Cordless Phones

Wrong and right interpretations.

I have stated that my wife did not react to a strong DECT signal, although she *felt* it, but a few minutes later she experienced strong reactions by a very weak DECT signal, which I also measured.

DECT signals consist also of frequency hopping, pulsrate of 100 Hz and bandwith of 1880-1900 MHz.
However, it is the carried information which is the determining factor for biological reactions.
(Listen to the difference in modulation between a DECT modulation and the generated waveforms by me in my collection.)

And that comes into the controversial field of longitudinal waves.
They travel over a longer or greater distance than the normal transversal waves.

When passing through a shielding, their properties can change also.

PS. cordless phones, that work fine overhere are the Orchid's, EcoMode Plus.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:30 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones


I remember reading an old post from Charles mentioning that his wife had serious es-problems with some DECT-phones and not with other DECT-phones...

So I suppose not all DECT-phones emit 100% exactly the same signal... Although I'm sure we should all get rid of them ;-)

Stephen.






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from what I read this phone only emits up to 0.015 watts of RF.
The newer cordless phones go up to 1.0 watts. Apparently the analog
phones were only allowed 0.001 watts at one time. The rules were based on
concern about interference and evesdropping, not brain damage.

I seem to be able to use a corded phone now, but I stay away from those that
plug into an outlet. I also won't have caller ID that plugs in. And the
DSL modem I run off of a linear power supply.

Bill



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>And not just the handset when on
>a call - but the continuous base station emissions. Output from DECT base is
> "twice that from a mobile phone mast":
 
Is that for real? More than a cell phone antenna?  Loni


--- On Sat, 5/29/10, John Jamieson <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: John Jamieson <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Cordless Phones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 9:26 AM


 



Hi Estelle

My sympathies with your phone plight!

First - I use Skype for all my calls, both incoming and outgoing - we have a
Skypein number that people on mobiles and landlines can call at the same
rate as normal landlines. It's a small monthly fee and includes free
landline calls to your own country. This leaves us free to choose between
headphones and speakers etc, the call quality is brilliant, and anyway, lots
of our friends are getting on Skype. It's the way to go! Every call is
recorded (handy) and my entire contact list is available with a click, and
it's always on even when I go away to someone else's house, I just log on as
me.

Second - we CANNOT use our corded landline phones at all!!! It varies, but
we get similar aches and pains to using a mobile phone, can you believe it?
Not quite so bad, but still bad! It happens on most/all corded landline
phones we try. I think the long wires to the exchange pick up stray stuff
and deliver them to your ear (or ADSL signals get through the filter?) When
I rarely use my home phone line I use an old FM Cordless (with the sticky
out antenna!) I got to say it works a TREAT!!! Again, you can find them on
ebay from time to time - I guess search FM CORDLESS PHONE, or car boot
sales, or WANTED on freecycle etc.

What I can tell you is DECT is a no-no for us! Actually a
nooooooooooooooooo-nooooooooooooooooooo !!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-376279/Cordless-home-phones-sparks
-radiation-fear.html

Our neighbour has a DECT phone (ours is a semi-detached house) and when they
turn it on it completely disables us - after several hours we can't
function, think, walk straight and it's painful. As we both work from home
it's impossible. We bought them an 'Orchid' phone (www.lowradiation.co.uk
<http://www.lowradiation.co.uk/> ) so they can have their DECT but with the
Orchid that terrible DECT Base Station is not transmitting 24/7 - only when
on a call and only at the power needed to connect, not full power. That
works fine for us and luckily they were ok to do it. Don't think Orchid is
available in US, nor any equivalent, if it was me, I would find a way to
adapt it! (only for a neighbour - we would never use one!)

In the UK there is a further complication. Our largest ISP is BT and they
supply a free BT Home Hub to every broadband customer. What they don't tell
them is that it has a DECT base station in it - whether you use it or not (a
DECT handset only comes free with their top rate "Total Broadband", so very
few actually use the DECT function - but it always on anyway). Now: if you
disable Telephony in the hub's software, the DECT stays ON! Eeeek! And it's
a particularly powerful one. Why would they do that? It was a mystery to me
until I discovered that they are creating in effect another mobile phone
network, so one user can take their DECT handset with them wherever they go
and piggy back off others' Home Hubs without them ever even realising it.

And this is why they are so powerful - it's crafty and sneaky - BT are
sneakily getting their own secondary mobile network by putting a phone mast
INSIDE everyone's home without them even realising it, or being able to
disable it (short of chucking it in the bin and getting a proper router -
preferably wired not WiFi).

And the extra tragedy is that it means that most homes now have TWO DECT
base stations - their landline one and the hidden BT Home Hub one - awful!
I've met many ordinary people whose lives/health have been transformed just
by this essential knowledge!

And now our next door neighbour just got BT and their Home Hub too - it
totally floored us within hours - and they wanted to actually use the hub's
DECT handset too. The only way we could get them back onto using our Orchid
phones was to promise to move - which we ARE now doing - to a detached house
somewhere well away from pulsed microwaves! Can't wait - we still are having
to endure their Wifi - about 10-20% as bad as the DECT but still there.

I should say that the level of DECT signals is quite low in our house: our
MW1 Electrosmog Detector - modified with foil to make it sensitive right
down to about 0.01V/metre can only just pick it up at the party wall - yet
its effect pervades the whole house, so we have shown that it's not been
manufactured with enough sensitivity. It can't pick up the WiFi anywhere in
our house - but it still affects us. I believe we are all getting more
sensitive as we go along, and the metres are having to keep up!

One last thing - people say don't use a mobile in a car, because it's like a
microwave oven - well the same applies to our house!!! It's brand new and
fully lined with this aluminum foil backed insulation panels, even the roof
- so next door's microwaves have nowhere to go - they keep bouncing around
until they find a window, probably. Maybe this is why it affects us so
badly?

Take care

Spread the word :-)

John

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
[hidden email]
Sent: 27 May 2010 05:46
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Cordless Phones

Hello,

I had a wonderful cordless phone that is nine years old. Never bothered
me at all. The phone finally died and I had to get a new one. Well, I am
so terribly sensitive to the new phone. Even if I hold it for just a few
minutes I feel electrified. Horrible.
I tried to contact Panasonic, the company that made my old phone to see if
I could get that very phone again. Nope, their not making it any longer...

Does anyone have a suggestion for a cordless phone that may not bother me?

Thanks,

Estelle

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Hi, Marc, Estelle, and John,
 
Marc asks, "I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makesit
tolerable for people with ES?"
 
I don't think the signal is as strong as other cordless phones, for one thing (as Bill stated.  Thanks, Bill.)  I also do not think it acts as a DECT phone--I don't notice bad things from it 24/7.  I think it emits only when you are using it.  That said, when I was VERY bad from ES, I did react to this phone while I was holding it.  But it has a great speakerphone function and I could sit 5 or 6 feet away from it and the person on the other end and I could still carry on a comfortable and hearable conversation.  I never used this phone as a regular hand held phone; I only used it as a speaker phone.
 
Diane


--- On Sat, 5/29/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, May 29, 2010, 10:55 AM


 



> Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one,  ;)

Isn't this the phone you are looking for?

http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617

I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
tolerable for people with ES?

Marc








     

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Hi John

I am using BT Home Hub, and following your post, worried!!

How can I diffuse the Home Hub. I am moving soon and
thought of using O2. Or is there any other ISP you
could recommend? What about the smaller companies?

Thanks

Kooky

--- In [hidden email], "John Jamieson" <john@...> wrote:

John

What is a DECT?

I have a BT Home Hub, but I was not given
a phone with it.

So, how do I know if there is a DECT on the
Home Hub or not?

This is of concern to me. I have seizures
which started again three weeks ago, much
worse now ...

Is there anything I can do to disable it?

Am also getting some horrid shooting pains
in the torso. Kind of neuropathic, but not
quite, indescribable pains.

Am confused as to what is causing all this?

Could be ES and not the raw tumeric I ate,
difficult to say.

Kooky

--- In [hidden email], "John Jamieson" <john@...> wrote:

My cordless says DECT on the front of it. Loni

--- On Tue, 6/1/10, furstc0404 <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: furstc0404 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 3:24 PM


 




John

What is a DECT?

I have a BT Home Hub, but I was not given
a phone with it.

So, how do I know if there is a DECT on the
Home Hub or not?

This is of concern to me. I have seizures
which started again three weeks ago, much
worse now ...

Is there anything I can do to disable it?

Am also getting some horrid shooting pains
in the torso. Kind of neuropathic, but not
quite, indescribable pains.

Am confused as to what is causing all this?

Could be ES and not the raw tumeric I ate,
difficult to say.

Kooky

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Ah!

 

I see from this link that not all digital phones are created equal, this is
very interesting:

http://telecom.hellodirect.com/docs/Tutorials/5.8GHzFrequency.1.031903.asp

 

As far as I know, here in the UK, we only have 2.4Ghz DECT standard for
digital phones, in the USA there seem to have been a variety both DECT and
non-DECT. And the new 5.8Ghz is also based on DECT standard it appears.
Interesting background to DECT effects.issues in this pdf file:

http://www.emfacts.com/papers/dect.pdf

 

The main issue I have with DECT is its base station’s continuous 100Hz
pulsing (on-off 100 times a second). Other systems will use other pulse
rates, or none at all – this may account for different responses with
different digital phones. In principle, any 2.4 Ghz DECT base station will
cause similar problems, that’s my experience. And as almost all phones sold
these days are DECT cordless, then if you have neighbours they are probably
sending you their DECT smog. If you live in an apartment, you could be
getting it from several directions.

 

The 100Hz has a nasty enervating effect on both of our nervous systems here
(Me and and my partner, Leela) – after many hours of LOW-LEVEL exposure we
start to feel disorientated, with difficulty focusing first, and then find
it impossible to concentrate on work and with several physical symptoms,
such as tingles, heart arrhythmias, sleep disturbance, feeling like a mobile
phone is up against our ears (probably a pre-sensitised area due to previous
years’ mobile use) etc. etc. Since we work from home, this is a problem!

 

I would like to add that neither of us here are otherwise particularly
electrosensitive otherwise – EMFs are generally not a big issue, though we
are aware and keep transformers etc a few feet away from us as we can feel a
small effect. Mobile phones have become increasingly difficult to use over
the years, to the point now where even a few seconds by the ear can cause
pain for a few hours (fine for short calls with a wired hands free though)

 

Now, all this is at exposures just BELOW what my MW1 Electrosmog detector
(£60 http://www.emfields.org/equipment/mw1.asp ) can pick up. I have
modified it with a foil patch as recommend to improve its standard
sensitivity from 0.05 V/m down to about 0.01 or 0.02 V/m (they claim – it
certainly improves it). When our neighbours (we live in a semi-detached
house) used DECT, they put the base station on their far (outside) wall so
it’s about 5 metres away from our party wall. Even at its modified
sensitivity of ~0.2 V/m the MW1 it only just picks up their DECT signals on
our side of the party wall and about 1m from it – around the rest of the
house it’s silent. Yet my point is that it affects us badly all over the
house, even two stories up on our far side (about 15m away from their DECT
base station). Our aluminum foil lined cavity wall insulation may be partly
responsible (see previous email) as MW1 is directional, and we are probably
being bombarded with reflections from all directions, increasing the effect.

 

So, yes, we should get rid of ALL DECT base stations, all of which transmit
this awful interference to our nervous and electrical systems 24/7 (some
people have DECT based answering machines and don’t even use the DECT
handset, yet are still constantly, unknowingly, exposed). The handsets
themselves only transmit when in use; I can imagine different designs
causing different localized effects on ears and head etc. I’ve found a huge
difference between the short-term intense effect of a DECT phone or mobile
next to my head (similar effects), and the long-term constant assault of the
DECT base. I should say too, that it took us years to become consciously
aware of DECT base effects, though they had been there for a very long time
already. Once we were aware, we quickly learned to recognise the symptoms,
to the point of being unable now to stand be near DECT base stations at all
(supermarket checkout areas are very uncomfortable – most are now completely
saturated in DECT transmissions). I believe our senstivities are all
increasing over time, with the constant exposure, so it’s wise to avoid it
all as far as feasible, as soon as possible, even if you don’t think you are
being affected (because I’m sure everyone is – I expect over a long enough
time, most people, if not everyone, will have discernable symptoms).

 

And we need to be aware of our neighbours too – in our case, just the one
within range of affecting us. Luckily they were open enough (just) to
replacing their DECT with an Orchid phone ( http://lowradiation.co.uk
<http://lowradiation.co.uk/> ). It was like liberation the moment they
installed it! It was like suddenly being able to breath again, like walking
in fresh Spring meadows, like floating around with ease – actually, it was
just like being ‘normal’ again, but the contrast was incredible – best £100
I’ve ever spent (alongside the £60 for MW1 Electrosmog Detector – which I
take everywhere with me, especially if have to stay overnight somewhere to
check it out first).

 

Take care (and invest where needed!)

John

Cornwall

0208 133 2413

 

 

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
stephen_vandevijvere
Sent: 29 May 2010 16:30
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

 

 

I remember reading an old post from Charles mentioning that his wife had
serious es-problems with some DECT-phones and not with other DECT-phones...

So I suppose not all DECT-phones emit 100% exactly the same signal...
Although I'm sure we should all get rid of them ;-)

Stephen.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc
Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)
>
> Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
>
> http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
<http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
&ItemID=5617
>
> I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
> tolerable for people with ES?
>
> Marc
>



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Estelle,



The upside of an FM phone is a) not in the microwave range, therefore not so
obviously exciting our water molecules and our nervous system, and b) not a
PULSED but simple analogue waveform. I have found this completely benign for
me (far, far, better than a corded phone which can be very painful to use).



The reason you can't find them is because they are not made anymore, as far
as I know. But if you hunt you should find one, I'm sure many people have
their old ones stuffed away in cupboards, garage, etc. - try Freecycle
WANTED ad, or friends, or even local electrical store might have one on a
shelf somewhere! They don't appear on ebay often it seems, but you could put
a search in for FM cordless and see what turns up (though most people don't
know to use the term FM). The infallible way to identify an FM phone and
the way to describe what you want is that the handset WILL have an
extendedable arial that you pull out - mine comes out to about 9" which with
the length inside the phone makes up the required for the FM wavelength -
again, see this link (near the bottom):

http://telecom.hellodirect.com/docs/Tutorials/5.8GHzFrequency.1.031903.asp



Just ask for any cordless that has an extendable arial of at least 8" and
you'll be fine. You may need to order a new battery for its handset though.



And it may be that you are fine with a simple corded one, have you tried?



All the best,

John



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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
[hidden email]
Sent: 30 May 2010 05:23
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones





This might just be the phone I had that I could tolerate, Marc. So
frustrating. Perhaps I should try this refurbished phone.

John, what is the upside of FM cordless phones. When I search I can't
find any.

Thanks. You are quite knowledgeable.

Estelle

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There is also another reason.

Those analogue telephones, like the CT1+ are forbidden to be sold anymore.

Even the use is reglemented.
If somebody complaints that your phone is disturbung their reception, you
may experience troubles and fines.

In reality, that will not happen, because the range of these phones are not
far, so they will not hinder others.

In Europe. there are now the DECT Eco Mode Plus, which are radiation free,
as long as you are not phoning.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



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From: "John Jamieson" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 11:21 AM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Cordless Phones

Hi Estelle

 

PLEASE be aware that if you have a digital cordless (DECT) phone on in your
house it will be transmitting harmful 100hz pulses constantly, 24./7 whether
you use it or not !!! Even just using it to charge the handset batteries is
the same.

 

Just turn the base station OFF and then deposit it in the nearest dustbin!  

 

If you don’t already know what those 100Hz pulses sound like, go hear them
here (in the DECT section):

http://microondes.wordpress.com/emf-sounds/

(most people get an instant aversion when they get to hear the sound of the
pulsing microwaves – one short demo on my MW1 is worth more than 1,000
words! It’s as if your body is recognizing it and saying: “YES! That’s
what’s been annoying me and I’ve had no way of telling you!”))

 

Of course, same goes for any WiFi. Although it’s much less of a problem than
DECT at a distance of more than a few metres, if you have a WiFi router in
your house: turn it off for a while, or get long Ethernet cables instead – I
run them out of windows, around the house and back in windows – they squash
quite flat when you close the window!. Here in UK you can get VERY long ones
for a few pounds, look for Cat 5 Cables, eg: here you’ll see many, choose
your length on left:

http://www.ebuyer.com/search?q=cat5+cable

Get ‘snagless’ ones otherwise you’ll end up snagging and breaking offthe
little clip on the plug that holds it securely in its network socket
(snagless have little covers over those clips). Just run the cables from
your router to your computer (they all have network sockets these days), no
set up is usually needed. Plus, performance over network cables is much
better than WiFi!

 

If you have a WiFi router you must then DISABLE the WiFi by getting into the
router setup software (otherwise it still transmits anyway).

This will usually, but not always, stop the WiFi transmissions. Some
research might be required to check. I simply check it’s off with my MW1
Electrosmog detector!

 

There are various ways to do this disabling of WiFi – check the router’s
manual or:

- find your router on:

http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/routerindex.htm

- then skip the advertisement that might come up (click top right)

- then click on the Default Guide link in the line:

“If you do not see the program you are forwarding ports for, be sure to
visit our Default Guide for this router”

-This will give you the address to type into your browser (typically
192.168.1.1 or similar) to access the router

Plus the default Username and password (often Username “admin and Password
“admin” or “password”)

In there you’ll have to find your way to the turn off or disable wireless
networking or similar

 

Alternatively, just buy a wired router, many cheap ones on ebay, they all
should work fine (unless you have an ultra fast connection greater than 8Mb
download – ADSL 2, ADSL2 ADSL MAX then get make sure it’s compatible). A
good reliable one is the Netgear DG834 router/ADLS modem - I bought one off
ebay for £8.50 (+£4.50 P&P) including two 5m network cables.

 

If all else fails, at least turn it all of when you are not using it, and
particularly at night, so you get some respite and recovery time!

 

Obviously that includes your mobile phone too, especially iphones and
blackberry which act as little base stations and CONSTANTLY send out signals
for other iphones/blackberries to connect to, just like a DECT base station
– avoid them completely! (Normal mobiles don’t do much when on and not on a
call – jusy an occasional “I’m still here” signal to the cell mast.)

 

You may also not be aware that Wii and X-box 360s (at least) transmit low
power pulsed microwaves to connect with the remote controls; not only that
but their transmission is also CONSTANT, and get this, even when they are
turned OFF!!!! So, you don’t want to be too close to them, eg in kids
bedrooms next to their bed is not good. Unplug them when not in use is all
you can do.

 

Bear in mind that Bluetooth also uses low level pulsed microwaves. Most
wireless mice and keyboards use it these days; I’ve not noticed any
problems. But precautionary principle means I avoid them. Of course, a
Bluetooth headset in your ear must surely not be a good thing long term,
seems crazy to risk it (though I know some mobile signal sensitives that use
them without problem).

 

With DECT and WiFi etc. off (and assuming you are not near a mobile mast, or
in a WiMax area), see how you feel over the next few days and let us know.

 

Bet you feel better!

John

0208 133 2413

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
[hidden email]
Sent: 29 May 2010 18:22
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones

 

 

John,

Thank you so much for this information. I don't have skype yet but it's
worth looking into.

Such a difficult problem, this electro-sensitivity. It saddens me because
before I lived near power lines I had no such problem.

I'm happy you are moving which should make things better for you and yours.

What you said about cordless phones amazed me. I have one in my house but
I've not used it often enough to determine if it's a big problem. I've
been talking less and less on the phone.

Thanks for all the good information.

You take care as well and I will spread the word.

Estelle





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Yes, Giles I will! That's a new one on me. The BT Home Hub is particularly
important info to disseminate.



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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Christina Steils
Sent: 29 May 2010 18:12
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Cordless Phones





Hi, John
Can you put your findings and experiences on this site below as many others
would find this useful.
Cheers
Giles
http://www.es-uk.info/forums/index.asp

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From: John Jamieson <[hidden email]
<mailto:john%40theomegashift.com> >
Subject: RE: [eSens] Cordless Phones
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 29 May, 2010, 17:26



Hi Estelle

My sympathies with your phone plight!

First - I use Skype for all my calls, both incoming and outgoing - we have a

Skypein number that people on mobiles and landlines can call at the same

rate as normal landlines. It's a small monthly fee and includes free

landline calls to your own country. This leaves us free to choose between

headphones and speakers etc, the call quality is brilliant, and anyway, lots

of our friends are getting on Skype. It's the way to go! Every call is

recorded (handy) and my entire contact list is available with a click, and

it's always on even when I go away to someone else's house, I just log on as

me.

Second - we CANNOT use our corded landline phones at all!!! It varies, but

we get similar aches and pains to using a mobile phone, can you believe it?

Not quite so bad, but still bad! It happens on most/all corded landline

phones we try. I think the long wires to the exchange pick up stray stuff

and deliver them to your ear (or ADSL signals get through the filter?) When

I rarely use my home phone line I use an old FM Cordless (with the sticky

out antenna!) I got to say it works a TREAT!!! Again, you can find them on

ebay from time to time - I guess search FM CORDLESS PHONE, or car boot

sales, or WANTED on freecycle etc.

What I can tell you is DECT is a no-no for us! Actually a

nooooooooooooooooo-nooooooooooooooooooo !!! And not just the handset when on

a call - but the continuous base station emissions. Output from DECT base is

"twice that from a mobile phone mast":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-376279/Cordless-home-phones-sparks

-radiation-fear.html

Our neighbour has a DECT phone (ours is a semi-detached house) and when they

turn it on it completely disables us - after several hours we can't

function, think, walk straight and it's painful. As we both work from home

it's impossible. We bought them an 'Orchid' phone (www.lowradiation.co.uk

<http://www.lowradiation.co.uk/> ) so they can have their DECT but with the

Orchid that terrible DECT Base Station is not transmitting 24/7 - only when

on a call and only at the power needed to connect, not full power. That

works fine for us and luckily they were ok to do it. Don't think Orchid is

available in US, nor any equivalent, if it was me, I would find a way to

adapt it! (only for a neighbour - we would never use one!)

In the UK there is a further complication. Our largest ISP is BT and they

supply a free BT Home Hub to every broadband customer. What they don't tell

them is that it has a DECT base station in it - whether you use it or not (a

DECT handset only comes free with their top rate "Total Broadband", so very

few actually use the DECT function - but it always on anyway). Now: if you

disable Telephony in the hub's software, the DECT stays ON! Eeeek! And it's

a particularly powerful one. Why would they do that? It was a mystery to me

until I discovered that they are creating in effect another mobile phone

network, so one user can take their DECT handset with them wherever they go

and piggy back off others' Home Hubs without them ever even realising it.

And this is why they are so powerful - it's crafty and sneaky - BT are



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Thanks for clarifications Charles

 

And it seems Siemens Eco Mode Plus phones are available in USA too:

http://www.emfrf.com/index.php/emf-rf/company/owners-blog/low-emf-cordless-p
hones-now-available.html

 

Yes, DECT appears not to be 2.4Ghz, but a bit lower, though it’s the pulsing
100Hz that’s the problem

Plus I saw that output varies on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Telecommunications

“Average transmission power: 10 mW (250 mW peak) in Europe, 4 mW (100 mW
peak) in the US”

again another reason why there may be different effects (not sure if those
figures refer to base or handset or both)

Still, looks like USA DECT users get less of a hit!

 

I forget to mention that you are the provider of the excellent
http://microondes.wordpress.com/

Thanks for that site!

 

Do you have any research on particular problems ‘longitudinal waves’ and our
pulsed microwave sources, and how their biological effects may differ from
transverse waves?

 

Cheers

John

 

 

 

_____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
charles
Sent: 30 May 2010 14:12
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

 

 

Wrong and right interpretations.

I have stated that my wife did not react to a strong DECT signal, although
she *felt* it, but a few minutes later she experienced strong reactions by a
very weak DECT signal, which I also measured.

DECT signals consist also of frequency hopping, pulsrate of 100 Hz and
bandwith of 1880-1900 MHz.
However, it is the carried information which is the determining factor for
biological reactions.
(Listen to the difference in modulation between a DECT modulation and the
generated waveforms by me in my collection.)

And that comes into the controversial field of longitudinal waves.
They travel over a longer or greater distance than the normal transversal
waves.

When passing through a shielding, their properties can change also.

PS. cordless phones, that work fine overhere are the Orchid's, EcoMode Plus.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <[hidden email]
<mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> >
To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:30 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

I remember reading an old post from Charles mentioning that his wife had
serious es-problems with some DECT-phones and not with other DECT-phones...

So I suppose not all DECT-phones emit 100% exactly the same signal...
Although I'm sure we should all get rid of them ;-)

Stephen.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc
Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)
>
> Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
>
> http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
<http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
&ItemID=5617
>
> I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
> tolerable for people with ES?
>
> Marc
>

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Hello John,

no, I am not the provider of:
http://microondes.wordpress.com/

Btw. I do not agree with his high frequency meter comparison. Especially when one does not read the manual correctly.
I do posess most of the elektrosmog meters available on the market, and have tested them.
And have those published.


I have www.milieuziektes.nl and (www.hetbitje.nl)
where most of it is in english starting Pagina100.html
or click on the english flag.

Under Info (Pagina109.html) I have a large collection of recorded elektrosmog modulations.

It is my opinion, that the longitudinal waves are the most harmful parts ofthe elektrosmog.

I have also the impression, that they can travel farther, so over a greaterdistance, than the normal transversal waves.

Otherwises I cannot explain a number of rare experiences, where the assumption of longitudinal waves form the only acceptable explanation.

*het bitje* forms my e-zines, my free downloadable PDF publications about elektrosmog and meters/detectors.
They are in dutch, german and english.

from Barrie Trower I got some information about his found (low)frequencies and the correspponding effects.
But I have more questions for him.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton






----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jamieson" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones


Thanks for clarifications Charles

 

And it seems Siemens Eco Mode Plus phones are available in USA too:

http://www.emfrf.com/index.php/emf-rf/company/owners-blog/low-emf-cordless-p
hones-now-available.html

 

Yes, DECT appears not to be 2.4Ghz, but a bit lower, though it's the pulsing
100Hz that's the problem

Plus I saw that output varies on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Telecommunications

"Average transmission power: 10 mW (250 mW peak) in Europe, 4 mW (100 mW
peak) in the US"

again another reason why there may be different effects (not sure if those
figures refer to base or handset or both)

Still, looks like USA DECT users get less of a hit!

 

I forget to mention that you are the provider of the excellent
http://microondes.wordpress.com/

Thanks for that site!

 

Do you have any research on particular problems 'longitudinal waves' and our
pulsed microwave sources, and how their biological effects may differ from
transverse waves?

 

Cheers

John

 

 

 

_____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
charles
Sent: 30 May 2010 14:12
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

 

 

Wrong and right interpretations.

I have stated that my wife did not react to a strong DECT signal, although
she *felt* it, but a few minutes later she experienced strong reactions by a
very weak DECT signal, which I also measured.

DECT signals consist also of frequency hopping, pulsrate of 100 Hz and
bandwith of 1880-1900 MHz.
However, it is the carried information which is the determining factor for
biological reactions.
(Listen to the difference in modulation between a DECT modulation and the
generated waveforms by me in my collection.)

And that comes into the controversial field of longitudinal waves.
They travel over a longer or greater distance than the normal transversal
waves.

When passing through a shielding, their properties can change also.

PS. cordless phones, that work fine overhere are the Orchid's, EcoMode Plus.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <[hidden email]
<mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> >
To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:30 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

I remember reading an old post from Charles mentioning that his wife had
serious es-problems with some DECT-phones and not with other DECT-phones...

So I suppose not all DECT-phones emit 100% exactly the same signal...
Although I'm sure we should all get rid of them ;-)

Stephen.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc
Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)
>
> Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
>
> http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
<http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
&ItemID=5617
>
> I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
> tolerable for people with ES?
>
> Marc
>

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Hi Kooky,



So glad to hear you are worried!



Here are some options for what to do about your BT hub:

a) drop it off an extremely high cliff or building

b) massage it with a sledge hammer

c) put it under a steam roller

d) put it on ebay; but then do you really want to send a death-ray
machine to a fellow human !



But, fear not! Your BT line will accept ANY router, you are not tied to BT
routers AT ALL! (Most people have trouble believing this!) I have BT and a
Netgear DG834 ADSL wired router, and all is hunky dory. (see previous email)



There's something particularly insidious about the BT Home Hub, it seems
particularly powerful. Possibly it's the combined new 5Ghz WiFi it
incorporates, but the DECT signal seems very strong. When next door put
theirs on, the home hub's DECT signal was dectectable all over our house,
whereas their normal DECT phone only registering by the party wall, as I
have explained earlier.



When I first tested my new, sexy looking BT Home Hub 2 some time ago, I
noticed Leela looked ill. She was some 6m away and I asked her if she was Ok
(she had no idea what I was doing and I had no idea I might be creating a
problem). She said she felt awful, wobbly, tingles and then 'like mobile
next to my ear'. Then I twigged and discretely turned off the hub. Instantly
she felt fine again, and had no idea what I was doing!



When the neighbour turned on their home hub recently, we quickly felt very
bad - actually, incapacitated! Thankfully we negotiated with them to turn it
off!



A 16 yr old friend couldn't sleep at night, turned out next door has a home
hub near her bedroom - she put up layers of aluminum foil between and sleeps
reasonably well again (and is VERY relieved and thankful!) I have many
examples like this from personal experience. I think this is going on all
over the country.





Turn it off!



Best

John

0208 133 2413 (my Skype number - normal London landline number, but I'm in
Cornwall)









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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
furstc0404
Sent: 01 June 2010 22:22
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones







Hi John

I am using BT Home Hub, and following your post, worried!!

How can I diffuse the Home Hub. I am moving soon and
thought of using O2. Or is there any other ISP you
could recommend? What about the smaller companies?

Thanks

Kooky

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Jamieson" <john@...> wrote: not [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Marc <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
&ItemID=5617>




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Hiya Kooky



DECT stands for Disgraceful Equipment for Covert Torture (or something like
that!)



Anyway, it's a very strong source of constant pulsed microwaves, whether you
use it or not.



The BT home hub has a DECT base in it transmitting 24/7 EVEN THOUGH YOU
DON'T HAVE A HANDSET and EVEN IF YOU DISABLE TELEPHONY - I promise you!



I have tried extensively to stop its DECT base transmitter doing this - even
to ripping it apart and snipping off its little internal DECT arial and
nothing will stop it.



Just write it off and dump it! In the meantime only turn it on it the
shortest of bursts to access emails etc and then turn it off again.



Suggest turning ALL microwave sources off, as described in earlier emails -
I'd be amazed if your symptoms didn't improve. (btw that includes microwave
ovens)



Let us know how you get on!



Good health

John

0208 133 2413

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
furstc0404
Sent: 01 June 2010 23:25
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones






John

What is a DECT?

I have a BT Home Hub, but I was not given
a phone with it.

So, how do I know if there is a DECT on the
Home Hub or not?

This is of concern to me. I have seizures
which started again three weeks ago, much
worse now ...

Is there anything I can do to disable it?

Am also getting some horrid shooting pains
in the torso. Kind of neuropathic, but not
quite, indescribable pains.

Am confused as to what is causing all this?

Could be ES and not the raw tumeric I ate,
difficult to say.

Kooky

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "John
Jamieson" <john@...> wrote: a
> Skypein number that people on mobiles and landlines can call at the same
> rate as normal landlines. It's a small monthly fee and includes free
> landline calls to your own country. This leaves us free to choose between
> headphones and speakers etc, the call quality is brilliant, and anyway,
lots
> of our friends are getting on Skype. It's the way to go! Every call is
> recorded (handy) and my entire contact list is available with a click, and
> it's always on even when I go away to someone else's house, I just log on
as
> me.
>
>
>
> Second - we CANNOT use our corded landline phones at all!!! It varies, but
> we get similar aches and pains to using a mobile phone, can you believe
it?
> Not quite so bad, but still bad! It happens on most/all corded landline
> phones we try. I think the long wires to the exchange pick up stray stuff
> and deliver them to your ear (or ADSL signals get through the filter?)
When
> I rarely use my home phone line I use an old FM Cordless (with the sticky
> out antenna!) I got to say it works a TREAT!!! Again, you can find them on
> ebay from time to time - I guess search FM CORDLESS PHONE, or car boot
> sales, or WANTED on freecycle etc.
>
>
>
> What I can tell you is DECT is a no-no for us! Actually a
> nooooooooooooooooo-nooooooooooooooooooo !!! And not just the handset when
on
> a call - but the continuous base station emissions. Output from DECT base
is
> "twice that from a mobile phone mast":
>
>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-376279/Cordless-home-phones-sparks
> -radiation-fear.html
>
> Our neighbour has a DECT phone (ours is a semi-detached house) and when
they
> turn it on it completely disables us - after several hours we can't
> function, think, walk straight and it's painful. As we both work from home
> it's impossible. We bought them an 'Orchid' phone (www.lowradiation.co.uk
> <http://www.lowradiation.co.uk/> ) so they can have their DECT but with
the
> Orchid that terrible DECT Base Station is not transmitting 24/7 - only
when
> on a call and only at the power needed to connect, not full power. That
> works fine for us and luckily they were ok to do it. Don't think Orchid is
> available in US, nor any equivalent, if it was me, I would find a way to
> adapt it! (only for a neighbour - we would never use one!)
>
>
>
> In the UK there is a further complication. Our largest ISP is BT and they
> supply a free BT Home Hub to every broadband customer. What they don't
tell
> them is that it has a DECT base station in it - whether you use it or not
(a
> DECT handset only comes free with their top rate "Total Broadband", so
very
> few actually use the DECT function - but it always on anyway). Now: if you
> disable Telephony in the hub's software, the DECT stays ON! Eeeek! And
it's
> a particularly powerful one. Why would they do that? It was a mystery to
me
> until I discovered that they are creating in effect another mobile phone
> network, so one user can take their DECT handset with them wherever they
go
> and piggy back off others' Home Hubs without them ever even realising it.
>
> And this is why they are so powerful - it's crafty and sneaky - BT are
> sneakily getting their own secondary mobile network by putting a phone
mast
> INSIDE everyone's home without them even realising it, or being able to
> disable it (short of chucking it in the bin and getting a proper router -
> preferably wired not WiFi).
>
> And the extra tragedy is that it means that most homes now have TWO DECT
> base stations - their landline one and the hidden BT Home Hub one - awful!
> I've met many ordinary people whose lives/health have been transformed
just
> by this essential knowledge!
>
>
>
> And now our next door neighbour just got BT and their Home Hub too - it
> totally floored us within hours - and they wanted to actually use the
hub's
> DECT handset too. The only way we could get them back onto using our
Orchid
> phones was to promise to move - which we ARE now doing - to a detached
house
> somewhere well away from pulsed microwaves! Can't wait - we still are
having
> to endure their Wifi - about 10-20% as bad as the DECT but still there.
>
>
>
> I should say that the level of DECT signals is quite low in our house: our
> MW1 Electrosmog Detector - modified with foil to make it sensitive right
> down to about 0.01V/metre can only just pick it up at the party wall - yet
> its effect pervades the whole house, so we have shown that it's not been
> manufactured with enough sensitivity. It can't pick up the WiFi anywhere
in
> our house - but it still affects us. I believe we are all getting more
> sensitive as we go along, and the metres are having to keep up!
>
>
>
> One last thing - people say don't use a mobile in a car, because it's like
a
> microwave oven - well the same applies to our house!!! It's brand new and
> fully lined with this aluminum foil backed insulation panels, even the
roof [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of




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Ah yes, Charles, those were the recordings I was thinking of:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html

– that’s a very good page (even if it does feel ‘horrible’ listening
to those recordings!)

 

Sorry for confusion on authorship.

 

I’m glad you’ve tested all the meters, because I’m confused and possibly you
can help?

My (modified) MW1 supposedly goes down to ~0.02 V/m but I want something
more sensitive so that I can measure the actual levels in those areas where
we know were are affected but the MW1 is not registering. It’s also nice to
hear the pulsing sound too. And discrimination of frequency might be nice
(such as if there’s 5Ghz around – MW1 doesn’t even go that high).

I was recommended to try The Acoustimeter,

http://www.emfields.org/equipment/acoustimeter.asp

but is only again specified down to 0.02 V/m.

Can you recommend a more sensitive one? Maybe down to 0.005 V/m or even
0.001 V/m

 

Many thanks

John

 

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
charles
Sent: 02 June 2010 12:14
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

 

 

Hello John,

no, I am not the provider of:
http://microondes.wordpress.com/

Btw. I do not agree with his high frequency meter comparison. Especially
when one does not read the manual correctly.
I do posess most of the elektrosmog meters available on the market, and have
tested them.
And have those published.

I have www.milieuziektes.nl and (www.hetbitje.nl)
where most of it is in english starting Pagina100.html
or click on the english flag.

Under Info (Pagina109.html) I have a large collection of recorded
elektrosmog modulations.

It is my opinion, that the longitudinal waves are the most harmful parts of
the elektrosmog.

I have also the impression, that they can travel farther, so over a greater
distance, than the normal transversal waves.

Otherwises I cannot explain a number of rare experiences, where the
assumption of longitudinal waves form the only acceptable explanation.

*het bitje* forms my e-zines, my free downloadable PDF publications about
elektrosmog and meters/detectors.
They are in dutch, german and english.

from Barrie Trower I got some information about his found (low)frequencies
and the correspponding effects.
But I have more questions for him.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jamieson" <[hidden email]
<mailto:john%40theomegashift.com> >
To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

Thanks for clarifications Charles

And it seems Siemens Eco Mode Plus phones are available in USA too:

http://www.emfrf.com/index.php/emf-rf/company/owners-blog/low-emf-cordless-p
hones-now-available.html

Yes, DECT appears not to be 2.4Ghz, but a bit lower, though it's the pulsing
100Hz that's the problem

Plus I saw that output varies on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Telecommunications

"Average transmission power: 10 mW (250 mW peak) in Europe, 4 mW (100 mW
peak) in the US"

again another reason why there may be different effects (not sure if those
figures refer to base or handset or both)

Still, looks like USA DECT users get less of a hit!

I forget to mention that you are the provider of the excellent
http://microondes.wordpress.com/

Thanks for that site!

Do you have any research on particular problems 'longitudinal waves' and our
pulsed microwave sources, and how their biological effects may differ from
transverse waves?

Cheers

John

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
charles
Sent: 30 May 2010 14:12
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

Wrong and right interpretations.

I have stated that my wife did not react to a strong DECT signal, although
she *felt* it, but a few minutes later she experienced strong reactions by a
very weak DECT signal, which I also measured.

DECT signals consist also of frequency hopping, pulsrate of 100 Hz and
bandwith of 1880-1900 MHz.
However, it is the carried information which is the determining factor for
biological reactions.
(Listen to the difference in modulation between a DECT modulation and the
generated waveforms by me in my collection.)

And that comes into the controversial field of longitudinal waves.
They travel over a longer or greater distance than the normal transversal
waves.

When passing through a shielding, their properties can change also.

PS. cordless phones, that work fine overhere are the Orchid's, EcoMode Plus.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <[hidden email]
<mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com>
<mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> >
To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:30 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

I remember reading an old post from Charles mentioning that his wife had
serious es-problems with some DECT-phones and not with other DECT-phones...

So I suppose not all DECT-phones emit 100% exactly the same signal...
Although I'm sure we should all get rid of them ;-)

Stephen.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc
Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)
>
> Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
>
> http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
<http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
<http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
&ItemID=5617>
&ItemID=5617
>
> I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
> tolerable for people with ES?
>
> Marc
>

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Hello John,

The Electrosmog Detector is not sensitive enough in my opinion, and gives electrosensitives a false idea of safety.

Especially for electrosensitives I have asked for the development of a verysensitive detector.

The first protoype was much mor sensitive than expected.
Now they are looking for a housing.
Half June, I will know more about it.
Range 10 MHz to 10 GHz.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jamieson" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones


Ah yes, Charles, those were the recordings I was thinking of:

http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html

- that's a very good page (even if it does feel 'horrible' listening
to those recordings!)

 

Sorry for confusion on authorship.

 

I'm glad you've tested all the meters, because I'm confused and possibly you
can help?

My (modified) MW1 supposedly goes down to ~0.02 V/m but I want something
more sensitive so that I can measure the actual levels in those areas where
we know were are affected but the MW1 is not registering. It's also nice to
hear the pulsing sound too. And discrimination of frequency might be nice
(such as if there's 5Ghz around - MW1 doesn't even go that high).

I was recommended to try The Acoustimeter,

http://www.emfields.org/equipment/acoustimeter.asp

but is only again specified down to 0.02 V/m.

Can you recommend a more sensitive one? Maybe down to 0.005 V/m or even
0.001 V/m

 

Many thanks

John

 

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
charles
Sent: 02 June 2010 12:14
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

 

 

Hello John,

no, I am not the provider of:
http://microondes.wordpress.com/

Btw. I do not agree with his high frequency meter comparison. Especially
when one does not read the manual correctly.
I do posess most of the elektrosmog meters available on the market, and have
tested them.
And have those published.

I have www.milieuziektes.nl and (www.hetbitje.nl)
where most of it is in english starting Pagina100.html
or click on the english flag.

Under Info (Pagina109.html) I have a large collection of recorded
elektrosmog modulations.

It is my opinion, that the longitudinal waves are the most harmful parts of
the elektrosmog.

I have also the impression, that they can travel farther, so over a greater
distance, than the normal transversal waves.

Otherwises I cannot explain a number of rare experiences, where the
assumption of longitudinal waves form the only acceptable explanation.

*het bitje* forms my e-zines, my free downloadable PDF publications about
elektrosmog and meters/detectors.
They are in dutch, german and english.

>From Barrie Trower I got some information about his found (low)frequencies
and the correspponding effects.
But I have more questions for him.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jamieson" <[hidden email]
<mailto:john%40theomegashift.com> >
To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

Thanks for clarifications Charles

And it seems Siemens Eco Mode Plus phones are available in USA too:

http://www.emfrf.com/index.php/emf-rf/company/owners-blog/low-emf-cordless-p
hones-now-available.html

Yes, DECT appears not to be 2.4Ghz, but a bit lower, though it's the pulsing
100Hz that's the problem

Plus I saw that output varies on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Enhanced_Cordless_Telecommunications

"Average transmission power: 10 mW (250 mW peak) in Europe, 4 mW (100 mW
peak) in the US"

again another reason why there may be different effects (not sure if those
figures refer to base or handset or both)

Still, looks like USA DECT users get less of a hit!

I forget to mention that you are the provider of the excellent
http://microondes.wordpress.com/

Thanks for that site!

Do you have any research on particular problems 'longitudinal waves' and our
pulsed microwave sources, and how their biological effects may differ from
transverse waves?

Cheers

John

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From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
charles
Sent: 30 May 2010 14:12
To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

Wrong and right interpretations.

I have stated that my wife did not react to a strong DECT signal, although
she *felt* it, but a few minutes later she experienced strong reactions by a
very weak DECT signal, which I also measured.

DECT signals consist also of frequency hopping, pulsrate of 100 Hz and
bandwith of 1880-1900 MHz.
However, it is the carried information which is the determining factor for
biological reactions.
(Listen to the difference in modulation between a DECT modulation and the
generated waveforms by me in my collection.)

And that comes into the controversial field of longitudinal waves.
They travel over a longer or greater distance than the normal transversal
waves.

When passing through a shielding, their properties can change also.

PS. cordless phones, that work fine overhere are the Orchid's, EcoMode Plus.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <[hidden email]
<mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com>
<mailto:stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> >
To: <[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2010 5:30 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones

I remember reading an old post from Charles mentioning that his wife had
serious es-problems with some DECT-phones and not with other DECT-phones...

So I suppose not all DECT-phones emit 100% exactly the same signal...
Although I'm sure we should all get rid of them ;-)

Stephen.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc
Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)
>
> Isn't this the phone you are looking for?
>
> http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
<http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon
<http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>
&ItemID=5617>
&ItemID=5617
>
> I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it
> tolerable for people with ES?
>
> Marc
>

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John,

Thank you for all this good information. I will start to search to see if
I can turn up an old cordless phone with antenna. Maybe I will be lucky.


I'm okay on a corded for just a little while.

I'm sad that my body doesn't want this new technology. My nervous system
is a mess today because of too much time on my DECT last night. I have many
friends, not in my area, and it's important to me to keep in touch, hear
their voices.

There is a homeopathic remedy that has been recommended called
Electricitas. I tried it once before and didn't notice much benefit. I'll try again.


Estelle


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\
Thanks John,
will Skype ya ..

Kooky

--- On Wed, 6/2/10, John Jamieson <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: John Jamieson <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 7:15 AM







 



 


   
     
     
Hi Kooky,



So glad to hear you are worried!  



Here are some options for what to do about your BT hub:



a) drop it off an extremely high cliff or building



b) massage it with a sledge hammer



c) put it under a steam roller



d) put it on ebay; but then do you really want to send a death-ray

machine to a fellow human !



But, fear not! Your BT line will accept ANY router, you are not tied to BT

routers AT ALL! (Most people have trouble believing this!) I have BT and a

Netgear DG834 ADSL wired router, and all is hunky dory. (see previous email)



There's something particularly insidious about the BT Home Hub, it seems

particularly powerful. Possibly it's the combined new 5Ghz WiFi it

incorporates, but the DECT signal seems very strong. When next door put

theirs on, the home hub's DECT signal was dectectable all over our house,

whereas their normal DECT phone only registering by the party wall, as I

have explained earlier.



When I first tested my new, sexy looking BT Home Hub 2 some time ago, I

noticed Leela looked ill. She was some 6m away and I asked her if she was Ok

(she had no idea what I was doing and I had no idea I might be creating a

problem). She said she felt awful, wobbly, tingles and then 'like mobile

next to my ear'. Then I twigged and discretely turned off the hub. Instantly

she felt fine again, and had no idea what I was doing!  



When the neighbour turned on their home hub recently, we quickly felt very

bad - actually, incapacitated! Thankfully we negotiated with them to turn it

off!



A 16 yr old friend couldn't sleep at night, turned out next door has a home

hub near her bedroom - she put up layers of aluminum foil between and sleeps

reasonably well again (and is VERY relieved and thankful!) I have many

examples like this from personal experience. I think this is going on all

over the country.



Turn it off!



Best



John



0208 133 2413 (my Skype number - normal London landline number, but I'm in

Cornwall)



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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of

furstc0404

Sent: 01 June 2010 22:22

To: [hidden email]

Subject: [eSens] Re: Cordless Phones



Hi John



I am using BT Home Hub, and following your post, worried!!



How can I diffuse the Home Hub. I am moving soon and

thought of using O2. Or is there any other ISP you

could recommend? What about the smaller companies?



Thanks



Kooky



--- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "John

Jamieson" <john@...> wrote:

>

> Maybe it's just not DECT, even though it's 2.4 Ghz."Gigarange Signal"

>

> Another lnk:

> http://www.jogjaponsel.com/panasonic-kx-tg2227s-cordless-telephone.html

>

>

>

> It has an sticky-out ariel, which I don't think DECT's do.

>

>

>

> The DECT 100Hz pulsing is particularly disruptive to our energy systems,

not

> the 2.4Ghz necessarily

>

>

>

> John

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf

Of Marc

> Martin

> Sent: 29 May 2010 15:56

> To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cordless Phones

>

>

>

>

>

> > Good luck; I am also combing Goodwill Stores looking for one, ;)

>

> Isn't this the phone you are looking for?

>

> http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon

> <http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon

<http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=amazon&ItemID=5617>

&ItemID=5617>

> &ItemID=5617

>

> I wonder what's so special about this cordless phone that makes it

> tolerable for people with ES?

>

> Marc

>

>

>

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