Infrasound detector - does it exist?

> A building biologist I spoke to re our new house told me that cats love
> high emfs and ditto with termites and ants

Yes, my cats seem to prefer negative energy to positive energy.
I just figured they just didn't want to detox -- especially
since they're not taking vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, etc. :-)

Marc

Hi Diane
 
THis guy you are recommending seems to be suggesting the same thing as Dr Andrew Goldworthy - who also seems to be talking about ES and tj permeabiity[he believes that calcium could be a treatment since he likens ES with a condition called hypercalcaemia and says the treatment for one could be the same for the other!] - he is also worth a google - Thanks Diane - I will google your guy too when I can be on the computer for longer.
 
THanks for the tip re the Vit B12 - I have been taking 2000iu for the last 8 weeks [based on research posted on the pro-health site] one in the morning one in the evening - is that too much?
 
I also read great research re vitamin D on the Weston price foundation website and am taking 1000iu of vitamin D3 per day [in the morning] and am now splitting up the calcium /magnesium into 3 parts as recommended on his siteand the dosing instructiion on the bottle - it is giving 1000mg cacium and400mg magnesium per day - I hope it is not too much because I have noticedan improvement in pain levels since I started to take it.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 


--- On Sun, 22/2/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 22 February, 2009, 5:47 PM






Hi, Stephanie,
 
I did not mean to take a second one at night, but to take the supplement only at night.  (Antiacids are bad stuff!  Stay away from them, they only exacerbate the digestive problems you are trying to get rid of!)  Of course, whether you take 2 X or once should depend on how much each tablet contains.  One can take a good bit of B12, but understand it does accummulate unlike alot of nutrients which you just urinate out hours after you take them.  That is funny about the B12 connection to vibration--I was not conscious of the connection, tho I have read enough about nutrients that I would likely have read this more than once if there were a connection!  lol  An example of how my brain is like a sieve.  ;)
 
Re the splitting the D3 and calcium.  I think it is always a good thing to split doses.  You might find you do better to split the D and just add more calcium to your dinner dose, tho (look up calcium and see whether you are near upper limits).  I suspect we need more nutrients, and more calcium in particular, than normal people.  (But I am not saying we should take more than the upper recommended doses of nutrients, esp those which store in the body--such as A, D....)
 
There is a neurologist who does cutting edge gluten intolerance research who I highly recommend in the UK for that (re another post where you mention looking into that).  Not sure where he is located, but you can find out by googling:  Dr. Hadjivassiliou (I think his first name is Mario orMarios?)  If you can't find him by googling his name, try googling "Dr. Hadjivassiliou and gluten intolerance" --alot of his research pops up.  He is also the Dr. who found that a gene exists for tight junction permeability.  (I personally follow the theory that it is tj permeability which allows us to react to ES; so he would be a GREAT doctor to see forgluten intolerance if you are close enough to see him.  He may not even be aware that former research exists that suggest there might be a connection with tjs and ES.) 
 
Diane 

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 6:49 AM

Hi diane
 
What you have described is exactly what I feel re the vibrating at night - almost as if radiaton is coming out of the mattress springs and making by whole body vibrate - a very uncomfortable feeling indeed. Like you I have been taking a daily vit B12 because I reckoned that the antacid medication the doctro put me on over the summer had depleted my Vitamin B12 levels - andI have noticed some improvements by taking it, but it never occurred to methat I might gain from taking a second one at night - I musty give it a go... The really odd thing though is that I was googling vitamin B12 deficiency and one of the symptoms of it was "inability or decreased ability to feel vibrations" - I alomst laughed out loud when I read that - check it out to see if I misread that!! I have also been thinking about doing a vitamin Dand calcium experiment. At the minute I take 2 capsules of each in the morning after breakfast and I was wondering what would happen if I split
the dose - say 1 vit D and calcium after  breakfast and then the otherlot after a light supper or snack in the evening which would mean there'd be some in my system for longer periods [as opposed to  a charge afterbreakfast which would tail off] mind you I'm so happy with the effects I have had with the current regiment that I am loath to change it. I'll post back with the results if I do.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:34 PM

Sorry, there was a typo--I take a 1000mcg sublingual B12 supplement before bed.

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:17 PM

Hi all,
 
I recently realized that B12 seems to help me at night with emfs.  I usually take B12 in the daytime, so I was surprised to find that B12 works differently for me if I take it at night before bed!  I have the pesky problem of feeling like I am vibrating at night when I lay down or when I sit on a sofa with steel springs.  (I live directly across from a telephone substation which is the likely culprit and I am only about 100 feet away from a train track which sends me magnetic fields at night.  Oddly,in this house, I usually only have problems at night--my old house for those of you who know I am between houses.  If I am moving around during the day in my rubber shoes, I feel nothing except occasionally a slight magnetic feeling on my skin.  When I lay down to sleep, however, I vibrate.)  I have found that taking a sublingual B12 nugget (100mcg) just prior to going to bed helps me immensely!  I am able to relax better and the vibrating is gone
or barely noticeable.  I would like to hear from others with this problem who are able to try this to see if it helps them too.  (Otherwise,the only other changes I have made is the recent homeopathy-- none of which seemed to relax me, but did the opposite and incited worse vibration and inability to relax.)  Have we found something which will help the vibrating at night?  I hope so.

Hope this helps some of you, too,
Diane

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Hi Diane
 
I know the feeling - my family, I think through lack of knowledge, seem to think that all my problems would be solved byt X device or Y pendant - if only they knew!! i.e wear a pendant and continue to immerse yourself in the EMF soup. I'm too tired to continually explain it all to them. So I know where you are coming from.I wouldn't for one minute think you would let anyone take advantage of you but it would be easy to give in to the pressure [albeit very subtly applied] to keep eveyone happy.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Sun, 22/2/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 22 February, 2009, 6:30 PM






Hi, Steph,
 
Thanks for your input.  I don't intend to let anyone take advantage ofme and I was previous to my post re Memon aware that it felt like I was being played.  My family bought in to this entirely, mainly becausethey are not the ones here reading posts everyday, and seeing how many emf"helps" do not work!  But I did promise them I'd remain objective andfind out more about these "tranformers" .  I bend over backwards sometimes to remain "objective", but I am not stupid.  (Well, not often--Iwas stupid for not reading up on the homeopathic before taking the remedies.  If I had, I would have still tried them, but I would have set morelimits and I would have prepared myself better for the detoxing about to take place.  As it was, I did actually set some limits--he wanted to treat me for lyme and I refused to take the remedy, saying I wanted to let itgo to another time.  My lyme (if I even have it--I have never been convinced) is in remission; I
like leaving sleeping dogs lie.  lol). 
 
Thanks again, tho, for your input, Steph,
Diane

--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 7:15 AM

Hi Diane
 
I haven't looked at the link, I don't think I'd cope too well with the streaming video - I will google them though and see what comes up but for now all of my sceptical hackles are rising - first off he won't treat you unlessyou buy $5000 worth of products from him, to me feels like he is trying toexert some type of undue influence over someone vulnerable [in terms of their health status] who has come to him for help - I'd be feeling differently if he was offering this as a "option" for you to take up or not as you chose. Secondly I have recently been in contact with a electrical engineer who maintains that none of these products we talk about on this site [i mentioned several to him] can do anthing against EMFs because they are "passive"[his word] - I'm not 100% sure about that and I am sure there are plenty more on this site who could correct me [please do!! I need a bit of hope to hang on to] and lastly I am sure that there are other filter type
products out there which might do just as good a job as these at a fractionof the cost. I'd like to know more about his reasoning about the strength of your reaction to his treatment and the link between that and the need for the filters which leads him to say that he doesn't want to treat you without them being in place - remember Diane everyone's constitution is different - and we have all gone through our lives absorbing and ingesting and being affected by different things so everyone is going to have a different reaction to anything they take - I reckon your idea was a good one, if you are going to go for more homeopathy try to target one organ at a time if you can [which you could prepare yourself for in advance] rather than a whole body blitz which could leave you wiped out.
 
Hope this is of some help - but don't let anyone take advantage of you.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Memon Your Harmony emf protection
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 20 February, 2009, 8:30 PM

Hi again, All,
 
As you know from my recent posts, I have recently tried seeing a homeopath.  I didn't exactly know what to expect ahead of time and purposely didnot read up on it, since I wanted to be unbiased and without expectations.  I perhaps should have done some reading before taking the remedies, as I did have very bad reactions to them.  This is totally uncharacteristic of me--I question everything usually--to the point that I drive my docs all crazy.  lol  Anyway, that is water under the bridge now. 
 
I had my follow-up appt by phone last week (since this doc is 7 hours away--long story; suffice it to say I have heard he helps people with ES).  This doctor says he does not want to treat me further due to the severity of my reactions, unless I buy these emf filter products he is selling which are quite pricey and use them several months prior.  (I got the impression that he was not used to seeing this amount of reaction in his other patients and he seemed quite alarmed--I emailed him a written list of which remedy/what reactions and how long.... before our phone appt.)  The filters cost close to $5000.00 for all he wants me to get, which I cannot buy due to the money situation at this time, but I could probably save up for.  But I am wondering how these work, whether any of you have heard of them, ......  What are your thoughts--(don' t hold back.  lol)  Here is the site which explains these:
 
http://www.healthdu o.com/
 
I tried going to this site to read about them (not his site--he is just a distributor) , but they use streaming video at the site which wigs me out.  Couldn't get close to figuring out how these work, because my head was aching so badly and I got so confused.  So--beware if you react to streaming video, this is not a site for you.  I asked the doctor about return policy and guarantee but he told me he could tell from my reactions to the remedies that I would not know whether these filters would work for me within the 30 day warranty period, so that was a non-issue.  He says they work and I should take his word for it (I am inclined to since I have heard good things about him, but I also know filters don't workfor everyone here and there are only certain emfs that filters work for.)  He says they will initially make me worse from detoxing metals, etc,from my body.  But after a few months they will keep emfs out of my house--even emfs not on our
wiring.  (Really?)  He wants me to buy one for my house, my waterentry pipes, my car, and my phone.  I am trying to be positive here, but this sounds too good to be true.
 
So, for those technically savvy (and not technically challenged, as I am), what do you think?  Do these appear to be anything different; do they act like regular filters, will they remediate wiring and water flow emfs and also outside emfs.....???  This doctor thinks I reacted so badly dueto emfs reacting with what I am detoxing, but I think I was reacting so badly because I over-detoxed, period.  (And, yes, that did make theemf situation more uncomfortable even tho he warned me and I heeded his instructions to unplug everything unpluggable, refrain from using all electronics, .....)  My point here is I got much worse even tho I took these precautions than I usually am, so I am quite sure I over-detoxed. 
 
I do not know whether I will continue homeopathy at this point, however, I did think how effective one little drop under the tongue was--took me months of supplementation to detox a fraction of a fraction of that same toxic crap from my organs.  I really feel if I continue, we need togo much slower and only target one organ (1 drop)/every 1 to 3 months.  I can see if we did that and went really slow that this *might* work.  I see it as a very effective way to detox candida, for instance.  Again, I welcome your ideas re homeopathy, as well.
 
Thanks in advance,
Diane

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Hi again, Steph,
 
Dr. Hadjivassiliou, did you mean?  or Byron Hyde?  I didn't know eitherof them were into ES at all!  Interesting.  It has been awhile (9 mos plus) since I have read Dr. H's research--note to self, do that--and about a decade since I checked out Byron's info.  Since Dr. H discovered the tj permeability gene, I thought he might be inclined to look into es.  I did read Dr. Andrew Goldsworthy's site after you sent it to me.  Yes, Ihave been under the impression that some problem with calcium comes into play (at least for me personally) and on computer searches I did a month ago, have come up with some new info on tj permeability research.  It seems that taking more calcium doesn't always help the problem according to new research.  I think I need to study the acu-cell info Snoshoe sent better before doing anything more--right and left hand charges to the various minerals, etc.  Great reading, but I'd need to really study it to work out how
calcium and manganese, etc inter-react.  (Btw, Loni, if you are reading along--this might be why you cannot take minerals.  So if you haven't check out the site Snoshoe sent re Acu-cell mineral readings, you might get info there that helps you.) 
 
In recent tj research, researchers working on rabbits (I believe--it was a month ago when I read this) found that more calcium just went into the cells rather than closing the tjs when they added calcium.  So they tried other minerals and found manganese closes the tjs.  Let me back up a little,as I am assuming anyone here reading understands the basic concepts of tj permeability.  First, calcium concentration has to be greater on the outside of the cells than the inside of cells and this state must be maintained or the tjs will open and not close.  But once they are opened and don't close, adding more calcium doesn't seem to restore balance to close them--but manganese will.  Adding more calcium just causes more calcium to enter the inside of the cells.  I have about a dozen tj research studies Ican send the group, but I wasn't sure anyone was interested in this.  Doyou want me to send them?  I kept them in a folder to go back to.  I'd
have to read them all again to actually find the one that had the manganese info tho.
 
I know there has to be a calcium problem with me--I just cannot get enough.  I could take calcium AEP every hour forever.  Works great, but only temporarily and then I am back to square 1.  I also know it is targetting my adrenals/autonomic nervous system in various ways--es symptoms of all types seem much better or remit entirely if I throw enough calcium AEP at them.  I know how calcium works to maintain tj closings in normal situations and that gluten intolerance can cause this to malfunction on agrand, and sometimes irreversible, scale and I know that emfs may also cause bbb tjs to malfunction in the same way.  So it seemed relativelystraight forward that if I took manganese I would see a difference. HOWEVER, I tried it and didn't see anything at all.  SOOOOO....  I evidently am missing something big.  lol  (Hey, doctors haven't figured itout either!)  ;)  Granted I may need to play around with this abit--soI am not totally
bummed about it.  Yet.  The concept needs work.  ;) 
 
As to B12--there are no upper limits (at least not last I checked) but necessary need is seemingly small for normal adults--1 mcg/day.  So I wouldnot double 2000mcgs; tho you are saying this is IU not mcgs, so I am not sure how to convert this.  Also, I personally take B12 only sublingually, since people with lack of intrinsic factor cannot digest it properly (and this is one of the biggest causes of deficiency--lack of ability to digest it).  Celiacs are among those with B12 digestion problems.  I generally keep my B12 supplementation to 1000mcgs sublingually.  (I just think if you haven't gotten it at 1000X the normal need, what are you going to accomplish with more than that?  lol  Of course, I nearly died from pernicious anemia without taking supplements.  So you do need to address the problem of digestion and why you are deficient to begin with.  If you take it under the tongue, you are by-passing digestion entirely.)
 
Calcium upper limits are 2000 to 2500mg and upper limits are 350mg for magnesium.  So your supplement as is, is a bit over the upper limit for magnesium.  You can take this for a month or so, but should not take it long term over the upper limit.  Since it is a mineral, I personally would not take it long term at this amount--it could lead to other mineral or trace mineral deficiencies by comparison.  If this has helped you, tho, start looking for a pill you can take 3X within the upper limits, (but high--at the upper limits).  You can finish the bottle you now have--no need to toss it. 
 
Hope this helps,
Diane

--- On Wed, 2/25/09, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: vibrating at night and B12
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2009, 8:10 AM






Hi Diane
 
THis guy you are recommending seems to be suggesting the same thing as Dr Andrew Goldworthy - who also seems to be talking about ES and tj permeabiity[he believes that calcium could be a treatment since he likens ES with a condition called hypercalcaemia and says the treatment for one could be the same for the other!] - he is also worth a google - Thanks Diane - I will google your guy too when I can be on the computer for longer.
 
THanks for the tip re the Vit B12 - I have been taking 2000iu for the last 8 weeks [based on research posted on the pro-health site] one in the morning one in the evening - is that too much?
 
I also read great research re vitamin D on the Weston price foundation website and am taking 1000iu of vitamin D3 per day [in the morning] and am now splitting up the calcium /magnesium into 3 parts as recommended on his siteand the dosing instructiion on the bottle - it is giving 1000mg cacium and400mg magnesium per day - I hope it is not too much because I have noticedan improvement in pain levels since I started to take it.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 




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