Cordless Phones

> Estelle,
>
>
>
> The upside of an FM phone is a) not in the microwave range, therefore not
> so
> obviously exciting our water molecules and our nervous system, and b) not
> a
> PULSED but simple analogue waveform. I have found this completely benign
> for
> me (far, far, better than a corded phone which can be very painful to
> use).
>
>
>
> The reason you can't find them is because they are not made anymore, as
> far
> as I know. But if you hunt you should find one, I'm sure many people
> have
> their old ones stuffed away in cupboards, garage, etc. - try Freecycle
> WANTED ad, or friends, or even local electrical store might have one on a
> shelf somewhere! They don't appear on ebay often it seems, but you could
> put
> a search in for FM cordless and see what turns up (though most people
> don't
> know to use the term FM). The infallible way to identify an FM phone and
> the way to describe what you want is that the handset WILL have an
> extendedable arial that you pull out - mine comes out to about 9" which
> with
> the length inside the phone makes up the required for the FM wavelength -
> again, see this link (near the bottom):
>
> http://telecom.hellodirect.com/docs/Tutorials/5.8GHzFrequency.1.031903.asp
>
>
>
> Just ask for any cordless that has an extendable arial of at least 8" and
> you'll be fine. You may need to order a new battery for its handset
> though.
>
>
>
> And it may be that you are fine with a simple corded one, have you tried?
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
> John
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> [hidden email]
> Sent: 30 May 2010 05:23
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones
>
>
>
>
>
> This might just be the phone I had that I could tolerate, Marc. So
> frustrating. Perhaps I should try this refurbished phone.
>
> John, what is the upside of FM cordless phones. When I search I can't
> find any.
>
> Thanks. You are quite knowledgeable.
>
> Estelle
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>
> Maybe it's just not DECT, even though it's 2.4 Ghz."Gigarange Signal"
>
> Another lnk:
> http://www.jogjaponsel.com/panasonic-kx-tg2227s-cordless-telephone.html
>
>
>
> It has an sticky-out ariel, which I don't think DECT's do.
>
>
>
> The DECT 100Hz pulsing is particularly disruptive to our energy systems,

> the 2.4Ghz necessarily
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones
>
>
>
>
>
> > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)
>
> Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
>
> http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon

> &ItemID=5617
>
> I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
> tolerable for people with ES?
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> We recently ordered broadband from BT and were sent the BT Home Hub as a
> default. But not a problem, we simply rang them up and asked them to send
> us an old-style wired Voyager 220 modem, and they did no - no trouble, no
> charge. They also sent a bag to return the Home Hub in. Worth knowing that
> this option exists! Sue has never had any ES problems with the Voyager.
>  
> Ian
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of John
> Jamieson
> Sent: 02 June 2010 12:16
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
>
>  
>
> Hi Kooky,
>
> So glad to hear you are worried!
>
> Here are some options for what to do about your BT hub:
>
> a) drop it off an extremely high cliff or building
>
> b) massage it with a sledge hammer
>
> c) put it under a steam roller
>
> d) put it on ebay; but then do you really want to send a death-ray
> machine to a fellow human !
>
> But, fear not! Your BT line will accept ANY router, you are not tied to BT
> routers AT ALL! (Most people have trouble believing this!) I have BT and a
> Netgear DG834 ADSL wired router, and all is hunky dory. (see previous email)
>
> There's something particularly insidious about the BT Home Hub, it seems
> particularly powerful. Possibly it's the combined new 5Ghz WiFi it
> incorporates, but the DECT signal seems very strong. When next door put
> theirs on, the home hub's DECT signal was dectectable all over our house,
> whereas their normal DECT phone only registering by the party wall, as I
> have explained earlier.
>
> When I first tested my new, sexy looking BT Home Hub 2 some time ago, I
> noticed Leela looked ill. She was some 6m away and I asked her if she wasOk
> (she had no idea what I was doing and I had no idea I might be creating a
> problem). She said she felt awful, wobbly, tingles and then 'like mobile
> next to my ear'. Then I twigged and discretely turned off the hub. Instantly
> she felt fine again, and had no idea what I was doing!
>
> When the neighbour turned on their home hub recently, we quickly felt very
> bad - actually, incapacitated! Thankfully we negotiated with them to turnit
> off!
>
> A 16 yr old friend couldn't sleep at night, turned out next door has a home
> hub near her bedroom - she put up layers of aluminum foil between and sleeps
> reasonably well again (and is VERY relieved and thankful!) I have many
> examples like this from personal experience. I think this is going on all
> over the country.
>
> Turn it off!
>
> Best
>
> John
>
> 0208 133 2413 (my Skype number - normal London landline number, but I'm in
> Cornwall)
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> furstc0404
> Sent: 01 June 2010 22:22
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
> Hi John
>
> I am using BT Home Hub, and following your post, worried!!
>
> How can I diffuse the Home Hub. I am moving soon and
> thought of using O2. Or is there any other ISP you
> could recommend? What about the smaller companies?
>
> Thanks
>
> Kooky
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
> Jamieson" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe it's just not DECT, even though it's 2.4 Ghz."Gigarange Signal"
> >
> > Another lnk:
> > http://www.jogjaponsel.com/panasonic-kx-tg2227s-cordless-telephone.html
> >
> >
> >
> > It has an sticky-out ariel, which I don't think DECT's do.
> >
> >
> >
> > The DECT 100Hz pulsing is particularly disruptive to our energy systems,
> not
> > the 2.4Ghz necessarily
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of Marc
> > Martin
> > Sent: 29 May 2010 15:56
> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)
> >
> > Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
> >
> > http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> > <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
> &ItemID=5617>
> &ItemID=5617>
> > &ItemID=5617
> >
> > I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
> > tolerable for people with ES?
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Seems good news for those living in the UK... Kooky will be happy with that! ;-)
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
> >
> > We recently ordered broadband from BT and were sent the BT Home Hub as a
> > default. But not a problem, we simply rang them up and asked them to send
> > us an old-style wired Voyager 220 modem, and they did no - no trouble, no
> > charge. They also sent a bag to return the Home Hub in. Worth knowingthat
> > this option exists! Sue has never had any ES problems with the Voyager.
> >  
> > Ian
> >
> > _____  
> >
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf OfJohn
> > Jamieson
> > Sent: 02 June 2010 12:16
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > Hi Kooky,
> >
> > So glad to hear you are worried!
> >
> > Here are some options for what to do about your BT hub:
> >
> > a) drop it off an extremely high cliff or building
> >
> > b) massage it with a sledge hammer
> >
> > c) put it under a steam roller
> >
> > d) put it on ebay; but then do you really want to send a death-ray
> > machine to a fellow human !
> >
> > But, fear not! Your BT line will accept ANY router, you are not tied toBT
> > routers AT ALL! (Most people have trouble believing this!) I have BT and a
> > Netgear DG834 ADSL wired router, and all is hunky dory. (see previous email)
> >
> > There's something particularly insidious about the BT Home Hub, it seems
> > particularly powerful. Possibly it's the combined new 5Ghz WiFi it
> > incorporates, but the DECT signal seems very strong. When next door put
> > theirs on, the home hub's DECT signal was dectectable all over our house,
> > whereas their normal DECT phone only registering by the party wall, as I
> > have explained earlier.
> >
> > When I first tested my new, sexy looking BT Home Hub 2 some time ago, I
> > noticed Leela looked ill. She was some 6m away and I asked her if she was Ok
> > (she had no idea what I was doing and I had no idea I might be creatinga
> > problem). She said she felt awful, wobbly, tingles and then 'like mobile
> > next to my ear'. Then I twigged and discretely turned off the hub. Instantly
> > she felt fine again, and had no idea what I was doing!
> >
> > When the neighbour turned on their home hub recently, we quickly felt very
> > bad - actually, incapacitated! Thankfully we negotiated with them to turn it
> > off!
> >
> > A 16 yr old friend couldn't sleep at night, turned out next door has a home
> > hub near her bedroom - she put up layers of aluminum foil between and sleeps
> > reasonably well again (and is VERY relieved and thankful!) I have many
> > examples like this from personal experience. I think this is going on all
> > over the country.
> >
> > Turn it off!
> >
> > Best
> >
> > John
> >
> > 0208 133 2413 (my Skype number - normal London landline number, but I'min
> > Cornwall)
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> > Of
> > furstc0404
> > Sent: 01 June 2010 22:22
> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
> >
> > Hi John
> >
> > I am using BT Home Hub, and following your post, worried!!
> >
> > How can I diffuse the Home Hub. I am moving soon and
> > thought of using O2. Or is there any other ISP you
> > could recommend? What about the smaller companies?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kooky
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
> > Jamieson" <john@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe it's just not DECT, even though it's 2.4 Ghz."Gigarange Signal"
> > >
> > > Another lnk:
> > > http://www.jogjaponsel.com/panasonic-kx-tg2227s-cordless-telephone.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It has an sticky-out ariel, which I don't think DECT's do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The DECT 100Hz pulsing is particularly disruptive to our energy systems,
> > not
> > > the 2.4Ghz necessarily
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> > Of Marc
> > > Martin
> > > Sent: 29 May 2010 15:56
> > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)
> > >
> > > Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
> > >
> > > http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> > > <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> > <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> > <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
> > &ItemID=5617>
> > &ItemID=5617>
> > > &ItemID=5617
> > >
> > > I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
> > > tolerable for people with ES?
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>
> Ah yes, Charles, those were the recordings I was thinking of:
>
> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
>
> – that's a very good page (even if it does feel `horrible' listening
> to those recordings!)
>
>  
>
> Sorry for confusion on authorship.
>
>  
>
> I'm glad you've tested all the meters, because I'm confused and possibly you
> can help?
>
> My (modified) MW1 supposedly goes down to ~0.02 V/m but I want something
> more sensitive so that I can measure the actual levels in those areas where
> we know were are affected but the MW1 is not registering. It's also nice to
> hear the pulsing sound too. And discrimination of frequency might be nice
> (such as if there's 5Ghz around – MW1 doesn't even go that high).
>
> I was recommended to try The Acoustimeter,
>
> http://www.emfields.org/equipment/acoustimeter.asp
>
> but is only again specified down to 0.02 V/m.
>
> Can you recommend a more sensitive one? Maybe down to 0.005 V/m or even
> 0.001 V/m
>
>  
>
> Many thanks
>
> John
>
>  
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> charles
> Sent: 02 June 2010 12:14
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Hello John,
>
> no, I am not the provider of:
> http://microondes.wordpress.com/
>
> Btw. I do not agree with his high frequency meter comparison. Especially
> when one does not read the manual correctly.
> I do posess most of the elektrosmog meters available on the market, and have
> tested them.
> And have those published.
>
> I have www.milieuziektes.nl and (www.hetbitje.nl)
> where most of it is in english starting Pagina100.html
> or click on the english flag.
>
> Under Info (Pagina109.html) I have a large collection of recorded
> elektrosmog modulations.
>
> It is my opinion, that the longitudinal waves are the most harmful parts of
> the elektrosmog.
>
> I have also the impression, that they can travel farther, so over a greater
> distance, than the normal transversal waves.
>
> Otherwises I cannot explain a number of rare experiences, where the
> assumption of longitudinal waves form the only acceptable explanation.
>
> *het bitje* forms my e-zines, my free downloadable PDF publications about
> elektrosmog and meters/detectors.
> They are in dutch, german and english.
>
> From Barrie Trower I got some information about his found (low)frequencies
> and the correspponding effects.
> But I have more questions for him.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Jamieson" <john@...
> <mailto:john%40theomegashift.com> >
> To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
> Thanks for clarifications Charles
>
> And it seems Siemens Eco Mode Plus phones are available in USA too:
>
> http://www.emfrf.com/index.php/emf-rf/company/owners-blog/low-emf-cordless-p
> hones-now-available.html
>
> Yes, DECT appears not to be 2.4Ghz, but a bit lower, though it's the pulsing
> 100Hz that's the problem
>
> Plus I saw that output varies on:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Telecommunications
>
> "Average transmission power: 10 mW (250 mW peak) in Europe, 4 mW (100 mW
> peak) in the US"
>
> again another reason why there may be different effects (not sure if those
> figures refer to base or handset or both)
>
> Still, looks like USA DECT users get less of a hit!
>
> I forget to mention that you are the provider of the excellent
> http://microondes.wordpress.com/
>
> Thanks for that site!
>
> Do you have any research on particular problems 'longitudinal waves' and our
> pulsed microwave sources, and how their biological effects may differ from
> transverse waves?
>
> Cheers
>
> John
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> charles
> Sent: 30 May 2010 14:12
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
> Wrong and right interpretations.
>
> I have stated that my wife did not react to a strong DECT signal, although
> she *felt* it, but a few minutes later she experienced strong reactions by a
> very weak DECT signal, which I also measured.
>
> DECT signals consist also of frequency hopping, pulsrate of 100 Hz and
> bandwith of 1880-1900 MHz.
> However, it is the carried information which is the determining factor for
> biological reactions.
> (Listen to the difference in modulation between a DECT modulation and the
> generated waveforms by me in my collection.)
>
> And that comes into the controversial field of longitudinal waves.
> They travel over a longer or greater distance than the normal transversal
> waves.
>
> When passing through a shielding, their properties can change also.
>
> PS. cordless phones, that work fine overhere are the Orchid's, EcoMode Plus.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...
> <mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com>
> <mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> >
> To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:30 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
> I remember reading an old post from Charles mentioning that his wife had
> serious es-problems with some DECT-phones and not with other DECT-phones...
>
> So I suppose not all DECT-phones emit 100% exactly the same signal...
> Although I'm sure we should all get rid of them ;-)
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc
> Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)
> >
> > Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
> >
> > http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
> &ItemID=5617>
> &ItemID=5617
> >
> > I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
> > tolerable for people with ES?
> >
> > Marc
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Ah yes, Charles, those were the recordings I was thinking of:
>
> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
>
> - that's a very good page (even if it does feel `horrible' listening
> to those recordings!)
>
>  
>
> Sorry for confusion on authorship.
>
>  
>
> I'm glad you've tested all the meters, because I'm confused and possibly you
> can help?
>
> My (modified) MW1 supposedly goes down to ~0.02 V/m but I want something
> more sensitive so that I can measure the actual levels in those areas where
> we know were are affected but the MW1 is not registering. It's also nice to
> hear the pulsing sound too. And discrimination of frequency might be nice
> (such as if there's 5Ghz around - MW1 doesn't even go that high).
>
> I was recommended to try The Acoustimeter,
>
> http://www.emfields.org/equipment/acoustimeter.asp
>
> but is only again specified down to 0.02 V/m.
>
> Can you recommend a more sensitive one? Maybe down to 0.005 V/m or even
> 0.001 V/m
>
>  
>
> Many thanks
>
> John
>
>  
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> charles
> Sent: 02 June 2010 12:14
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Hello John,
>
> no, I am not the provider of:
> http://microondes.wordpress.com/
>
> Btw. I do not agree with his high frequency meter comparison. Especially
> when one does not read the manual correctly.
> I do posess most of the elektrosmog meters available on the market, and have
> tested them.
> And have those published.
>
> I have www.milieuziektes.nl and (www.hetbitje.nl)
> where most of it is in english starting Pagina100.html
> or click on the english flag.
>
> Under Info (Pagina109.html) I have a large collection of recorded
> elektrosmog modulations.
>
> It is my opinion, that the longitudinal waves are the most harmful parts of
> the elektrosmog.
>
> I have also the impression, that they can travel farther, so over a greater
> distance, than the normal transversal waves.
>
> Otherwises I cannot explain a number of rare experiences, where the
> assumption of longitudinal waves form the only acceptable explanation.
>
> *het bitje* forms my e-zines, my free downloadable PDF publications about
> elektrosmog and meters/detectors.
> They are in dutch, german and english.
>
> From Barrie Trower I got some information about his found (low)frequencies
> and the correspponding effects.
> But I have more questions for him.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Jamieson" <john@...
> <mailto:john%40theomegashift.com> >
> To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
> Thanks for clarifications Charles
>
> And it seems Siemens Eco Mode Plus phones are available in USA too:
>
> http://www.emfrf.com/index.php/emf-rf/company/owners-blog/low-emf-cordless-p
> hones-now-available.html
>
> Yes, DECT appears not to be 2.4Ghz, but a bit lower, though it's the pulsing
> 100Hz that's the problem
>
> Plus I saw that output varies on:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Telecommunications
>
> "Average transmission power: 10 mW (250 mW peak) in Europe, 4 mW (100 mW
> peak) in the US"
>
> again another reason why there may be different effects (not sure if those
> figures refer to base or handset or both)
>
> Still, looks like USA DECT users get less of a hit!
>
> I forget to mention that you are the provider of the excellent
> http://microondes.wordpress.com/
>
> Thanks for that site!
>
> Do you have any research on particular problems 'longitudinal waves' and our
> pulsed microwave sources, and how their biological effects may differ from
> transverse waves?
>
> Cheers
>
> John
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> Of
> charles
> Sent: 30 May 2010 14:12
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
> Wrong and right interpretations.
>
> I have stated that my wife did not react to a strong DECT signal, although
> she *felt* it, but a few minutes later she experienced strong reactions by a
> very weak DECT signal, which I also measured.
>
> DECT signals consist also of frequency hopping, pulsrate of 100 Hz and
> bandwith of 1880-1900 MHz.
> However, it is the carried information which is the determining factor for
> biological reactions.
> (Listen to the difference in modulation between a DECT modulation and the
> generated waveforms by me in my collection.)
>
> And that comes into the controversial field of longitudinal waves.
> They travel over a longer or greater distance than the normal transversal
> waves.
>
> When passing through a shielding, their properties can change also.
>
> PS. cordless phones, that work fine overhere are the Orchid's, EcoMode Plus.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...
> <mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com>
> <mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> >
> To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:30 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
> I remember reading an old post from Charles mentioning that his wife had
> serious es-problems with some DECT-phones and not with other DECT-phones...
>
> So I suppose not all DECT-phones emit 100% exactly the same signal...
> Although I'm sure we should all get rid of them ;-)
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc
> Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)
> >
> > Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
> >
> > http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
> &ItemID=5617>
> &ItemID=5617
> >
> > I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
> > tolerable for people with ES?
> >
> > Marc
> >
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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>

>
> Hello Stephen,
>
> I recorded them many years ago in our appartment in Rotterdam, which was shielded very well against high frequency.
>
> I used my VLF or HAARP Detektor.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 5:38 PM
> Subject: [eSens] EMF recordings Charles
>
>
> Charles,
>
> A couple of monhs ago I also listened to your "emf-recordings", I didn't feel that much, but when listening to the HAARP-files I got very bad, chest/heart pain, I felt it for at least 2 hours...
>
> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
>
> Where were the HAARP files recorded? Are they all recorded at the same place or in the same country?
>
> thanks,
> Stephen.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "John Jamieson" <john@> wrote:
> >
> > Ah yes, Charles, those were the recordings I was thinking of:
> >
> > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
> >
> > - that's a very good page (even if it does feel `horrible' listening
> > to those recordings!)
> >
> >  
> >
> > Sorry for confusion on authorship.
> >
> >  
> >
> > I'm glad you've tested all the meters, because I'm confused and possibly you
> > can help?
> >
> > My (modified) MW1 supposedly goes down to ~0.02 V/m but I want something
> > more sensitive so that I can measure the actual levels in those areas where
> > we know were are affected but the MW1 is not registering. It's also nice to
> > hear the pulsing sound too. And discrimination of frequency might be nice
> > (such as if there's 5Ghz around - MW1 doesn't even go that high).
> >
> > I was recommended to try The Acoustimeter,
> >
> > http://www.emfields.org/equipment/acoustimeter.asp
> >
> > but is only again specified down to 0.02 V/m.
> >
> > Can you recommend a more sensitive one? Maybe down to 0.005 V/m or even
> > 0.001 V/m
> >
> >  
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > John
> >
> >  
> >
> > _____  
> >
> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > charles
> > Sent: 02 June 2010 12:14
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
> >
> >  
> >
> >  
> >
> > Hello John,
> >
> > no, I am not the provider of:
> > http://microondes.wordpress.com/
> >
> > Btw. I do not agree with his high frequency meter comparison. Especially
> > when one does not read the manual correctly.
> > I do posess most of the elektrosmog meters available on the market, andhave
> > tested them.
> > And have those published.
> >
> > I have www.milieuziektes.nl and (www.hetbitje.nl)
> > where most of it is in english starting Pagina100.html
> > or click on the english flag.
> >
> > Under Info (Pagina109.html) I have a large collection of recorded
> > elektrosmog modulations.
> >
> > It is my opinion, that the longitudinal waves are the most harmful parts of
> > the elektrosmog.
> >
> > I have also the impression, that they can travel farther, so over a greater
> > distance, than the normal transversal waves.
> >
> > Otherwises I cannot explain a number of rare experiences, where the
> > assumption of longitudinal waves form the only acceptable explanation.
> >
> > *het bitje* forms my e-zines, my free downloadable PDF publications about
> > elektrosmog and meters/detectors.
> > They are in dutch, german and english.
> >
> > From Barrie Trower I got some information about his found (low)frequencies
> > and the correspponding effects.
> > But I have more questions for him.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Jamieson" <john@
> > <mailto:john%40theomegashift.com> >
> > To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:52 PM
> > Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
> >
> > Thanks for clarifications Charles
> >
> > And it seems Siemens Eco Mode Plus phones are available in USA too:
> >
> > http://www.emfrf.com/index.php/emf-rf/company/owners-blog/low-emf-cordless-p
> > hones-now-available.html
> >
> > Yes, DECT appears not to be 2.4Ghz, but a bit lower, though it's the pulsing
> > 100Hz that's the problem
> >
> > Plus I saw that output varies on:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Telecommunications
> >
> > "Average transmission power: 10 mW (250 mW peak) in Europe, 4 mW (100 mW
> > peak) in the US"
> >
> > again another reason why there may be different effects (not sure if those
> > figures refer to base or handset or both)
> >
> > Still, looks like USA DECT users get less of a hit!
> >
> > I forget to mention that you are the provider of the excellent
> > http://microondes.wordpress.com/
> >
> > Thanks for that site!
> >
> > Do you have any research on particular problems 'longitudinal waves' and our
> > pulsed microwave sources, and how their biological effects may differ from
> > transverse waves?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > John
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
> > Of
> > charles
> > Sent: 30 May 2010 14:12
> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
> >
> > Wrong and right interpretations.
> >
> > I have stated that my wife did not react to a strong DECT signal, although
> > she *felt* it, but a few minutes later she experienced strong reactionsby a
> > very weak DECT signal, which I also measured.
> >
> > DECT signals consist also of frequency hopping, pulsrate of 100 Hz and
> > bandwith of 1880-1900 MHz.
> > However, it is the carried information which is the determining factor for
> > biological reactions.
> > (Listen to the difference in modulation between a DECT modulation and the
> > generated waveforms by me in my collection.)
> >
> > And that comes into the controversial field of longitudinal waves.
> > They travel over a longer or greater distance than the normal transversal
> > waves.
> >
> > When passing through a shielding, their properties can change also.
> >
> > PS. cordless phones, that work fine overhere are the Orchid's, EcoMode Plus.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@
> > <mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com>
> > <mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> >
> > To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:30 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
> >
> > I remember reading an old post from Charles mentioning that his wife had
> > serious es-problems with some DECT-phones and not with other DECT-phones...
> >
> > So I suppose not all DECT-phones emit 100% exactly the same signal...
> > Although I'm sure we should all get rid of them ;-)
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc
> > Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)
> > >
> > > Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
> > >
> > > http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> > <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
> > <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
> > &ItemID=5617>
> > &ItemID=5617
> > >
> > > I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
> > > tolerable for people with ES?
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
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>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Cheers,
>
> R.
>
> --- On Wed, 6/2/10, charles charles@... wrote:
>
> From: charles charles@...
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
> To: [hidden email]
> Received: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 4:10 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello John,
>
>
>
> The Electrosmog Detector is not sensitive enough in my opinion, and

>
>
>
> The first protoype was much mor sensitive than expected.
>
> Now they are looking for a housing.
>
> Half June, I will know more about it.
>
> Range 10 MHz to 10 GHz.
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Charles Claessens
>
> member Verband Baubiologie
>
> www.milieuziektes.nl
>
> www.milieuziektes.be
>
> www.hetbitje.nl
>
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "John Jamieson" john@...
>
> To: [hidden email]
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM
>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
>
>
> Ah yes, Charles, those were the recordings I was thinking of:
>
>
>
> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
>
>
>
> - that's a very good page (even if it does feel 'horrible'

>
> to those recordings!)
>
>
>
> Sorry for confusion on authorship.
>
>
>
> I'm glad you've tested all the meters, because I'm confused and

>
> (such as if there's 5Ghz around - MW1 doesn't even go that high).
>
>
>
> I was recommended to try The Acoustimeter,
>
>
>
> http://www.emfields.org/equipment/acoustimeter.asp
>
>
>
> but is only again specified down to 0.02 V/m.
>
>
>
> Can you recommend a more sensitive one? Maybe down to 0.005 V/m or

>
> 0.001 V/m
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf

>
> charles
>
> Sent: 02 June 2010 12:14
>
> To: [hidden email]
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
>
>
> Hello John,
>
>
>
> no, I am not the provider of:
>
> http://microondes.wordpress.com/
>
>
>
> Btw. I do not agree with his high frequency meter comparison.

>
> tested them.
>
> And have those published.
>
>
>
> I have www.milieuziektes.nl and (www.hetbitje.nl)
>
> where most of it is in english starting Pagina100.html
>
> or click on the english flag.
>
>
>
> Under Info (Pagina109.html) I have a large collection of recorded
>
> elektrosmog modulations.
>
>
>
> It is my opinion, that the longitudinal waves are the most harmful

>
> distance, than the normal transversal waves.
>
>
>
> Otherwises I cannot explain a number of rare experiences, where the
>
> assumption of longitudinal waves form the only acceptable explanation.
>
>
>
> *het bitje* forms my e-zines, my free downloadable PDF publications

>
> and the correspponding effects.
>
> But I have more questions for him.
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Charles Claessens
>
> member Verband Baubiologie
>
> www.milieuziektes.nl
>
> www.milieuziektes.be
>
> www.hetbitje.nl
>
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "John Jamieson" john@...
>
> <mailto:john%40theomegashift.com> >
>
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:52 PM
>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
>
>
> Thanks for clarifications Charles
>
>
>
> And it seems Siemens Eco Mode Plus phones are available in USA too:
>
>
>
>

>
> 100Hz that's the problem
>
>
>
> Plus I saw that output varies on:
>
>
>
>

>
> figures refer to base or handset or both)
>
>
>
> Still, looks like USA DECT users get less of a hit!
>
>
>
> I forget to mention that you are the provider of the excellent
>
> http://microondes.wordpress.com/
>
>
>
> Thanks for that site!
>
>
>
> Do you have any research on particular problems 'longitudinal waves'

>
> transverse waves?
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> _____
>
>
>
> From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On

>
> Of
>
> charles
>
> Sent: 30 May 2010 14:12
>
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
>
>
> Wrong and right interpretations.
>
>
>
> I have stated that my wife did not react to a strong DECT signal,

>
> very weak DECT signal, which I also measured.
>
>
>
> DECT signals consist also of frequency hopping, pulsrate of 100 Hz and
>
> bandwith of 1880-1900 MHz.
>
> However, it is the carried information which is the determining factor

>
> waves.
>
>
>
> When passing through a shielding, their properties can change also.
>
>
>
> PS. cordless phones, that work fine overhere are the Orchid's, EcoMode

>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> Charles Claessens
>
> member Verband Baubiologie
>
> www.milieuziektes.nl
>
> www.milieuziektes.be
>
> www.hetbitje.nl
>
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" stephen_vandevijvere@...
>
> <mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com>
>
> <mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> >
>
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
>
> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:30 PM
>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
>
>
>
> I remember reading an old post from Charles mentioning that his wife

>
>
>
> So I suppose not all DECT-phones emit 100% exactly the same signal...
>
> Although I'm sure we should all get rid of them ;-)
>
>
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc
>
> Martin" marc@ wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for

>
> >
>
> > Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
>
> >
>
> > http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
>
> <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
>
> <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
>
> &ItemID=5617>
>
> &ItemID=5617
>
> >
>
> > I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
>
> > tolerable for people with ES?
>
> >
>
> > Marc
>
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
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