Infrasound detector - does it exist?

The BioProtect card costs 21 Euro.

If you want ot spend a lot of money, I can deliver one to you for about
10.000 dollars. ;o)

The Memon products are developed for water, and they assume that it should
work for elektrosmog, which is not the case.

Detox by homeopathy takes too long.
For that I advise ionic foot spas.

It all was discussed many times and long ago overhere,

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Evie" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection



Hi again, All,

As you know from my recent posts, I have recently tried seeing a homeopath.
I didn't exactly know what to expect ahead of time and purposely did not
read up on it, since I wanted to be unbiased and without expectations. I
perhaps should have done some reading before taking the remedies, as I did
have very bad reactions to them. This is totally uncharacteristic of me--I
question everything usually--to the point that I drive my docs all crazy.
lol Anyway, that is water under the bridge now.

I had my follow-up appt by phone last week (since this doc is 7 hours
away--long story; suffice it to say I have heard he helps people with ES).
This doctor says he does not want to treat me further due to the severity of
my reactions, unless I buy these emf filter products he is selling which are
quite pricey and use them several months prior. (I got the impression that
he was not used to seeing this amount of reaction in his other patients and
he seemed quite alarmed--I emailed him a written list of which remedy/what
reactions and how long.... before our phone appt.) The filters cost close to
$5000.00 for all he wants me to get, which I cannot buy due to the money
situation at this time, but I could probably save up for. But I am wondering
how these work, whether any of you have heard of them, ...... What are your
thoughts--(don't hold back. lol) Here is the site which explains these:

http://www.healthduo.com/

I tried going to this site to read about them (not his site--he is just a
distributor), but they use streaming video at the site which wigs me out.
Couldn't get close to figuring out how these work, because my head was
aching so badly and I got so confused. So--beware if you react to streaming
video, this is not a site for you. I asked the doctor about return policy
and guarantee but he told me he could tell from my reactions to the remedies
that I would not know whether these filters would work for me within the 30
day warranty period, so that was a non-issue. He says they work and I should
take his word for it (I am inclined to since I have heard good things about
him, but I also know filters don't work for everyone here and there are only
certain emfs that filters work for.) He says they will initially make me
worse from detoxing metals, etc, from my body. But after a few months they
will keep emfs out of my house--even emfs not on our
wiring. (Really?) He wants me to buy one for my house, my water entry
pipes, my car, and my phone. I am trying to be positive here, but this
sounds too good to be true.

So, for those technically savvy (and not technically challenged, as I am),
what do you think? Do these appear to be anything different; do they act
like regular filters, will they remediate wiring and water flow emfs and
also outside emfs.....??? This doctor thinks I reacted so badly due to emfs
reacting with what I am detoxing, but I think I was reacting so badly
because I over-detoxed, period. (And, yes, that did make the emf situation
more uncomfortable even tho he warned me and I heeded his instructions to
unplug everything unpluggable, refrain from using all electronics,.....) My
point here is I got much worse even tho I took these precautions than I
usually am, so I am quite sure I over-detoxed.

I do not know whether I will continue homeopathy at this point, however, I
did think how effective one little drop under the tongue was--took me months
of supplementation to detox a fraction of a fraction of that same toxic crap
from my organs. I really feel if I continue, we need to go much slower and
only target one organ (1 drop)/every 1 to 3 months. I can see if we did that
and went really slow that this *might* work. I see it as a very effective
way to detox candida, for instance. Again, I welcome your ideas re
homeopathy, as well.

Thanks in advance,
Diane




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Hi diane
 
What you have described is exactly what I feel re the vibrating at night - almost as if radiaton is coming out of the mattress springs and making by whole body vibrate - a very uncomfortable feeling indeed. Like you I have been taking a daily vit B12 because I reckoned that the antacid medication the doctro put me on over the summer had depleted my Vitamin B12 levels - andI have noticed some improvements by taking it, but it never occurred to methat I might gain from taking a second one at night - I musty give it a go.. The really odd thing though is that I was googling vitamin B12 deficiency and one of the symptoms of it was "inability or decreased ability to feelvibrations" - I alomst laughed out loud when I read that - check it out tosee if I misread that!! I have also been thinking about doing a vitamin D and calcium experiment. At the minute I take 2 capsules of each in the morning after breakfast and I was wondering what would happen if I split
the dose - say 1 vit D and calcium after  breakfast and then the other lot after a light supper or snack in the evening which would mean there'dbe some in my system for longer periods [as opposed to  a charge after breakfast which would tail off] mind you I'm so happy with the effects I have had with the current regiment that I am loath to change it. I'll post back with the results if I do.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:34 PM






Sorry, there was a typo--I take a 1000mcg sublingual B12 supplement before bed.

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:17 PM

Hi all,
 
I recently realized that B12 seems to help me at night with emfs.  I usually take B12 in the daytime, so I was surprised to find that B12 works differently for me if I take it at night before bed!  I have the pesky problem of feeling like I am vibrating at night when I lay down or when I sit on a sofa with steel springs.  (I live directly across from a telephone substation which is the likely culprit and I am only about 100 feet away from a train track which sends me magnetic fields at night.  Oddly,in this house, I usually only have problems at night--my old house for those of you who know I am between houses.  If I am moving around during the day in my rubber shoes, I feel nothing except occasionally a slight magnetic feeling on my skin.  When I lay down to sleep, however, I vibrate.)  I have found that taking a sublingual B12 nugget (100mcg) just prior to going to bed helps me immensely!  I am able to relax better and the vibrating is gone
or barely noticeable.  I would like to hear from others with this problem who are able to try this to see if it helps them too.  (Otherwise,the only other changes I have made is the recent homeopathy-- none of which seemed to relax me, but did the opposite and incited worse vibration and inability to relax.)  Have we found something which will help the vibrating at night?  I hope so.

Hope this helps some of you, too,
Diane

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Hi Diane
 
I haven't looked at the link, I don't think I'd cope too well with the streaming video - I will google them though and see what comes up but for now all of my sceptical hackles are rising - first off he won't treat you unlessyou buy $5000 worth of products from him, to me feels like he is trying toexert some type of undue influence over someone vulnerable [in terms of their health status] who has come to him for help - I'd be feeling differently if he was offering this as a "option" for you to take up or not as you chose. Secondly I have recently been in contact with a electrical engineer who maintains that none of these products we talk about on this site [i mentioned several to him] can do anthing against EMFs because they are "passive"[his word] - I'm not 100% sure about that and I am sure there are plenty more on this site who could correct me [please do!! I need a bit of hope to hang on to] and lastly I am sure that there are other filter type
products out there which might do just as good a job as these at a fraction of the cost. I'd like to know more about his reasoning about the strengthof your reaction to his treatment and the link between that and the need for the filters which leads him to say that he doesn't want to treat you without them being in place - remember Diane everyone's constitution is different - and we have all gone through our lives absorbing and ingesting and being affected by different things so everyone is going to have a different reaction to anything they take - I reckon your idea was a good one, if you are going to go for more homeopathy try to target one organ at a time if youcan [which you could prepare yourself for in advance] rather than a whole body blitz which could leave you wiped out.
 
Hope this is of some help - but don't let anyone take advantage of you.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:30 PM







Hi again, All,
 
As you know from my recent posts, I have recently tried seeing a homeopath.  I didn't exactly know what to expect ahead of time and purposely didnot read up on it, since I wanted to be unbiased and without expectations.  I perhaps should have done some reading before taking the remedies, as I did have very bad reactions to them.  This is totally uncharacteristic of me--I question everything usually--to the point that I drive my docs all crazy.  lol  Anyway, that is water under the bridge now. 
 
I had my follow-up appt by phone last week (since this doc is 7 hours away--long story; suffice it to say I have heard he helps people with ES).  This doctor says he does not want to treat me further due to the severity of my reactions, unless I buy these emf filter products he is selling which are quite pricey and use them several months prior.  (I got the impression that he was not used to seeing this amount of reaction in his other patients and he seemed quite alarmed--I emailed him a written list of which remedy/what reactions and how long.... before our phone appt.)  The filters cost close to $5000.00 for all he wants me to get, which I cannot buy due to the money situation at this time, but I could probably save up for.  But I am wondering how these work, whether any of you have heard of them, ......  What are your thoughts--(don' t hold back.  lol)  Here is the site which explains these:
 
http://www.healthdu o.com/
 
I tried going to this site to read about them (not his site--he is just a distributor) , but they use streaming video at the site which wigs me out.  Couldn't get close to figuring out how these work, because my head was aching so badly and I got so confused.  So--beware if you react to streaming video, this is not a site for you.  I asked the doctor about return policy and guarantee but he told me he could tell from my reactions to the remedies that I would not know whether these filters would work for me within the 30 day warranty period, so that was a non-issue.  He says they work and I should take his word for it (I am inclined to since I have heard good things about him, but I also know filters don't workfor everyone here and there are only certain emfs that filters work for.)  He says they will initially make me worse from detoxing metals, etc,from my body.  But after a few months they will keep emfs out of my house--even emfs not on our
wiring.  (Really?)  He wants me to buy one for my house, my waterentry pipes, my car, and my phone.  I am trying to be positive here, but this sounds too good to be true.
 
So, for those technically savvy (and not technically challenged, as I am), what do you think?  Do these appear to be anything different; do they act like regular filters, will they remediate wiring and water flow emfs and also outside emfs.....???  This doctor thinks I reacted so badly dueto emfs reacting with what I am detoxing, but I think I was reacting so badly because I over-detoxed, period.  (And, yes, that did make theemf situation more uncomfortable even tho he warned me and I heeded his instructions to unplug everything unpluggable, refrain from using all electronics, .....)  My point here is I got much worse even tho I took these precautions than I usually am, so I am quite sure I over-detoxed. 
 
I do not know whether I will continue homeopathy at this point, however, I did think how effective one little drop under the tongue was--took me months of supplementation to detox a fraction of a fraction of that same toxic crap from my organs.  I really feel if I continue, we need togo much slower and only target one organ (1 drop)/every 1 to 3 months.  I can see if we did that and went really slow that this *might* work.  I see it as a very effective way to detox candida, for instance.  Again, I welcome your ideas re homeopathy, as well.
 
Thanks in advance,
Diane

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evie, it sounds as if this guy has a conflit of interest with his duty of care to you. That is something that I would seriously consider complaining about , god knows how much money he is taking from vulnerable and uninformedpeople. Not on in my book.
 
Ada

--- On Sat, 21/2/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 21 February, 2009, 11:15 PM






Hi Diane
 
I haven't looked at the link, I don't think I'd cope too well with the streaming video - I will google them though and see what comes up but for now all of my sceptical hackles are rising - first off he won't treat you unlessyou buy $5000 worth of products from him, to me feels like he is trying toexert some type of undue influence over someone vulnerable [in terms of their health status] who has come to him for help - I'd be feeling differently if he was offering this as a "option" for you to take up or not as you chose. Secondly I have recently been in contact with a electrical engineer who maintains that none of these products we talk about on this site [i mentioned several to him] can do anthing against EMFs because they are "passive"[his word] - I'm not 100% sure about that and I am sure there are plenty more on this site who could correct me [please do!! I need a bit of hope to hang on to] and lastly I am sure that there are other filter type
products out there which might do just as good a job as these at a fractionof the cost. I'd like to know more about his reasoning about the strength of your reaction to his treatment and the link between that and the need for the filters which leads him to say that he doesn't want to treat you without them being in place - remember Diane everyone's constitution is different - and we have all gone through our lives absorbing and ingesting and being affected by different things so everyone is going to have a different reaction to anything they take - I reckon your idea was a good one, if you are going to go for more homeopathy try to target one organ at a time if you can [which you could prepare yourself for in advance] rather than a whole body blitz which could leave you wiped out.
 
Hope this is of some help - but don't let anyone take advantage of you.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:30 PM

Hi again, All,
 
As you know from my recent posts, I have recently tried seeing a homeopath.  I didn't exactly know what to expect ahead of time and purposely didnot read up on it, since I wanted to be unbiased and without expectations.  I perhaps should have done some reading before taking the remedies, as I did have very bad reactions to them.  This is totally uncharacteristic of me--I question everything usually--to the point that I drive my docs all crazy.  lol  Anyway, that is water under the bridge now. 
 
I had my follow-up appt by phone last week (since this doc is 7 hours away--long story; suffice it to say I have heard he helps people with ES).  This doctor says he does not want to treat me further due to the severity of my reactions, unless I buy these emf filter products he is selling which are quite pricey and use them several months prior.  (I got the impression that he was not used to seeing this amount of reaction in his other patients and he seemed quite alarmed--I emailed him a written list of which remedy/what reactions and how long.... before our phone appt.)  The filters cost close to $5000.00 for all he wants me to get, which I cannot buy due to the money situation at this time, but I could probably save up for.  But I am wondering how these work, whether any of you have heard of them, ......  What are your thoughts--(don' t hold back.  lol)  Here is the site which explains these:
 
http://www.healthdu o.com/
 
I tried going to this site to read about them (not his site--he is just a distributor) , but they use streaming video at the site which wigs me out.  Couldn't get close to figuring out how these work, because my head was aching so badly and I got so confused.  So--beware if you react to streaming video, this is not a site for you.  I asked the doctor about return policy and guarantee but he told me he could tell from my reactions to the remedies that I would not know whether these filters would work for me within the 30 day warranty period, so that was a non-issue.  He says they work and I should take his word for it (I am inclined to since I have heard good things about him, but I also know filters don't workfor everyone here and there are only certain emfs that filters work for.)  He says they will initially make me worse from detoxing metals, etc,from my body.  But after a few months they will keep emfs out of my house--even emfs not on our
wiring.  (Really?)  He wants me to buy one for my house, my waterentry pipes, my car, and my phone.  I am trying to be positive here, but this sounds too good to be true.
 
So, for those technically savvy (and not technically challenged, as I am), what do you think?  Do these appear to be anything different; do they act like regular filters, will they remediate wiring and water flow emfs and also outside emfs.....???  This doctor thinks I reacted so badly dueto emfs reacting with what I am detoxing, but I think I was reacting so badly because I over-detoxed, period.  (And, yes, that did make theemf situation more uncomfortable even tho he warned me and I heeded his instructions to unplug everything unpluggable, refrain from using all electronics, .....)  My point here is I got much worse even tho I took these precautions than I usually am, so I am quite sure I over-detoxed. 
 
I do not know whether I will continue homeopathy at this point, however, I did think how effective one little drop under the tongue was--took me months of supplementation to detox a fraction of a fraction of that same toxic crap from my organs.  I really feel if I continue, we need togo much slower and only target one organ (1 drop)/every 1 to 3 months.  I can see if we did that and went really slow that this *might* work.  I see it as a very effective way to detox candida, for instance.  Again, I welcome your ideas re homeopathy, as well.
 
Thanks in advance,
Diane

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Ada
 
You said exactly what I was thinking - I couldn't be more in agreement withyou.
 
Regards
 
Steph

--- On Sat, 21/2/09, ada iye <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 21 February, 2009, 12:40 PM






evie, it sounds as if this guy has a conflit of interest with his duty of care to you. That is something that I would seriously consider complaining about , god knows how much money he is taking from vulnerable and uninformedpeople. Not on in my book.
 
Ada

--- On Sat, 21/2/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 21 February, 2009, 11:15 PM

Hi Diane
 
I haven't looked at the link, I don't think I'd cope too well with the streaming video - I will google them though and see what comes up but for now all of my sceptical hackles are rising - first off he won't treat you unlessyou buy $5000 worth of products from him, to me feels like he is trying toexert some type of undue influence over someone vulnerable [in terms of their health status] who has come to him for help - I'd be feeling differently if he was offering this as a "option" for you to take up or not as you chose. Secondly I have recently been in contact with a electrical engineer who maintains that none of these products we talk about on this site [i mentioned several to him] can do anthing against EMFs because they are "passive"[his word] - I'm not 100% sure about that and I am sure there are plenty more on this site who could correct me [please do!! I need a bit of hope to hang on to] and lastly I am sure that there are other filter type
products out there which might do just as good a job as these at a fractionof the cost. I'd like to know more about his reasoning about the strength of your reaction to his treatment and the link between that and the need for the filters which leads him to say that he doesn't want to treat you without them being in place - remember Diane everyone's constitution is different - and we have all gone through our lives absorbing and ingesting and being affected by different things so everyone is going to have a different reaction to anything they take - I reckon your idea was a good one, if you are going to go for more homeopathy try to target one organ at a time if you can [which you could prepare yourself for in advance] rather than a whole body blitz which could leave you wiped out.
 
Hope this is of some help - but don't let anyone take advantage of you.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:30 PM

Hi again, All,
 
As you know from my recent posts, I have recently tried seeing a homeopath.  I didn't exactly know what to expect ahead of time and purposely didnot read up on it, since I wanted to be unbiased and without expectations.  I perhaps should have done some reading before taking the remedies, as I did have very bad reactions to them.  This is totally uncharacteristic of me--I question everything usually--to the point that I drive my docs all crazy.  lol  Anyway, that is water under the bridge now. 
 
I had my follow-up appt by phone last week (since this doc is 7 hours away--long story; suffice it to say I have heard he helps people with ES).  This doctor says he does not want to treat me further due to the severity of my reactions, unless I buy these emf filter products he is selling which are quite pricey and use them several months prior.  (I got the impression that he was not used to seeing this amount of reaction in his other patients and he seemed quite alarmed--I emailed him a written list of which remedy/what reactions and how long.... before our phone appt.)  The filters cost close to $5000.00 for all he wants me to get, which I cannot buy due to the money situation at this time, but I could probably save up for.  But I am wondering how these work, whether any of you have heard of them, ......  What are your thoughts--(don' t hold back.  lol)  Here is the site which explains these:
 
http://www.healthdu o.com/
 
I tried going to this site to read about them (not his site--he is just a distributor) , but they use streaming video at the site which wigs me out.  Couldn't get close to figuring out how these work, because my head was aching so badly and I got so confused.  So--beware if you react to streaming video, this is not a site for you.  I asked the doctor about return policy and guarantee but he told me he could tell from my reactions to the remedies that I would not know whether these filters would work for me within the 30 day warranty period, so that was a non-issue.  He says they work and I should take his word for it (I am inclined to since I have heard good things about him, but I also know filters don't workfor everyone here and there are only certain emfs that filters work for.)  He says they will initially make me worse from detoxing metals, etc,from my body.  But after a few months they will keep emfs out of my house--even emfs not on our
wiring.  (Really?)  He wants me to buy one for my house, my waterentry pipes, my car, and my phone.  I am trying to be positive here, but this sounds too good to be true.
 
So, for those technically savvy (and not technically challenged, as I am), what do you think?  Do these appear to be anything different; do they act like regular filters, will they remediate wiring and water flow emfs and also outside emfs.....???  This doctor thinks I reacted so badly dueto emfs reacting with what I am detoxing, but I think I was reacting so badly because I over-detoxed, period.  (And, yes, that did make theemf situation more uncomfortable even tho he warned me and I heeded his instructions to unplug everything unpluggable, refrain from using all electronics, .....)  My point here is I got much worse even tho I took these precautions than I usually am, so I am quite sure I over-detoxed. 
 
I do not know whether I will continue homeopathy at this point, however, I did think how effective one little drop under the tongue was--took me months of supplementation to detox a fraction of a fraction of that same toxic crap from my organs.  I really feel if I continue, we need togo much slower and only target one organ (1 drop)/every 1 to 3 months.  I can see if we did that and went really slow that this *might* work.  I see it as a very effective way to detox candida, for instance.  Again, I welcome your ideas re homeopathy, as well.
 
Thanks in advance,
Diane

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Diane
 
Re the guarantee - If this doctor has told you that you won't know within the first 30 days whether these products will help you why then is he not prepared to extend the guarantee until the end of whatever period you do needto decide whether you want to keep them, especially since it is his view that you will have to go beyond the 30 day period before you know whether they are doing anything or not. Try putting that suggestion to him and if he isn't prepared to be flexible then it would suggest to me that his guarantee isn't worth anything and would be something else that makes me suspicious. If he had any confidence at all in his product I think he should be comfortable in giving a 60 or 90 day guarantee.
 
$3700 is a big amount of money to shell out for something which could end up being a white elephant. It is one thing to spend maybe $30 or $50 or even$100 on a product, give it a try and if you find after the guarantee has expired that it starts to cause a negtative reaction  then you switch it off or shelve it and shrug your shoulders - these things happen -but $3700 is too much to shrug your shoulders over.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 9:30 PM






Hi again, Marc,
 
I did not have my paperwork with me re the Memon products, but I went to find it when I read your price for the bio-pro chip.  The "phone transformer" is $98.00 from Memon.  Also, the combined cost is $3700, not near $5000 as I thought--but still more than I am comfortable about spending without a guarantee!  The house "transformer" is $1938 up to 1350 sq feet; the water "transformer" is $1028 up to 700 sq feet (recommended one by doctor) or $1578 up to 1350sq feet; and the car "transformer" $578.
 
Diane

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:00 PM

> > What are your thoughts--(don' t hold back.
> > lol)

Oh, and as for the Memon products, I have on experience
with these (how unusual!), but the description of these
sounds about the same as the BioPro chips. Also, I see
that you can by a cellphone chip for about $150, which
is far less than $5000, and would probably tell you
whether or not they are beneficial for you:

http://www.healthdu o.com/cellphoneh armony/orderform .php

$150 isn't too bad for an EMF protection device... assuming
it works for you... :-)

Marc

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People can of course even hear microwaves in the GHz range if modulated with
audible frequencies. The bandwidth of LORAN-C is 10 or 20 kHz, so
plenty of room for modulation (indeed I think the system relies on
beat frequencies for navigation?).

A funny thing happened a couple nights ago. I was hearing such a hum,
a very low vibration with a modulation of around 1 Hz. Then it occurred to
me that the sound might be what my own heartbeat might sound like if
I was underwater. As I listened carefully, considering this, I suddenly
heard instead a different sound that was clearly my heart beat. It was as
though something relaxed in me somewhere and changed what was happening.
I can't explain it, but result was very positive for me, so others might
benefit.

Bill

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In a message dated 2/21/2009 4:37:49 P.M. GMT Standard Time,
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me that the sound might be what my own heartbeat might sound like if
I was underwater. As I listened carefully, considering this, I suddenly
heard instead a different sound that was clearly my heart beat. It was as
though something relaxed in me somewhere and changed what was happening.
I can't explain it, but result was very positive for me, so others might
benefit.



sounds like the beginning of some meditative state, that said
Quantum effects, entrainment come to mind, I suppose it can be good and bad,
but my concerns lie with chronic exposure from multiple scources in the home
leading to entrainment of the heart muscle so that when you are removed from
the signals that you have become acustomed to you may then be at risk of
sudden heart problems and so on, of course if your heart and other systems
resist the artificial signals then strain will take place until any congenital
weakness is exploited and the subject will suffer sudden failure as well pr
perhaps a slow decent into such a condition.
PUK



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Thanks, Charles! 
Sorry I am reading posts out of order, somewhat, and I am just getting to this older post.  I appreciate your info on the Memon water vs electrosmogcomment.  This was exactly the info I was looking for.  Thanks, Diane

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 4:19 AM






The BioProtect card costs 21 Euro.

If you want ot spend a lot of money, I can deliver one to you for about
10.000 dollars. ;o)

The Memon products are developed for water, and they assume that it should
work for elektrosmog, which is not the case.

Detox by homeopathy takes too long.
For that I advise ionic foot spas.

It all was discussed many times and long ago overhere,

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Evie" <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection

Hi again, All,

As you know from my recent posts, I have recently tried seeing a homeopath.
I didn't exactly know what to expect ahead of time and purposely did not
read up on it, since I wanted to be unbiased and without expectations. I
perhaps should have done some reading before taking the remedies, as I did
have very bad reactions to them. This is totally uncharacteristic of me--I
question everything usually--to the point that I drive my docs all crazy.
lol Anyway, that is water under the bridge now.

I had my follow-up appt by phone last week (since this doc is 7 hours
away--long story; suffice it to say I have heard he helps people with ES).
This doctor says he does not want to treat me further due to the severity of
my reactions, unless I buy these emf filter products he is selling which are
quite pricey and use them several months prior. (I got the impression that
he was not used to seeing this amount of reaction in his other patients and
he seemed quite alarmed--I emailed him a written list of which remedy/what
reactions and how long.... before our phone appt.) The filters cost close to
$5000.00 for all he wants me to get, which I cannot buy due to the money
situation at this time, but I could probably save up for. But I am wondering
how these work, whether any of you have heard of them, ...... What are your
thoughts--(don' t hold back. lol) Here is the site which explains these:

http://www.healthdu o.com/

I tried going to this site to read about them (not his site--he is just a
distributor) , but they use streaming video at the site which wigs me out.
Couldn't get close to figuring out how these work, because my head was
aching so badly and I got so confused. So--beware if you react to streaming
video, this is not a site for you. I asked the doctor about return policy
and guarantee but he told me he could tell from my reactions to the remedies
that I would not know whether these filters would work for me within the 30
day warranty period, so that was a non-issue. He says they work and I should
take his word for it (I am inclined to since I have heard good things about
him, but I also know filters don't work for everyone here and there are only
certain emfs that filters work for.) He says they will initially make me
worse from detoxing metals, etc, from my body. But after a few months they
will keep emfs out of my house--even emfs not on our
wiring. (Really?) He wants me to buy one for my house, my water entry
pipes, my car, and my phone. I am trying to be positive here, but this
sounds too good to be true.

So, for those technically savvy (and not technically challenged, as I am),
what do you think? Do these appear to be anything different; do they act
like regular filters, will they remediate wiring and water flow emfs and
also outside emfs.....??? This doctor thinks I reacted so badly due to emfs
reacting with what I am detoxing, but I think I was reacting so badly
because I over-detoxed, period. (And, yes, that did make the emf situation
more uncomfortable even tho he warned me and I heeded his instructions to
unplug everything unpluggable, refrain from using all electronics, .....) My
point here is I got much worse even tho I took these precautions than I
usually am, so I am quite sure I over-detoxed.

I do not know whether I will continue homeopathy at this point, however, I
did think how effective one little drop under the tongue was--took me months
of supplementation to detox a fraction of a fraction of that same toxic crap
from my organs. I really feel if I continue, we need to go much slower and
only target one organ (1 drop)/every 1 to 3 months. I can see if we did that
and went really slow that this *might* work. I see it as a very effective
way to detox candida, for instance. Again, I welcome your ideas re
homeopathy, as well.

Thanks in advance,
Diane

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Hello Diane,

if you find 10.000 $ for a BioProtect card too much, I can deliver one for $
5.000.
I am even willing to deliver one for a meager $1.000, all taxes included.
;o)
;o)

Lol.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender

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From: "Evie" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection


Thanks, Charles!
Sorry I am reading posts out of order, somewhat, and I am just getting to
this older post. I appreciate your info on the Memon water vs electrosmog
comment. This was exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks, Diane

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 4:19 AM






The BioProtect card costs 21 Euro.

If you want ot spend a lot of money, I can deliver one to you for about
10.000 dollars. ;o)

The Memon products are developed for water, and they assume that it should
work for elektrosmog, which is not the case.

Detox by homeopathy takes too long.
For that I advise ionic foot spas.

It all was discussed many times and long ago overhere,

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Evie" <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection

Hi again, All,

As you know from my recent posts, I have recently tried seeing a homeopath.
I didn't exactly know what to expect ahead of time and purposely did not
read up on it, since I wanted to be unbiased and without expectations. I
perhaps should have done some reading before taking the remedies, as I did
have very bad reactions to them. This is totally uncharacteristic of me--I
question everything usually--to the point that I drive my docs all crazy.
lol Anyway, that is water under the bridge now.

I had my follow-up appt by phone last week (since this doc is 7 hours
away--long story; suffice it to say I have heard he helps people with ES).
This doctor says he does not want to treat me further due to the severity of
my reactions, unless I buy these emf filter products he is selling which are
quite pricey and use them several months prior. (I got the impression that
he was not used to seeing this amount of reaction in his other patients and
he seemed quite alarmed--I emailed him a written list of which remedy/what
reactions and how long.... before our phone appt.) The filters cost close to
$5000.00 for all he wants me to get, which I cannot buy due to the money
situation at this time, but I could probably save up for. But I am wondering
how these work, whether any of you have heard of them, ...... What are your
thoughts--(don' t hold back. lol) Here is the site which explains these:

http://www.healthdu o.com/

I tried going to this site to read about them (not his site--he is just a
distributor) , but they use streaming video at the site which wigs me out.
Couldn't get close to figuring out how these work, because my head was
aching so badly and I got so confused. So--beware if you react to streaming
video, this is not a site for you. I asked the doctor about return policy
and guarantee but he told me he could tell from my reactions to the remedies
that I would not know whether these filters would work for me within the 30
day warranty period, so that was a non-issue. He says they work and I should
take his word for it (I am inclined to since I have heard good things about
him, but I also know filters don't work for everyone here and there are only
certain emfs that filters work for.) He says they will initially make me
worse from detoxing metals, etc, from my body. But after a few months they
will keep emfs out of my house--even emfs not on our
wiring. (Really?) He wants me to buy one for my house, my water entry
pipes, my car, and my phone. I am trying to be positive here, but this
sounds too good to be true.

So, for those technically savvy (and not technically challenged, as I am),
what do you think? Do these appear to be anything different; do they act
like regular filters, will they remediate wiring and water flow emfs and
also outside emfs.....??? This doctor thinks I reacted so badly due to emfs
reacting with what I am detoxing, but I think I was reacting so badly
because I over-detoxed, period. (And, yes, that did make the emf situation
more uncomfortable even tho he warned me and I heeded his instructions to
unplug everything unpluggable, refrain from using all electronics, .....) My
point here is I got much worse even tho I took these precautions than I
usually am, so I am quite sure I over-detoxed.

I do not know whether I will continue homeopathy at this point, however, I
did think how effective one little drop under the tongue was--took me months
of supplementation to detox a fraction of a fraction of that same toxic crap
from my organs. I really feel if I continue, we need to go much slower and
only target one organ (1 drop)/every 1 to 3 months. I can see if we did that
and went really slow that this *might* work. I see it as a very effective
way to detox candida, for instance. Again, I welcome your ideas re
homeopathy, as well.

Thanks in advance,
Diane

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Hi, Stephanie,
 
I did not mean to take a second one at night, but to take the supplement only at night.  (Antiacids are bad stuff!  Stay away from them, they onlyexacerbate the digestive problems you are trying to get rid of!)  Of course, whether you take 2 X or once should depend on how much each tablet contains.  One can take a good bit of B12, but understand it does accummulate unlike alot of nutrients which you just urinate out hours after you take them.  That is funny about the B12 connection to vibration--I was not conscious of the connection, tho I have read enough about nutrients that I would likely have read this more than once if there were a connection!  lol  An example of how my brain is like a sieve.  ;)
 
Re the splitting the D3 and calcium.  I think it is always a good thing to split doses.  You might find you do better to split the D and just add more calcium to your dinner dose, tho (look up calcium and see whether you are near upper limits).  I suspect we need more nutrients, and more calcium in particular, than normal people.  (But I am not saying we should take more than the upper recommended doses of nutrients, esp those which store in the body--such as A, D....)
 
There is a neurologist who does cutting edge gluten intolerance research who I highly recommend in the UK for that (re another post where you mention looking into that).  Not sure where he is located, but you can find out by googling:  Dr. Hadjivassiliou (I think his first name is Mario or Marios?)  If you can't find him by googling his name, try googling "Dr. Hadjivassiliou and gluten intolerance"--alot of his research pops up.  He is also the Dr. who found that a gene exists for tight junction permeability. (I personally follow the theory that it is tj permeability which allows usto react to ES; so he would be a GREAT doctor to see for gluten intolerance if you are close enough to see him.  He may not even be aware that former research exists that suggest there might be a connection with tjs and ES.) 
 
Diane 

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 6:49 AM






Hi diane
 
What you have described is exactly what I feel re the vibrating at night - almost as if radiaton is coming out of the mattress springs and making by whole body vibrate - a very uncomfortable feeling indeed. Like you I have been taking a daily vit B12 because I reckoned that the antacid medication the doctro put me on over the summer had depleted my Vitamin B12 levels - andI have noticed some improvements by taking it, but it never occurred to methat I might gain from taking a second one at night - I musty give it a go.. The really odd thing though is that I was googling vitamin B12 deficiency and one of the symptoms of it was "inability or decreased ability to feelvibrations" - I alomst laughed out loud when I read that - check it out tosee if I misread that!! I have also been thinking about doing a vitamin D and calcium experiment. At the minute I take 2 capsules of each in the morning after breakfast and I was wondering what would happen if I split
the dose - say 1 vit D and calcium after  breakfast and then the other lot after a light supper or snack in the evening which would mean there'd be some in my system for longer periods [as opposed to  a charge after breakfast which would tail off] mind you I'm so happy with the effects I have had with the current regiment that I am loath to change it. I'll post back with the results if I do.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:34 PM

Sorry, there was a typo--I take a 1000mcg sublingual B12 supplement before bed.

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:17 PM

Hi all,
 
I recently realized that B12 seems to help me at night with emfs.  I usually take B12 in the daytime, so I was surprised to find that B12 works differently for me if I take it at night before bed!  I have the pesky problem of feeling like I am vibrating at night when I lay down or when I sit on a sofa with steel springs.  (I live directly across from a telephone substation which is the likely culprit and I am only about 100 feet away from atrain track which sends me magnetic fields at night.  Oddly, in this house, I usually only have problems at night--my old house for those of you who know I am between houses.  If I am moving around during the day in my rubber shoes, I feel nothing except occasionally a slight magnetic feelingon my skin.  When I lay down to sleep, however, I vibrate.)  I have found that taking a sublingual B12 nugget (100mcg) just prior to going to bedhelps me immensely!  I am able to relax better and the vibrating is gone
or barely noticeable.  I would like to hear from others with this problemwho are able to try this to see if it helps them too.  (Otherwise, the only other changes I have made is the recent homeopathy-- none of which seemed to relax me, but did the opposite and incited worse vibration and inability to relax.)  Have we found something which will help the vibratingat night?  I hope so.

Hope this helps some of you, too,
Diane

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Hi, Steph,
 
Thanks for your input.  I don't intend to let anyone take advantage of meand I was previous to my post re Memon aware that it felt like I was being played.  My family bought in to this entirely, mainly because they arenot the ones here reading posts everyday, and seeing how many emf "helps" do not work!  But I did promise them I'd remain objective and find out more about these "tranformers".  I bend over backwards sometimes to remain "objective", but I am not stupid.  (Well, not often--I was stupid for notreading up on the homeopathic before taking the remedies.  If I had, I would have still tried them, but I would have set more limits and I would have prepared myself better for the detoxing about to take place.  As it was, I did actually set some limits--he wanted to treat me for lyme and I refused to take the remedy, saying I wanted to let it go to another time.  My lyme (if I even have it--I have never been convinced) is in remission; I
like leaving sleeping dogs lie.  lol). 
 
Thanks again, tho, for your input, Steph,
Diane

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 7:15 AM






Hi Diane
 
I haven't looked at the link, I don't think I'd cope too well with the streaming video - I will google them though and see what comes up but for now all of my sceptical hackles are rising - first off he won't treat you unlessyou buy $5000 worth of products from him, to me feels like he is trying toexert some type of undue influence over someone vulnerable [in terms of their health status] who has come to him for help - I'd be feeling differently if he was offering this as a "option" for you to take up or not as you chose. Secondly I have recently been in contact with a electrical engineer who maintains that none of these products we talk about on this site [i mentioned several to him] can do anthing against EMFs because they are "passive"[his word] - I'm not 100% sure about that and I am sure there are plenty more on this site who could correct me [please do!! I need a bit of hope to hang on to] and lastly I am sure that there are other filter type
products out there which might do just as good a job as these at a fractionof the cost. I'd like to know more about his reasoning about the strength of your reaction to his treatment and the link between that and the need for the filters which leads him to say that he doesn't want to treat you without them being in place - remember Diane everyone's constitution is different - and we have all gone through our lives absorbing and ingesting and being affected by different things so everyone is going to have a different reaction to anything they take - I reckon your idea was a good one, if you are going to go for more homeopathy try to target one organ at a time if you can [which you could prepare yourself for in advance] rather than a whole body blitz which could leave you wiped out.
 
Hope this is of some help - but don't let anyone take advantage of you.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:30 PM

Hi again, All,
 
As you know from my recent posts, I have recently tried seeing a homeopath.  I didn't exactly know what to expect ahead of time and purposely did not read up on it, since I wanted to be unbiased and without expectations. I perhaps should have done some reading before taking the remedies, as I did have very bad reactions to them.  This is totally uncharacteristic of me--I question everything usually--to the point that I drive my docs all crazy.  lol  Anyway, that is water under the bridge now. 
 
I had my follow-up appt by phone last week (since this doc is 7 hours away--long story; suffice it to say I have heard he helps people with ES).  This doctor says he does not want to treat me further due to the severity of my reactions, unless I buy these emf filter products he is selling which are quite pricey and use them several months prior.  (I got the impression that he was not used to seeing this amount of reaction in his other patients and he seemed quite alarmed--I emailed him a written list of which remedy/what reactions and how long.... before our phone appt.)  The filters cost close to $5000.00 for all he wants me to get, which I cannot buy due to the money situation at this time, but I could probably save up for.  But I am wondering how these work, whether any of you have heard of them, ......  What are your thoughts--(don' t hold back.  lol)  Here is the site which explains these:
 
http://www.healthdu o.com/
 
I tried going to this site to read about them (not his site--he is just adistributor) , but they use streaming video at the site which wigs me out.  Couldn't get close to figuring out how these work, because my head was aching so badly and I got so confused.  So--beware if you react to streaming video, this is not a site for you.  I asked the doctor about returnpolicy and guarantee but he told me he could tell from my reactions to theremedies that I would not know whether these filters would work for me within the 30 day warranty period, so that was a non-issue.  He says they work and I should take his word for it (I am inclined to since I have heard good things about him, but I also know filters don't work for everyone here and there are only certain emfs that filters work for.)  He says they will initially make me worse from detoxing metals, etc, from my body.  But after a few months they will keep emfs out of my house--even emfs not on our
wiring.  (Really?)  He wants me to buy one for my house, my water entrypipes, my car, and my phone.  I am trying to be positive here, but this sounds too good to be true.
 
So, for those technically savvy (and not technically challenged, as I am), what do you think?  Do these appear to be anything different; do they actlike regular filters, will they remediate wiring and water flow emfs and also outside emfs.....???  This doctor thinks I reacted so badly due to emfs reacting with what I am detoxing, but I think I was reacting so badly because I over-detoxed, period.  (And, yes, that did make the emf situation more uncomfortable even tho he warned me and I heeded his instructions to unplug everything unpluggable, refrain from using all electronics, .....)  My point here is I got much worse even tho I took these precautions than I usually am, so I am quite sure I over-detoxed. 
 
I do not know whether I will continue homeopathy at this point, however, I did think how effective one little drop under the tongue was--took me months of supplementation to detox a fraction of a fraction of that same toxiccrap from my organs.  I really feel if I continue, we need to go much slower and only target one organ (1 drop)/every 1 to 3 months.  I can seeif we did that and went really slow that this *might* work.  I see it asa very effective way to detox candida, for instance.  Again, I welcome your ideas re homeopathy, as well.
 
Thanks in advance,
Diane

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Thanks, Ada,
 
Yes, I considered that, as well.  Seems like not a good way to do business. 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, ada iye <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: ada iye <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 7:40 AM






evie, it sounds as if this guy has a conflit of interest with his duty of care to you. That is something that I would seriously consider complaining about , god knows how much money he is taking from vulnerable and uninformedpeople. Not on in my book.
 
Ada

--- On Sat, 21/2/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 21 February, 2009, 11:15 PM

Hi Diane
 
I haven't looked at the link, I don't think I'd cope too well with the streaming video - I will google them though and see what comes up but for now all of my sceptical hackles are rising - first off he won't treat you unlessyou buy $5000 worth of products from him, to me feels like he is trying toexert some type of undue influence over someone vulnerable [in terms of their health status] who has come to him for help - I'd be feeling differently if he was offering this as a "option" for you to take up or not as you chose. Secondly I have recently been in contact with a electrical engineer who maintains that none of these products we talk about on this site [i mentioned several to him] can do anthing against EMFs because they are "passive"[his word] - I'm not 100% sure about that and I am sure there are plenty more on this site who could correct me [please do!! I need a bit of hope to hang on to] and lastly I am sure that there are other filter type
products out there which might do just as good a job as these at a fractionof the cost. I'd like to know more about his reasoning about the strength of your reaction to his treatment and the link between that and the need for the filters which leads him to say that he doesn't want to treat you without them being in place - remember Diane everyone's constitution is different - and we have all gone through our lives absorbing and ingesting and being affected by different things so everyone is going to have a different reaction to anything they take - I reckon your idea was a good one, if you are going to go for more homeopathy try to target one organ at a time if you can [which you could prepare yourself for in advance] rather than a whole body blitz which could leave you wiped out.
 
Hope this is of some help - but don't let anyone take advantage of you.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:30 PM

Hi again, All,
 
As you know from my recent posts, I have recently tried seeing a homeopath.  I didn't exactly know what to expect ahead of time and purposely did not read up on it, since I wanted to be unbiased and without expectations. I perhaps should have done some reading before taking the remedies, as I did have very bad reactions to them.  This is totally uncharacteristic of me--I question everything usually--to the point that I drive my docs all crazy.  lol  Anyway, that is water under the bridge now. 
 
I had my follow-up appt by phone last week (since this doc is 7 hours away--long story; suffice it to say I have heard he helps people with ES).  This doctor says he does not want to treat me further due to the severity of my reactions, unless I buy these emf filter products he is selling which are quite pricey and use them several months prior.  (I got the impression that he was not used to seeing this amount of reaction in his other patients and he seemed quite alarmed--I emailed him a written list of which remedy/what reactions and how long.... before our phone appt.)  The filters cost close to $5000.00 for all he wants me to get, which I cannot buy due to the money situation at this time, but I could probably save up for.  But I am wondering how these work, whether any of you have heard of them, ......  What are your thoughts--(don' t hold back.  lol)  Here is the site which explains these:
 
http://www.healthdu o.com/
 
I tried going to this site to read about them (not his site--he is just adistributor) , but they use streaming video at the site which wigs me out.  Couldn't get close to figuring out how these work, because my head was aching so badly and I got so confused.  So--beware if you react to streaming video, this is not a site for you.  I asked the doctor about returnpolicy and guarantee but he told me he could tell from my reactions to theremedies that I would not know whether these filters would work for me within the 30 day warranty period, so that was a non-issue.  He says they work and I should take his word for it (I am inclined to since I have heard good things about him, but I also know filters don't work for everyone here and there are only certain emfs that filters work for.)  He says they will initially make me worse from detoxing metals, etc, from my body.  But after a few months they will keep emfs out of my house--even emfs not on our
wiring.  (Really?)  He wants me to buy one for my house, my water entrypipes, my car, and my phone.  I am trying to be positive here, but this sounds too good to be true.
 
So, for those technically savvy (and not technically challenged, as I am), what do you think?  Do these appear to be anything different; do they actlike regular filters, will they remediate wiring and water flow emfs and also outside emfs.....???  This doctor thinks I reacted so badly due to emfs reacting with what I am detoxing, but I think I was reacting so badly because I over-detoxed, period.  (And, yes, that did make the emf situation more uncomfortable even tho he warned me and I heeded his instructions to unplug everything unpluggable, refrain from using all electronics, .....)  My point here is I got much worse even tho I took these precautions than I usually am, so I am quite sure I over-detoxed. 
 
I do not know whether I will continue homeopathy at this point, however, I did think how effective one little drop under the tongue was--took me months of supplementation to detox a fraction of a fraction of that same toxiccrap from my organs.  I really feel if I continue, we need to go much slower and only target one organ (1 drop)/every 1 to 3 months.  I can seeif we did that and went really slow that this *might* work.  I see it asa very effective way to detox candida, for instance.  Again, I welcome your ideas re homeopathy, as well.
 
Thanks in advance,
Diane

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Hi again, Steph,
 
Exactly--this was what tipped me off.  If his regard was truly my health and not my money, why isn't he backing these products???  I couldn't see a reason for this.  I mentioned to him I know many other ESers, so one would think it would occur to him that if this worked for me, I'd be telling all of my ES friends and singing his praises, internationally and online! 
 
Diane

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 10:58 AM






Diane
 
Re the guarantee - If this doctor has told you that you won't know within the first 30 days whether these products will help you why then is he not prepared to extend the guarantee until the end of whatever period you do needto decide whether you want to keep them, especially since it is his view that you will have to go beyond the 30 day period before you know whether they are doing anything or not. Try putting that suggestion to him and if he isn't prepared to be flexible then it would suggest to me that his guarantee isn't worth anything and would be something else that makes me suspicious. If he had any confidence at all in his product I think he should be comfortable in giving a 60 or 90 day guarantee.
 
$3700 is a big amount of money to shell out for something which could end up being a white elephant. It is one thing to spend maybe $30 or $50 or even$100 on a product, give it a try and if you find after the guarantee has expired that it starts to cause a negtative reaction  then you switch it off or shelve it and shrug your shoulders - these things happen -but $3700 is too much to shrug your shoulders over.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 9:30 PM

Hi again, Marc,
 
I did not have my paperwork with me re the Memon products, but I went to find it when I read your price for the bio-pro chip.  The "phone transformer" is $98.00 from Memon.  Also, the combined cost is $3700, not near $5000 as I thought--but still more than I am comfortable about spending without a guarantee!  The house "transformer" is $1938 up to 1350 sq feet; thewater "transformer" is $1028 up to 700 sq feet (recommended one by doctor) or $1578 up to 1350sq feet; and the car "transformer" $578.
 
Diane

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 4:00 PM

> > What are your thoughts--(don' t hold back.
> > lol)

Oh, and as for the Memon products, I have on experience
with these (how unusual!), but the description of these
sounds about the same as the BioPro chips. Also, I see
that you can by a cellphone chip for about $150, which
is far less than $5000, and would probably tell you
whether or not they are beneficial for you:

http://www.healthdu o.com/cellphoneh armony/orderform .php

$150 isn't too bad for an EMF protection device... assuming
it works for you... :-)

Marc

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Lololol, Charles,
 
Now, now; we can't get too off-topic here!  lol 
 
Diane

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From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 12:19 PM






Hello Diane,

if you find 10.000 $ for a BioProtect card too much, I can deliver one for $
5.000.
I am even willing to deliver one for a meager $1.000, all taxes included.
;o)
;o)

Lol.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
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From: "Evie" <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection

Thanks, Charles!
Sorry I am reading posts out of order, somewhat, and I am just getting to
this older post. I appreciate your info on the Memon water vs electrosmog
comment. This was exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks, Diane

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be> wrote:

From: charles <charles@milieuziekt es.be>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 4:19 AM

The BioProtect card costs 21 Euro.

If you want ot spend a lot of money, I can deliver one to you for about
10.000 dollars. ;o)

The Memon products are developed for water, and they assume that it should
work for elektrosmog, which is not the case.

Detox by homeopathy takes too long.
For that I advise ionic foot spas.

It all was discussed many times and long ago overhere,

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
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From: "Evie" <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection

Hi again, All,

As you know from my recent posts, I have recently tried seeing a homeopath.
I didn't exactly know what to expect ahead of time and purposely did not
read up on it, since I wanted to be unbiased and without expectations. I
perhaps should have done some reading before taking the remedies, as I did
have very bad reactions to them. This is totally uncharacteristic of me--I
question everything usually--to the point that I drive my docs all crazy.
lol Anyway, that is water under the bridge now.

I had my follow-up appt by phone last week (since this doc is 7 hours
away--long story; suffice it to say I have heard he helps people with ES).
This doctor says he does not want to treat me further due to the severity of
my reactions, unless I buy these emf filter products he is selling which are
quite pricey and use them several months prior. (I got the impression that
he was not used to seeing this amount of reaction in his other patients and
he seemed quite alarmed--I emailed him a written list of which remedy/what
reactions and how long.... before our phone appt.) The filters cost close to
$5000.00 for all he wants me to get, which I cannot buy due to the money
situation at this time, but I could probably save up for. But I am wondering
how these work, whether any of you have heard of them, ...... What are your
thoughts--(don' t hold back. lol) Here is the site which explains these:

http://www.healthdu o.com/

I tried going to this site to read about them (not his site--he is just a
distributor) , but they use streaming video at the site which wigs me out.
Couldn't get close to figuring out how these work, because my head was
aching so badly and I got so confused. So--beware if you react to streaming
video, this is not a site for you. I asked the doctor about return policy
and guarantee but he told me he could tell from my reactions to the remedies
that I would not know whether these filters would work for me within the 30
day warranty period, so that was a non-issue. He says they work and I should
take his word for it (I am inclined to since I have heard good things about
him, but I also know filters don't work for everyone here and there are only
certain emfs that filters work for.) He says they will initially make me
worse from detoxing metals, etc, from my body. But after a few months they
will keep emfs out of my house--even emfs not on our
wiring. (Really?) He wants me to buy one for my house, my water entry
pipes, my car, and my phone. I am trying to be positive here, but this
sounds too good to be true.

So, for those technically savvy (and not technically challenged, as I am),
what do you think? Do these appear to be anything different; do they act
like regular filters, will they remediate wiring and water flow emfs and
also outside emfs.....??? This doctor thinks I reacted so badly due to emfs
reacting with what I am detoxing, but I think I was reacting so badly
because I over-detoxed, period. (And, yes, that did make the emf situation
more uncomfortable even tho he warned me and I heeded his instructions to
unplug everything unpluggable, refrain from using all electronics, .....) My
point here is I got much worse even tho I took these precautions than I
usually am, so I am quite sure I over-detoxed.

I do not know whether I will continue homeopathy at this point, however, I
did think how effective one little drop under the tongue was--took me months
of supplementation to detox a fraction of a fraction of that same toxic crap
from my organs. I really feel if I continue, we need to go much slower and
only target one organ (1 drop)/every 1 to 3 months. I can see if we did that
and went really slow that this *might* work. I see it as a very effective
way to detox candida, for instance. Again, I welcome your ideas re
homeopathy, as well.

Thanks in advance,
Diane

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Hi, Marc,
 
Thanks for this info--re not filters but transform emfs--now I understand.  He was trying to tell me this but between the bad phone connection and his Russian accent, I did not totally get what he was saying.  Of the ones you have tried, which did you think did the best?  Were they for the whole house or personal ones you carry on you?  And if ones you carry on you, did they bother you at first terribly?  The part of the conversation I DID understand was that I would not do well with this technology at first--he thought it might take 2 or 3 months for me to benefit from them.
 
Thanks again, Marc,
Diane

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 5:44 PM






> but I was also concerned when the doctor said these
> filters filter everything! (This defies logic and anything I have heard
> thus far!)

It's not that they are supposed to "filter" everything, it is
that they are suppose to convert the EMF to be biologically neutral
or even beneficial. There are a number of products out there
that claim to do something similar, and I have tried several
of them with varying results. Certainly they can be beneficial
-- I wouldn't have been able to return to my job if they
weren't! And certainly you can try a lot of products on
the market for far less money than it would cost to sell your
house and move!

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Hi again, Steph,
 
This is also why a mattress with springs is not a good idea and many here have changed their mattresses.  I pull my bed away from the wall a foot (had been 8" until the homeopath suggested at least a foot.  lol)  I personally like sleeping on an air mattress, but many here like latex foam mattresses, I think.  If you have an air mattress, sooner or later you are going to have leaking, but my Aerobed has lasted about 5 years and is still ok with only occasional addition of air.  I bought a double high one, but in my new house I intended to buy a single depth mattress and put it ona wood slat bed frame, off the floor.  I think this would work better.  I think Ikea sells these.  I initially bought my airbed because of reacting to springs and wanting to try something out instead of fully committing (due to high costs).  It worked extremely well and I like it so much,I plan to spend only $100.00 or less for my next bed!  lol (I have my airbed
all "tricked out" with a feather bed and egg crate foam pad under that.  lol)  Extremely comfy--the feathers and egg crate foam help with air circulation and help me not to sweat.  (Sheets and bedding make a difference with that too--geez, I accidently bought a cotton quilt that had polyester fiberfill and couldn't sleep all night due to sweating, once.)  Polyester anything is not going to work for me.  Another nice consequence of the airbed is, when I want to clean the bedroom, it is super easy to move.  For that matter, I have moved my bed from room to room various times by myself.  I like the portability. 
 
Diane

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 6:49 AM






Hi diane
 
What you have described is exactly what I feel re the vibrating at night - almost as if radiaton is coming out of the mattress springs and making by whole body vibrate - a very uncomfortable feeling indeed. Like you I have been taking a daily vit B12 because I reckoned that the antacid medication the doctro put me on over the summer had depleted my Vitamin B12 levels - andI have noticed some improvements by taking it, but it never occurred to methat I might gain from taking a second one at night - I musty give it a go.. The really odd thing though is that I was googling vitamin B12 deficiency and one of the symptoms of it was "inability or decreased ability to feelvibrations" - I alomst laughed out loud when I read that - check it out tosee if I misread that!! I have also been thinking about doing a vitamin D and calcium experiment. At the minute I take 2 capsules of each in the morning after breakfast and I was wondering what would happen if I split
the dose - say 1 vit D and calcium after  breakfast and then the other lot after a light supper or snack in the evening which would mean there'd be some in my system for longer periods [as opposed to  a charge after breakfast which would tail off] mind you I'm so happy with the effects I have had with the current regiment that I am loath to change it. I'll post back with the results if I do.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:34 PM

Sorry, there was a typo--I take a 1000mcg sublingual B12 supplement before bed.

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:17 PM

Hi all,
 
I recently realized that B12 seems to help me at night with emfs.  I usually take B12 in the daytime, so I was surprised to find that B12 works differently for me if I take it at night before bed!  I have the pesky problem of feeling like I am vibrating at night when I lay down or when I sit on a sofa with steel springs.  (I live directly across from a telephone substation which is the likely culprit and I am only about 100 feet away from atrain track which sends me magnetic fields at night.  Oddly, in this house, I usually only have problems at night--my old house for those of you who know I am between houses.  If I am moving around during the day in my rubber shoes, I feel nothing except occasionally a slight magnetic feelingon my skin.  When I lay down to sleep, however, I vibrate.)  I have found that taking a sublingual B12 nugget (100mcg) just prior to going to bedhelps me immensely!  I am able to relax better and the vibrating is gone
or barely noticeable.  I would like to hear from others with this problemwho are able to try this to see if it helps them too.  (Otherwise, the only other changes I have made is the recent homeopathy-- none of which seemed to relax me, but did the opposite and incited worse vibration and inability to relax.)  Have we found something which will help the vibratingat night?  I hope so.

Hope this helps some of you, too,
Diane

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I ditched my spring mattress quite a while ago. Found a used futon
mattress and a wool topper. Unfortunately it's not pure organic latex
foam inside, those cost a small fortune, but it was used and air and
hopefully outgassed enough.

We also punched two holes in the wall behind my bed and ripped out the
wire which ran to the electrical plug a foot or two below my head!

It's certainly a good idea to check your wall and bed with a meter if
you can. I've measured electrical fields being transferred by a
spring mattress, and in one case, through the wood of a solid-wood
bedframe, until it was pulled far away from the offending wall.

R.

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi again, Steph,
>  
> This is also why a mattress with springs is not a good idea and many
here have changed their mattresses.  I pull my bed away from the wall
a foot (had been 8" until the homeopath suggested at least a foot. 
lol)  I personally like sleeping on an air mattress, but many here
like latex foam mattresses, I think.  If you have an air mattress,
sooner or later you are going to have leaking, but my Aerobed has
lasted about 5 years and is still ok with only occasional addition of
air.  I bought a double high one, but in my new house I intended to
buy a single depth mattress and put it on a wood slat bed frame, off
the floor.  I think this would work better.  I think Ikea sells
these.  I initially bought my airbed because of reacting to springs
and wanting to try something out instead of fully committing (due to
high costs).  It worked extremely well and I like it so much, I plan
to spend only $100.00 or less for my next bed!  lol (I have my airbed
> all "tricked out" with a feather bed and egg crate foam pad under
that.  lol)  Extremely comfy--the feathers and egg crate foam help
with air circulation and help me not to sweat.  (Sheets and bedding
make a difference with that too--geez, I accidently bought a cotton
quilt that had polyester fiberfill and couldn't sleep all night due to
sweating, once.)  Polyester anything is not going to work for me.
 Another nice consequence of the airbed is, when I want to clean the
bedroom, it is super easy to move.  For that matter, I have moved my
bed from room to room various times by myself.  I like the portability.  night - almost as if radiaton is coming out of the mattress springs
and making by whole body vibrate - a very uncomfortable feeling
indeed. Like you I have been taking a daily vit B12 because I reckoned
that the antacid medication the doctro put me on over the summer had
depleted my Vitamin B12 levels - and I have noticed some improvements
by taking it, but it never occurred to me that I might gain from
taking a second one at night - I musty give it a go.. The really odd
thing though is that I was googling vitamin B12 deficiency and one of
the symptoms of it was "inability or decreased ability to feel
vibrations" - I alomst laughed out loud when I read that - check it
out to see if I misread that!! I have also been thinking about doing a
vitamin D and calcium experiment. At the minute I take 2 capsules of
each in the morning after breakfast and I was wondering what would
happen if I split
> the dose - say 1 vit D and calcium after  breakfast and then the
other lot after a light supper or snack in the evening which would
mean there'd be some in my system for longer periods [as opposed to  a
charge after breakfast which would tail off] mind you I'm so happy
with the effects I have had with the current regiment that I am loath
to change it. I'll post back with the results if I do. before bed. usually take B12 in the daytime, so I was surprised to find that B12
works differently for me if I take it at night before bed!  I have the
pesky problem of feeling like I am vibrating at night when I lay down
or when I sit on a sofa with steel springs.  (I live directly across
from a telephone substation which is the likely culprit and I am only
about 100 feet away from a train track which sends me magnetic fields
at night.  Oddly, in this house, I usually only have problems at
night--my old house for those of you who know I am between houses.  If
I am moving around during the day in my rubber shoes, I feel nothing
except occasionally a slight magnetic feeling on my skin.  When I lay
down to sleep, however, I vibrate.)  I have found that taking a
sublingual B12 nugget (100mcg) just prior to going to bed helps me
immensely!  I am able to relax better and the vibrating is gone
> or barely noticeable.  I would like to hear from others with this
problem who are able to try this to see if it helps them too. 
(Otherwise, the only other changes I have made is the recent
homeopathy-- none of which seemed to relax me, but did the opposite
and incited worse vibration and inability to relax.)  Have we found
something which will help the vibrating at night?  I hope so.

> Thanks for this info--re not filters but transform emfs--now I
> understand. He was trying to tell me this but between the bad phone
> connection and his Russian accent, I did not totally get what he was
> saying. Of the ones you have tried, which did you think did the best?
> Were they for the whole house or personal ones you carry on you? And if
> ones you carry on you, did they bother you at first terribly? The part
> of the conversation I DID understand was that I would not do well with
> this technology at first--he thought it might take 2 or 3 months for me
> to benefit from them.

Yes, the big problem is that people buy an EMF protection device, feel
worse almost immediately, and then return it. "Seasoned Detoxers" might
recognize the feeling worse as a detox reaction, and then
experiment to see if they can build up a tolerance to it over
the period of months / weeks. Generally the reaction I look for is
one where I feel really good on the first day I use it, then on
the next day I feel fatigued as my body dumps toxins. And of the
items I currently use on a regular basis, *all* of them required
weeks or months to get used to initially (and some of them I
never really got used to, so those got shelved).

And if you notice nothing on the first 2 days, then you might as well
return it and try something else. Don't be fooled by people
who claim it will require 30 or 90 days to tell the difference --
they're just trying to keep your money.

My favorite items come from Quantum Products, which makes all sorts
of different strengths (making some much easier to tolerate
than others), some of which are adjustable, and they also have one
that is portable which can be turned on/off when you're on the go (a
good feature, because most of portable ones are essentially
"always on", which can be a problem if there's no EMF to counter).

But everyone is different, and you may have to try out some
(and return them) before you find something that helps. And
note that I've never found a device that was a 100% solution --
just something that was helpful on top of supplements, diet,
and avoidance.

from my perspective, the best items to try out would be:

The Quantum Home (for whole house, or at least near your
computer): http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_home.html

The Quantum Companion (not nearly as strong as the Quantum
Home, but portable):
http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_companion.html

MegaChi pendant (portable, but you can't turn this off,
so you may have to distance yourself from it at times
to take a break from it):
http://www.newspiritservices.com/MegaChi.pendant.html

Springlife Polarizers (portable, and I suspect to be
the "healthiest" option, as other devices do seem
to cause some energetic aggravation, while the reaction
to these seem to be "pure" detox. also a variety of
sizes for this, best to start with the smaller
ones at first):
http://www.choosecra.com/store/tech/splf-overview.html

radar card (portable, cheap, can't turn it off, works
best near the offending item, can be aggravating if
on your person too long): http://radar3.com/

portable polarizer (portable, cheap, this is my
sisters favorite -- she's not ES -- even though
I lent her some more expensive ones):
http://cutcat.com/item.php?item_id=827

Earthcalm resonators (I could never build up a tolerance
to this, but I did try for months. You might have
better luck than I, but I can usually only use this
for a couple hours at a time):
http://www.earthcalm.com/

Tachyon products (wide variety of items, I generally
only use the wristbands, which seem to give off
better energy than the silica discs)
http://www.tachyon-energy-products.com/externals/silica_disks.htm

Another thing you have to worry about with "whole house"
treatments is the effects they will have on other
members of the household, including pets. I've had
cats that have gone into major detox from whole
house devices, which usually results in urine
and poop on the furniture and carpets. So that's
another reason to limit the treatment area to your
immediate vicinity.

Note that I have tried dozens of other devices over
the years which didn't seem to do much for me, including
the commonly known Q-Link, Bioelectric Shield, e-Crystal,
etc.

Marc

Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, Marc!
 
This is exactly what I needed.  I knew you used the Quantum Home and Springlife Polarizer successfully, but I was hoping you'd give me a broader range of products incase those didn't work--and so hubby/son/and others could see there are a wide-range of products which might work for me and not just the pricey Memon ones.  I am, however, starting with the Springlife Polarizer and then the Quantum Companion and if that works well for me, we plan to try the Quantum home to see if it helps with outside emfs in our new house--my husband still wants to move, apparently, if I can get to where I can stand it there.  (no cats!  :)  )  A building biologist I spoke to re our new house told me that cats love high emfs and ditto with termites and ants--we have a big ant problem outside at that house.
 
Thanks again,
Diane

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF devices
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 5:36 PM






> Thanks for this info--re not filters but transform emfs--now I
> understand. He was trying to tell me this but between the bad phone
> connection and his Russian accent, I did not totally get what he was
> saying. Of the ones you have tried, which did you think did the best?
> Were they for the whole house or personal ones you carry on you? And if
> ones you carry on you, did they bother you at first terribly? The part
> of the conversation I DID understand was that I would not do well with
> this technology at first--he thought it might take 2 or 3 months for me
> to benefit from them.

Yes, the big problem is that people buy an EMF protection device, feel
worse almost immediately, and then return it. "Seasoned Detoxers" might
recognize the feeling worse as a detox reaction, and then
experiment to see if they can build up a tolerance to it over
the period of months / weeks. Generally the reaction I look for is
one where I feel really good on the first day I use it, then on
the next day I feel fatigued as my body dumps toxins. And of the
items I currently use on a regular basis, *all* of them required
weeks or months to get used to initially (and some of them I
never really got used to, so those got shelved).

And if you notice nothing on the first 2 days, then you might as well
return it and try something else. Don't be fooled by people
who claim it will require 30 or 90 days to tell the difference --
they're just trying to keep your money.

My favorite items come from Quantum Products, which makes all sorts
of different strengths (making some much easier to tolerate
than others), some of which are adjustable, and they also have one
that is portable which can be turned on/off when you're on the go (a
good feature, because most of portable ones are essentially
"always on", which can be a problem if there's no EMF to counter).

But everyone is different, and you may have to try out some
(and return them) before you find something that helps. And
note that I've never found a device that was a 100% solution --
just something that was helpful on top of supplements, diet,
and avoidance.

from my perspective, the best items to try out would be:

The Quantum Home (for whole house, or at least near your
computer): http://quantumprodu cts.com/catalog/ quantum_home. html

The Quantum Companion (not nearly as strong as the Quantum
Home, but portable):
http://quantumprodu cts.com/catalog/ quantum_companio n.html

MegaChi pendant (portable, but you can't turn this off,
so you may have to distance yourself from it at times
to take a break from it):
http://www.newspiri tservices. com/MegaChi. pendant.html

Springlife Polarizers (portable, and I suspect to be
the "healthiest" option, as other devices do seem
to cause some energetic aggravation, while the reaction
to these seem to be "pure" detox. also a variety of
sizes for this, best to start with the smaller
ones at first):
http://www.choosecr a.com/store/ tech/splf- overview. html

radar card (portable, cheap, can't turn it off, works
best near the offending item, can be aggravating if
on your person too long): http://radar3. com/

portable polarizer (portable, cheap, this is my
sisters favorite -- she's not ES -- even though
I lent her some more expensive ones):
http://cutcat. com/item. php?item_ id=827

Earthcalm resonators (I could never build up a tolerance
to this, but I did try for months. You might have
better luck than I, but I can usually only use this
for a couple hours at a time):
http://www.earthcal m.com/

Tachyon products (wide variety of items, I generally
only use the wristbands, which seem to give off
better energy than the silica discs)
http://www.tachyon- energy-products. com/externals/ silica_disks. htm

Another thing you have to worry about with "whole house"
treatments is the effects they will have on other
members of the household, including pets. I've had
cats that have gone into major detox from whole
house devices, which usually results in urine
and poop on the furniture and carpets. So that's
another reason to limit the treatment area to your
immediate vicinity.

Note that I have tried dozens of other devices over
the years which didn't seem to do much for me, including
the commonly known Q-Link, Bioelectric Shield, e-Crystal,
etc.

Marc

















     

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