Cordless Phones

Hello,

I had a wonderful cordless phone that is nine years old. Never bothered
me at all. The phone finally died and I had to get a new one. Well, I am
so terribly sensitive to the new phone. Even if I hold it for just a few
minutes I feel electrified. Horrible.
I tried to contact Panasonic, the company that made my old phone to see if
I could get that very phone again. Nope, their not making it any longer...

Does anyone have a suggestion for a cordless phone that may not bother me?

Thanks,

Estelle


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If you still have the old phone, maybe you can get a battery
for it.

Avoid DECT. Avoid digital display in the phone.

You may have luck at a thrift store getting an old phone.
Expect it to need a new battery.

Or get a corded phone.


On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:45 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:


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> Does anyone have a suggestion for a cordless phone that may not bother
> me?

You could try looking on eBay -- someone there might be selling the
exact model you are looking for.

Marc

I have to say, this being an electrical sensitivity list and all, and
it seems with all that we have uncovered about the health risks of
wireless radiation, using a cordless phone is not the goal for me.
What is wrong with a long cord?
I'll be the first one in line if someone came up with a photon based
communication system but until then, any level of microwave radiation
creates unhealthy cells.
Andrew

On May 27, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Marc Martin wrote:

Yes, I agree, it's not because you don't feel it, it doesn't harm your immunity...

That's what Dietrich posted a month ago, emf always causes blood clogging (unless you wear Bioprotect card/...).

An old analog (non-dect) cordless phone is probably much better emf-wise compared to a dect cordless phone, but I have corded phones only, because no emf is always better!

Stephen.

Copy/paste from Dietrich's message (18168):

taking care of the immune system may clear up the electrosensitivity, notthe use of gizmos. But once you are healed and dont feel negative effectsbeing exposed to electromagnetic waves, this does not mean, that the body isnot any more stressed by electromagnetic waves. The clogging of the redbloodcells still happens and the changes of the brain wave patterns. The bodyhas to work hard, to cope with this every day 24 hours. So it would bewise to still use some protection.








--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:

> Yes, I agree, it's not because you don't feel it, it doesn't harm your
> immunity...

Yes, although strictly speaking, with electrical sensitivity, it's what
you *feel* that matters... :-)

<arc

>> Yes, I agree, it's not because you don't feel it, it doesn't harm your
>> immunity...
>
> Yes, although strictly speaking, with electrical sensitivity, it's what
> you *feel* that matters... :-)
>
> <arc

I have to really disagree here. Naturally, what you feel matters. But a
background of a variety of EMF frequencies that you don't feel are still
adding to your body's overall "EMF burden" and could likely make the forms
that you feel more irritating.

In other words, if someone was punching you in the arm all day long (like in
that stupid Volkswagen ad campaign) the final punch of the day would hurt a
lot more than if it was the only one you received.

Emil

> > Yes, although strictly speaking, with electrical sensitivity, it's what
> > you *feel* that matters... :-)
>
> I have to really disagree here. Naturally, what you feel matters. But a
> background of a variety of EMF frequencies that you don't feel are still
> adding to your body's overall "EMF burden" and could likely make the
> forms that you feel more irritating.

Yes, that's true -- I have certainly been able to reduce my own symptoms
in one location by reducing my exposure in other locations.

Marc

Hi Estelle,
 
Was your favorite phone a panasonic KX-TG2205, 2.4 ghz phone?  I have that phone and love it, but also cannot find another now which I tolerate.  You can still get batts for these, but last one I got doesn't hold a charge very long.  It does enable me to carry the phone to another safe phone, tho, when I am out on the porch or in the garden, etc.
 
Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one,  ;)
 
Diane

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Subject: [eSens] Cordless Phones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 12:45 AM


 



Hello,

I had a wonderful cordless phone that is nine years old. Never bothered
me at all. The phone finally died and I had to get a new one. Well, I am
so terribly sensitive to the new phone. Even if I hold it for just a few
minutes I feel electrified. Horrible.
I tried to contact Panasonic, the company that made my old phone to see if
I could get that very phone again. Nope, their not making it any longer...

Does anyone have a suggestion for a cordless phone that may not bother me?

Thanks,

Estelle

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> Was your favorite phone a panasonic KX-TG2205, 2.4 ghz phone?  I have
> that phone and love it, but also cannot find another now which I
> tolerate. 
> Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one,  ;)

You should set up an automatic search on eBay, searching for that
model number. It may turn up, one day...

I do this for all sorts of items that have been discontinued, but
still show up from time to time on eBay.

Marc

Thanks, Marc,
 
Does this mean I have to be Ebay savvy?  lol  I don't do twitter,Ebay, or Facebook.  Does that mean I am clueless?  ;)  (Okay, I admit to being abit clueless!)
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Fri, 5/28/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 4:36 PM


 



> Was your favorite phone a panasonic KX-TG2205, 2.4 ghz phone?  I have
> that phone and love it, but also cannot find another now which I
> tolerate. 
> Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one,  ;)

You should set up an automatic search on eBay, searching for that
model number. It may turn up, one day...

I do this for all sorts of items that have been discontinued, but
still show up from time to time on eBay.

Marc








     

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Yes, that was my phone. I keep trying to find it.. Good luck to you,


Estelle


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Don't feel bad I have no idea how to surf ebay either. I guess just diggingin is the best way! lol
 
Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones
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Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 1:45 PM


 



Thanks, Marc,
 
Does this mean I have to be Ebay savvy?  lol  I don't do twitter,Ebay, or Facebook.  Does that mean I am clueless?  ;)  (Okay, I admit to being abit clueless!)
 
Thanks,
Diane

--- On Fri, 5/28/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 4:36 PM

 

> Was your favorite phone a panasonic KX-TG2205, 2.4 ghz phone?  I have
> that phone and love it, but also cannot find another now which I
> tolerate. 
> Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one,  ;)

You should set up an automatic search on eBay, searching for that
model number. It may turn up, one day...

I do this for all sorts of items that have been discontinued, but
still show up from time to time on eBay.

Marc

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> Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one,  ;)

Isn't this the phone you are looking for?

http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617

I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
tolerable for people with ES?

Marc

I remember reading an old post from Charles mentioning that his wife had serious es-problems with some DECT-phones and not with other DECT-phones...

So I suppose not all DECT-phones emit 100% exactly the same signal... Although I'm sure we should all get rid of them ;-)

Stephen.






--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

Hi Estelle



My sympathies with your phone plight!



First - I use Skype for all my calls, both incoming and outgoing - we have a
Skypein number that people on mobiles and landlines can call at the same
rate as normal landlines. It's a small monthly fee and includes free
landline calls to your own country. This leaves us free to choose between
headphones and speakers etc, the call quality is brilliant, and anyway, lots
of our friends are getting on Skype. It's the way to go! Every call is
recorded (handy) and my entire contact list is available with a click, and
it's always on even when I go away to someone else's house, I just log on as
me.



Second - we CANNOT use our corded landline phones at all!!! It varies, but
we get similar aches and pains to using a mobile phone, can you believe it?
Not quite so bad, but still bad! It happens on most/all corded landline
phones we try. I think the long wires to the exchange pick up stray stuff
and deliver them to your ear (or ADSL signals get through the filter?) When
I rarely use my home phone line I use an old FM Cordless (with the sticky
out antenna!) I got to say it works a TREAT!!! Again, you can find them on
ebay from time to time - I guess search FM CORDLESS PHONE, or car boot
sales, or WANTED on freecycle etc.



What I can tell you is DECT is a no-no for us! Actually a
nooooooooooooooooo-nooooooooooooooooooo !!! And not just the handset when on
a call - but the continuous base station emissions. Output from DECT base is
"twice that from a mobile phone mast":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-376279/Cordless-home-phones-sparks
-radiation-fear.html

Our neighbour has a DECT phone (ours is a semi-detached house) and when they
turn it on it completely disables us - after several hours we can't
function, think, walk straight and it's painful. As we both work from home
it's impossible. We bought them an 'Orchid' phone (www.lowradiation.co.uk
<http://www.lowradiation.co.uk/> ) so they can have their DECT but with the
Orchid that terrible DECT Base Station is not transmitting 24/7 - only when
on a call and only at the power needed to connect, not full power. That
works fine for us and luckily they were ok to do it. Don't think Orchid is
available in US, nor any equivalent, if it was me, I would find a way to
adapt it! (only for a neighbour - we would never use one!)



In the UK there is a further complication. Our largest ISP is BT and they
supply a free BT Home Hub to every broadband customer. What they don't tell
them is that it has a DECT base station in it - whether you use it or not (a
DECT handset only comes free with their top rate "Total Broadband", so very
few actually use the DECT function - but it always on anyway). Now: if you
disable Telephony in the hub's software, the DECT stays ON! Eeeek! And it's
a particularly powerful one. Why would they do that? It was a mystery to me
until I discovered that they are creating in effect another mobile phone
network, so one user can take their DECT handset with them wherever they go
and piggy back off others' Home Hubs without them ever even realising it.

And this is why they are so powerful - it's crafty and sneaky - BT are
sneakily getting their own secondary mobile network by putting a phone mast
INSIDE everyone's home without them even realising it, or being able to
disable it (short of chucking it in the bin and getting a proper router -
preferably wired not WiFi).

And the extra tragedy is that it means that most homes now have TWO DECT
base stations - their landline one and the hidden BT Home Hub one - awful!
I've met many ordinary people whose lives/health have been transformed just
by this essential knowledge!



And now our next door neighbour just got BT and their Home Hub too - it
totally floored us within hours - and they wanted to actually use the hub's
DECT handset too. The only way we could get them back onto using our Orchid
phones was to promise to move - which we ARE now doing - to a detached house
somewhere well away from pulsed microwaves! Can't wait - we still are having
to endure their Wifi - about 10-20% as bad as the DECT but still there.



I should say that the level of DECT signals is quite low in our house: our
MW1 Electrosmog Detector - modified with foil to make it sensitive right
down to about 0.01V/metre can only just pick it up at the party wall - yet
its effect pervades the whole house, so we have shown that it's not been
manufactured with enough sensitivity. It can't pick up the WiFi anywhere in
our house - but it still affects us. I believe we are all getting more
sensitive as we go along, and the metres are having to keep up!



One last thing - people say don't use a mobile in a car, because it's like a
microwave oven - well the same applies to our house!!! It's brand new and
fully lined with this aluminum foil backed insulation panels, even the roof
- so next door's microwaves have nowhere to go - they keep bouncing around
until they find a window, probably. Maybe this is why it affects us so
badly?



Take care

Spread the word :-)

John









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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
[hidden email]
Sent: 27 May 2010 05:46
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Cordless Phones





Hello,

I had a wonderful cordless phone that is nine years old. Never bothered
me at all. The phone finally died and I had to get a new one. Well, I am
so terribly sensitive to the new phone. Even if I hold it for just a few
minutes I feel electrified. Horrible.
I tried to contact Panasonic, the company that made my old phone to see if
I could get that very phone again. Nope, their not making it any longer...

Does anyone have a suggestion for a cordless phone that may not bother me?

Thanks,

Estelle

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Maybe it's just not DECT, even though it's 2.4 Ghz."Gigarange Signal"

Another lnk:
http://www.jogjaponsel.com/panasonic-kx-tg2227s-cordless-telephone.html



It has an sticky-out ariel, which I don't think DECT's do.



The DECT 100Hz pulsing is particularly disruptive to our energy systems, not
the 2.4Ghz necessarily



John



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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 29 May 2010 15:56
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones





> Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)

Isn't this the phone you are looking for?

http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
<http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
&ItemID=5617

I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
tolerable for people with ES?

Marc





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Hi, John
Can you put your findings and experiences on this site below as many otherswould find this useful.
Cheers
Giles
http://www.es-uk.info/forums/index.asp


--- On Sat, 29/5/10, John Jamieson <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: John Jamieson <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Cordless Phones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 29 May, 2010, 17:26















 
 



 


   
     
     
Hi Estelle



My sympathies with your phone plight!



First - I use Skype for all my calls, both incoming and outgoing - we have a

Skypein number that people on mobiles and landlines can call at the same

rate as normal landlines. It's a small monthly fee and includes free

landline calls to your own country. This leaves us free to choose between

headphones and speakers etc, the call quality is brilliant, and anyway, lots

of our friends are getting on Skype. It's the way to go! Every call is

recorded (handy) and my entire contact list is available with a click, and

it's always on even when I go away to someone else's house, I just log on as

me.



Second - we CANNOT use our corded landline phones at all!!! It varies, but

we get similar aches and pains to using a mobile phone, can you believe it?

Not quite so bad, but still bad! It happens on most/all corded landline

phones we try. I think the long wires to the exchange pick up stray stuff

and deliver them to your ear (or ADSL signals get through the filter?) When

I rarely use my home phone line I use an old FM Cordless (with the sticky

out antenna!) I got to say it works a TREAT!!! Again, you can find them on

ebay from time to time - I guess search FM CORDLESS PHONE, or car boot

sales, or WANTED on freecycle etc.



What I can tell you is DECT is a no-no for us! Actually a

nooooooooooooooooo-nooooooooooooooooooo !!! And not just the handset when on

a call - but the continuous base station emissions. Output from DECT base is

"twice that from a mobile phone mast":



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-376279/Cordless-home-phones-sparks

-radiation-fear.html



Our neighbour has a DECT phone (ours is a semi-detached house) and when they

turn it on it completely disables us - after several hours we can't

function, think, walk straight and it's painful. As we both work from home

it's impossible. We bought them an 'Orchid' phone (www.lowradiation.co.uk

<http://www.lowradiation.co.uk/> ) so they can have their DECT but with the

Orchid that terrible DECT Base Station is not transmitting 24/7 - only when

on a call and only at the power needed to connect, not full power. That

works fine for us and luckily they were ok to do it. Don't think Orchid is

available in US, nor any equivalent, if it was me, I would find a way to

adapt it! (only for a neighbour - we would never use one!)



In the UK there is a further complication. Our largest ISP is BT and they

supply a free BT Home Hub to every broadband customer. What they don't tell

them is that it has a DECT base station in it - whether you use it or not (a

DECT handset only comes free with their top rate "Total Broadband", so very

few actually use the DECT function - but it always on anyway). Now: if you

disable Telephony in the hub's software, the DECT stays ON! Eeeek! And it's

a particularly powerful one. Why would they do that? It was a mystery to me

until I discovered that they are creating in effect another mobile phone

network, so one user can take their DECT handset with them wherever they go

and piggy back off others' Home Hubs without them ever even realising it.



And this is why they are so powerful - it's crafty and sneaky - BT are

sneakily getting their own secondary mobile network by putting a phone mast

INSIDE everyone's home without them even realising it, or being able to

disable it (short of chucking it in the bin and getting a proper router -

preferably wired not WiFi).



And the extra tragedy is that it means that most homes now have TWO DECT

base stations - their landline one and the hidden BT Home Hub one - awful!

I've met many ordinary people whose lives/health have been transformed just

by this essential knowledge!



And now our next door neighbour just got BT and their Home Hub too - it

totally floored us within hours - and they wanted to actually use the hub's

DECT handset too. The only way we could get them back onto using our Orchid

phones was to promise to move - which we ARE now doing - to a detached house

somewhere well away from pulsed microwaves! Can't wait - we still are having

to endure their Wifi - about 10-20% as bad as the DECT but still there.



I should say that the level of DECT signals is quite low in our house: our

MW1 Electrosmog Detector - modified with foil to make it sensitive right

down to about 0.01V/metre can only just pick it up at the party wall - yet

its effect pervades the whole house, so we have shown that it's not been

manufactured with enough sensitivity. It can't pick up the WiFi anywhere in

our house - but it still affects us. I believe we are all getting more

sensitive as we go along, and the metres are having to keep up!



One last thing - people say don't use a mobile in a car, because it's like a

microwave oven - well the same applies to our house!!! It's brand new and

fully lined with this aluminum foil backed insulation panels, even the roof

- so next door's microwaves have nowhere to go - they keep bouncing around

until they find a window, probably. Maybe this is why it affects us so

badly?



Take care



Spread the word :-)



John



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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of

[hidden email]

Sent: 27 May 2010 05:46

To: [hidden email]

Subject: [eSens] Cordless Phones



Hello,



I had a wonderful cordless phone that is nine years old. Never bothered

me at all. The phone finally died and I had to get a new one. Well, I am

so terribly sensitive to the new phone. Even if I hold it for just a few

minutes I feel electrified. Horrible.

I tried to contact Panasonic, the company that made my old phone to see if

I could get that very phone again. Nope, their not making it any longer...



Does anyone have a suggestion for a cordless phone that may not bother me?



Thanks,



Estelle



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John,

Thank you so much for this information. I don't have skype yet but it's
worth looking into.

Such a difficult problem, this electro-sensitivity. It saddens me because
before I lived near power lines I had no such problem.

I'm happy you are moving which should make things better for you and yours.

What you said about cordless phones amazed me. I have one in my house but
I've not used it often enough to determine if it's a big problem. I've
been talking less and less on the phone.

Thanks for all the good information.

You take care as well and I will spread the word.

Estelle






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This might just be the phone I had that I could tolerate, Marc. So
frustrating. Perhaps I should try this refurbished phone.

John, what is the upside of FM cordless phones. When I search I can't
find any.

Thanks. You are quite knowledgeable.

Estelle


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