Capacitor RFI/EMI line filters?

>> The problem was in figuring out a building-wide application.
>> We finally moved.
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> When I had a problem with my workplace, I solved it with
> stuff from Quantum Products (http://www.quantumproducts.com).
> For example, the Quantum Pro is supposed to clean up everything
> for about a 50 foot radius. This stuff was really helpful
> for my recovery, although I'm only just using their powerstrip
> anymore.
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> Hi all,
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> There is a discussion going on at the Bioharmonics website, which has
> essentially turned into a disagreement between myself and the person in
> charge of the company. Basically, it seems to be her opinion that most
> of the EMF devices available today are harmful to people's health --
> except hers, of course. My opinion is that I agree that her devices (the
> Springlife Polarizers) are good, but that shouldn't rule out that they
> may be even better used in combination with other devices. For example,
> I have found that while the Springlife Polarizers seem to be a complete
> solution for most environments, I find that they could use some help with
> large screen CRT monitors (note that they seem fine for LCD monitors).
> Anyway, if anyone wants to read (or participate) in this discussion, here
> is a link:
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> http://forums.bioharmonics.com/index.php?showtopic=22
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> Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they delete some of my posts!
> (after all, it might hurt their business)
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>>Short of ordering some of their products, and testing them ....
>>they give no idea of how they work...
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> They are a passive shunt filter. Essentially it should be an
> equivalent to plugging in dozens of RFI/EMI filters into various
> outlets, but instead you only need to plug in one. It generates a
> coherent field of a certain radius, and any other fields it comes
> into contact with becomes coherent as well (according to the laws of
> quantum mechanics, hence the name of the product). I suspect they
> don't describe how it works because most people wouldn't understand
> it... :-)
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> Anecdotally, they have told me a story where a bunch of cows refused
> to go into a metal barn after a cell tower was installed nearby.
> After plugging in a single Quantum Pro into the barn, the cows not
> only went into the barn, but didn't want to leave.
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> But yes, you would have to order one and see if they worked for your
> particular situation. At least this is a company which has a money
> back guarantee.
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>> Hallo, Wille,
>> your questions ...
>>
>> These cells comminicate with each other through photons, that is light
>> impulses - the german Prof. Alfred Popp >spent decades of research on
>> this und wrote quite a few books ...
>>
> Has Prof. Popp published any peer reviewed articles, or is he one of
> the
> "New Age" scientist that publish plenty of books?
>
> I just try to establish creditability for ES-people in our community,
> that's why i strike hard against "none science".
>
>>
>> While these waves that I call longitudinal weaves pass the shielding
> of >an faradayan cage, they are upheld by a layer of about 2 cm of
> water.
>>
> I know for sure that a few meter of saltwater (about 1% NaCl) stops
> (almost) all radio waves. It might be so that 900MHz and 1800MHz
> signals
> are heavily attenuated by just 2cm of water?
>
>>
>> How do I know, what I am measuring? Simply this way. First I measure
>> the
>> present state of the acupuncture system; then I put the mobile on and
>> measure
>> again and see the difference.
>>
> It is quite possible that your e-meter react at the fields from the
> mobile when the field is strong enough!
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> Though I have doubts (see above!), I can tell you that my dentist got
> himself a sensitive mV-meter to be able to measure potential
> differences
> between tooth's. He figured out that there were differences between
> ES-people and none-ES-people, especially when adding extra fields in
> the
> environment. It is possible that same error occurs here as above.
>
> In the future (starting out within 6 months) I will try to repeat both
> Dietrich's findings and the ones from my dentist!
>
> It might be a way to achieve objective documentation that EM-fields d
> o
> affect human beings.
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> Anders Eriksson
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> > electromagnetic fields.
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> Sorry Charles, I can't remember anything about measuring high frequency
> with that mV-meter! As I recall it, i talked about measuring potential
> differences between tooth's (in this case, not mentioned earlier, DC). I
> said absolutely nothing about HF!
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> > For hf EMF special meters are required.
> > An electroacupuncture equipment is not an e-meter (in this sense).
>
> OOPS! Dietrich Grün used the expression e-meter, and I continued to use
> the same expression to avoid confusion! It obviously didn't work out!
> >
> > And with all the meters we have nowadays, one can only measure the
> > transversal waves, NOT the longitudinal waves, or Tesla waves, or

> > scientifically proved, but that nevertheless exist.
>
> Do they (;-) exist?
> >
> > Officially, electrosensible people cannot exist, but nevertheless they
> > suffer enormously.
>
> I am quite aware about that. Tell me about it, I have been through a lot.
> But it is necessary to approach the problem in a scientific way, not
> just try to sell as much expensive "New Age stuff" with doubtful
> effects. If you are seriously harmed by EM-fields then cognitive
> therapies and beliefs is of no use.
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> > One cannot hear, or feel, or taste, or see the electrosmog surrounding

> > the moment?*
> > There can be influences at work, we do not know about, but can have an
> > impact on the measuring results.
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> Very true! I have a friend (believe it or not, but I have got friends)
> who gets a serious migraine for three days starting the day after when
> she got exposure from fields she cant handle.
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> > A doctor once said: *Electrosmog? When I hold a Voltmeter in the air, I
> > measure nothing! So electrosmog does not exist.*
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> I get sad to hear this but I am sure it's true.
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> > With a normal Voltmeter, one cannot measure the temperature of a patient
> > also. One needs therefore a thermometer, which is quite different from a
> > Voltmeter.
> > Most electriciens do have a Voltmeter, with which they measure AC, DC,

> > about magnetic fields, they are flabbergasted.
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> What I actually was trying to say in one of my resent postings was that
> instruments made for use in e.g. measuring DC-currents can be influenced
> from EM-fields from a mobile and therefore the readout might be totally
> wrong if you don't take the interaction from HF-radiation in consider.
>
> Anders Eriksson
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> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:14
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal ?
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> >>[hidden email] wrote:
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> >>>Hallo, Wille,
> >>>your questions ...
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> >> >These cells comminicate with each other through photons, that is light
> >> >impulses - the german Prof. Alfred Popp >spent decades of research on
> >> >this und wrote quite a few books ...
> >> >
> >>Has Prof. Popp published any peer reviewed articles, or is he one of the
> >>"New Age" scientist that publish plenty of books?
> >>
> >>I just try to establish creditability for ES-people in our community,
> >>that's why i strike hard against "none science".
> >>
> >> >
> >> >While these waves that I call longitudinal weaves pass the shielding
> >>of >an faradayan cage, they are upheld by a layer of about 2 cm of

> >>>present state of the acupuncture system; then I put the mobile on and
> >
> > measure
> >
> >>>again and see the difference.
> >>>
> >>
> >>It is quite possible that your e-meter react at the fields from the
> >>mobile when the field is strong enough!
> >>
> >>---
> >>
> >>Though I have doubts (see above!), I can tell you that my dentist got
> >>himself a sensitive mV-meter to be able to measure potential differences
> >>between tooth's. He figured out that there were differences between
> >>ES-people and none-ES-people, especially when adding extra fields in the
> >>environment. It is possible that same error occurs here as above.
> >>
> >>In the future (starting out within 6 months) I will try to repeat both
> >>Dietrich's findings and the ones from my dentist!
> >>
> >>It might be a way to achieve objective documentation that EM-fields d o
> >> affect human beings.
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> >>Anders Eriksson
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>The thing about these filters is that most (including the one in the attached
>weblink) are designed to filter the energy flowing into the appliance, rather
>than the return current flowing back into the household electrical wiring.
>According to some electrical technicians, the conventional type will probably
>act to filter SOME noise going back into the household wiring, but the best
>ones are designed to work best in one direction. The best ones have both an
>inductor and a capacitor and, depending how these components are configured,
>they will filter noise better in a certain direction. Essentially, as I
>understand it, you would have to use most conventional filters backwards to
>achieve the desired result, i.e. to stop high frequency noise/harmonics
>(generated by the very common switch mode power supplies used in computers and
>many other electronic devices) from being sent back through the household on
>the neutral wire, which subjects the household to additional fields of various
>types and could also act as a transmitter of radiation (with the same frequency
>as whatever noise is present). As I understand it (not that I've received a
>reply from their technical people yet), the filters made by Stetzer-Electric in
>the states are designed to stop the noise from getting back into the wiring,
>rather than stopping it from getting into the electrical/electronic device.
>Perhaps it could even be possible for a conventional filter to modify the
>frequencies of transients in such a way as to be more detrimental to
>electrically sensitive people. If you can't buy the 'right' type of filter,
>then they can be easily made from components readily available from an
>electronics supplies shop, relatively cheaply (though you need one for every
>outlet that serves an offending appliance - do the worst appliances first e.g.
>things with transformers and motors). If you are unable to do this yourself,
>you can get a technician to make one for you and then copy it (these are very
>simple devices and generally contain only two inductors and three capacitors).
>You could probably find a good design on the web somewhere e.g. use the wiring
>diagrams provided on the websites of components suppliers but simply reverse
>the direction in which the current flows (go to http://www.rsaustralia.com/ and
>type the number 210386 into the search box at the top left hand side of the
>page, press go and then scroll down the new page to see a wiring diagram of a
>filter). I am very interested to know if anyone on this list has used the
>Stetzer Electric type filters with positive (or negative) results, rather than
>the conventional filters. Thanks
>Lachlan
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
>Sent: Thursday, 19 February 2004 5:03 PM
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [eSens] Capacitor RFI/EMI line filters?
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>Hi all,
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>I'm curious -- has anyone here ever tried a simple capacitor RFI/EMI filter
>plugged into their electrical system, and if so, did it make any difference
>in your ES symptoms?
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>Such filters are actually quite common, and are built-into some
>surge-protector power strips. For example:
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> http://www.polsteins.com/fisinc5outcu.html
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>Such filters use a capacitor to take the high frequency "noise" out of your
>electrical lines. There is anecdotal evidence that such filters have
>dramatically improved people's health.
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>Hi all,
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>I had a cell phone which did not work in my flat. I was being able to use it only at the balcony,outside. Than I had to change it.I thought that problem was my double layer window glasses. Would you think double layer glass window will help to stop some of the cell site radiation from outside?
>Thanks
>Nil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Sage
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal waves
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> Dear folks,
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> Several years ago, our office in Santa Barbara became uninhabitable with
> the development of a major regional cell site on the roof of the
> adjacent building,
> third story to third story at about 160' horizontal distance. There
> were about 26
> individual antennas operating at both the 800-900 MHz and 1250-1300 MHz
> frequencies.
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> We looked at (and implemented) some RF shielding methods. The one
> which worked
> best in testing was a couple of centimeters thickness of water. It
> blocked all detectable
> RF (down to a couple of nanowatts/cm2).
>
> The problem was in figuring out a building-wide application. The
> weight of the water
> was too great. A big shower curtain impregnated with water (think
> something like
> continuous bubblewrap filled with water)... would have done it. But
> the logistics
> were daunting. We finally moved.
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> One further caution - RF shielding paint (copper-based paint) and RF
> shielding curtain
> material DO work.... if properly grounded they work best..... BUT..
>
> If you put up these materials on the walls between you and the source
> building,
> and then the building BEHIND you later becomes a transmitting site, the
> RF just comes
> in from behind and ricochets around at you. This type of "solution"
> really needs thinking
> thru.
>
> Cindy Sage
> Sage Associates
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> On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, at 03:14 AM, Anders Eriksson wrote:
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> > [hidden email] wrote:
> >> Hallo, Wille,
> >> your questions ...
> >>
> >> These cells comminicate with each other through photons, that is light
> >> impulses - the german Prof. Alfred Popp >spent decades of research on
> >> this und wrote quite a few books ...
> >>
> > Has Prof. Popp published any peer reviewed articles, or is he one of
> > the
> > "New Age" scientist that publish plenty of books?
> >
> > I just try to establish creditability for ES-people in our community,
> > that's why i strike hard against "none science".
> >
> >>
> >> While these waves that I call longitudinal weaves pass the shielding
> > of >an faradayan cage, they are upheld by a layer of about 2 cm of
> > water.
> >>
> > I know for sure that a few meter of saltwater (about 1% NaCl) stops
> > (almost) all radio waves. It might be so that 900MHz and 1800MHz
> > signals
> > are heavily attenuated by just 2cm of water?
> >
> >>
> >> How do I know, what I am measuring? Simply this way. First I measure
> >> the
> >> present state of the acupuncture system; then I put the mobile on and
> >> measure
> >> again and see the difference.
> >>
> > It is quite possible that your e-meter react at the fields from the
> > mobile when the field is strong enough!
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Though I have doubts (see above!), I can tell you that my dentist got
> > himself a sensitive mV-meter to be able to measure potential
> > differences
> > between tooth's. He figured out that there were differences between
> > ES-people and none-ES-people, especially when adding extra fields in
> > the
> > environment. It is possible that same error occurs here as above.
> >
> > In the future (starting out within 6 months) I will try to repeat both
> > Dietrich's findings and the ones from my dentist!
> >
> > It might be a way to achieve objective documentation that EM-fields d
> > o
> > affect human beings.
> >
> > Anders Eriksson
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>Hello Nil,
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>window panes which have a sun-shielding are very well known to shield high
>frequency fields, like those of mobile phones.
>This sun shielding abtained because very small metal particles are
>manufactured on the surface of the pane.
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>The same effect you can obtain with normal window panes, when you put these
>transparent hf shielding films on the glass.
>These films consist of two layers. The upper must be taken off, the window
>pane should be wetted with clear water, and the now open side of the film
>placed against the glass. The water must be pushed away, and the oversized
>sides of the film be cut with a sharp knife.
>Although these films are transparent, they tend to make it a little darker
>in the room.
>Biologa has a range of those films, named RDF.
>See www.enviratest.com , Biologa, Hochfrequenz HF
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>Sorry, most Germans speak only German, and are a bit lazy in making their
>information sheet also in english.
>They fear, that they have to make them in many languages, but aside german,
>I think english is neccessary for a lot of other countries.
>I do hope, that Biologa will do their best in doing that soon.
>
>Greetings,
>Charles Claessens
>member Verband Baubiologie
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nymphaea/formerly nil" <[hidden email]>
>To: <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 02:22
>Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal waves
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>>Hi all,
>>
>>I had a cell phone which did not work in my flat. I was being able to use
>>
>>
>it only at the balcony,outside. Than I had to change it.I thought that
>problem was my double layer window glasses. Would you think double layer
>glass window will help to stop some of the cell site radiation from outside?
>
>
>>Thanks
>>Nil
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>> From: Cindy Sage
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal waves
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>Hello Anders Eriksson,
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>recently I am confronted with people who bought some cheaper meters, and are
>wondering what they actually are measuring.
>Discussions in other newsgroups (building biologists) point to the same
>aspect, that having some meters does not garantuee that one is able to
>measure accordingly.
>That was my point in the former posting.
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>  
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>>But it is necessary to approach the problem in a scientific way, not
>>just try to sell as much expensive "New Age stuff" with doubtful
>>effects.
>>    
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>I completely agree with you there.
>However, when the *scientific ways* are presently not there, one is obliged
>to use other means temporarily.
>
>We have made *Orgon* blankets, large ones and smaller ones.
>One measures 60 x 40 Centimeters.
>When my wife is not felling very well somewhere, she puts this on the place
>of the body, and it helps.
>Don't ask me why, but it does.
>*Orgon* blankets can be easily made, although it is time consuming.
>One takes a 100 % wool blanket, with a layer of (abrasive) fine grade
>steel-wool, a layer of 100 % wool again, and a layer of the fine grade
>steel-wool and a layer of 100 % wool. The sewing together by hand takes
>most of the time.
>That's it.
>No theory, but praxis. And experience.
>It is not much expensive "New Age stuff", but really old-fashioned.
>Reich wrote about it in the 1920s and 1930s. There was no "New Age stuff"
>then!
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>With the RFI system, the frequencies on 40 points of the body are measured
>with a special frequency counter. These values are imported in a computer
>programm, which translates thes values into 15 colors of the corresponding
>auras.
>Together with the print-out, an extensive explanation is printed.
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>  
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>>What I actually was trying to say in one of my resent postings was that
>>instruments made for use in e.g. measuring DC-currents can be influenced
>>from EM-fields from a mobile and therefore the readout might be totally
>>wrong if you don't take the interaction from HF-radiation in consider.
>>    
>>
>
>That is absolutely correct.
>We know very little about the ineteraction of HF-radiation.
>We do know, that HF-radiation wants to ride with other radiation.
>So, when radio beams are around, HF-radiation travels with it, and the total
>sum is bigger, than the HF-radiation level alone.
>(Therefore those new Gigaherz Analysers start at 800 MHz, in order to avoid
>those radio and TV signals to interfere)
>We also know, that the negative effect of earth beams are enhanced when
>HF-radiation comes to it.
>
>I also have the impression, that continuous HF-radiation makes metal things,
>like bedframes, etc more magnetic.
>I cannot prove it, but I have this strong impression.
>
>For my bioenergy meter, I have just ordered a new Large Plate, where people
>can stand on for measuring.
>With the normal sondes, it was a bit problematic for measuring people.
>I hope that I can measure then more precise.
>
>Greetings,
>Charles Claessens
>member Verband Baubiologie
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
>To: <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 17:56
>Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal ?
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>>charles wrote:
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>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>running around with a meter is not the same as using measuring
>>>      
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>technique.
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>>>With measuring technique it is important to know how to hold the
>>>      
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>measuring
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>>>meter.
>>>Is an earth line required?
>>>Should the meter be hold tight against the body, or at arms length?
>>>Are the surroundings in calculated?
>>>
>>>With a mV meter, how sensitive it may be, one cannot measure high
>>>      
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>frequency
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>>>electromagnetic fields.
>>>      
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>>Sorry Charles, I can't remember anything about measuring high frequency
>>with that mV-meter! As I recall it, i talked about measuring potential
>>differences between tooth's (in this case, not mentioned earlier, DC). I
>>said absolutely nothing about HF!
>>
>>    
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>>>For hf EMF special meters are required.
>>>An electroacupuncture equipment is not an e-meter (in this sense).
>>>      
>>>
>>OOPS! Dietrich Grün used the expression e-meter, and I continued to use
>>the same expression to avoid confusion! It obviously didn't work out!
>>    
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>>>And with all the meters we have nowadays, one can only measure the
>>>transversal waves, NOT the longitudinal waves, or Tesla waves, or
>>>      
>>>
>whatever
>  
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>>>name we give them.
>>>We can only measure their influence on the human body, by other
>>>      
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>measuring
>  
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>>>equipment.
>>>For instance with electro acupuncture.
>>>Even electro acupuncture is not commonly accepted as a scientific means.
>>>
>>>There are more people who have studied and made some theories, which are
>>>      
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>not
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>>>yet accepted by the *unbelieveable* community, because it does not fit
>>>      
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>into
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>>>the present theories.
>>>There was a time that the earth was completely flat!
>>>Among those people was a certain Wilhelm Reich, who put his theories for
>>>discussion.
>>>*Orgon* is something many do not believe in. But we made *Orgon*
>>>      
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>blankets,
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>>>who function very well.
>>>      
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>>I guess it woks for believers!
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>>    
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>>>We have made *Orgon* accumulators that function also very well.
>>>I now have a life energy meter, with which I can measure the bioenergy
>>>      
>>>
>of
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>>>people, plants and things.
>>>I have a read-out on a display.
>>>I measure the difference in water samples. Before and after I place this
>>>sample on a Purple Plate, I find a raise in bioenergy afterwards.
>>>There is no *peer-review* on the working of a Purple Plate, but I can
>>>measure it.
>>>
>>>With my RFI measuring system, I can measure the working of an australian
>>>T-shirt. It positively improves the aura of the bearer. I can measure
>>>      
>>>
>the
>  
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>>>auras on 40 points of the body, although many people do not believe that
>>>they exist.
>>>      
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>>Yes, I do believe that there are some energy fields (aura) around living
>>things. I am curios about your RFI measuring system. Please tell me (us)
>>more about it!
>>    
>>
>>>I just wanted to show, that there are many things around us, that are
>>>      
>>>
>not
>  
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>>>scientifically proved, but that nevertheless exist.
>>>      
>>>
>>Do they (;-) exist?
>>    
>>
>>>Officially, electrosensible people cannot exist, but nevertheless they
>>>suffer enormously.
>>>      
>>>
>>I am quite aware about that. Tell me about it, I have been through a lot.
>>But it is necessary to approach the problem in a scientific way, not
>>just try to sell as much expensive "New Age stuff" with doubtful
>>effects. If you are seriously harmed by EM-fields then cognitive
>>therapies and beliefs is of no use.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>One cannot hear, or feel, or taste, or see the electrosmog surrounding
>>>      
>>>
>us,
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>>>but our body reacts to it.
>>>By some more than others.
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>>>My point is, that everybody should ask him/herself: *What am I measuring
>>>      
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>>>the moment?*
>>>There can be influences at work, we do not know about, but can have an
>>>impact on the measuring results.
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>>Very true! I have a friend (believe it or not, but I have got friends)
>>who gets a serious migraine for three days starting the day after when
>>she got exposure from fields she cant handle.
>>
>>    
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>>>A doctor once said: *Electrosmog? When I hold a Voltmeter in the air, I
>>>measure nothing! So electrosmog does not exist.*
>>>      
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>>I get sad to hear this but I am sure it's true.
>>
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>>>With a normal Voltmeter, one cannot measure the temperature of a patient
>>>also. One needs therefore a thermometer, which is quite different from a
>>>Voltmeter.
>>>Most electriciens do have a Voltmeter, with which they measure AC, DC,
>>>      
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>Amps
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>>>and Ohms, which have all to do with electric fields. But when you ask
>>>      
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>>>about magnetic fields, they are flabbergasted.
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>>What I actually was trying to say in one of my resent postings was that
>>instruments made for use in e.g. measuring DC-currents can be influenced
>>from EM-fields from a mobile and therefore the readout might be totally
>>wrong if you don't take the interaction from HF-radiation in consider.
>>
>>Anders Eriksson
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>>>Greetings,
>>>Charles Claessens
>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/
>>>http://www.hese-project.org
>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
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>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
>>>To: <[hidden email]>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 12:14
>>>Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal ?
>>>
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>>>>[hidden email] wrote:
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>>>>>Hallo, Wille,
>>>>>your questions ...
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>These cells comminicate with each other through photons, that is light
>>>>>impulses - the german Prof. Alfred Popp >spent decades of research on
>>>>>this und wrote quite a few books ...
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>Has Prof. Popp published any peer reviewed articles, or is he one of the
>>>>"New Age" scientist that publish plenty of books?
>>>>
>>>>I just try to establish creditability for ES-people in our community,
>>>>that's why i strike hard against "none science".
>>>>
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>>>>>While these waves that I call longitudinal weaves pass the shielding
>>>>>          
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>>>>of >an faradayan cage, they are upheld by a layer of about 2 cm of
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>water.
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>>>>I know for sure that a few meter of saltwater (about 1% NaCl) stops
>>>>(almost) all radio waves. It might be so that 900MHz and 1800MHz signals
>>>>are heavily attenuated by just 2cm of water?
>>>>
>>>>        
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>>>>>How do I know, what I am measuring? Simply this way. First I measure
>>>>>          
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>the
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>>>>>present state of the acupuncture system; then I put the mobile on and
>>>>>          
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>>>measure
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>>>>>again and see the difference.
>>>>>
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>>>>It is quite possible that your e-meter react at the fields from the
>>>>mobile when the field is strong enough!
>>>>
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>>>>Though I have doubts (see above!), I can tell you that my dentist got
>>>>himself a sensitive mV-meter to be able to measure potential differences
>>>>between tooth's. He figured out that there were differences between
>>>>ES-people and none-ES-people, especially when adding extra fields in the
>>>>environment. It is possible that same error occurs here as above.
>>>>
>>>>In the future (starting out within 6 months) I will try to repeat both
>>>>Dietrich's findings and the ones from my dentist!
>>>>
>>>>It might be a way to achieve objective documentation that EM-fields d o
>>>> affect human beings.
>>>>
>>>>Anders Eriksson
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>Hallo, Wille,
>your questions are very interesting. Comparing the human body with a barrel
>of salt water is denying the fact, that there are billions fo living cells,
>that actively react to outer influences to maintain their existence and survive
>even under quite hostile conditions. These cells comminicate with each other
>through photons, that is light impulses - the german Prof. Alfred Popp spent
>decades of research on this und wrote quite a few books. These light impulses
>carry information. Light is an electromagnetic wave. So cells are principally
>sensitive to elektromagnetic waves. So any outer elektromagnetic wave may carry
>information that interferes with the information between the cells. This is the
>reason, why pulsed waves like in mobile phones have a much stronger effecton
>biological organisms than the same frequency without pulsing.
>So what I am measuring in electroacupuncture is the change of the electrical
>skin resistance and specially its dynamic due to the reaction of the living
>body caused by outer electromagnetic waves. The longitudinal waves or whatever
>causes this reaction is not directly measured. And after all the reaction is
>not caused by the longitudinal wave istelf, it is caused by the information
>carried by this wave. This information can be neutral, negative or positive for
>the living organism.The trick is, to change this information or at least
>neutralize it and make its negative effect disappear. Since the waves are still
>there, your e-meter will show no change in its readings!
>
>While these waves that I call longitudinal weaves pass the shielding of an
>faradayan cage, they are upheld by a layer of about 2 cm of water.
>
>How do I know, what I am measuring? Simply this way. First I measure the
>present state of the acupuncture system; then I put the mobile on and measure
>again and see the difference.
>
>Another discovery was, that a mobile held to a glass of normal tap water
>while active, changes the quality of this water, and this quality again can be
>tested by electroacupunkture.
>A much stronger change occurs, when the water while exposed to the mobile is
>put in an faradayan cage and with the mobile outside the cage. Actually the
>effect on the water should disappear according to classic physics. But it is
>drastically changed. Since my system of electroacupuncture allows to say how
>strong this charging of the water relatively is, I could make a lot of astonishing
>discoveries.
>
>I am aware, that out of the above mentioned a lot of new questions may arise.
>I wanted to make it simple by just giving a summary of my findings. What I
>said is not just theory, it is the result of patient experimentation and it is
>proved to be valid, because I put the knowledge into a product to neutralize
>electrosmog, which is successfully on the market since 2 years.
>
>This might be enough for the moment.
>Greetings, Dietrich Grün
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>I had a cell phone which did not work in my flat. I was being able to use it only at the balcony,outside. Than I had to change it.I thought that problem was my double layer window glasses. Would you think double layer glass window will help to stop some of the cell site radiation from outside?
>Thanks
>Nil  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cindy Sage
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal waves
>
>
> Dear folks,
>
> Several years ago, our office in Santa Barbara became uninhabitable with
> the development of a major regional cell site on the roof of the
> adjacent building,
> third story to third story at about 160' horizontal distance. There
> were about 26
> individual antennas operating at both the 800-900 MHz and 1250-1300 MHz
> frequencies.
>
> We looked at (and implemented) some RF shielding methods. The one
> which worked
> best in testing was a couple of centimeters thickness of water. It
> blocked all detectable
> RF (down to a couple of nanowatts/cm2).
>
> The problem was in figuring out a building-wide application. The
> weight of the water
> was too great. A big shower curtain impregnated with water (think
> something like
> continuous bubblewrap filled with water)... would have done it. But
> the logistics
> were daunting. We finally moved.
>
> One further caution - RF shielding paint (copper-based paint) and RF
> shielding curtain
> material DO work.... if properly grounded they work best..... BUT..
>
> If you put up these materials on the walls between you and the source
> building,
> and then the building BEHIND you later becomes a transmitting site, the
> RF just comes
> in from behind and ricochets around at you. This type of "solution"
> really needs thinking
> thru.
>
> Cindy Sage
> Sage Associates
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> On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, at 03:14 AM, Anders Eriksson wrote:
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> > [hidden email] wrote:
> >> Hallo, Wille,
> >> your questions ...
> >>
> >> These cells comminicate with each other through photons, that is light
> >> impulses - the german Prof. Alfred Popp >spent decades of research on
> >> this und wrote quite a few books ...
> >>
> > Has Prof. Popp published any peer reviewed articles, or is he one of
> > the
> > "New Age" scientist that publish plenty of books?
> >
> > I just try to establish creditability for ES-people in our community,
> > that's why i strike hard against "none science".
> >
> >>
> >> While these waves that I call longitudinal weaves pass the shielding
> > of >an faradayan cage, they are upheld by a layer of about 2 cm of
> > water.
> >>
> > I know for sure that a few meter of saltwater (about 1% NaCl) stops
> > (almost) all radio waves. It might be so that 900MHz and 1800MHz
> > signals
> > are heavily attenuated by just 2cm of water?
> >
> >>
> >> How do I know, what I am measuring? Simply this way. First I measure
> >> the
> >> present state of the acupuncture system; then I put the mobile on and
> >> measure
> >> again and see the difference.
> >>
> > It is quite possible that your e-meter react at the fields from the
> > mobile when the field is strong enough!
> >
> > ---
> >
> > Though I have doubts (see above!), I can tell you that my dentist got
> > himself a sensitive mV-meter to be able to measure potential
> > differences
> > between tooth's. He figured out that there were differences between
> > ES-people and none-ES-people, especially when adding extra fields in
> > the
> > environment. It is possible that same error occurs here as above.
> >
> > In the future (starting out within 6 months) I will try to repeat both
> > Dietrich's findings and the ones from my dentist!
> >
> > It might be a way to achieve objective documentation that EM-fields d
> > o
> > affect human beings.
> >
> > Anders Eriksson
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> Charles.
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> Apart from the waste of money you recommend when treating the windows.
> How shall Nil shield the walls?
> For the sake of argument lets say that he;
> 1./ lives in a wood house.
> 2./ lives in a brick house.
>
> Wille Borlin
> SWEDEN
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> charles wrote:
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> >Hello Nil,
> >
> >window panes which have a sun-shielding are very well known to shield

> >I think english is neccessary for a lot of other countries.
> >I do hope, that Biologa will do their best in doing that soon.
> >
> >Greetings,
> >Charles Claessens
> >member Verband Baubiologie
> >http://members.rott.chello.nl/cclaessens/
> >http://www.hese-project.org
> >checked by Norton Antivirus
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> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Nymphaea/formerly nil" <[hidden email]>
> >To: <[hidden email]>
> >Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 02:22
> >Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal waves
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi all,
> >>
> >>I had a cell phone which did not work in my flat. I was being able to

> >
> >
> >>Thanks
> >>Nil
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Cindy Sage
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:43 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [eSens] longitudinal waves
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