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> What is this thing?? > It is a tube-shaped (like shape of a paper towel tube) > Very small. The length is less than my smallest > finger. The width is such that my biggest finger can > just barely fit into it. Hmmm... it doesn't sound familiar... Marc |
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> My dowsing rod says I had 18 grams at birth.
> At age 25 I still had 17 grams. > Right now, age 27, after a year of detoxing a lot (lipoic acid, vitamin C in > megadoses and other stuff), I'm down to 3.4 grams and still going strong. While I'm sure that Ed's post on dowsing stretches many folks credibility, I asked him to dowse me. Ed said that I had 40 grams of mercury at birth, 200 grams (two teaspoons?!?) at my worst point, now down to 11 grams. Also he checked various chelators that I have tried in the past, and said that NDF would be the best way to get rid of the remaining mercury, and that it had already gotten rid of 100 grams. I can't find any obvious fault with this dowsing, as most of these things cannot be proved anyway. I can say that his rating of 10 different chelators I've tried did not contradict my own personal experience with them (right down to rating poorly stuff that I couldn't tolerate at all). I did feel that NDF got the most mercury out with the least side effects, and I did go through 15 ounces of it (that's $1200 worth today, much more when I took it years ago) before I moved onto other things. Marc |
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Hello,
we do have the BioElectrical shield also. But found the less expensive Bioprotect card stronger. The BioElectrical shield contain cristals, which will be saturated after some time and then start emitting the foul stuff. It can be cleaned and recharged on a purple plate. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 02:21 Subject: Re: [eSens] Bioelectric Shield >> http://www.toolsforwellness.com/eb007.html# >> >> That's what mine looks like. Sorry it took me a while >> to find the link. >> >> Any ideas on whether this is effective? > > Ahhh, the Bioelectric Shield. I tried that years ago, > and agree that it was not *nearly* powerful enough to > be useful. Someone tried to convince me that I instead > needed the more expensive model, but I was skeptical > and never tried it. > > I think for recharging it, it is supposed to be > in direct sunlight -- that is, you cannot have > it inside of a window. > > But I'd say you'd be better off trying something > else. I can think of devices in the $20 - $30 range > that are more effective than a $200 Bioelectric > Shield (at least for me) > > Marc > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > |
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Purple plate?! I've never heard of that. I heard hang
it up in sunlight. How ddo you do it on a purple plate. And how does that work? --- charles <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hello, > > we do have the BioElectrical shield also. > > But found the less expensive Bioprotect card > stronger. > > The BioElectrical shield contain cristals, which > will be saturated after > some time and then start emitting the foul stuff. > It can be cleaned and recharged on a purple plate. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 02:21 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Bioelectric Shield > > > >> http://www.toolsforwellness.com/eb007.html# > >> > >> That's what mine looks like. Sorry it took me a > while > >> to find the link. > >> > >> Any ideas on whether this is effective? > > > > Ahhh, the Bioelectric Shield. I tried that years > ago, > > and agree that it was not *nearly* powerful enough > to > > be useful. Someone tried to convince me that I > instead > > needed the more expensive model, but I was > skeptical > > and never tried it. > > > > I think for recharging it, it is supposed to be > > in direct sunlight -- that is, you cannot have > > it inside of a window. > > > > But I'd say you'd be better off trying something > > else. I can think of devices in the $20 - $30 > range > > that are more effective than a $200 Bioelectric > > Shield (at least for me) > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com |
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Yes, I dont know alot about dowsing but will finid it
interesting to see what Ed says about me. --- Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > > My dowsing rod says I had 18 grams at birth. > > At age 25 I still had 17 grams. > > Right now, age 27, after a year of detoxing a lot > (lipoic acid, vitamin C in > > megadoses and other stuff), I'm down to 3.4 grams > and still going strong. > > While I'm sure that Ed's post on dowsing stretches > many folks credibility, > I asked him to dowse me. Ed said that I had 40 > grams of mercury at > birth, 200 grams (two teaspoons?!?) at my worst > point, now down to 11 grams. > Also he checked various chelators that I have tried > in the past, and said > that NDF would be the best way to get rid of the > remaining mercury, and > that it had already gotten rid of 100 grams. > > I can't find any obvious fault with this dowsing, as > most of these things > cannot be proved anyway. I can say that his rating > of 10 different > chelators I've tried did not contradict my own > personal experience with > them (right down to rating poorly stuff that I > couldn't tolerate at all). > I did feel that NDF got the most mercury out with > the least side > effects, and I did go through 15 ounces of it > (that's $1200 worth > today, much more when I took it years ago) before I > moved onto > other things. > > Marc > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com |
Re: What are the $20-30 helpful ones?
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Thanks for both emails with all the helpful
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Hello Christina,
start reading at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html plus following pages. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina R" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 18:28 Subject: Re: [eSens] Bioelectric Shield > Purple plate?! I've never heard of that. I heard hang > it up in sunlight. How ddo you do it on a purple > plate. And how does that work? > > --- charles <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> we do have the BioElectrical shield also. >> >> But found the less expensive Bioprotect card >> stronger. >> >> The BioElectrical shield contain cristals, which >> will be saturated after >> some time and then start emitting the foul stuff. >> It can be cleaned and recharged on a purple plate. >> >> Greetings, >> Charles Claessens >> member Verband Baubiologie >> www.milieuziektes.nl >> www.milieuziektes.be >> www.hetbitje.nl >> checked by Norton Antivirus >> |
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Christina R wrote:
> Purple plate?! I've never heard of that. I heard hang > it up in sunlight. How ddo you do it on a purple > plate. And how does that work? I think since the Bioelectric shield is made up of crystals (quartz, etc.), the crystals can accumulated negative energy and need to be periodically "cleansed". Apparently placing it in the sun accomplishes that. And according to Charles, sitting it on a purple plate will also do that. By the way, when Charles says "purple plate", he is referring to a specific item: http://www.purpleplates.com/ I tried these once for EMF protection, but did not notice anything from them. Marc |
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Hi, Christina,
I was thinking the same! lol Christina R <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi, that is so interesting that yours is manly based on cell phone whereas mine mainly on computer! --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Christina,
You moved your monitor from 17" to 26.5". From the inverse square law, as 17 squared = 289 and 26.5 squared = 702, the radiation should have reduced by a factor of 2.43. So you've reduced it by well over half - a good start! Maybe it's not so surprising that you felt you noticed a difference. Ian --- ChristinaR wrote: So, I think I posted in another post that I was able to move my computer back so it is about 1.5 times further away. So how would this affect the radiation? It wasn't twice as far to make it 25% of original radiation.....so what would it be? _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Christina,
Hope you're coping OK with the deluge of information which has been unleashed on you! Personally what would worry me most in your case would be the 4 hours spent on the cell phone, not the 12 hours on the computer. But then my experiences are very much coloured by living with Sue, who is the ES one. She gets affected immediately if anyone comes into the house with a cellphone switched on, even within a few feet of her. However, she is OK if I'm using the computer in the house (she can't use it herself). She can use a normal landline phone without problems, but this is only because we have a special phone from Sweden with the coils taken out of the earpiece - otherwise her head began to buzz within a minute. Even a speakerphone wasn't enough, as the magnetic field from the speaker affected her. Is your workplace such that it is impossible to use a landline instead of the cellphone? (Or are you out on the road a lot?) One possibility might be a "hands-free" mobile, like in cars, which should at least substantially increase the distance from your head which is normally the worst problem area. (Though depends if your symptoms are mainly in the head or over the entire body. Sue is "OK from the neck downward" as she puts it!) Internet/broadband landline, I would speculate, will not be too bad compared to a normal landline, though there is no guarantee, and certainly should be better than a cellphone. We got broadband a few months back and Sue does not seem to have suffered any ill effects. The problem with cellphones and DECT cordless phones is that they are giving off radiation in the microwave region, which does not happen at all with normal landline phones. I'd suggest that you try a number of things together, some of which you've already done: - Increase distance from your computer monitor. - Unplug the cordless phone base station completely and use corded phone only. - Use landline instead of cellphone whenever possible. Or, if cell is absolutely unavoidable, try borrowing a hands-free set to try out. Then see what happens! Unfortunately the only way to see with most of these things is to try them out. Every ES person has different symptoms, and is sensitive to different frequencies. But some trends are very common - and cellphones seem to give problems to the vast majority. Our hope is that you can stop this problem in its tracks, as fortunately it sounds like your case isn't too severe at the moment. Hopefully that will avoid the more extreme effects suffered by some people in the group! In the long term, if your mercury levels are elevated (maybe the tuna is the most likely source), you may have to look at removing (chelating) it, as it seems to harm the immune system and increase sensitivity for lots of people (certainly in this group). Please take care if you do, the side effects can be nasty (they were for Sue). Best wishes, Ian and Sue _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Christina R Sent: 13 February 2006 19:04 To: [hidden email] Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: EMF --- Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote: > (From christina2005r): > > I am guessing the main culprit is both the typical > monitor work computer > (laptop). I use them combined for >12 hours daily > most days for work. Plus > the fluorescent lights at work. I am guessing also > just general "EMF > overload" because I use a cell > phone >4 hours daily, plus just I think am around a > lot of "gadgets" > unfortunately. > > > > Ugh .. 12 hours daily on a computer and 4 hours on a > cellphone? That sounds > a pretty high exposure to me. Oh no!!! What is "average"? Is there anything I can do about it other than just trying to limit it? (It doesn't seem like there is "much" I can do as far as limiting it, I could try to do it a little like maybe cut cell phone use by an hour if I did stuff like use pay phones, etc. Computer use I don't know what I could do about it because I really havae to use it for my job. I do SOME personal stuff (like mostly health research)....I dont even email people I know "in real life" hardly ever...so it will be really hard to find anything to dramatically cut back! It was these sorts of > levels that caused the > original "classic" ES problems identified in Sweden > in the early 1990's, > where continuous high levels harmed strong healthy > people. (Many of the > cases since then show far, far lower exposure levels > damaging people whose > immune system has been weakened by major illness). > > Something worth bearing in mind - electromagnetic > radiation works on the > "inverse square law". So, I think I posted in another post that I was able to move my computer back so it is about 1.5 times further away. So how would this affect the radiation? It wasn't twice as far to make it 25% of original radiation.....so what would it be? Also what is really the problem, the "monitror", the actual box of the computer, the accessories like keyboard,etc or just ALL of the electral equipment If you get twice as close to a > source, the radiation > level doesn't just double, it quadruples. So > spending days a foot from a > TV/computer monitor or an inch from a mobile phone > is going to give vastly > higher exposure than a mast a mile away or the > general background levels in > a house. I would think that the Faraday cage > shielding at night is going to > give only a small reduction in exposure compared > with your daily workplace > exposure. Okay, thank for the input on this. It is good to know because it sounds like I wasn't realzing how big of a deal the computer and cell phone problem is!!! Any suggestions about what to do about it? I really don't know of any way I can reduce my computer time that dramatically. I suppose if I didn't do ANY personal stuff on computers ever, I could get it down from maybe 12 hours to 11? Cell phone I can PROBABLY cut back on a little (maybe from 4 to 2-3 hours) if I really work at it. SO.... what can I do about the computer/cell phone exposure problem? It seems like it is really being harmful? Is there something I can put on the computer to make it stop? On the cell phone? > > Symptoms like reaction to fluorescent lights and > cellphones, and doing > better when walking in the woods (trees and water > are great absorbers of > external radiation), sound like classic ES > developing. It is not just the > light from fluorescents, but the particular > frequencies they emit, that > affect many ES people; low energy light bulbs can do > the same. Personally I > would say, for anyone with or developing ES, one > minute on a > cellphone/mobile is too long. Yikes. So what do people DO about this....I wish I could just live in the 18th century with no electric stuff; but it is really hard to avoid these things. ***** What would be some easyily implemented things that I can do to reduce the harm of the computer and the cell phone? I was thinking of like things you "do" to the computer or cell phone - like put aluminum foil on it? And also things you "do" to yourself - like suggested to wear some kind of protective stuff??? ********** Once you have got the > symptoms, there seems > to be a huge "hysteresis" effect - you have to go > down to exposure levels a > tiny fraction of the original ones before things > start getting better. > > Also worth noting that cordless (DECT) phones give > off high microwave levels > from the base station continually. We have to > shield against our next door > neighbour's, as we can easily measure the levels > coming through the wall. > Hopefully you don't have one! Oops, yes, I do. I have instad of a land line, those vonage telephone thing throught the internet. I have one corded and one cordless hooked up to it. I only use it about an hour each day, but can easily change to using the corded one...and unplug/give up/etc the other phone. Thank you. I would have never known that. > > Ian > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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It seems to me that all these different pendants, filters and neutralizers
seem to work with different sets of frequencies, and it is just pot luck whether you find filter X happens to match your particular range of "good" frequencies (or, more seriously, makes some of the "bad" ones worse). Maybe they were all developed by testing different people. I suppose the ideal would be if someone could actually measure you and find out which frequencies you are susceptible to, then produce a treatment which was tailored to you individually. I think some machines CLAIM to have used this approach - but can't say that I have heard of it actually being successful. One attempt we saw was Prof Cyril Smith's measurement of "imprinted frequencies" in a hand held water bottle. This didn't help Sue, but she was undergoing other treatment at the time and, when she was re-measured, the sensitive frequencies had changed! Has anyone seen any success with methods like this, or is it a pipe dream? Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc Martin Sent: 14 February 2006 06:06 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] What are the $20-30 helpful ones? Oh, some more ideas... There is the Aulterra Neutralizer sticker, which you could place on your cellphone battery or place on the computer monitor ($13): http://aulterra.com/neutralizer.htm Someone here even made a necklace out of one. Also, some people have had good luck with the Rejuvenizer product line, but I felt they actually made me feel worse! But if you want to try one, try the Cell Phone Rejuvenizer ($25): http://lighthealing.com/purchase-rejuvenizer.aspx And I know a couple people here like the Tachyon product line, but this never did much for me. Their Cell Phone Microdisk is $19: http://www.tachyon-energy-products.com/externals/cellphone_protection.htm Marc SPONSORED LINKS Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness&w1=Health+and+welln ess&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+prom otion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+welln ess&c=6&s=187&.sig=lYI8B8UF6O4ROok_KpWbMQ> and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+wellness+product&w1=Health+and+w ellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+ promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+w ellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=7FG7KpKu_ab8sI-sfGXbBw> wellness product Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+program&w1=Health+a nd+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Hea lth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+heal th+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=SdRoxwZKC3KlEgk4EdZDpQ> and wellness program Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=2N5rUTc4fwFZmwqyTa-mLw> promotion and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=TWFLmBa9J_P4FmW0xiOmnw> and wellness promotion Business <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Business+health+wellness&w1=Health+and+ wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health +promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+ wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=cq8JlfksEGFMRzKQ0DoSOA> health wellness _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "eSens <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I suppose the ideal would be if someone could actually measure you and find
> out which frequencies you are susceptible to, then produce a treatment which > was tailored to you individually. I had a practitioner who had a device which could make homeopathic remedies, and she attempted to make a remedy for the frequencies emitting from my computer monitor. It didn't help at all. Marc |
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Sounds par for the course - though I was thinking of a way to measure which
frequencies we are actually affected by, not which ones are generated by equipment. Probably even more difficult! Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc Martin Sent: 15 February 2006 17:37 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Shielding devices - What are the $20-30 helpful ones? > I suppose the ideal would be if someone could actually measure you and find > out which frequencies you are susceptible to, then produce a treatment which > was tailored to you individually. I had a practitioner who had a device which could make homeopathic remedies, and she attempted to make a remedy for the frequencies emitting from my computer monitor. It didn't help at all. Marc SPONSORED LINKS Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness&w1=Health+and+welln ess&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+prom otion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+welln ess&c=6&s=187&.sig=lYI8B8UF6O4ROok_KpWbMQ> and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+wellness+product&w1=Health+and+w ellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health+ promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+w ellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=7FG7KpKu_ab8sI-sfGXbBw> wellness product Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+program&w1=Health+a nd+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Hea lth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+heal th+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=SdRoxwZKC3KlEgk4EdZDpQ> and wellness program Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+promotion+and+wellness&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=2N5rUTc4fwFZmwqyTa-mLw> promotion and wellness Health <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w1=Health +and+wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=H ealth+promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+he alth+wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=TWFLmBa9J_P4FmW0xiOmnw> and wellness promotion Business <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Business+health+wellness&w1=Health+and+ wellness&w2=Health+wellness+product&w3=Health+and+wellness+program&w4=Health +promotion+and+wellness&w5=Health+and+wellness+promotion&w6=Business+health+ wellness&c=6&s=187&.sig=cq8JlfksEGFMRzKQ0DoSOA> health wellness _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "eSens <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens> " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> . _____ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
> > It seems to me that all these different pendants, filters and > neutralizers seem to work with different sets of frequencies, > and it is just pot luck whether you find filter X happens to > match your particular range of "good" frequencies (or, more > seriously, makes some of the "bad" ones worse). That's my take on them as well, Ian. The makers of these devices have seen there is an effect from the action of something where some folk get a good response so they sell them. Unfortunately, it seems they either don't really know the specifics of the action and can't tailor them because of that, or if they claim they do know it is frequently stated in proprietary terminology and paradigms that can't be readily tested by others in more generally understood contexts. I think a lot of this comes from being on the cutting edge of research into subtler energies, but some is probably marketing propaganda. And if most customers have a positive or neutral experience with the devices in question, there might not be enough motivation to understand the devices further so they can be altered to individual needs. And who wants to discuss or define accurate principles around a trade secret so it can be studied further? Protecting the money stream from a potential threat usually wins out over altruism here. As an possible example, I have tried to get a reply from Unified Technologies Management Company, makers of the Quantum Home/Pro/Byte products, about the possibility of tailoring their products with no success. I've also invited them to dialog on this list but I haven't seen any response here yet. Whatever their reasons are, they haven't even given a courtesy reply. We're on our own in experimenting with these at this stage. > Maybe they were all developed by testing different people. > > I suppose the ideal would be if someone could actually measure > you and find out which frequencies you are susceptible to, then > produce a treatment which was tailored to you individually. I > think some machines CLAIM to have used this approach - but can't > say that I have heard of it actually being successful. One attempt > we saw was Prof Cyril Smith's measurement of "imprinted frequencies" > in a hand held water bottle. This didn't help Sue, but she was > undergoing other treatment at the time and, when she was > re-measured, the sensitive frequencies had changed! When I visited the EHC-D I was tested for the frequencies I was hindered and helped by. They imprinted a couple of vials of water with a helpful frequency and these did help clear me somewhat but it wasn't a cure. And the helpful effect didn't last long, probably because the frequency imprints were erased afterwards during air travel. And these frequencies have shifted for me depending on my health and environment. > > Has anyone seen any success with methods like this, or is it a pipe > dream? > > Ian The scientific research of frequency imprinting into water and some other polar liquids like alcohol is well documented. These research results tend to be dismissed for reasons similar to those used to dismiss ES. -Beau |
Re: Shielding devices - What are the $20-30 helpful ones?
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Myself, family and friends have had excellent results with diode products from www.energpolarit.com
Extremely reasonable in price ... ** and I have no connection with this company at all ... except as a customer. Marty bbin37 <[hidden email]> wrote: --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote: > > It seems to me that all these different pendants, filters and > neutralizers seem to work with different sets of frequencies, > and it is just pot luck whether you find filter X happens to > match your particular range of "good" frequencies (or, more > seriously, makes some of the "bad" ones worse). That's my take on them as well, Ian. The makers of these devices have seen there is an effect from the action of something where some folk get a good response so they sell them. Unfortunately, it seems they either don't really know the specifics of the action and can't tailor them because of that, or if they claim they do know it is frequently stated in proprietary terminology and paradigms that can't be readily tested by others in more generally understood contexts. I think a lot of this comes from being on the cutting edge of research into subtler energies, but some is probably marketing propaganda. And if most customers have a positive or neutral experience with the devices in question, there might not be enough motivation to understand the devices further so they can be altered to individual needs. And who wants to discuss or define accurate principles around a trade secret so it can be studied further? Protecting the money stream from a potential threat usually wins out over altruism here. As an possible example, I have tried to get a reply from Unified Technologies Management Company, makers of the Quantum Home/Pro/Byte products, about the possibility of tailoring their products with no success. I've also invited them to dialog on this list but I haven't seen any response here yet. Whatever their reasons are, they haven't even given a courtesy reply. We're on our own in experimenting with these at this stage. > Maybe they were all developed by testing different people. > > I suppose the ideal would be if someone could actually measure > you and find out which frequencies you are susceptible to, then > produce a treatment which was tailored to you individually. I > think some machines CLAIM to have used this approach - but can't > say that I have heard of it actually being successful. One attempt > we saw was Prof Cyril Smith's measurement of "imprinted frequencies" > in a hand held water bottle. This didn't help Sue, but she was > undergoing other treatment at the time and, when she was > re-measured, the sensitive frequencies had changed! When I visited the EHC-D I was tested for the frequencies I was hindered and helped by. They imprinted a couple of vials of water with a helpful frequency and these did help clear me somewhat but it wasn't a cure. And the helpful effect didn't last long, probably because the frequency imprints were erased afterwards during air travel. And these frequencies have shifted for me depending on my health and environment. > > Has anyone seen any success with methods like this, or is it a pipe > dream? > > Ian The scientific research of frequency imprinting into water and some other polar liquids like alcohol is well documented. These research results tend to be dismissed for reasons similar to those used to dismiss ES. -Beau SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health wellness product Health and wellness program Health promotion and wellness Health and wellness promotion Business health wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I've had the same experience as Charles w.r.t. the BioElectric shield
and the Bioprotect card. For me the Bioprotect card was very strong. If you're very sensitive, I'd suggest asking for the Bioprotect M card to try first. I have used the M card with no difficulty (but no noticeable benefit during my original tests, either.) The full strength Bioprotect card has properties that somehow alter electromagnetic emissions and amplify these altered effects along the same channels of action according to Dietrich; the M card lacks this capacity and is supposed to serve simply as a nullifier. -Beau --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Hello, > > we do have the BioElectrical shield also. > > But found the less expensive Bioprotect card stronger. > > The BioElectrical shield contain cristals, which will be saturated after > some time and then start emitting the foul stuff. > It can be cleaned and recharged on a purple plate. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Martin" <marc@...> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 02:21 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Bioelectric Shield > > > >> http://www.toolsforwellness.com/eb007.html# > >> > >> That's what mine looks like. Sorry it took me a while > >> to find the link. > >> > >> Any ideas on whether this is effective? > > > > Ahhh, the Bioelectric Shield. I tried that years ago, > > and agree that it was not *nearly* powerful enough to > > be useful. Someone tried to convince me that I instead > > needed the more expensive model, but I was skeptical > > and never tried it. > > > > I think for recharging it, it is supposed to be > > in direct sunlight -- that is, you cannot have > > it inside of a window. > > > > But I'd say you'd be better off trying something > > else. I can think of devices in the $20 - $30 range > > that are more effective than a $200 Bioelectric > > Shield (at least for me) > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Hello,
do you use Windows? 98 ? XP Home ? XP Professional ? Sometimes they crash. Most of the time you don't know why. It happens mostly on times you do not expect it, and you need it the most. But your computer is a very simple machne. Very simple indeed. A lot of computer nerds and whizzkids know how they work and can be handled. Most scientists would like to compare a compter with our body. But our body is very complicated. Most of the engineers and physicians do not have the faintest idea waht makes it tick. And our body is certainly not crashproof. On my website one can see, that I can measure a lot of frequency fields around the body, mainly in the MHz region. The company Brijot has constructed a video scanner, which detects everything that does not have the body frequency of 90 GHz ! (So they detect weapons concealed under clothing) An Australian scientist talks about photon chemistry. An Austrian building biologist sets people on a frequency generator in order to find frequencies they may react onto. In the Bioreonance machines there are modules, that do send very quickly a large number of frequencies through the body. When they encounter a response, those frequencies may be used in the therapy. The scientists use for tests a fixed frequency, f.i. 900 MHz. But the praxis is quite different. We do have a mix of all sorts of high frequency signals, pulsed as well as unpulsed. And those signals are not equally in strenght. The resulting waves may be quite different, and nobody does know how they look like. And they may trigger quite different reactions in our body. With bioresonance it is known that people with metal parts in their body should not be treated, because the metal will resonate. We all do have*heavy metals* in our body. They are *heavy* indeed. I think that they resonate with all those high frequencies around us. When you succeed in getting them out of your body, the resistance to electrosensitivity improves. (See my message about the ionic foot spa) With everybody the heavy metals are stored in a different place, so the reactions will be different to electrosmog. And we have the matter of longitudinal waves. I believe that they are farther reaching than normal transversal waves. Given the fact that electrosensitive people feel very subtle signals, I found that they also feel them at greater distances. So the burden is twice as what one may expect. Technicians boast always that it is impossible, because those signals are so and so milliWatt, and those signals are regarded as weak. They are wrong! Some scientists speak about *biological windows.* So the resulting waves of a bundle of signals may trigger your complaints, when they enter such a biological window. And this biological window may be different for each person. So the matter is complex and complicated. Most of the *things* that we talk about do have in common, that they work with longitudinal waves. Most of those companies do not know that and came to their findings one way or the other, emperically. Because they do not know how and why they work, they are not going to explain anything. They just cannot. In their advertisements they tell a lot of mumbo-jumbo. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "bbin37" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 20:02 Subject: [eSens] Re: Shielding devices - What are the $20-30 helpful ones? > --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote: >> >> It seems to me that all these different pendants, filters and >> neutralizers seem to work with different sets of frequencies, >> and it is just pot luck whether you find filter X happens to >> match your particular range of "good" frequencies (or, more >> seriously, makes some of the "bad" ones worse). > > That's my take on them as well, Ian. The makers of these devices have > seen there is an effect from the action of something where some folk > get a good response so they sell them. Unfortunately, it seems they > either don't really know the specifics of the action and can't tailor > them because of that, or if they claim they do know it is frequently > stated in proprietary terminology and paradigms that can't be readily > tested by others in more generally understood contexts. I think a lot > of this comes from being on the cutting edge of research into subtler > energies, but some is probably marketing propaganda. And if most > customers have a positive or neutral experience with the devices in > question, there might not be enough motivation to understand the > devices further so they can be altered to individual needs. And who > wants to discuss or define accurate principles around a trade secret > so it can be studied further? Protecting the money stream from a > potential threat usually wins out over altruism here. As an possible > example, I have tried to get a reply from Unified Technologies > Management Company, makers of the Quantum Home/Pro/Byte products, > about the possibility of tailoring their products with no success. > I've also invited them to dialog on this list but I haven't seen any > response here yet. Whatever their reasons are, they haven't even > given a courtesy reply. We're on our own in experimenting with these > at this stage. > > >> Maybe they were all developed by testing different people. >> >> I suppose the ideal would be if someone could actually measure >> you and find out which frequencies you are susceptible to, then >> produce a treatment which was tailored to you individually. I >> think some machines CLAIM to have used this approach - but can't >> say that I have heard of it actually being successful. One attempt >> we saw was Prof Cyril Smith's measurement of "imprinted frequencies" >> in a hand held water bottle. This didn't help Sue, but she was >> undergoing other treatment at the time and, when she was >> re-measured, the sensitive frequencies had changed! > > When I visited the EHC-D I was tested for the frequencies I was > hindered and helped by. They imprinted a couple of vials of water > with a helpful frequency and these did help clear me somewhat but it > wasn't a cure. And the helpful effect didn't last long, probably > because the frequency imprints were erased afterwards during air > travel. And these frequencies have shifted for me depending on my > health and environment. > >> >> Has anyone seen any success with methods like this, or is it a pipe >> dream? >> >> Ian > > The scientific research of frequency imprinting into water and some > other polar liquids like alcohol is well documented. These research > results tend to be dismissed for reasons similar to those used to > dismiss ES. > > -Beau > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > |
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It may be possible, that you had some results with those products, although
it may be placebo effects. (Imagining things may also help electrosensibles) But on their website they tell a lot of mumbo-jumbo. They also placed two *Kirlian* images. They obviously have never seen a real Kirlian Photography. Because those images are certainly NOT representing a Kirlian Aura Photography. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marty Getz" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 20:17 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Shielding devices - What are the $20-30 helpful ones? > Myself, family and friends have had excellent results with diode products > from www.energpolarit.com > > Extremely reasonable in price ... ** and I have no connection with this > company at all ... except as a customer. > > Marty > |
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> I've had the same experience as Charles w.r.t. the BioElectric shield
> and the Bioprotect card. For me the Bioprotect card was very strong. > If you're very sensitive, I'd suggest asking for the Bioprotect M card > to try first. I have used the M card with no difficulty (but no > noticeable benefit during my original tests, either.) So, are you saying that the Bioprotect M card didn't help? Marc |
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