EMF & full spectrum (or near full) light

I'm trying to reduce EMFs from my living space--I have MCS and
apparently it often/always co-occurs with EMF sensitivities. I'm an
artist and need a full spectrum (or near full) light and good &
bright. I live full-time in an rv & want something that will run on DC
power so I can reduce my exposure to EMFs. I'm currently using a
flourescent shop fixture with full spectrum bulbs--bad news I know-AC
powered & flourescent. Can you recommend anything that would give me
the light I need that will run on dc power. The lights that came with
the RV are very dim, and I'm looking at replacing the bulbs with
halogen, but not sure if that will give enough light. I could replace
the fixtures with dc flourescent fixtures which seem like they would
give more light (and a more diffuse/non-directed light) than a halogen
bulb, but I'm confused as to whether it's the flourescent fixtures
that are high emf, or if it's because of the AC power. Are dc
flourescents safe?? What can anyone recommend?
Thanks,
Freika

Freika,

I'm not sure of any advantage in running DC lighting from an ES
perspective. As far as I know, halogen lights are supposed to
be bad news, although perhaps the reason for this is the AC-DC
transformer? Also, florescent lighting is bad news in general.

I use incandescent AC full-spectrum lighting, brand names are
"Blues Busters" and Chromalux. The light is good, and they
don't cause me problems.

Marc

Have you considered an LED replacement bulb?

http://store.sundancesolar.com/120voacledre.html

I don't know how the spectrum works but EMF should be very low as this
is ultra low power consumption. We have used LEDs for our emergency
lighting and there is a bit of a bluish tint to them, but they are VERY
bright, much more than incandescent for the same power level. I have
read that there are firms working on a more complete spectrum solution
for LED, perhaps they are available somewhere.

--Kurt

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bright. I live full-time in an rv & want something that will run on DC
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halogen, but not sure if that will give enough light. I could replace
the fixtures with dc flourescent fixtures which seem like they would
give more light (and a more diffuse/non-directed light) than a halogen
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apparently it often/always co-occurs with EMF sensitivities. I'm an
artist and need a full spectrum (or near full) light and good &
bright. I live full-time in an rv & want something that will run on DC
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flourescent shop fixture with full spectrum bulbs--bad news I know-AC
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the light I need that will run on dc power. The lights that came with
the RV are very dim, and I'm looking at replacing the bulbs with
halogen, but not sure if that will give enough light. I could replace
the fixtures with dc flourescent fixtures which seem like they would
give more light (and a more diffuse/non-directed light) than a halogen
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> Have you considered an LED replacement bulb?
>
> http://store.sundancesolar.com/120voacledre.html

Has anyone here experimented with these new LED bulbs
and see how they are for ES folks? Compact florescents
were energy efficient too, but horrible for ES folks
(I could tell the difference quite quickly). But
I haven't bought any of these new LED bulbs to
compare...

(and to me, gauss meter readings are irrelevant --
I want to know how well people actually tolerate
them)

Marc

> I'm not sure of any advantage in running DC lighting from an ES
> perspective. As far as I know, halogen lights are supposed to
> be bad news, although perhaps the reason for this is the AC-DC
> transformer? Also, florescent lighting is bad news in general.

The advantage of DC lighting from an ES perspective is simply that DC
wiring and fixtures don't produce any EMF at all, so there is no
danger of ES from DC wiring, fixtures, etc. This is assuming you
DONT'T use something like a DC fluorescent light which converts the
DC to AC in order to run the fluorescent tube.

12V DC Halogen lights would be no problem, and would generate no EMF
either. The problem with halogen fixtures which run on AC power
is that those which use low voltage bulbs use a step-down transformer
which generates high EMFs.

Garth

The bright white LED's are fluorescent. They use the blue ones to
make them, which is why it sometimes has a bluish cast. I just in the
recent past posted about that, so it shouldn't be too hard to find.

As long as DC emf's don't bother you, as even they do some people,
and you really don't want one in your RV that uses an inverter, you
might consider having one made up special. For art, (and I find it
very nice for when the sun is not out) one of the 9000-10,000 Kelvin
bulbs used in photography studios. The bulbs are about $70/a piece,
but depending on how you want it angled, one to two should be enough
in something that size.
Closest you can get to real daylight.

Then halogens like suggested, might work, or Full spectrum
incandescents. Those seem to bother me least, and GE has some
called "Edison" for about the brightest you can get in that area.

Let us know what you try and how it works. :)
~ Snoshoe

 
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> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of
> freikanatur
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 4:42 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: SPAM-LOW: [eSens] EMF & full spectrum (or near full) light
>  
> I'm trying to reduce EMFs from my living space--I have MCS and
> apparently it often/always co-occurs with EMF sensitivities. I'm an
> artist and need a full spectrum (or near full) light and good &
> bright. I live full-time in an rv & want something that will run on
DC
> power so I can reduce my exposure to EMFs. I'm currently using a
> flourescent shop fixture with full spectrum bulbs--bad news I know-
AC
> powered & flourescent. Can you recommend anything that would give
me
> the light I need that will run on dc power. The lights that came
with
> the RV are very dim, and I'm looking at replacing the bulbs with
> halogen, but not sure if that will give enough light. I could
replace
> the fixtures with dc flourescent fixtures which seem like they
would
> give more light (and a more diffuse/non-directed light) than a
halogen
> bulb, but I'm confused as to whether it's the flourescent fixtures
> that are high emf, or if it's because of the AC power. Are dc
> flourescents safe?? What can anyone recommend?
> Thanks,
> Freika
>

I'm realize I'm new to this list, and I realize that there are a lot
of opinions out there about what you can be sensitive to. I am
myself starting to believe I am somewhat ES and am trying to
determine exactly the triggers and solutions. Still, there seems
to be a lot of confusion about AC and DC EMF's and what they are. I
don't know if this mail will help some people, but I hope so.

When people talk about DC emf's, what (in physics terms) they must be
talking about are static magnetic fields, i.e. magnetic fields that
don't oscillate or change rapidly, which is what is produced by DC
current flowing.

from a physics point of view, this produced field is the same as
that produced by a permanent magnet. Since we live in a constant DC
magnetic field of about 300-500 milligauss (produced by the earth
itself), we are always exposed to extremely strong DC EMF's every day.

In fact, the earth's core generates it's magnetic field due to very
large circulating DC electric currents. So, humans have evolved
living with very strong DC currents generating strong DC magnetic
fields.

To me, it seems rather unlikely that people are sensitive to a PURE
DC field, such as that produced by a bar magnet and/or circulating DC
currents. I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm just saying that
there are many more likely issues when someone doesn't feel good
around a DC electrical system.

When people say they are "sensitive" to DC EMF's, or get symptoms
from that field, I suspect they are sensitive to a device which is
attached to the DC that converts it to AC. For instance, I have a
boat with a DC light that has a circuit that generates an enormous
amount of EMF "noise" (AC EMF) when the light is powered. This is
clearly measurable with a tri-field meter or similar.

Many supposed DC devices actually generate VERY large amounts of AC
magnetic field and/or RF (radio frequencies), which can trigger
symptoms. Some examples are:

- laptop computers, which (even when powered from batteries),
generate very high magnetic fields through disk drive motors,
flourescent backlight power supplies, and motherboard oscillators/logic.

- inverters & power converters, which are very common in DC powered
stereo equipment, flourescent lighting, DC dimmer circuits, portable
DC electronics, etc.

- battery charge systems, including solar charge controllers, many of
which use "switch-mode" regulators that chop up the DC and thereby
produce AC magnetic fields.

All of these DC devices are very common, and all produce strong (and
easily measurable) AC magnetic fields. Some of these fields have
high frequency components which some people claim are more irritating
than the basic 60hz AC fields. For instance, my laptop makes me
feel TERRIBLE, even when run on battery, but that is because it
generates a very strong AC EMF at a an irritating high frequency, due
to its internal power conversion circuitry.

In general, 12V batteries, wiring, switches, and lighting (other than
fluorescent) should not produce an AC field (except in a transient
burst when current is switched on or off), but many other 12V
devices "convert" the DC in various ways that generate AC EMF or RF EMF.

You can learn more about DC fields, magnetism, and the earth's
circulating currents from here:

http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/wmfield.html

> The bright white LED's are fluorescent. They use the blue ones to
> make them, which is why it sometimes has a bluish cast. I just in the
> recent past posted about that, so it shouldn't be too hard to find.

It is correct that blue LED's are used to make bright white LED's.
They combine red, green, and blue LED's together to generate the
"white light" of an bright white LED. However, although the LIGHT
SPECTRUM of the LED's is similar to a cool white fluorescent light,
it is not correct to say that they "are fluorescent". Bright white
LEDs when powered directly by DC (and when they don't contain dimmer
or power conversion circuitry) do not generate any electromagnetic
interference.

12V halogens are a good choice also, I agree, but not if you run them
off of AC power, only if you run them off of DC power with no dimmer
or power conversion circuitry.

> To me, it seems rather unlikely that people are sensitive to a PURE
> DC field, such as that produced by a bar magnet

Having tried many absurd-sounding gizmos in the last few years,
one of them was called "Immortality Rings", which were supposed
to stop your aging process. These were simply some strong
magnets that you wore as a ring around your finger.

I can tell you, that I had a horrible reaction to these magnets
on my fingers, and it only took a couple minutes! I was getting
terrible chest pains and anxiety... the same symptoms that some
other foods, supplements, and EMF protection devices give me.

But of course, my theory is that all of the above are mobilizing
toxins into my bloodstream, and I am reacting to the toxins. But
still, it is an adverse reaction to a magnet, as far as most
people would be concerned.

Marc

> For instance, my laptop makes me
> feel TERRIBLE, even when run on battery, but that is because it
> generates a very strong AC EMF at a an irritating high frequency, due
> to its internal power conversion circuitry.

One (easy) experiment you could try... I'm assuming that
your laptop runs Microsoft Windows...

Download the free 15-day trial of the "Quantum Byte" software:

http://www.quantumproducts.com/quantumbytefreedownload/

See if you feel any different than usual when using your laptop
with this software activated.

Marc

Could be, and I've seen some weird things also, so I'm not
discounting your experience. I DO believe that some of these
magnets in targeted areas can have effects on the body. Many of
these magnetic bracelets/rings are THOUSANDS of gauss (MILLIONS of
miligauss), placed right next to your skin (rings, bracelets). It's
possible they have biological effects.

The point I was making is that you are already in a 300-500milligauss
DC magnetic field, all the time, from the earth. Adding a few
milligauss of DC field on top of that from a pure DC lighting system
seems unlikely to cause symptoms. Even at 10x the strength, it's
still far less than the field of the earth.

Just trying to put things in perspective.


On Mar 23, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

Okay, here's some more on it although it is true the colors have been
combined to do this in the past.

An important LED breakthrough of 1990s was the application of
fluorescent phosphors to change the spectrum of light emitted by LEDs.
In this process, blue and near-UV emitting LEDs are painted with a mix
of phosphors that absorbs the incoming light and emits the desired
mixture of wavelengths.
http://wolfstone.halloweenhost.com/TechBase/litled_LightEmittingDiodes.h
tml

Physics
Fluorescence
"Fluorescence" is the emission of electromagnetic radiation, especially
of visible light, stimulated in a substance by the absorption of
radiation of another wavelength. The emission persists only as long as
the stimulating radiation is continued.
The most common cases of fluorescence convert incoming radiation of a
short wavelength (e.g. black light) into longer wavelength visible
light. The incoming radiation is absorbed by an atom, kicking an
electron up into a higher energy level. When the electron falls back
down, it doesn't go all the way down to its base state. The radiation
that it emits is less energetic, of a longer wavelength.

In some cases, longer wavelength radiation is converted to shorter
wavelength, as in the frequency-doubling crystals used to make green
LASER pointers from IR LASER diodes. In this example, one low energy
photon kicks an electron up, and a second photon kicks the electron
even higher. When the electron returns to the base level, it emits
energy corresponding to the sum of the two incoming photons - having a
shorter wavelength.

Some fluorescent materials are:
fluor spar
uranium glass
calcium sulphide
Fluorescence can be stimulated by:
visible light
ultra-violet rays (black light)
cathode rays (this is how a conventional television lights up the
screen)
X rays
heat
etc.  
http://wolfstone.halloweenhost.com/TechBase/litadv_AdvancedLightingConce
pt.html#Fluorescence

~ Snoshoe

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> They combine red, green, and blue LED's together to generate the  
> "white light" of an bright white LED. However, although the LIGHT  
> SPECTRUM of the LED's is similar to a cool white fluorescent light,  
> it is not correct to say that they "are fluorescent". Bright
white  
> LEDs when powered directly by DC (and when they don't contain dimmer  
> or power conversion circuitry) do not generate any electromagnetic  
> interference.
>

I'd read about those rings Marc,never got to try one though. I suspect
if it made you that ill so quickly they had the wrong poles facing.

Yes, our bodies should normally be fine with the earth's fields, as
we're made to be okay with it.

Small additional ones, at possibly the wrong strengths, could be
harmful. I know someone who had a similar reaction to Marc's, by
applying one to their shoulder that was suppose to help with healing,
but caused pain.

Japan has more knowledge than we do about magnetic usage. The helpful
and harmful poles.

The positive can cause swelling, congestion and other problems.

The wrong fields cause genetic damage and sometimes ghastly results in
experiments, such as 3 legged carnivorous chickens.

Anyone wanting to feel a magnetic field w/o electric, just take a
couple off your fridge and put like poles together. Separate from
electricity and static is the only way to get a pure magnetic field.

I wonder how much of our troubles are "enhanced" by the earth's
decaying magnetic field? It's not near what it once was.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Garth Hitchens <garth@...> wrote:
>
> Could be, and I've seen some weird things also, so I'm not  
> discounting your experience. I DO believe that some of these  
> magnets in targeted areas can have effects on the body. Many of  
> these magnetic bracelets/rings are THOUSANDS of gauss (MILLIONS of  
> miligauss), placed right next to your skin (rings, bracelets).  
It's  
> possible they have biological effects.
>
> The point I was making is that you are already in a 300-
500milligauss  
> DC magnetic field, all the time, from the earth. Adding a few  
> milligauss of DC field on top of that from a pure DC lighting system  
> seems unlikely to cause symptoms. Even at 10x the strength, it's  
> still far less than the field of the earth.
>

Thanks for clarifying this. Fair enough, I concur that they use
flourescent phosphors to generate light. I was wrong then to
technically say they weren't "flourescent".

To clarify my point, they don't pose the EMF risks that typical
fluorescent lights pose, specifically because they don't use high
voltage gas discharge tubes, and don't have ballasts or transformers
like typical fluorescent fixtures, thus, the risks from the EMF point
of view should be the same as other LEDs (i.e. NO AC EMF at all when
run on DC).

On Mar 23, 2006, at 5:08 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:

Hi, Marc,

But don't you think that you needed the detoxing? I understand that the magnet might be too powerful a detoxer for you, but what I am saying here is I find alot of people giving up on particular supplements, etc, that are really working to detox them, but they are confusing the detoxing with a bad negative reaction. I think we need to make a distinction between something that is a negative reaction and something that gives us bad symptoms but is working toward a positive outcome.

In my own case, losing weight makes me extremely, extremely ill. This is due to the fact that I have toxins in my fat. BUT I don't quit losing fat because it gives me bad symptoms. I realize that the toxins HAVE to come out. There is, however, a point at which I cannot move toxins out any quicker than I am and have to back off. (And I am guessing that this is what you actually meant when you wrote your post about magnets?) But knowing that magnets are good toxin mobilizers might actually be a good thing to some people who are having a hard time mobilizing them. Also, it is helpful to know that adding great amounts of fiber to your diet will help toxins to leave your system instead of circulating around and making you sicker.

Just my 2 cents,
Diane

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> To me, it seems rather unlikely that people are sensitive to a PURE
> DC field, such as that produced by a bar magnet

Having tried many absurd-sounding gizmos in the last few years,
one of them was called "Immortality Rings", which were supposed
to stop your aging process. These were simply some strong
magnets that you wore as a ring around your finger.

I can tell you, that I had a horrible reaction to these magnets
on my fingers, and it only took a couple minutes! I was getting
terrible chest pains and anxiety... the same symptoms that some
other foods, supplements, and EMF protection devices give me.

But of course, my theory is that all of the above are mobilizing
toxins into my bloodstream, and I am reacting to the toxins. But
still, it is an adverse reaction to a magnet, as far as most
people would be concerned.

Marc



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> But don't you think that you needed the detoxing?

Yes, I *do* think I need the detoxing, but it cannot be done using a
method that's going to cause more harm than good. If you are
having adverse detox reactions, then most likely you are
redistributing the toxins to another part of the body, and doing
more damage. You are not getting them out of your body.

You have to detox at a rate that your liver, kidneys, etc. can
handle. You also have to detox at a rate that your body can
adequately replace the toxins with whatever mineral was
supposed to be there in the first place. You can't expect
it to happen overnight. I spent a year on medical disability
detoxing, only to realize that there was no end in sight to
this, and I really had to slow down and do it at a rate that
I could also live my life and earn a living.

People have died from attempting to detoxify to rapidly. If one
method of detox seems to be doing you more harm then good, then I
say try another. There seems to be a great number of methods
to choose from.

Marc

I tried to download the Quantum Byte to my Mac ibook G4, but it asked me to choose the application to open it. Anyone know what to do about this?

The Quantum Byte web page says it works with OX 10.2. I have OX 10.4.5.

Mariann

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From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>





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Hi Marianne,

I'm Mac user too and have had positive results with the Quantum Byte
software (on PC/Win machines at work and older Macs at home). However,
as of October 2005 (I phoned the company and spoke with their rep),
Quantum Products had NOT yet developed a Quantum Byte version for OS
10.4. To the best of my recollection, the download process is very
straightforward when it's the appropriate version for your OS, but you
can also special-order the software on a CD if you prefer. I've pasted
an excerpt from my original post about this, below.

Cara

Cara posted on October 21, 2005:
"Margy Wilson at Quantum Products has answered questions about the
hard-to-find Mac versions of the Quantum Byte software. (Mac
users can special-order Quantum Byte for OS 9 or OS 10.2.x
They are still working on Quantum Byte for the most current Mac
OS; this is why a trial version is not available for download on
their website.)"


-- In [hidden email], mariann7@... wrote:
>
>
> I tried to download the Quantum Byte to my Mac ibook G4, but it asked
me to choose the application to open it. Anyone know what to do about
this?
>
> The Quantum Byte web page says it works with OX 10.2. I have OX
10.4.5.
>
> Mariann
>
>

[hidden email] wrote:
> I tried to download the Quantum Byte to my Mac ibook G4, b
> but it asked me to choose the application to open it. Anyone
> know what to do about this?
>
> The Quantum Byte web page says it works with OX 10.2.
> I have OX 10.4.5.

Cara may have more updated information about this than I, but
the free download on that site only runs on Windows. They
used to have a Mac download, but I think the application
stopped working after Apple issued 10.3, so they pulled it.
Presumably, at some point in the future they will add it
again. Unfortunately, Apple has been a moving target
with its operating system for years, and the changes
from the Classic OS to OS X to Intel-chips isn't really
something that all software makers can keep up with.

Marc