Beds for ES

>
>      About 2 months ago I gave my metal bed frame to the Salvation Army and had a slatted wooden platform made for my mattress. But it sure is expensive even using plain standard wood. However I do sleep much better now. I didn't have any complaints with the metal frame -but this supports the mattress much better in my opinion.
>
>               blessings
>                    Shan
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "boysand2dogs" <presentlyhappy@> wrote:
> >
> > I recently met with a bed manufacturing company that has a unique bed made with no springs and they can determine which bed is right for you based on boby measurements and sleeping patterns.  I was impressed that there are no springs and thought of us ES folks.  Here is their website http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ and I was curious about what you all thought of or if you have found other solution?
> >
>

> I didn't express myself very well - I did not have any issues with  
> the metal frame in the past- not until I developed EMS did the metal  
> frame cause any problems. I got a wooden bed platform because my bed  
> was vibrating all night. It felt like when a large truck goes by -  
> the ground seems to vibrate, well my bed did that all night.
>
> Now I also have a canopy made from Swiss Shield Naturel and I sleep  
> so deeply that if the house caught on fire I don't know if I would  
> wake up. I know I haven't slept this well for at least 4 years..  
> Most nights I would wake up at least 4 times a night, and I would be  
> soaked from perspiration --now that does not happen anymore.
>
> I am not happy with how much I paid for the canopy --it was a total  
> fluke and I was just lucky that I happened to get the money for it -  
> but I cannot argue how much better it is to get a decent night's  
> sleep. But it annoys me - it would have been nice if I could have  
> spent some of that money on something that I enjoyed.......
>
> blessings
> Shan
>
> --- In [hidden email], "bestsurprise2" <surpriseshan2@...>  
> wrote:
> >
> > About 2 months ago I gave my metal bed frame to the Salvation Army  
> and had a slatted wooden platform made for my mattress. But it sure  
> is expensive even using plain standard wood. However I do sleep much  
> better now. I didn't have any complaints with the metal frame -but  
> this supports the mattress much better in my opinion.
> >
> > blessings
> > Shan
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "boysand2dogs" <presentlyhappy@>  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I recently met with a bed manufacturing company that has a  
> unique bed made with no springs and they can determine which bed is  
> right for you based on boby measurements and sleeping patterns. I  
> was impressed that there are no springs and thought of us ES folks.  
> Here is their website http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ and I was  
> curious about what you all thought of or if you have found other  
> solution?
> > >
> >
>
>

>
> Shan, I'm curious as to what type of mattress you have.  Does it have  
> innersprings?  I have a wood bed frame, but the latex mattress I  
> bought hurt my back.  So I'm sleeping on an air mattress (vinyl -  
> ugh!), but really, really want a solid organic mattress with support/
> comfort such as is found with an inner spring mattress.
>
> Also, have MCS so am concerned about off-gassing from a canopy.  If  
> you don't have MCS, you might not have noticed a chemical smell, but  
> in case you do have MCS, can you tell me if you had a problems with it  
> chemical-wise?
>
> Thank you,
> Esther
> On Aug 7, 2012, at 6:28 PM, bestsurprise2 wrote:
>
> > I didn't express myself very well - I did not have any issues with  
> > the metal frame in the past- not until I developed EMS did the metal  
> > frame cause any problems. I got a wooden bed platform because my bed  
> > was vibrating all night. It felt like when a large truck goes by -  
> > the ground seems to vibrate, well my bed did that all night.
> >
> > Now I also have a canopy made from Swiss Shield Naturel and I sleep  
> > so deeply that if the house caught on fire I don't know if I would  
> > wake up. I know I haven't slept this well for at least 4 years..  
> > Most nights I would wake up at least 4 times a night, and I would be  
> > soaked from perspiration --now that does not happen anymore.
> >
> > I am not happy with how much I paid for the canopy --it was a total  
> > fluke and I was just lucky that I happened to get the money for it -  
> > but I cannot argue how much better it is to get a decent night's  
> > sleep. But it annoys me - it would have been nice if I could have  
> > spent some of that money on something that I enjoyed.......
> >
> > blessings
> > Shan
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "bestsurprise2" <surpriseshan2@>  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > About 2 months ago I gave my metal bed frame to the Salvation Army  
> > and had a slatted wooden platform made for my mattress. But it sure  
> > is expensive even using plain standard wood. However I do sleep much  
> > better now. I didn't have any complaints with the metal frame -but  
> > this supports the mattress much better in my opinion.
> > >
> > > blessings
> > > Shan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "boysand2dogs" <presentlyhappy@>  
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I recently met with a bed manufacturing company that has a  
> > unique bed made with no springs and they can determine which bed is  
> > right for you based on boby measurements and sleeping patterns. I  
> > was impressed that there are no springs and thought of us ES folks.  
> > Here is their website http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ and I was  
> > curious about what you all thought of or if you have found other  
> > solution?
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> At the moment I have an ordinary Sears mattress - I bought it in  
> 1980 -- which is more then 30 years old. No springs thank goodness.  
> I have been thinking of getting a new mattress for the last couple  
> of years --but now I would need to get an organic wool/latex  
> mattress. I am planning on applying for a grant next year to get one.
> I have had MCS since 1988.
>
> How did the latex mattress harm your back? My doctor has MCS and she  
> likes the latex mattresses.
>
> Yes,the canopy smelled when I bought it -- not horribly but I have  
> MCS and had to wash it --I washed it with a cup of baking soda  
> dissolved in the water and hung it up to dry. But the one I bought  
> is made of Swiss Shield "Naturell" material
> http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/RF/products_rf_fabric.htm
> which is all cotton except the metal woven in. I also gave myself a  
> laser treatment - it is a lot like a NAET treatment only one uses a  
> red or green laser over all the acupuncture points in the ear,  
> bottom of feet and hands.
> Laser Field Repatterning
> by Andreanna Rainville RN
> Dr Klinghardt'nurse secretary Andreanna Rainville did a PowerPoint  
> presentation that shows how to do laser restructuring by scanning  
> the body, soles, ears etc. with a 5mw green laser.
> http://andreannarainville.com/practical_uses.html
>
> Meridian Laser Technique Video
> by Sandi Radomski ND www.allergyantidotes.com
> Free DOWNLOAD Meridian Laser Technique DVD -- download for Windows &  
> one for Macs - http://www.allergyantidotes.com/Thank_You.html
>
> I am not great at this protocol as I have only used it a couple of  
> times so far and I have had to give myself 3 treatments before it  
> took - I reacted to the wood the bed platform was made of for  
> example and it took 3 treatments before I completely stopped  
> reacting to it. However I have ordered a green laser and some vials  
> to do the proper protocol. I also plan to use the green laser for  
> detoxing.
> Bioenergetic Testing and Laser Detoxification
> http://www.holisticcancermd.com/led.htm
>
> Dr. Doug Phillips - Laser Energetic Detox
> video is a very good demonstration by Dr Doug Phillips on a Laser  
> Detox session
> Laser Energetic Detoxification (LED) was first developed in 2001.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKnhFGQ6djM
>
> I have a friend whom has had a lot of success using the laser for  
> allergies, chemicals, as well as detoxing --for herself, her husband  
> as well as several of her friends.
>
> blessings
> Shan
>
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>
> Wow!  Thanks for all the info and links!  I did NAET for several years  
> in the late 1990's - early 2000's. I suspect I've lost all my  
> clearings by now.  Hadn't heard about the laster techniques, etc.  
> Will have to explore everything you've posted when I can.
>
> Good to know the canopy is cotton.  I've tried some EMF shielding  
> things w/ silver and poly fabric, and it seems to make my ES worse.
>
> In answer your question about my mattress problem, it aggravated an  
> old tailbone injury.  The mattress  was a Savvy Rest with three layers  
> of dunlop latex, and an organic cotton and wool casing that could be  
> zipped open to change the layer configuration.  I ordered a medium-
> soft-soft because I'd tried that combination out at a store and it  
> seemed firm enough.  However, when I slept on it at home, I sank into  
> it and that aggravated my low back and tailbone (pain!). I exchanged  
> one soft layer for a firm layer, but it didn't help.  Even just using  
> the firm and medium layers didn't work.  To be fair, I realized months  
> later that the fact that in preparation for delivery of the bed frame  
> and mattress, I moved heavy stuff out of the bedroom and vacuumed  
> probably caused some of the low back/tailbone problem.
>
> The Saavy Rest website has a good explanation of the difference  
> between dunlop and talalay latex.  I recall also reading somewhere  
> that the difference between the two types is like sponge cake vs.  
> angel food cake.
>
> I tried a different brand of latex bed at another store, and the  
> salesperson told me that having a stretchy organic cotton cover is  
> better because the latex can move/respond better.
>
> I also just plain didn't like the smell of latex.  It doesn't go  
> away.  I like the feel of an innerspring mattress because of the  
> "bounciness", but I'm afraid ES has eliminated that option for me.  
> The latex just didn't seem to be supportive in the places I needed it  
> to be.  I sank into it, rather than being supported by it.
>
> I'd suggest asking for samples to be sent to you to see if you can  
> tolerate the latex. If not, you could do clearings on the latex before  
> you get the bed.  Also, if you live somewhere there is a showroom for  
> any brand latex mattresses, you could try one out to get an idea if it  
> would work for you.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Esther
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:04 AM, bestsurprise2 wrote:
>
> > At the moment I have an ordinary Sears mattress - I bought it in  
> > 1980 -- which is more then 30 years old. No springs thank goodness.  
> > I have been thinking of getting a new mattress for the last couple  
> > of years --but now I would need to get an organic wool/latex  
> > mattress. I am planning on applying for a grant next year to get one.
> > I have had MCS since 1988.
> >
> > How did the latex mattress harm your back? My doctor has MCS and she  
> > likes the latex mattresses.
> >
> > Yes,the canopy smelled when I bought it -- not horribly but I have  
> > MCS and had to wash it --I washed it with a cup of baking soda  
> > dissolved in the water and hung it up to dry. But the one I bought  
> > is made of Swiss Shield "Naturell" material
> > http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/RF/products_rf_fabric.htm
> > which is all cotton except the metal woven in. I also gave myself a  
> > laser treatment - it is a lot like a NAET treatment only one uses a  
> > red or green laser over all the acupuncture points in the ear,  
> > bottom of feet and hands.
> > Laser Field Repatterning
> > by Andreanna Rainville RN
> > Dr Klinghardt'nurse secretary Andreanna Rainville did a PowerPoint  
> > presentation that shows how to do laser restructuring by scanning  
> > the body, soles, ears etc. with a 5mw green laser.
> > http://andreannarainville.com/practical_uses.html
> >
> > Meridian Laser Technique Video
> > by Sandi Radomski ND www.allergyantidotes.com
> > Free DOWNLOAD Meridian Laser Technique DVD -- download for Windows &  
> > one for Macs - http://www.allergyantidotes.com/Thank_You.html
> >
> > I am not great at this protocol as I have only used it a couple of  
> > times so far and I have had to give myself 3 treatments before it  
> > took - I reacted to the wood the bed platform was made of for  
> > example and it took 3 treatments before I completely stopped  
> > reacting to it. However I have ordered a green laser and some vials  
> > to do the proper protocol. I also plan to use the green laser for  
> > detoxing.
> > Bioenergetic Testing and Laser Detoxification
> > http://www.holisticcancermd.com/led.htm
> >
> > Dr. Doug Phillips - Laser Energetic Detox
> > video is a very good demonstration by Dr Doug Phillips on a Laser  
> > Detox session
> > Laser Energetic Detoxification (LED) was first developed in 2001.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKnhFGQ6djM
> >
> > I have a friend whom has had a lot of success using the laser for  
> > allergies, chemicals, as well as detoxing --for herself, her husband  
> > as well as several of her friends.
> >
> > blessings
> > Shan
> >
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>
>   At the moment I have an ordinary Sears mattress - I bought it in 1980 -- which is more then 30 years old. No springs thank goodness. I have been thinking of getting a new mattress for the last couple of years --but now I would need to get an organic wool/latex mattress. I am planning on applying for a grant next year to get one.
>    I have had MCS since 1988.
>
>    How did the latex mattress harm your back? My doctor  has MCS and she likes the latex mattresses.
>
>     Yes,the canopy smelled when I bought it -- not horribly but I have MCS and had to wash it --I washed it with a cup of baking soda dissolved in the water and hung it up to dry. But the one I bought is made of Swiss Shield "Naturell" material
> http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/RF/products_rf_fabric.htm
>  which is all cotton except the metal woven in.  I also gave myself a laser treatment - it is a lot like a NAET treatment only one uses a red or green laser over all the acupuncture points in the ear, bottom of feet and hands.
> Laser Field Repatterning
> by Andreanna Rainville RN
> Dr Klinghardt'nurse secretary Andreanna Rainville did a PowerPoint presentation that shows how to do laser restructuring by scanning the body, soles, ears etc. with a 5mw green laser.
> http://andreannarainville.com/practical_uses.html
>
>
> Meridian Laser Technique Video
> by Sandi Radomski ND www.allergyantidotes.com
> Free DOWNLOAD Meridian Laser Technique DVD -- download for Windows & one for Macs - http://www.allergyantidotes.com/Thank_You.html
>
>
>  I am not great at this protocol as I have only used it a couple of times so far and I have had to give myself 3 treatments before it took  - I reacted to the wood the  bed platform was made of for example and it took 3 treatments before I completely stopped reacting to it. However I have ordered a green laser and some vials to do the proper protocol. I also plan to use the green laser  for detoxing.
> Bioenergetic Testing and Laser Detoxification
> http://www.holisticcancermd.com/led.htm
>
> Dr. Doug Phillips - Laser Energetic Detox
> video is a very good demonstration  by Dr Doug Phillips on a Laser Detox session
> Laser Energetic Detoxification (LED) was first developed in 2001.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKnhFGQ6djM
>
>     I have a friend whom has had a lot of success using the laser for allergies, chemicals, as well as detoxing --for herself, her husband as well as several of her friends.
>
>             blessings
>               Shan
>
>
>

>
> Shan,
>
> Did you have to put anything under your bed as well to block EMF coming from underneath?
>
> Thanks,
> Ellen
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: bestsurprise2
>   To: [hidden email]
>   Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 9:28 PM
>   Subject: [eSens] Re: Beds for ES
>
>
>    
>   I didn't express myself very well - I did not have any issues with the metal frame in the past- not until I developed EMS did the metal frame cause any problems. I got a wooden bed platform because my bed was vibrating all night. It felt like when a large truck goes by - the ground seems to vibrate, well my bed did that all night.
>
>   Now I also have a canopy made from Swiss Shield Naturel and I sleep so deeply that if the house caught on fire I don't know if I would wake up. I know I haven't slept this well for at least 4 years.. Most nights I would wake up at least 4 times a night, and I would be soaked from perspiration --now that does not happen anymore.
>
>   I am not happy with how much I paid for the canopy --it was a total fluke and I was just lucky that I happened to get the money for it - but I cannot argue how much better it is to get a decent night's sleep. But it annoys me - it would have been nice if I could have spent some of that money on something that I enjoyed.......
>
>   blessings
>   Shan
>
>   --- In [hidden email], "bestsurprise2" <surpriseshan2@> wrote:
>   >
>   > About 2 months ago I gave my metal bed frame to the Salvation Army and had a slatted wooden platform made for my mattress. But it sure is expensive even using plain standard wood. However I do sleep much better now. I didn't have any complaints with the metal frame -but this supports the mattress much better in my opinion.
>   >
>   > blessings
>   > Shan
>   >
>   >
>   > --- In [hidden email], "boysand2dogs" <presentlyhappy@> wrote:
>   > >
>   > > I recently met with a bed manufacturing company that has a unique bed made with no springs and they can determine which bed is right for you based on boby measurements and sleeping patterns. I was impressed that there are no springs and thought of us ES folks. Here is their website http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ and I was curious about what you all thought of or if you have found other solution?
>   > >
>   >
>
>
>
>  
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Wow!  Thanks for all the info and links!  I did NAET for several years  
> in the late 1990's - early 2000's. I suspect I've lost all my  
> clearings by now.  Hadn't heard about the laster techniques, etc.  
> Will have to explore everything you've posted when I can.
>
> Good to know the canopy is cotton.  I've tried some EMF shielding  
> things w/ silver and poly fabric, and it seems to make my ES worse.
>
> In answer your question about my mattress problem, it aggravated an  
> old tailbone injury.  The mattress  was a Savvy Rest with three layers  
> of dunlop latex, and an organic cotton and wool casing that could be  
> zipped open to change the layer configuration.  I ordered a medium-
> soft-soft because I'd tried that combination out at a store and it  
> seemed firm enough.  However, when I slept on it at home, I sank into  
> it and that aggravated my low back and tailbone (pain!). I exchanged  
> one soft layer for a firm layer, but it didn't help.  Even just using  
> the firm and medium layers didn't work.  To be fair, I realized months  
> later that the fact that in preparation for delivery of the bed frame  
> and mattress, I moved heavy stuff out of the bedroom and vacuumed  
> probably caused some of the low back/tailbone problem.
>
> The Saavy Rest website has a good explanation of the difference  
> between dunlop and talalay latex.  I recall also reading somewhere  
> that the difference between the two types is like sponge cake vs.  
> angel food cake.
>
> I tried a different brand of latex bed at another store, and the  
> salesperson told me that having a stretchy organic cotton cover is  
> better because the latex can move/respond better.
>
> I also just plain didn't like the smell of latex.  It doesn't go  
> away.  I like the feel of an innerspring mattress because of the  
> "bounciness", but I'm afraid ES has eliminated that option for me.  
> The latex just didn't seem to be supportive in the places I needed it  
> to be.  I sank into it, rather than being supported by it.
>
> I'd suggest asking for samples to be sent to you to see if you can  
> tolerate the latex. If not, you could do clearings on the latex before  
> you get the bed.  Also, if you live somewhere there is a showroom for  
> any brand latex mattresses, you could try one out to get an idea if it  
> would work for you.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Esther
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:04 AM, bestsurprise2 wrote:
>
> > At the moment I have an ordinary Sears mattress - I bought it in  
> > 1980 -- which is more then 30 years old. No springs thank goodness.  
> > I have been thinking of getting a new mattress for the last couple  
> > of years --but now I would need to get an organic wool/latex  
> > mattress. I am planning on applying for a grant next year to get one.
> > I have had MCS since 1988.
> >
> > How did the latex mattress harm your back? My doctor has MCS and she  
> > likes the latex mattresses.
> >
> > Yes,the canopy smelled when I bought it -- not horribly but I have  
> > MCS and had to wash it --I washed it with a cup of baking soda  
> > dissolved in the water and hung it up to dry. But the one I bought  
> > is made of Swiss Shield "Naturell" material
> > http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/RF/products_rf_fabric.htm
> > which is all cotton except the metal woven in. I also gave myself a  
> > laser treatment - it is a lot like a NAET treatment only one uses a  
> > red or green laser over all the acupuncture points in the ear,  
> > bottom of feet and hands.
> > Laser Field Repatterning
> > by Andreanna Rainville RN
> > Dr Klinghardt'nurse secretary Andreanna Rainville did a PowerPoint  
> > presentation that shows how to do laser restructuring by scanning  
> > the body, soles, ears etc. with a 5mw green laser.
> > http://andreannarainville.com/practical_uses.html
> >
> > Meridian Laser Technique Video
> > by Sandi Radomski ND www.allergyantidotes.com
> > Free DOWNLOAD Meridian Laser Technique DVD -- download for Windows &  
> > one for Macs - http://www.allergyantidotes.com/Thank_You.html
> >
> > I am not great at this protocol as I have only used it a couple of  
> > times so far and I have had to give myself 3 treatments before it  
> > took - I reacted to the wood the bed platform was made of for  
> > example and it took 3 treatments before I completely stopped  
> > reacting to it. However I have ordered a green laser and some vials  
> > to do the proper protocol. I also plan to use the green laser for  
> > detoxing.
> > Bioenergetic Testing and Laser Detoxification
> > http://www.holisticcancermd.com/led.htm
> >
> > Dr. Doug Phillips - Laser Energetic Detox
> > video is a very good demonstration by Dr Doug Phillips on a Laser  
> > Detox session
> > Laser Energetic Detoxification (LED) was first developed in 2001.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKnhFGQ6djM
> >
> > I have a friend whom has had a lot of success using the laser for  
> > allergies, chemicals, as well as detoxing --for herself, her husband  
> > as well as several of her friends.
> >
> > blessings
> > Shan
> >
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> The beds I mention can be organic and use talalay latex which is  
> made here in the states and is different from other latex. His  
> website explains further. He creates a custom bed based on your  
> body... None of the mattress are shipped without your body and  
> partners measurements. The website is and I make no financial gain  
> from recommending them.
> http://www.customsleepdesign.com/
>
> Sent from my iPad Paska
> "Faith is to believe what we do not see; and the reward of this  
> faith is to see what we believe."
> - Saint Augustine
>
>

> When I'm mentally ready to buy a new bed I'm going to buy an organic  
> cotton futon with a layer of wool on it. You might want to look into  
> something like that.
> I have fibro so I will most likey have to add a a cuddle ewe wool  
> cover to it or a simple foam cover like I have now (it off gases  
> pretty quickly andd smells like nothing after a few days-depending  
> on the brand you buy-don't go cheap and don't go tempurpedic)
> Steve
>
> --- In [hidden email], Esther LeSieur <gomma@...> wrote:
> >
> > Wow! Thanks for all the info and links! I did NAET for several years
> > in the late 1990's - early 2000's. I suspect I've lost all my
> > clearings by now. Hadn't heard about the laster techniques, etc.
> > Will have to explore everything you've posted when I can.
> >
> > Good to know the canopy is cotton. I've tried some EMF shielding
> > things w/ silver and poly fabric, and it seems to make my ES worse.
> >
> > In answer your question about my mattress problem, it aggravated an
> > old tailbone injury. The mattress was a Savvy Rest with three layers
> > of dunlop latex, and an organic cotton and wool casing that could be
> > zipped open to change the layer configuration. I ordered a medium-
> > soft-soft because I'd tried that combination out at a store and it
> > seemed firm enough. However, when I slept on it at home, I sank into
> > it and that aggravated my low back and tailbone (pain!). I exchanged
> > one soft layer for a firm layer, but it didn't help. Even just using
> > the firm and medium layers didn't work. To be fair, I realized  
> months
> > later that the fact that in preparation for delivery of the bed  
> frame
> > and mattress, I moved heavy stuff out of the bedroom and vacuumed
> > probably caused some of the low back/tailbone problem.
> >
> > The Saavy Rest website has a good explanation of the difference
> > between dunlop and talalay latex. I recall also reading somewhere
> > that the difference between the two types is like sponge cake vs.
> > angel food cake.
> >
> > I tried a different brand of latex bed at another store, and the
> > salesperson told me that having a stretchy organic cotton cover is
> > better because the latex can move/respond better.
> >
> > I also just plain didn't like the smell of latex. It doesn't go
> > away. I like the feel of an innerspring mattress because of the
> > "bounciness", but I'm afraid ES has eliminated that option for me.
> > The latex just didn't seem to be supportive in the places I needed  
> it
> > to be. I sank into it, rather than being supported by it.
> >
> > I'd suggest asking for samples to be sent to you to see if you can
> > tolerate the latex. If not, you could do clearings on the latex  
> before
> > you get the bed. Also, if you live somewhere there is a showroom for
> > any brand latex mattresses, you could try one out to get an idea  
> if it
> > would work for you.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Esther
> >
> >
> > On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:04 AM, bestsurprise2 wrote:
> >
> > > At the moment I have an ordinary Sears mattress - I bought it in
> > > 1980 -- which is more then 30 years old. No springs thank  
> goodness.
> > > I have been thinking of getting a new mattress for the last couple
> > > of years --but now I would need to get an organic wool/latex
> > > mattress. I am planning on applying for a grant next year to get  
> one.
> > > I have had MCS since 1988.
> > >
> > > How did the latex mattress harm your back? My doctor has MCS and  
> she
> > > likes the latex mattresses.
> > >
> > > Yes,the canopy smelled when I bought it -- not horribly but I have
> > > MCS and had to wash it --I washed it with a cup of baking soda
> > > dissolved in the water and hung it up to dry. But the one I bought
> > > is made of Swiss Shield "Naturell" material
> > > http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/RF/products_rf_fabric.htm
> > > which is all cotton except the metal woven in. I also gave  
> myself a
> > > laser treatment - it is a lot like a NAET treatment only one  
> uses a
> > > red or green laser over all the acupuncture points in the ear,
> > > bottom of feet and hands.
> > > Laser Field Repatterning
> > > by Andreanna Rainville RN
> > > Dr Klinghardt'nurse secretary Andreanna Rainville did a PowerPoint
> > > presentation that shows how to do laser restructuring by scanning
> > > the body, soles, ears etc. with a 5mw green laser.
> > > http://andreannarainville.com/practical_uses.html
> > >
> > > Meridian Laser Technique Video
> > > by Sandi Radomski ND www.allergyantidotes.com
> > > Free DOWNLOAD Meridian Laser Technique DVD -- download for  
> Windows &
> > > one for Macs - http://www.allergyantidotes.com/Thank_You.html
> > >
> > > I am not great at this protocol as I have only used it a couple of
> > > times so far and I have had to give myself 3 treatments before it
> > > took - I reacted to the wood the bed platform was made of for
> > > example and it took 3 treatments before I completely stopped
> > > reacting to it. However I have ordered a green laser and some  
> vials
> > > to do the proper protocol. I also plan to use the green laser for
> > > detoxing.
> > > Bioenergetic Testing and Laser Detoxification
> > > http://www.holisticcancermd.com/led.htm
> > >
> > > Dr. Doug Phillips - Laser Energetic Detox
> > > video is a very good demonstration by Dr Doug Phillips on a Laser
> > > Detox session
> > > Laser Energetic Detoxification (LED) was first developed in 2001.
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKnhFGQ6djM
> > >
> > > I have a friend whom has had a lot of success using the laser for
> > > allergies, chemicals, as well as detoxing --for herself, her  
> husband
> > > as well as several of her friends.
> > >
> > > blessings
> > > Shan
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> I tried an organic wool bed at a showroom.  It was very uncomfortable  
> for me, though I know you can buy latex strip to put on your wood  
> slats, and that might help.  Wool mattress compact over time, but the  
> problem is that they don't compact evenly, i.e. where you sleep on it  
> gets squished down more than  where you don't.  I also have a cuddle  
> ewe topped I used on my previous organic cotton/wool bed (w/  
> innersprings).  The first month it was like sleeping in a cloud.  
> After that, it compacted, but still was nice to have on top of the  
> mattress.  I put a latex topped under it, too, which helped.   I tried  
> it on top of the latex mattress, but because I sank into the mattress,  
> it didn't help with my body being in a bad position.
>
> Even if the synthetic foam sheet doesn't smell, it continues off-
> gassing toxic chemicals.  Same w/ the vinyl air mattress I'm currently  
> sleeping on, which is why I need to get something else.
>
> Blessings,
> Esther
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2012, at 2:20 PM, torch369 wrote:
>
> > When I'm mentally ready to buy a new bed I'm going to buy an organic  
> > cotton futon with a layer of wool on it. You might want to look into  
> > something like that.
> > I have fibro so I will most likey have to add a a cuddle ewe wool  
> > cover to it or a simple foam cover like I have now (it off gases  
> > pretty quickly andd smells like nothing after a few days-depending  
> > on the brand you buy-don't go cheap and don't go tempurpedic)
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Esther LeSieur <gomma@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Wow! Thanks for all the info and links! I did NAET for several years
> > > in the late 1990's - early 2000's. I suspect I've lost all my
> > > clearings by now. Hadn't heard about the laster techniques, etc.
> > > Will have to explore everything you've posted when I can.
> > >
> > > Good to know the canopy is cotton. I've tried some EMF shielding
> > > things w/ silver and poly fabric, and it seems to make my ES worse.
> > >
> > > In answer your question about my mattress problem, it aggravated an
> > > old tailbone injury. The mattress was a Savvy Rest with three layers
> > > of dunlop latex, and an organic cotton and wool casing that could be
> > > zipped open to change the layer configuration. I ordered a medium-
> > > soft-soft because I'd tried that combination out at a store and it
> > > seemed firm enough. However, when I slept on it at home, I sank into
> > > it and that aggravated my low back and tailbone (pain!). I exchanged
> > > one soft layer for a firm layer, but it didn't help. Even just using
> > > the firm and medium layers didn't work. To be fair, I realized  
> > months
> > > later that the fact that in preparation for delivery of the bed  
> > frame
> > > and mattress, I moved heavy stuff out of the bedroom and vacuumed
> > > probably caused some of the low back/tailbone problem.
> > >
> > > The Saavy Rest website has a good explanation of the difference
> > > between dunlop and talalay latex. I recall also reading somewhere
> > > that the difference between the two types is like sponge cake vs.
> > > angel food cake.
> > >
> > > I tried a different brand of latex bed at another store, and the
> > > salesperson told me that having a stretchy organic cotton cover is
> > > better because the latex can move/respond better.
> > >
> > > I also just plain didn't like the smell of latex. It doesn't go
> > > away. I like the feel of an innerspring mattress because of the
> > > "bounciness", but I'm afraid ES has eliminated that option for me.
> > > The latex just didn't seem to be supportive in the places I needed  
> > it
> > > to be. I sank into it, rather than being supported by it.
> > >
> > > I'd suggest asking for samples to be sent to you to see if you can
> > > tolerate the latex. If not, you could do clearings on the latex  
> > before
> > > you get the bed. Also, if you live somewhere there is a showroom for
> > > any brand latex mattresses, you could try one out to get an idea  
> > if it
> > > would work for you.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > Esther
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:04 AM, bestsurprise2 wrote:
> > >
> > > > At the moment I have an ordinary Sears mattress - I bought it in
> > > > 1980 -- which is more then 30 years old. No springs thank  
> > goodness.
> > > > I have been thinking of getting a new mattress for the last couple
> > > > of years --but now I would need to get an organic wool/latex
> > > > mattress. I am planning on applying for a grant next year to get  
> > one.
> > > > I have had MCS since 1988.
> > > >
> > > > How did the latex mattress harm your back? My doctor has MCS and  
> > she
> > > > likes the latex mattresses.
> > > >
> > > > Yes,the canopy smelled when I bought it -- not horribly but I have
> > > > MCS and had to wash it --I washed it with a cup of baking soda
> > > > dissolved in the water and hung it up to dry. But the one I bought
> > > > is made of Swiss Shield "Naturell" material
> > > > http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/RF/products_rf_fabric.htm
> > > > which is all cotton except the metal woven in. I also gave  
> > myself a
> > > > laser treatment - it is a lot like a NAET treatment only one  
> > uses a
> > > > red or green laser over all the acupuncture points in the ear,
> > > > bottom of feet and hands.
> > > > Laser Field Repatterning
> > > > by Andreanna Rainville RN
> > > > Dr Klinghardt'nurse secretary Andreanna Rainville did a PowerPoint
> > > > presentation that shows how to do laser restructuring by scanning
> > > > the body, soles, ears etc. with a 5mw green laser.
> > > > http://andreannarainville.com/practical_uses.html
> > > >
> > > > Meridian Laser Technique Video
> > > > by Sandi Radomski ND www.allergyantidotes.com
> > > > Free DOWNLOAD Meridian Laser Technique DVD -- download for  
> > Windows &
> > > > one for Macs - http://www.allergyantidotes.com/Thank_You.html
> > > >
> > > > I am not great at this protocol as I have only used it a couple of
> > > > times so far and I have had to give myself 3 treatments before it
> > > > took - I reacted to the wood the bed platform was made of for
> > > > example and it took 3 treatments before I completely stopped
> > > > reacting to it. However I have ordered a green laser and some  
> > vials
> > > > to do the proper protocol. I also plan to use the green laser for
> > > > detoxing.
> > > > Bioenergetic Testing and Laser Detoxification
> > > > http://www.holisticcancermd.com/led.htm
> > > >
> > > > Dr. Doug Phillips - Laser Energetic Detox
> > > > video is a very good demonstration by Dr Doug Phillips on a Laser
> > > > Detox session
> > > > Laser Energetic Detoxification (LED) was first developed in 2001.
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKnhFGQ6djM
> > > >
> > > > I have a friend whom has had a lot of success using the laser for
> > > > allergies, chemicals, as well as detoxing --for herself, her  
> > husband
> > > > as well as several of her friends.
> > > >
> > > > blessings
> > > > Shan
> > > >
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>      About 2 months ago I gave my metal bed frame to the Salvation Army and had a slatted wooden platform made for my mattress. But it sure is expensive even using plain standard wood. However I do sleep much better now. I didn't have any complaints with the metal frame -but this supports the mattress much better in my opinion.
>
>               blessings
>                    Shan
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "boysand2dogs" <presentlyhappy@> wrote:
> >
> > I recently met with a bed manufacturing company that has a unique bed made with no springs and they can determine which bed is right for you based on boby measurements and sleeping patterns.  I was impressed that there are no springs and thought of us ES folks.  Here is their website http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ and I was curious about what you all thought of or if you have found other solution?
> >
>

>
>      About 2 months ago I gave my metal bed frame to the Salvation Army and had a slatted wooden platform made for my mattress. But it sure is expensive even using plain standard wood. However I do sleep much better now. I didn't have any complaints with the metal frame -but this supports the mattress much better in my opinion.
>
>               blessings
>                    Shan
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "boysand2dogs" <presentlyhappy@> wrote:
> >
> > I recently met with a bed manufacturing company that has a unique bed made with no springs and they can determine which bed is right for you based on boby measurements and sleeping patterns.  I was impressed that there are no springs and thought of us ES folks.  Here is their website http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ and I was curious about what you all thought of or if you have found other solution?
> >
>

>
> I would happily spend any amount of money to get a good night's sleep
>
> I have a wooden frame bed and a memory foam mattress and still my be vibrates - worse some times than others - at times when it is at the worst it feels like the bed is going to lift off the ground the vibrations are so strong - would a canopy help with that do you think? (BTW like you I too had no problems with a metal frame bed until I became EHS and then it was like being slicked with an electric current while trying to sleep on it)
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2012, 2:28
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Beds for ES
>  
>
>  
> I didn't express myself very well - I did not have any issues with the metal frame in the past- not until I developed EMS did the metal frame cause any problems. I got a wooden bed platform because my bed was vibrating all night.  It felt like when a large truck goes by - the ground seems to vibrate, well my bed did that all night.
>
> Now I also have a canopy made from Swiss Shield Naturel and I sleep so deeply that if the house caught on fire I don't know if I would wake up. I know I haven't slept this well for at least 4 years.. Most nights I would  wake up at least 4 times a night, and I would be soaked from perspiration --now that does not happen anymore.
>
> I am not happy with how much I paid for the canopy --it was a total fluke and  I was just lucky that I happened to get the money for it - but I cannot argue how much better it is to get a decent night's sleep. But it annoys me - it would have been nice if I could have spent some of that money on something that I enjoyed.......
>
> blessings
> Shan
>
> --- In [hidden email], "bestsurprise2" <surpriseshan2@> wrote:
> >
> >      About 2 months ago I gave my metal bed frame to the Salvation Army and had a slatted wooden platform made for my mattress. But it sure is expensive even using plain standard wood. However I do sleep much better now. I didn't have any complaints with the metal frame -but this supports the mattress much better in my opinion.
> >
> >               blessings
> >                    Shan
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "boysand2dogs" <presentlyhappy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I recently met with a bed manufacturing company that has a unique bed made with no springs and they can determine which bed is right for you based on boby measurements and sleeping patterns.  I was impressed that there are no springs and thought of us ES folks.  Here is their website http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ and I was curious about what you all thought of or if you have found other solution?
> > >
> >
>
>
>  
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> I would happily spend any amount of money to get a good night's sleep
>
> I have a wooden frame bed and a memory foam mattress and still my be vibrates - worse some times than others - at times when it is at the worst it feels like the bed is going to lift off the ground the vibrations are so strong - would a canopy help with that do you think? (BTW like you I too had no problems with a metal frame bed until I became EHS and then it was like being slicked with an electric current while trying to sleep on it)
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2012, 2:28
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Beds for ES
>  
>
>  
> I didn't express myself very well - I did not have any issues with the metal frame in the past- not until I developed EMS did the metal frame cause any problems. I got a wooden bed platform because my bed was vibrating all night.  It felt like when a large truck goes by - the ground seems to vibrate, well my bed did that all night.
>
> Now I also have a canopy made from Swiss Shield Naturel and I sleep so deeply that if the house caught on fire I don't know if I would wake up. I know I haven't slept this well for at least 4 years.. Most nights I would  wake up at least 4 times a night, and I would be soaked from perspiration --now that does not happen anymore.
>
> I am not happy with how much I paid for the canopy --it was a total fluke and  I was just lucky that I happened to get the money for it - but I cannot argue how much better it is to get a decent night's sleep. But it annoys me - it would have been nice if I could have spent some of that money on something that I enjoyed.......
>
> blessings
> Shan
>
> --- In [hidden email], "bestsurprise2" <surpriseshan2@> wrote:
> >
> >      About 2 months ago I gave my metal bed frame to the Salvation Army and had a slatted wooden platform made for my mattress. But it sure is expensive even using plain standard wood. However I do sleep much better now. I didn't have any complaints with the metal frame -but this supports the mattress much better in my opinion.
> >
> >               blessings
> >                    Shan
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "boysand2dogs" <presentlyhappy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I recently met with a bed manufacturing company that has a unique bed made with no springs and they can determine which bed is right for you based on boby measurements and sleeping patterns.  I was impressed that there are no springs and thought of us ES folks.  Here is their website http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ and I was curious about what you all thought of or if you have found other solution?
> > >
> >
>
>
>  
>
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