf situation more uncomfortable even tho he warned me and I heeded his instructions to unplug everything unpluggable, refrain from using all electronics,.....) My point here is I got much worse even tho I took these precautions than I usually am, so I am quite sure I over-detoxed. I do not know whether I will continue homeopathy at this point, however, I did think how effective one little drop under the tongue was--took me months of supplementation to detox a fraction of a fraction of that same toxiccrap from my organs. I really feel if I continue, we need to go much slower and only target one organ (1 drop)/every 1 to 3 months. I can seeif we did that and went really slow that this *might* work. I see it asa very effective way to detox candida, for instance. Again, I welcome your ideas re homeopathy, as well. Thanks in advance, Diane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Sorry, there was a typo--I take a 1000mcg sublingual B12 supplement before bed.
--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Evie <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12 To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:17 PM Hi all, I recently realized that B12 seems to help me at night with emfs. I usually take B12 in the daytime, so I was surprised to find that B12 works differently for me if I take it at night before bed! I have the pesky problem of feeling like I am vibrating at night when I lay down or when I sit on a sofa with steel springs. (I live directly across from a telephone substation which is the likely culprit and I am only about 100 feet away from atrain track which sends me magnetic fields at night. Oddly, in this house, I usually only have problems at night--my old house for those of you who know I am between houses. If I am moving around during the day in my rubber shoes, I feel nothing except occasionally a slight magnetic feelingon my skin. When I lay down to sleep, however, I vibrate.) I have found that taking a sublingual B12 nugget (100mcg) just prior to going to bedhelps me immensely! I am able to relax better and the vibrating is gone or barely noticeable. I would like to hear from others with this problemwho are able to try this to see if it helps them too. (Otherwise, the only other changes I have made is the recent homeopathy-- none of which seemed to relax me, but did the opposite and incited worse vibration and inability to relax.) Have we found something which will help the vibratingat night? I hope so. Hope this helps some of you, too, Diane [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> What are your thoughts--(don't hold back.
> lol) My thoughts are that homeopathy doesn't work very well, especially if one is trying to detox using homeopathy. Also, we have seen over and over again on this group that there is no single type of filter that work for everyone. And $5000 is simply too much to pay to find out if this works for you. Especially when there are plenty of solutions out there that cost far less than this, that you could try first. Marc |
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> > What are your thoughts--(don't hold back.
> > lol) Oh, and as for the Memon products, I have on experience with these (how unusual!), but the description of these sounds about the same as the BioPro chips. Also, I see that you can by a cellphone chip for about $150, which is far less than $5000, and would probably tell you whether or not they are beneficial for you: http://www.healthduo.com/cellphoneharmony/orderform.php $150 isn't too bad for an EMF protection device... assuming it works for you... :-) Marc |
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> Oh, and as for the Memon products, I have on experience
> with these (how unusual!) Ooops, a typo... this should read "I have NO experience with these" Marc |
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Thanks, Marc,
for your input. These were my thoughts too, but I was trying to be positive and give these filters a chance. My family can't understand why I don't want to go there! ($5000? They think I am just being too tight and think that the $5000 is a fraction of what we might lose with the house move, renovations to the new house, now I can't even go in the new house......) And they have a point too, so I am trying to be objective and open minded. I think my family see these filters as a panacea, but I know that filters have not traditionally been so helpful here that ESers are flocking to them. My question is really, are these filters any different than any other filters? (But I still would remain somewhat skeptical, evenif they were.) I value your thoughts on homeopathy, too--you thought it was ineffective for detoxing. I was surprised by that--I never had such a detox! Maybe I misunderstood--did you mean it is not effective because it is not easily controlled? Thanks again, Diane --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 3:45 PM > What are your thoughts--(don' t hold back. > lol) My thoughts are that homeopathy doesn't work very well, especially if one is trying to detox using homeopathy. Also, we have seen over and over again on this group that there is no single type of filter that work for everyone. And $5000 is simply too much to pay to find out if this works for you. Especially when there are plenty of solutions out there that cost far less than this, that you could try first. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> My family can't understand why
> I don't want to go there! ($5000? They think I am just being too tight > and think that the $5000 is a fraction of what we might lose with the > house move, renovations to the new house, now I can't even go in the new > house......) If the filters solve all of your problems, then I agree, $5000 is much cheaper than moving. However, we have seen a wide range of reactions to filters -- there is no guarantee that *you* will react favorably to these. I also disagree with the comment that you won't know if they are helping you within 30 days. With the Quantum Products, I knew that they were helping me within 30 minutes! Same for every other EMF protection device that I've stuck with longterm. And frankly, we are all so sensitive that you can generally just purchase the cheapest item in the product line and try it out. That will usually indicate how you will do with the stronger, more expensive models. > My question is really, are these filters any > different than any other filters? The description and claims for these filters seem very familiar. They sound like they do (more or less) the same thing as Quantum Products, Springlife Polarizers, Tachyon products, etc. etc. All of which probably have an equal probability of solving your problem. > I value your thoughts on homeopathy, > too--you thought it was ineffective for detoxing. I was surprised by > that--I never had such a detox! Maybe I misunderstood--did you mean it > is not effective because it is not easily controlled? The problem with homeopathy is that it causes your body to dump so many toxins that your liver and kidneys can't possibly keep up, and you end up with redistribution and making yourself much, much worse. For detox, one really needs to take substances which physically bind to the toxins and removes them in a safe, controlled manner. Homeopathy, on the other hand, is like opening a floodgate. Marc |
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Hi again, Marc,
I did not have my paperwork with me re the Memon products, but I went to find it when I read your price for the bio-pro chip. The "phone transformer" is $98.00 from Memon. Also, the combined cost is $3700, not near $5000 as I thought--but still more than I am comfortable about spending without a guarantee! The house "transformer" is $1938 up to 1350 sq feet; thewater "transformer" is $1028 up to 700 sq feet (recommended one by doctor) or $1578 up to 1350sq feet; and the car "transformer" $578. Diane --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:00 PM > > What are your thoughts--(don' t hold back. > > lol) Oh, and as for the Memon products, I have on experience with these (how unusual!), but the description of these sounds about the same as the BioPro chips. Also, I see that you can by a cellphone chip for about $150, which is far less than $5000, and would probably tell you whether or not they are beneficial for you: http://www.healthdu o.com/cellphoneh armony/orderform .php $150 isn't too bad for an EMF protection device... assuming it works for you... :-) Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> The house "transformer" is $1938 up to 1350 sq feet;
Those prices just seem too expensive -- a Quantum Home is only $300, and I suspect it has an equal chance of being as effective. And $3700 total? I've purchased a lot of EMF protection devices from a lot of companies over the years, but I doubt that I've spent that much total on *everything*. And as for what I use on daily basis, that makes my house and workplace tolerable probably costs less than $1000. And I tend to favor items that I can put in my pocket and take with me wherever I do, while this product line doesn't even seem to have such a product (?) But certainly if you try these products, I'll be interested in hearing your results. :-) I've become so jaded about EMF protection devices that I highly doubt that there is anything out there that is any better for me than what I'm already using now. Marc |
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Thanks, Marc,
Yes, I agree with that assessment of homeopathy completely and that was my experience. I did think I could make it work for me in particular situations--not as the homeopath was doing it, but as a more targeted and less toxic approach--taking one drop only of a targeted organ or mold, for instance. He used a drop which detoxed my bone marrow which was a horrific detox, but he also used a drop of candida, which I did not react extremely badly to. He also used one targeted for my kidneys and that helped my kidney without great problems. Had I used just the candida or just the kidney remedy, then that would have been something I could have handled. I can see doing limited homeopathy in conjunction with supplementation of liverand kidneys and frequent showers, clay,etc--just not as it was presented. You are right in that it made no provision for getting the toxins out of the body and had I been more prepared, I would have taken more steps to accomplish this myself. I spend 2 months a year detoxing candida--it could save me alot of time doing that. (I am on a maintainance protocol for candida.) Diane --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:19 PM > My family can't understand why > I don't want to go there! ($5000? They think I am just being too tight > and think that the $5000 is a fraction of what we might lose with the > house move, renovations to the new house, now I can't even go in the new > house......) If the filters solve all of your problems, then I agree, $5000 is much cheaper than moving. However, we have seen a wide range of reactions to filters -- there is no guarantee that *you* will react favorably to these. I also disagree with the comment that you won't know if they are helping you within 30 days. With the Quantum Products, I knew that they were helping me within 30 minutes! Same for every other EMF protection device that I've stuck with longterm. And frankly, we are all so sensitive that you can generally just purchase the cheapest item in the product line and try it out. That will usually indicate how you will do with the stronger, more expensive models. > My question is really, are these filters any > different than any other filters? The description and claims for these filters seem very familiar. They sound like they do (more or less) the same thing as Quantum Products, Springlife Polarizers, Tachyon products, etc. etc. All of which probably have an equal probability of solving your problem. > I value your thoughts on homeopathy, > too--you thought it was ineffective for detoxing. I was surprised by > that--I never had such a detox! Maybe I misunderstood- -did you mean it > is not effective because it is not easily controlled? The problem with homeopathy is that it causes your body to dump so many toxins that your liver and kidneys can't possibly keep up, and you end up with redistribution and making yourself much, much worse. For detox, one really needs to take substances which physically bind to the toxins and removes them in a safe, controlled manner. Homeopathy, on the other hand, is like opening a floodgate. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks so much, Marc,
This is exactly the kind of info I was looking for (also for info on how these filters--and all the various filters work!) I was most skeptical about the prices, but I was also concerned when the doctor said these filters filter everything! (This defies logic and anything I have heard thus far!) I am keeping your emails so my son and hubby, mom-in-law, etc, etc,can read them. Thanks again, Diane --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:40 PM > The house "transformer" is $1938 up to 1350 sq feet; Those prices just seem too expensive -- a Quantum Home is only $300, and I suspect it has an equal chance of being as effective. And $3700 total? I've purchased a lot of EMF protection devices from a lot of companies over the years, but I doubt that I've spent that much total on *everything* . And as for what I use on daily basis, that makes my house and workplace tolerable probably costs less than $1000. And I tend to favor items that I can put in my pocket and take with me wherever I do, while this product line doesn't even seem to have such a product (?) But certainly if you try these products, I'll be interested in hearing your results. :-) I've become so jaded about EMF protection devices that I highly doubt that there is anything out there that is any better for me than what I'm already using now. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> but I was also concerned when the doctor said these
> filters filter everything! (This defies logic and anything I have heard > thus far!) It's not that they are supposed to "filter" everything, it is that they are suppose to convert the EMF to be biologically neutral or even beneficial. There are a number of products out there that claim to do something similar, and I have tried several of them with varying results. Certainly they can be beneficial -- I wouldn't have been able to return to my job if they weren't! And certainly you can try a lot of products on the market for far less money than it would cost to sell your house and move! Marc |
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