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> You talk about electroacupuncture.
> My question is do you let a needle penetrate down through the skin? > How Deep? > If so, how can this be called skin-resistance measurements? I've been to 3 health care practitioners who use electroacupuncture (also known as EAV testing, or electrodermal screening). It is quite common, and could easily be learned about with a simple Internet search. The needles do not penetrate the skin. In one hand, you hold a piece of copper, which is wired into a device. The device then connects to a metal "probe", which makes skin contact at various points on the skin which are defined by chinese medicine as "meridian points". The electrical resistance is measured to see how well the various organs are functioning. This is an inexpensive way to diagnose health problems. However, like all things, a skilled practitioner will be able to use it more effectively than an unskilled practitioner. Marc |
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Hi all,
I am living on the first floor in an apartment.After reading the info given at this list I have checked the placement of the main electricity panel of the apartment and I saw that it is attached to my wall outside. The main cable goes above my window and than enters the apartment.From that point it goes through alongside my living room by about 8 meters and than it is distributed to different floors. In this case what would you expect the magnetic field load to my flat would be? I don't understand much from electricity terminology. Could you please give me your opinion by comparing the MF load by the load of wireless and or cell phones?This way I will understand it better. Also I have the apartment heating system just below my living room.It is downstairs.Natural gas heating.Electricity panel of the heating system is also attached to my living room wall just besides main electricity panel.In fact,the brain of the heating system of the apartment next to ours is also attached to my wall because they had no space there.What would the effect be on my flat because of these? Which one is worse? I have about 10 meters distance from my living room to my bed room.In this case how much of the harmful EM radiation will reach to my bedroom? Thank you very much for your help.Learning a lot from you. Nil(I am "she":) ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hello Wille Borlin,
>How do you separate RADIO BEAMS from HF-RADIATION ? I am sorry that I was not clear enough. With HF-radiation I meant mobile phone radiation. I meant radio signals, television signals and mobile phone signals. Mobile phone signals are heavily pulsed, radio signals and television signals are not. With our meters, we intend to measure the pulsed mobile phone radiation. The broadband meters on the market, before those of Gigahertz Solutions GmbH, measured the whole spectrum (within the range of the meter), and very often the radio and TV signals interfered with those of the phones. >You also write; "(Therefore those new Gigaherz Analysers start at 800 MHz, in order to avoid those radio and TV signals to interfere)" With Gigahertz Analysers I mean the HF Analyser types of Gigahertz Solutions GmbH. That is the name of the company, and has nothing to do with 1.000 MHz. The HF Analysers do have a strong build-in input filter, that filters out everything below 800 MHz, so the radio and TV signals are not measured, and only the high frequency signals of the mobile phones are measured. GSM900, GPS, DAB, GSM1800, DECT, UMTS, Bluetooth, Radar, etc. If you look at http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/Pagina44.html you may find a dutch, a german or an english published e-zine, where aforementioned meters are described. >I seriously think that you should study measurement techniques in general and HF-dito in particular. That would stop you from writing statements like this If my writings annoy you, there is always the erase button. Feel free to use it at your convenience. In Outlook Express it is a red cross, right in the middle. If my writings are not adequate for this forum, the moderator will tell me likewise. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLE BÖRLIN" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 21:48 Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal ? Charles. You wrote this text; "So, when radio beams are around, HF-radiation travels with it, and the total sum is bigger, than the HF-radiation level alone." How do you separate RADIO BEAMS from HF-RADIATION ? It is not two different things. HF means high frequency and nothing else. You also write; "(Therefore those new Gigaherz Analysers start at 800 MHz, in order to avoid those radio and TV signals to interfere)" One Gigahertz is 1.000 Mhz so there would not be much idea in measuring gigahetz much below this, would it. I seriously think that you should study measurement techniques in general and HF-dito in particular. That would stop you from writing statements like this Wille Borlin Sweden charles wrote: >Hello Anders Eriksson, > >recently I am confronted with people who bought some cheaper meters, and are >wondering what they actually are measuring. >Discussions in other newsgroups (building biologists) point to the same >aspect, that having some meters does not garantuee that one is able to >measure accordingly. >That was my point in the former posting. > > > >>But it is necessary to approach the problem in a scientific way, not >>just try to sell as much expensive "New Age stuff" with doubtful >>effects. >> >> > >I completely agree with you there. >However, when the *scientific ways* are presently not there, one is obliged >to use other means temporarily. > >We have made *Orgon* blankets, large ones and smaller ones. >One measures 60 x 40 Centimeters. >When my wife is not felling very well somewhere, she puts this on the place >of the body, and it helps. >Don't ask me why, but it does. >*Orgon* blankets can be easily made, although it is time consuming. >One takes a 100 % wool blanket, with a layer of (abrasive) fine grade >steel-wool, a layer of 100 % wool again, and a layer of the fine grade >steel-wool and a layer of 100 % wool. The sewing together by hand takes >most of the time. >That's it. >No theory, but praxis. And experience. >It is not much expensive "New Age stuff", but really old-fashioned. >Reich wrote about it in the 1920s and 1930s. There was no "New Age stuff" >then! > >With the RFI system, the frequencies on 40 points of the body are measured >with a special frequency counter. These values are imported in a computer >programm, which translates thes values into 15 colors of the corresponding >auras. >Together with the print-out, an extensive explanation is printed. > > > >>What I actually was trying to say in one of my resent postings was that >>instruments made for use in e.g. measuring DC-currents can be influenced >>from EM-fields from a mobile and therefore the readout might be totally >>wrong if you don't take the interaction from HF-radiation in consider. >> >> > >That is absolutely correct. >We know very little about the ineteraction of HF-radiation. >We do know, that HF-radiation wants to ride with other radiation. >So, when radio beams are around, HF-radiation travels with it, and the >sum is bigger, than the HF-radiation level alone. >(Therefore those new Gigaherz Analysers start at 800 MHz, in order to avoid >those radio and TV signals to interfere) >We also know, that the negative effect of earth beams are enhanced when >HF-radiation comes to it. > >I also have the impression, that continuous HF-radiation makes metal things, >like bedframes, etc more magnetic. >I cannot prove it, but I have this strong impression. > >For my bioenergy meter, I have just ordered a new Large Plate, where people >can stand on for measuring. >With the normal sondes, it was a bit problematic for measuring people. >I hope that I can measure then more precise. > >Greetings, >Charles Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >http://www.hese-project.org >checked by Norton Antivirus > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> >To: <[hidden email]> >Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 17:56 >Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal ? > > > > >>charles wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hello, >>> >>>running around with a meter is not the same as using measuring >>> >>> >technique. > > >>>With measuring technique it is important to know how to hold the >>> >>> >measuring > > >>>meter. >>>Is an earth line required? >>>Should the meter be hold tight against the body, or at arms length? >>>Are the surroundings in calculated? >>> >>>With a mV meter, how sensitive it may be, one cannot measure high >>> >>> >frequency > > >>>electromagnetic fields. >>> >>> >>Sorry Charles, I can't remember anything about measuring high frequency >>with that mV-meter! As I recall it, i talked about measuring potential >>differences between tooth's (in this case, not mentioned earlier, DC). I >>said absolutely nothing about HF! >> >> >> >>>For hf EMF special meters are required. >>>An electroacupuncture equipment is not an e-meter (in this sense). >>> >>> >>OOPS! Dietrich Grün used the expression e-meter, and I continued to use >>the same expression to avoid confusion! It obviously didn't work out! >> >> >>>And with all the meters we have nowadays, one can only measure the >>>transversal waves, NOT the longitudinal waves, or Tesla waves, or >>> >>> >whatever > > >>>name we give them. >>>We can only measure their influence on the human body, by other >>> >>> >measuring > > >>>equipment. >>>For instance with electro acupuncture. >>>Even electro acupuncture is not commonly accepted as a scientific means. >>> >>>There are more people who have studied and made some theories, which are >>> >>> >not > > >>>yet accepted by the *unbelieveable* community, because it does not fit >>> >>> >into > > >>>the present theories. >>>There was a time that the earth was completely flat! >>>Among those people was a certain Wilhelm Reich, who put his theories for >>>discussion. >>>*Orgon* is something many do not believe in. But we made *Orgon* >>> >>> >blankets, > > >>>who function very well. >>> >>> >>I guess it woks for believers! >> >> >> >>>We have made *Orgon* accumulators that function also very well. >>>I now have a life energy meter, with which I can measure the bioenergy >>> >>> >of > > >>>people, plants and things. >>>I have a read-out on a display. >>>I measure the difference in water samples. Before and after I place this >>>sample on a Purple Plate, I find a raise in bioenergy afterwards. >>>There is no *peer-review* on the working of a Purple Plate, but I can >>>measure it. >>> >>>With my RFI measuring system, I can measure the working of an australian >>>T-shirt. It positively improves the aura of the bearer. I can measure >>> >>> >the > > >>>auras on 40 points of the body, although many people do not believe that >>>they exist. >>> >>> >>Yes, I do believe that there are some energy fields (aura) around living >>things. I am curios about your RFI measuring system. Please tell me (us) >>more about it! >> >> >>>I just wanted to show, that there are many things around us, that are >>> >>> >not > > >>>scientifically proved, but that nevertheless exist. >>> >>> >>Do they (;-) exist? >> >> >>>Officially, electrosensible people cannot exist, but nevertheless they >>>suffer enormously. >>> >>> >>I am quite aware about that. Tell me about it, I have been through a lot. >>But it is necessary to approach the problem in a scientific way, not >>just try to sell as much expensive "New Age stuff" with doubtful >>effects. If you are seriously harmed by EM-fields then cognitive >>therapies and beliefs is of no use. >> >> >> >>>One cannot hear, or feel, or taste, or see the electrosmog surrounding >>> >>> >us, > > >>>but our body reacts to it. >>>By some more than others. >>> >>>My point is, that everybody should ask him/herself: *What am I measuring >>> >>> >at > > >>>the moment?* >>>There can be influences at work, we do not know about, but can have an >>>impact on the measuring results. >>> >>> >>Very true! I have a friend (believe it or not, but I have got friends) >>who gets a serious migraine for three days starting the day after when >>she got exposure from fields she cant handle. >> >> >> >>>A doctor once said: *Electrosmog? When I hold a Voltmeter in the air, I >>>measure nothing! So electrosmog does not exist.* >>> >>> >>I get sad to hear this but I am sure it's true. >> >> >> >>>With a normal Voltmeter, one cannot measure the temperature of a patient >>>also. One needs therefore a thermometer, which is quite different from a >>>Voltmeter. >>>Most electriciens do have a Voltmeter, with which they measure AC, DC, >>> >>> >Amps > > >>>and Ohms, which have all to do with electric fields. But when you ask >>> >>> >them > > >>>about magnetic fields, they are flabbergasted. >>> >>> >>--- >> >>What I actually was trying to say in one of my resent postings was that >>instruments made for use in e.g. measuring DC-currents can be influenced >>from EM-fields from a mobile and therefore the readout might be totally >>wrong if you don't take the interaction from HF-radiation in consider. >> >>Anders Eriksson >> >> >>>Greetings, >>>Charles Claessens >>>member Verband Baubiologie >>>http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >>>http://www.hese-project.org >>>checked by Norton Antivirus >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> >>>To: <[hidden email]> >>>Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:14 >>>Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>[hidden email] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hallo, Wille, >>>>>your questions ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>These cells comminicate with each other through photons, that is light >>>>>impulses - the german Prof. Alfred Popp >spent decades of research on >>>>>this und wrote quite a few books ... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Has Prof. Popp published any peer reviewed articles, or is he one of the >>>>"New Age" scientist that publish plenty of books? >>>> >>>>I just try to establish creditability for ES-people in our community, >>>>that's why i strike hard against "none science". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>While these waves that I call longitudinal weaves pass the shielding >>>>> >>>>> >>>>of >an faradayan cage, they are upheld by a layer of about 2 cm of >>>> >>>> >water. > > >>>>I know for sure that a few meter of saltwater (about 1% NaCl) stops >>>>(almost) all radio waves. It might be so that 900MHz and 1800MHz signals >>>>are heavily attenuated by just 2cm of water? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>How do I know, what I am measuring? Simply this way. First I measure >>>>> >>>>> >the > > >>>>>present state of the acupuncture system; then I put the mobile on and >>>>> >>>>> >>>measure >>> >>> >>> >>>>>again and see the difference. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>It is quite possible that your e-meter react at the fields from the >>>>mobile when the field is strong enough! >>>> >>>>--- >>>> >>>>Though I have doubts (see above!), I can tell you that my dentist got >>>>himself a sensitive mV-meter to be able to measure potential differences >>>>between tooth's. He figured out that there were differences between >>>>ES-people and none-ES-people, especially when adding extra fields in the >>>>environment. It is possible that same error occurs here as above. >>>> >>>>In the future (starting out within 6 months) I will try to repeat both >>>>Dietrich's findings and the ones from my dentist! >>>> >>>>It might be a way to achieve objective documentation that EM-fields d o >>>> affect human beings. >>>> >>>>Anders Eriksson >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Thanks so much for the explanation. I am very sick so I am afraid I may notbe able doing such a change but Thanks for the info.I will keep it in mindand use it if I need to, in future. Best regards. Nil ----- Original Message ----- From: charles To: [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] windows Hello Wille Borlin, I am sorry that my english is not clear to you. I did not recommend anything. I just gave an explanation what is going on with sun shielding window panes. The windows are commonly the weakest part of the house. Why do you think that shielding them is a waste of money? In order to see through the windows, those films are the only solution of shielding them. Or do you know something we don't know? Please enlighten us. Now for the sake of argument. HF radiation passes through wood as it does through brick, although brick holds back a little more. It also depends on the level of radiation. And depending the amount of radiation, one may make a choice among several materials. There are woven fabrics, mesh fabrics, wall papers, textures, and there are paints. So there is really a choice to pick from. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLE BÖRLIN" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 21:34 Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal waves > Charles. > > Apart from the waste of money you recommend when treating the windows. > How shall Nil shield the walls? > For the sake of argument lets say that he; > 1./ lives in a wood house. > 2./ lives in a brick house. > > Wille Borlin > SWEDEN > > > > charles wrote: > > >Hello Nil, > > > >window panes which have a sun-shielding are very well known to shield > >frequency fields, like those of mobile phones. > >This sun shielding abtained because very small metal particles are > >manufactured on the surface of the pane. > > > >The same effect you can obtain with normal window panes, when you put these > >transparent hf shielding films on the glass. > >These films consist of two layers. The upper must be taken off, the window > >pane should be wetted with clear water, and the now open side of the film > >placed against the glass. The water must be pushed away, and the oversized > >sides of the film be cut with a sharp knife. > >Although these films are transparent, they tend to make it a little darker [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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This is off topic,I am sorry but I could not find this info anywhere so I thought I should ask you. How many percentage of UV radiation passes through single layer glass window?Do you have any idea? best regards. Nil [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I am living on the first floor in an apartment.After reading the info
> given at this list I have checked the placement of the main electricity > panel of the apartment and I saw that it is attached to my wall outside. Do you live in a large apartment complex? A few years ago, my wife opened up her own yoga studio. It was in a "mixed-use" building, with businesses on the first floor and lots of apartments in the stories above. I had a terrible problem with this yoga studio, even though there were no computers or fluorescent lights anywhere inside the studio. Eventually, I noticed that the power room for entire building was on the other side of the wall from the yoga studio. And for all I know, perhaps the incoming power lines run underneath the studio floor (the power is all underground in that area, so I have no idea). But I was *really* sensitive to that. At the time, I had been experimenting with tachyon discs placed over the fuse box, and the Quantum power strip. So installed both at the yoga studio. I don't think the tachyon discs did much, the power strip, placed in the right location, solved my problems instantaneously. After I did these two things, my wife has told me that she has received numerous comments from yoga students about the "Good Energy" (or "Good Vibrations") that they feel when they are in the studio. From my perspective, it is now a safe place to be, when originally it was not. Marc |
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Hello Wille Borlin,
>You write; >"This is the >reason, why pulsed waves like in mobile phones have a much stronger effect on >biological organisms than the same frequency without pulsing." >Well, who said that? A great number of studies have shown, that pulsed signals are much more dangerous than unpulsed. That is the reason, that in the Building Biology Guidelines for Sleeping Areas (the SBM2003) they make a difference. For electromagnetic waves we allow in uW/m2 where we have 4 categories; no anomaly, weak anomaly, strong anomaly and extreme anomaly. pulsed <0.1 0.1-5 5-100 >100 unpulsed <1 1-50 50-1,000 >1,000 Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLE BÖRLIN" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 22:15 Subject: [eSens] Electroacupuncture. Dietrich. You talk about the old photon-teory, i say teory because it is not exactly undisputed. The fact that living cells can produce light in the ultra-violet area is not disputed, and can easily be repeated, but to make it part of a communicating system within living bodys has yet to be proven. The debate started about 80 years ago as you may know and has still not produced any Nobel-prices. You write; "This is the reason, why pulsed waves like in mobile phones have a much stronger effect on biological organisms than the same frequency without pulsing." Well, who said that? If our perception of radio-waves worked the way you sketch i think all of us would be quite shaky by now. GSM telephones has been around for almost 10 years. We has, for example, since WW2 enjoyed the blessings of Radar which is a higly pulsed and RF-"product". What i try to say is that there can not be such universal explanations when it comes to those that experience electrosensitivity. --------- You talk about electroacupuncture. My question is do you let a needle penetrate down through the skin? How Deep? If so, how can this be called skin-resistance measurements? How do you define the acupuncture points in a glass of water? According to the text you use an E-meter? The famous instrument of Mr.Scientology? These kind of instruments induces a DC - current in order to be able to measure resistance expressed in Ohms. Is that not shaking up or biasing your results quite heavily? I think that if you really believe in such measurements you should try to find another kind of measuring system and define the Conductance instead as expressed in S/m. Wille Borlin SWEDEN [hidden email] wrote: >Hallo, Wille, >your questions are very interesting. Comparing the human body with a barrel >of salt water is denying the fact, that there are billions fo living cells, >that actively react to outer influences to maintain their existence and survive >even under quite hostile conditions. These cells comminicate with each other >through photons, that is light impulses - the german Prof. Alfred Popp spent >decades of research on this und wrote quite a few books. These light impulses >carry information. Light is an electromagnetic wave. So cells are principally >sensitive to elektromagnetic waves. So any outer elektromagnetic wave may carry >information that interferes with the information between the cells. This is the >reason, why pulsed waves like in mobile phones have a much stronger effect on >biological organisms than the same frequency without pulsing. >So what I am measuring in electroacupuncture is the change of the electrical >skin resistance and specially its dynamic due to the reaction of the living >body caused by outer electromagnetic waves. The longitudinal waves or whatever >causes this reaction is not directly measured. And after all the reaction is >not caused by the longitudinal wave istelf, it is caused by the information >carried by this wave. This information can be neutral, negative or positive for >the living organism.The trick is, to change this information or at least >neutralize it and make its negative effect disappear. Since the waves are still >there, your e-meter will show no change in its readings! > >While these waves that I call longitudinal weaves pass the shielding of an >faradayan cage, they are upheld by a layer of about 2 cm of water. > >How do I know, what I am measuring? Simply this way. First I measure the >present state of the acupuncture system; then I put the mobile on and measure >again and see the difference. > >Another discovery was, that a mobile held to a glass of normal tap water >while active, changes the quality of this water, and this quality again can be >tested by electroacupunkture. >A much stronger change occurs, when the water while exposed to the mobile is >put in an faradayan cage and with the mobile outside the cage. Actually the >effect on the water should disappear according to classic physics. But it is >drastically changed. Since my system of electroacupuncture allows to say how >strong this charging of the water relatively is, I could make a lot of astonishing >discoveries. > >I am aware, that out of the above mentioned a lot of new questions may arise. >I wanted to make it simple by just giving a summary of my findings. What I >said is not just theory, it is the result of patient experimentation and it is >proved to be valid, because I put the knowledge into a product to neutralize >electrosmog, which is successfully on the market since 2 years. > >This might be enough for the moment. >Greetings, Dietrich Grün > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links |
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> If my writings are not adequate for this forum, the moderator will
> tell me likewise. Well, as the moderator, I think your messages are quite informative, and are quite welcome on this list. We have an interesting mix of people on this list. People who have all encountered a problem for which there is little information about. And in some cases, people who have already reached their own conclusions about what works, and perhaps are not open-minded enough to accept that there may be alternative solutions to the same problem. My suggestion is that list members try to be open-minded. If you don't know anything about a particular subject, it is better to ask politely (or do your own research) than to merely criticize the people who are trying to be helpful. Marc |
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> This is off topic,I am sorry but I could not find this info anywhere so
> I thought I should ask you. How many percentage of UV radiation passes > through single layer glass window?Do you have any idea? I don't know the answer to this, but I thought I'd mention that there are people who don't consider exposure to UV radiation to be unhealthy, as long as it's in moderation. I think one of the best things you can do for your health is to get 10-20 minutes/day of sunshine, as it's a good source of Vitamin D (and probably a lot of other things). So I wouldn't try to isolate yourself from UV radiation *too much*. Marc |
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No,no.the problem is the reverse.I am severely exhausted and can not go out often to get decent sun light.At the same time have osteoporosis. I have a balkony which has single layer glass windows and I was trying to estimate the time amount I have to sit there.If I know the percentage of the UV light is transmitted through single layer glass window than I can estimate the least time I need to sit there.
Thanks very much. Nil ---- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] off topic/UV light transmission of glasses > This is off topic,I am sorry but I could not find this info anywhere so > I thought I should ask you. How many percentage of UV radiation passes > through single layer glass window?Do you have any idea? I don't know the answer to this, but I thought I'd mention that there are people who don't consider exposure to UV radiation to be unhealthy, as long as it's in moderation. I think one of the best things you can do for your health is to get 10-20 minutes/day of sunshine, as it's a good source of Vitamin D (and probably a lot of other things). So I wouldn't try to isolate yourself from UV radiation *too much*. Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Apartments are side by side at my place. I live in an apartment which has 6 floors having two flats at each floor.
Where are those quantum power strips sold? Thanks very much. Nil ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Main electricity panel of the apartment attached to my wall. > I am living on the first floor in an apartment.After reading the info > given at this list I have checked the placement of the main electricity > panel of the apartment and I saw that it is attached to my wall outside. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> Where are those quantum power strips sold? Thanks very much.
There are sold at quantumproducts.com, however I believe they only make a version which works on American power outlets (110 volts/60 hz). So it's not going to work in Europe and a lot of other places. However, it's quite possible that the "active ingredient" of this power strip is it's RFI/EMI filter, which should be available worldwide, although I don't know where. I know that where I live, I can go to my local "True Value" hardware store and purchase a surge protection power strip containing an RFI/EMI filter. The brand name is "Power Sentry", which is also called "Fiskars" in some parts of the world. It says "RFI/EMI filtration" right on the box. Marc |
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Hallo, Marc
the web page is www.bioprotect.de It is in german. An english version so far is available of the flyer, that goes with the product and explains in short the theory, how to use is and how to order it. It is not yet included in the homepage. But if you send a message through [hidden email], I will send you a copy. Dietrich Gruen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thanks very much Mark.
Nil ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Re: off topic/UV light transmission of glasses
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Dear Nil,
It is a simple matter to measure the UV exposure, either through the glass, or outdoors directly. There is an inexpensive ($50) meter called UV Smart which measures both UVA and UVB and gives a digital readout of UV intensity in W/m²: http://www.lessemf.com/ionizing.html#455 Also, there is a simple UV Meter Card for about $4, which gives a relative reading of UV intensity via color change: http://www.lessemf.com/ionizing.html#198 The UV intensity varies during the day/year, depending on the angle of the sun, and weather conditions. Emil At 01:18 AM 2/27/2004, you wrote: >No,no.the problem is the reverse.I am severely exhausted and can not go >out often to get decent sun light.At the same time have osteoporosis. I >have a balkony which has single layer glass windows and I was trying to >estimate the time amount I have to sit there.If I know the percentage of >the UV light is transmitted through single layer glass window than I can >estimate the least time I need to sit there. >Thanks very much. >Nil >---- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Martin > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 1:05 AM > Subject: Re: [eSens] off topic/UV light transmission of glasses > > > > This is off topic,I am sorry but I could not find this info anywhere so > > I thought I should ask you. How many percentage of UV radiation passes > > through single layer glass window?Do you have any idea? > > I don't know the answer to this, but I thought I'd mention that there are > people who don't consider exposure to UV radiation to be unhealthy, as > long as it's in moderation. I think one of the best things you can do > for your health is to get 10-20 minutes/day of sunshine, as it's a good > source of Vitamin D (and probably a lot of other things). So I wouldn't > try to isolate yourself from UV radiation *too much*. > > Marc > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [hidden email] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
Re: Main electricity panel of the apartment attached
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Dear Nil,
You might want to consider using a gaussmeter to check the levels of magnetic field. You can find a nice selection of gaussmeters at http://www.lessemf.com/gauss.html. It is possible that the fields may be strong in some areas and no strong in other areas. You can sometimes set up "off limit" areas of your apartment to avoid spending prolonged periods. Emil At 12:22 AM 2/27/2004, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I am living on the first floor in an apartment.After reading the info >given at this list I have checked the placement of the main electricity >panel of the apartment and I saw that it is attached to my wall outside. >The main cable goes above my window and than enters the apartment.From >that point it goes through alongside my living room by about 8 meters and >than it is distributed to different floors. In this case what would you >expect the magnetic field load to my flat would be? I don't understand >much from electricity terminology. Could you please give me your opinion >by comparing the MF load by the load of wireless and or cell phones?This >way I will understand it better. > >Also I have the apartment heating system just below my living room.It is >downstairs.Natural gas heating.Electricity panel of the heating system is >also attached to my living room wall just besides main electricity >panel.In fact,the brain of the heating system of the apartment next to >ours is also attached to my wall because they had no space there.What >would the effect be on my flat because of these? Which one is worse? > >I have about 10 meters distance from my living room to my bed room.In this >case how much of the harmful EM radiation will reach to my bedroom? > >Thank you very much for your help.Learning a lot from you. > >Nil(I am "she":) ) > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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Hello Emil,
could you send me this simple UV Meter Card? Charles Claessens Homerusplein 214 3076 LZ Rotterdam Netherlands Btw. did you read my *het bitje* october/februari 2004, concerning the Gigahertz meters, which I mad now in an english version. Did you see, that I mentioned Lessemf as a distributor? Gigahertz Solutions did not know that you posted their meters on your website, till I told them. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Less EMF Inc." <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 15:59 Subject: Re: [eSens] off topic/UV light transmission of glasses Dear Nil, It is a simple matter to measure the UV exposure, either through the glass, or outdoors directly. There is an inexpensive ($50) meter called UV Smart which measures both UVA and UVB and gives a digital readout of UV intensity in W/m²: http://www.lessemf.com/ionizing.html#455 Also, there is a simple UV Meter Card for about $4, which gives a relative reading of UV intensity via color change: http://www.lessemf.com/ionizing.html#198 The UV intensity varies during the day/year, depending on the angle of the sun, and weather conditions. Emil |
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I am not aware about the
Building Biology Guidelines. Where can i find them and who is the authors. Wille Borlin SWEDEN charles wrote: >Hello Wille Borlin, > > > >>You write; >>"This is the >>reason, why pulsed waves like in mobile phones have a much stronger effect >> >> >on > > >>biological organisms than the same frequency without pulsing." >>Well, who said that? >> >> > >A great number of studies have shown, that pulsed signals are much more >dangerous than unpulsed. > >That is the reason, that in the >Building Biology Guidelines for Sleeping Areas (the SBM2003) they make a >difference. >For electromagnetic waves we allow in uW/m2 >where we have 4 categories; > no anomaly, weak anomaly, strong anomaly and extreme >anomaly. > >pulsed <0.1 0.1-5 5-100 > > >>100 >> >> >unpulsed <1 1-50 50-1,000 > > >>1,000 >> >> > >Greetings, >Charles Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >http://www.hese-project.org >checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "WILLE BÖRLIN" <[hidden email]> >To: <[hidden email]> >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 22:15 >Subject: [eSens] Electroacupuncture. > > >Dietrich. > >You talk about the old photon-teory, i say teory because it is not >exactly undisputed. >The fact that living cells can produce light in the ultra-violet area is >not disputed, and can easily be repeated, but to make it part of a >communicating system within living bodys has yet to be proven. The >debate started about 80 years ago as you may know and has still not >produced any Nobel-prices. > >You write; > >"This is the >reason, why pulsed waves like in mobile phones have a much stronger effect >on >biological organisms than the same frequency without pulsing." > >Well, who said that? > >If our perception of radio-waves worked the way you sketch i think all >of us would be quite shaky by now. >GSM telephones has been around for almost 10 years. >We has, for example, since WW2 enjoyed the blessings of Radar which is a >higly pulsed and RF-"product". > >What i try to say is that there can not be such universal explanations >when it comes to those that experience electrosensitivity. >--------- >You talk about electroacupuncture. >My question is do you let a needle penetrate down through the skin? >How Deep? >If so, how can this be called skin-resistance measurements? >How do you define the acupuncture points in a glass of water? > >According to the text you use an E-meter? >The famous instrument of Mr.Scientology? > >These kind of instruments induces a DC - current in order to be able to >measure resistance expressed in Ohms. >Is that not shaking up or biasing your results quite heavily? > >I think that if you really believe in such measurements you should try >to find another kind of measuring system and define the Conductance >instead as expressed in S/m. > >Wille Borlin >SWEDEN > > > > > > > > > > >[hidden email] wrote: > > > >>Hallo, Wille, >>your questions are very interesting. Comparing the human body with a barrel >>of salt water is denying the fact, that there are billions fo living cells, >>that actively react to outer influences to maintain their existence and >> >> >survive > > >>even under quite hostile conditions. These cells comminicate with each >> >> >other > > >>through photons, that is light impulses - the german Prof. Alfred Popp >> >> >spent > > >>decades of research on this und wrote quite a few books. These light >> >> >impulses > > >>carry information. Light is an electromagnetic wave. So cells are >> >> >principally > > >>sensitive to elektromagnetic waves. So any outer elektromagnetic wave may >> >> >carry > > >>information that interferes with the information between the cells. This is >> >> >the > > >>reason, why pulsed waves like in mobile phones have a much stronger effect >> >> >on > > >>biological organisms than the same frequency without pulsing. >>So what I am measuring in electroacupuncture is the change of the >> >> >electrical > > >>skin resistance and specially its dynamic due to the reaction of the living >>body caused by outer electromagnetic waves. The longitudinal waves or >> >> >whatever > > >>causes this reaction is not directly measured. And after all the reaction >> >> >is > > >>not caused by the longitudinal wave istelf, it is caused by the information >>carried by this wave. This information can be neutral, negative or positive >> >> >for > > >>the living organism.The trick is, to change this information or at least >>neutralize it and make its negative effect disappear. Since the waves are >> >> >still > > >>there, your e-meter will show no change in its readings! >> >>While these waves that I call longitudinal weaves pass the shielding of an >>faradayan cage, they are upheld by a layer of about 2 cm of water. >> >>How do I know, what I am measuring? Simply this way. First I measure the >>present state of the acupuncture system; then I put the mobile on and >> >> >measure > > >>again and see the difference. >> >>Another discovery was, that a mobile held to a glass of normal tap water >>while active, changes the quality of this water, and this quality again can >> >> >be > > >>tested by electroacupunkture. >>A much stronger change occurs, when the water while exposed to the mobile >> >> >is > > >>put in an faradayan cage and with the mobile outside the cage. Actually the >>effect on the water should disappear according to classic physics. But it >> >> >is > > >>drastically changed. Since my system of electroacupuncture allows to say >> >> >how > > >>strong this charging of the water relatively is, I could make a lot of >> >> >astonishing > > >>discoveries. >> >>I am aware, that out of the above mentioned a lot of new questions may >> >> >arise. > > >>I wanted to make it simple by just giving a summary of my findings. What I >>said is not just theory, it is the result of patient experimentation and it >> >> >is > > >>proved to be valid, because I put the knowledge into a product to >> >> >neutralize > > >>electrosmog, which is successfully on the market since 2 years. >> >>This might be enough for the moment. >>Greetings, Dietrich Grün >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hello Wille Borlin,
you may download the *baubiologische Richtwerte SBM 2003* from www.maes.de But they are in german. At the moment I am trying to make an englisch version. Those values are *precautionay* values; if you could keep those values, you won't get sick. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ http://www.hese-project.org checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "WILLE BÖRLIN" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 00:43 Subject: Re: [eSens] Electroacupuncture. I am not aware about the Building Biology Guidelines. Where can i find them and who is the authors. Wille Borlin SWEDEN charles wrote: >Hello Wille Borlin, > > > >>You write; >>"This is the >>reason, why pulsed waves like in mobile phones have a much stronger effect >> >> >on > > >>biological organisms than the same frequency without pulsing." >>Well, who said that? >> >> > >A great number of studies have shown, that pulsed signals are much more >dangerous than unpulsed. > >That is the reason, that in the >Building Biology Guidelines for Sleeping Areas (the SBM2003) they make a >difference. >For electromagnetic waves we allow in uW/m2 >where we have 4 categories; > no anomaly, weak anomaly, strong anomaly and extreme >anomaly. > >pulsed <0.1 0.1-5 5-100 > > >>100 >> >> >unpulsed <1 1-50 50-1,000 > > >>1,000 >> >> > >Greetings, >Charles Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/ >http://www.hese-project.org >checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "WILLE BÖRLIN" <[hidden email]> >To: <[hidden email]> >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 22:15 >Subject: [eSens] Electroacupuncture. > > >Dietrich. > >You talk about the old photon-teory, i say teory because it is not >exactly undisputed. >The fact that living cells can produce light in the ultra-violet area is >not disputed, and can easily be repeated, but to make it part of a >communicating system within living bodys has yet to be proven. The >debate started about 80 years ago as you may know and has still not >produced any Nobel-prices. > >You write; > >"This is the >reason, why pulsed waves like in mobile phones have a much stronger effect >on >biological organisms than the same frequency without pulsing." > >Well, who said that? > >If our perception of radio-waves worked the way you sketch i think all >of us would be quite shaky by now. >GSM telephones has been around for almost 10 years. >We has, for example, since WW2 enjoyed the blessings of Radar which is a >higly pulsed and RF-"product". > >What i try to say is that there can not be such universal explanations >when it comes to those that experience electrosensitivity. >--------- >You talk about electroacupuncture. >My question is do you let a needle penetrate down through the skin? >How Deep? >If so, how can this be called skin-resistance measurements? >How do you define the acupuncture points in a glass of water? > >According to the text you use an E-meter? >The famous instrument of Mr.Scientology? > >These kind of instruments induces a DC - current in order to be able to >measure resistance expressed in Ohms. >Is that not shaking up or biasing your results quite heavily? > >I think that if you really believe in such measurements you should try >to find another kind of measuring system and define the Conductance >instead as expressed in S/m. > >Wille Borlin >SWEDEN > > > > > > > > > > >[hidden email] wrote: > > > >>Hallo, Wille, >>your questions are very interesting. Comparing the human body with a >>of salt water is denying the fact, that there are billions fo living cells, >>that actively react to outer influences to maintain their existence and >> >> >survive > > >>even under quite hostile conditions. These cells comminicate with each >> >> >other > > >>through photons, that is light impulses - the german Prof. Alfred Popp >> >> >spent > > >>decades of research on this und wrote quite a few books. These light >> >> >impulses > > >>carry information. Light is an electromagnetic wave. So cells are >> >> >principally > > >>sensitive to elektromagnetic waves. So any outer elektromagnetic wave may >> >> >carry > > >>information that interferes with the information between the cells. This >> >> >the > > >>reason, why pulsed waves like in mobile phones have a much stronger effect >> >> >on > > >>biological organisms than the same frequency without pulsing. >>So what I am measuring in electroacupuncture is the change of the >> >> >electrical > > >>skin resistance and specially its dynamic due to the reaction of the >>body caused by outer electromagnetic waves. The longitudinal waves or >> >> >whatever > > >>causes this reaction is not directly measured. And after all the reaction >> >> >is > > >>not caused by the longitudinal wave istelf, it is caused by the >>carried by this wave. This information can be neutral, negative or positive >> >> >for > > >>the living organism.The trick is, to change this information or at least >>neutralize it and make its negative effect disappear. Since the waves are >> >> >still > > >>there, your e-meter will show no change in its readings! >> >>While these waves that I call longitudinal weaves pass the shielding of an >>faradayan cage, they are upheld by a layer of about 2 cm of water. >> >>How do I know, what I am measuring? Simply this way. First I measure the >>present state of the acupuncture system; then I put the mobile on and >> >> >measure > > >>again and see the difference. >> >>Another discovery was, that a mobile held to a glass of normal tap water >>while active, changes the quality of this water, and this quality again >> >> >be > > >>tested by electroacupunkture. >>A much stronger change occurs, when the water while exposed to the mobile >> >> >is > > >>put in an faradayan cage and with the mobile outside the cage. Actually >>effect on the water should disappear according to classic physics. But it >> >> >is > > >>drastically changed. Since my system of electroacupuncture allows to say >> >> >how > > >>strong this charging of the water relatively is, I could make a lot of >> >> >astonishing > > >>discoveries. >> >>I am aware, that out of the above mentioned a lot of new questions may >> >> >arise. > > >>I wanted to make it simple by just giving a summary of my findings. What I >>said is not just theory, it is the result of patient experimentation and >> >> >is > > >>proved to be valid, because I put the knowledge into a product to >> >> >neutralize > > >>electrosmog, which is successfully on the market since 2 years. >> >>This might be enough for the moment. >>Greetings, Dietrich Grün >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Thank you very much Emil for both UV meter and gaussmeter info.Very helpful.
I will check the sites. Nil ----- Original Message ----- From: Less EMF Inc. To: [hidden email] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Main electricity panel of the apartment attached to my wall. Dear Nil, You might want to consider using a gaussmeter to check the levels of magnetic field. You can find a nice selection of gaussmeters at [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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