Beds for ES

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> I guess I don't understand what you are all talking about
> when you are referring to "vibrating beds".  Is the bed
> actually moving?  That is, if you put a bowl of water on
> it, will you see ripples in the water from the movement?
> Or does it merely feel like the bed is vibrating, although
> is doesn't really seem to be?
>
> Marc
>

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> I would happily spend any amount of money to get a good night's sleep
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> I have a wooden frame bed and a memory foam mattress and still my be vibrates - worse some times than others - at times when it is at the worst it feels like the bed is going to lift off the ground the vibrations are so strong - would a canopy help with that do you think? (BTW like you I too had no problems with a metal frame bed until I became EHS and then it was like being slicked with an electric current while trying to sleep on it)
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> Steph
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> ________________________________
>  From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2012, 2:28
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Beds for ES
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>  
> I didn't express myself very well - I did not have any issues with the metal frame in the past- not until I developed EMS did the metal frame cause any problems. I got a wooden bed platform because my bed was vibrating all night.  It felt like when a large truck goes by - the ground seems to vibrate, well my bed did that all night.
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> Now I also have a canopy made from Swiss Shield Naturel and I sleep so deeply that if the house caught on fire I don't know if I would wake up. I know I haven't slept this well for at least 4 years.. Most nights I would  wake up at least 4 times a night, and I would be soaked from perspiration --now that does not happen anymore.
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> I am not happy with how much I paid for the canopy --it was a total fluke and  I was just lucky that I happened to get the money for it - but I cannot argue how much better it is to get a decent night's sleep. But it annoys me - it would have been nice if I could have spent some of that money on something that I enjoyed.......
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> blessings
> Shan
>
> --- In [hidden email], "bestsurprise2" <surpriseshan2@> wrote:
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> >      About 2 months ago I gave my metal bed frame to the Salvation Army and had a slatted wooden platform made for my mattress. But it sure is expensive even using plain standard wood. However I do sleep much better now. I didn't have any complaints with the metal frame -but this supports the mattress much better in my opinion.
> >
> >               blessings
> >                    Shan
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "boysand2dogs" <presentlyhappy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I recently met with a bed manufacturing company that has a unique bed made with no springs and they can determine which bed is right for you based on boby measurements and sleeping patterns.  I was impressed that there are no springs and thought of us ES folks.  Here is their website http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ and I was curious about what you all thought of or if you have found other solution?
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> > STEPHANIE AND SHAUN. I am intrigued to learn that you both
> > experience vibrating beds.  I do too, and I thought it must be
> > from some under ground work the Navy is doing all night here
> > in San Diego.  May I suggest that we catalogue what parts
> > of the country produce these vibrations?  If it isn't from an
> > electro-magnetic field, what else might it be?  
>
> I guess I don't understand what you are all talking about
> when you are referring to "vibrating beds".  Is the bed
> actually moving?  That is, if you put a bowl of water on
> it, will you see ripples in the water from the movement?
> Or does it merely feel like the bed is vibrating, although
> is doesn't really seem to be?
>
> Marc
>

>
> Hi, Marji, Shan, Bioboly.....
>
>
> I have done extensive experiments on my "vibrating" bed.... 
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> If I leave my washing machine plugged in and the dial in the "on" position, it alone can cause my bed to vibrate.  (Shan, this might be connected to your vibrating bed, re on the same circuit with your furnace.  Your furnace and washer really "should" be on separate circuits, code-wise.)  However, in my newer house (long story--couldn't sell the old one due to the economy, so I have 2 houses...), the original furnace there had digital frequencies which caused my bed to vibrate there, and the bed was a vinyl air mattress with no metal or springs!  So we bought a "floor furnace" without any digital, wireless, OR fan on it and I found the vibrating went away.  (Esther, I use a feather bed and an anti-allergenic zip-up cover on my vinyl air-mattress to make it more comfortable.  I like the old fashioned feather beds which have no pockets or channels in them.  You can then shake them periodically so they don't compact over time.)  
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> However, still there were/ are 4 hour intervals during which my bed +/or sofa and chairs vibrate (a different time every day, usually/with sometimes vacations of 2 or 3 weeks from this) which seems to be coming from outside my house--tho those freqs possibly also do ride on my house's electrics.  The only thing which helps this vibrating is 1) getting up on my feet and moving around, or 2) taking lots of B12, which seems to eliminate my ability to feel the vibrational frequencies.  (I think quercetin helps, too, as well as ubiquinol.)
>
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> What I found was there are many causes of the vibrating bed--too many to enumerate here.  All causes, tho, seemed to go back to 1) wireless freqs coming in from outside;  2)straight out vibrational freqs caused by trains and vehicles, etc; or 3) freqs riding on my houses' electrics from my own appliances or from electric line sources outside my house (often enough it has been from inside my house that if I feel vibrating now, I make rounds of my house to check for appliances or lights which might have been left on, or were left plugged in and do not have an "off", etc).
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> I know this because I pull a plug, and voila, no more vibrating; I turn off the circuits and, voila, no more vibrating; I take b12 and, voila, no more vibrating.....  I don't have vibrating 24/ 7.  There has been a distinguishable pattern.  I have not been able to identify the source(s) of the 4 hour intervals, only enough to know they are from outside--I can also feel them outside my house if I do not take all my supplements in a timely fashion or let my health slide.
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> Yet another source of vibrating was my fridge when it kicked on.  Another source of the vibrating bed was switch related--2 switches for the same light or lights on dimmers.  Lights on dimmers can cause it if they are in a dimmed position; lights with 2 switches can cause it when both switches are on "on" (but the light is off)--in other words, you turn the light on in one location and turn it off ("on") in the other location.  Also, I found double grounding rods (possibly done improperly) to cause this, and electric wires touching metal pipes to cause this. 
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>
> It really helps to know as much as possible about electrics and wiring and then check all the possible causes, but I started from scratch and kind of "intuited" it as I went along.  I was an electric dummy--and still have lots to learn now.  Many of you can do this if you try.  We are very aware of electrics without sometimes knowing it.  Our bodies are aware when wiring is not right.  Try one plug or switch at a time, lay down and feel whether you are still vibrating, and so on--give yourself enough time; sometimes I initially vibrate and it leaves after 3 or 4 minutes.  When you are starting out, try turning off the electric circuit breaker altogether.  How does that feel?  Take notes, write down all the variables and systematically go thru your list.  Unplug everything unpluggable and see how that feels.  If you have your electric circuits off and still feel vibrating, you are likely dealing with wireless from meters or towers, or sources
>  from neighbors coming in on your electric lines, water pipes, or gas pipes (possibly tv cable, etc.); but occasionally you can be reacting to something with an antenna or chip on/ in it inside your house.  
>
> As to the supplements...  they will only work for you when you have gotten to a certain level in your immune health.  There is basic healing which you have to accomplish before B12 is going to work for you (I took B12 for years and still had vibrating.  It wasn't until a homeopath successfully detoxed my bone marrow that I started to see help for the vibrations with B12.)
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> I am not saying it is not possible for some to be reacting to Naval installations, but it is much more likely the source of your vibrations are closer to home.  ;)
>
> Good luck; I hope you find the sources of your vibrating easily,
> Diane
>
>  
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> ________________________________
>  From: Marjij <marjij@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 5:12 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Vibrating Beds
>  
>
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> > I am in Michigan, and there
> > is supposed to be a us navy underground
> >
> > "Radar" system going between
> > MI and Ohio.)
> > this past year.
>
> > I will try to find the source
> > where I read of this.
>
> LIZZIE, yes, do try to find the source.  This is alarming. Robert Becker in his book, "The Body Is Electric," talked about the Navy's signal system that was designed to contack submarines when they are under water. The only signal that can reach them is a very low frequency signal, and they sent it over land on it's way to the subs in the Pacific.  Robert Becker won a legal decision that it was affecting the residents who lived in the area beneath the signal.  I don't recall if the signal was sent through the air or through the ground, but it was definitely causing health problems.
>
> If they are doing it again, they are breaking the law, but, what else is new?  Anyway, if this is what you suspect is causing your vibrations you may have hit on a seriously dangerous environmental hazard.  Something to bring to the attention of your local government... hahaha... I don't mean to make light of this. Just a bit cynical... but this will affect everybody in the area though they may not "feel" it, being not as sensitive as you.  But their bodies will be affected.
>
> Marji 
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> Hi, Marji, Shan, Bioboly.....
>
> I have done extensive experiments on my "vibrating" bed....
>
> If I leave my washing machine plugged in and the dial in the "on"  
> position, it alone can cause my bed to vibrate.  (Shan, this might  
> be connected to your vibrating bed, re on the same circuit with your  
> furnace.  Your furnace and washer really "should" be on separate  
> circuits, code-wise.)  However, in my newer house (long story--
> couldn't sell the old one due to the economy, so I have 2  
> houses...), the original furnace there had digital frequencies which  
> caused my bed to vibrate there, and the bed was a vinyl air mattress  
> with no metal or springs!  So we bought a "floor furnace" without  
> any digital, wireless, OR fan on it and I found the vibrating went  
> away.  (Esther, I use a feather bed and an anti-allergenic zip-up  
> cover on my vinyl air-mattress to make it more comfortable.  I like  
> the old fashioned feather beds which have no pockets or channels in  
> them.  You can then shake them periodically so they don't compact  
> over time.)
>
> However, still there were/ are 4 hour intervals during which my bed  
> +/or sofa and chairs vibrate (a different time every day, usually/
> with sometimes vacations of 2 or 3 weeks from this) which seems to  
> be coming from outside my house--tho those freqs possibly also do  
> ride on my house's electrics.  The only thing which helps this  
> vibrating is 1) getting up on my feet and moving around, or 2)  
> taking lots of B12, which seems to eliminate my ability to feel the  
> vibrational frequencies.  (I think quercetin helps, too, as well as  
> ubiquinol.)
>
> What I found was there are many causes of the vibrating bed--too  
> many to enumerate here.  All causes, tho, seemed to go back to 1)  
> wireless freqs coming in from outside;  2)straight out vibrational  
> freqs caused by trains and vehicles, etc; or 3) freqs riding on my  
> houses' electrics from my own appliances or from electric line  
> sources outside my house (often enough it has been from inside my  
> house that if I feel vibrating now, I make rounds of my house to  
> check for appliances or lights which might have been left on, or  
> were left plugged in and do not have an "off", etc).
>
> I know this because I pull a plug, and voila, no more vibrating; I  
> turn off the circuits and, voila, no more vibrating; I take b12 and,  
> voila, no more vibrating.....  I don't have vibrating 24/ 7.  There  
> has been a distinguishable pattern.  I have not been able to  
> identify the source(s) of the 4 hour intervals, only enough to know  
> they are from outside--I can also feel them outside my house if I do  
> not take all my supplements in a timely fashion or let my health  
> slide.
>
> Yet another source of vibrating was my fridge when it kicked on.  
> Another source of the vibrating bed was switch related--2 switches  
> for the same light or lights on dimmers.  Lights on dimmers can  
> cause it if they are in a dimmed position; lights with 2 switches  
> can cause it when both switches are on "on" (but the light is off)--
> in other words, you turn the light on in one location and turn it  
> off ("on") in the other location.  Also, I found double grounding  
> rods (possibly done improperly) to cause this, and electric wires  
> touching metal pipes to cause this.
>
> It really helps to know as much as possible about electrics and  
> wiring and then check all the possible causes, but I started from  
> scratch and kind of "intuited" it as I went along.  I was an  
> electric dummy--and still have lots to learn now.  Many of you can  
> do this if you try.  We are very aware of electrics without  
> sometimes knowing it.  Our bodies are aware when wiring is not  
> right.  Try one plug or switch at a time, lay down and feel whether  
> you are still vibrating, and so on--give yourself enough time;  
> sometimes I initially vibrate and it leaves after 3 or 4 minutes.  
> When you are starting out, try turning off the electric circuit  
> breaker altogether.  How does that feel?  Take notes, write down all  
> the variables and systematically go thru your list.  Unplug  
> everything unpluggable and see how that feels.  If you have your  
> electric circuits off and still feel vibrating, you are likely  
> dealing with wireless from meters or towers, or sources
> from neighbors coming in on your electric lines, water pipes, or gas  
> pipes (possibly tv cable, etc.); but occasionally you can be  
> reacting to something with an antenna or chip on/ in it inside your  
> house.
>
> As to the supplements...  they will only work for you when you have  
> gotten to a certain level in your immune health.  There is basic  
> healing which you have to accomplish before B12 is going to work for  
> you (I took B12 for years and still had vibrating.  It wasn't until  
> a homeopath successfully detoxed my bone marrow that I started to  
> see help for the vibrations with B12.)
>
> I am not saying it is not possible for some to be reacting to Naval  
> installations, but it is much more likely the source of your  
> vibrations are closer to home.  ;)
>
> Good luck; I hope you find the sources of your vibrating easily,
> Diane
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Marjij <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 5:12 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Vibrating Beds
>
>
> > I am in Michigan, and there
> > is supposed to be a us navy underground
> >
> > "Radar" system going between
> > MI and Ohio.)
> > this past year.
>
> > I will try to find the source
> > where I read of this.
>
> LIZZIE, yes, do try to find the source.  This is alarming. Robert  
> Becker in his book, "The Body Is Electric," talked about the Navy's  
> signal system that was designed to contack submarines when they are  
> under water. The only signal that can reach them is a very low  
> frequency signal, and they sent it over land on it's way to the subs  
> in the Pacific.  Robert Becker won a legal decision that it was  
> affecting the residents who lived in the area beneath the signal.  I  
> don't recall if the signal was sent through the air or through the  
> ground, but it was definitely causing health problems.
>
> If they are doing it again, they are breaking the law, but, what  
> else is new?  Anyway, if this is what you suspect is causing your  
> vibrations you may have hit on a seriously dangerous environmental  
> hazard.  Something to bring to the attention of your local  
> government... hahaha... I don't mean to make light of this. Just a  
> bit cynical... but this will affect everybody in the area though  
> they may not "feel" it, being not as sensitive as you.  But their  
> bodies will be affected.
>
> Marji
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>

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> Back when I had Fibromyalgia I slept on a traditional mattress with metal springs...
> about 5 years ago I got a nice cotton futon and have it on a wood futon frame... now I sleep like a baby and do NOT wake up several times during the night thinking the bed is moving... or I am...
> And I had 17 amalgams and 2 nickel crowns replaced, plus detoxed from 22 years as a welder... HAPPY to say NO MORE FIBRO and I have a quality of life back that I never expected to feel... it's AWESOME!
> Green smoothies with swiss chard and/or kale from my garden every morning has also helped me entire body FEEL better and my hair is growing back in darker now too!
>
> Jan Jenson
> central NC
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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> A welder, wow, you had metal to detox. Curious how is your eyesight?
> Just wondering from hearing of another welder in the past with some troubles, though some of that is probably from the light as well.
>
> I may have missed a mention in this thread, but tectonic movement could also be a part of the beds vibrating. I'm on a wooden platform,
> with no springs, and at times still get lots of vibration, I feel
> coming through the ground.
>
> Sometimes I feel it in the air, which usually then is also making my legs or feet vibrate also, but it here it's usually from the ground.
> I feel it move north/south, or east/west, or up/down.
>
> I found a website somewhere that actually has monitors in our area, and shows just those things happening, so I know that at least some of the time, that is exactly what I'm feeling.
>
> There have been times though, that as someone mentioned, I am sure there is sonar or tunneling or who knows what going on, because it
> feels different.
>
> If it isn't too bothersome other than just vibrating the bed and not you, maybe just try and relax into it, sometimes that helps, so you can get to sleep.
>
> ~ Snoshoe
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Jan Jenson <jan.jenson@> wrote:
> >
> > Back when I had Fibromyalgia I slept on a traditional mattress with metal springs...
> > about 5 years ago I got a nice cotton futon and have it on a wood futon frame... now I sleep like a baby and do NOT wake up several times during the night thinking the bed is moving... or I am...
> > And I had 17 amalgams and 2 nickel crowns replaced, plus detoxed from 22 years as a welder... HAPPY to say NO MORE FIBRO and I have a quality of life back that I never expected to feel... it's AWESOME!
> > Green smoothies with swiss chard and/or kale from my garden every morning has also helped me entire body FEEL better and my hair is growing back in darker now too!
> >
> > Jan Jenson
> > central NC
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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> Does anyone ever feel like it is their body vibrating?
> That's what it felt like to me when I first noticed it.
> And something I read also at the time lent credence to that.
> Now I have no clue where to find what I read.
>
> Also there are those infernal wind farms causing all kinds of problems for people, including vibrations. The Elkhorn Wind Farm is about 20 miles north of here and sometimes I think that's what it is. And then there is the train ... and you can hear when that thing is laying on it's whistle all the way through town.
>
> Sometimes there is a low pitched rrrrRRRR, rrrrRRRR, rrrrRRRR sound, which I also wondered if it was the wind farm, so I just have white noise going almost every night.
>
> Karen
>
> --- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@> wrote:
> >
> > A welder, wow, you had metal to detox. Curious how is your eyesight?
> > Just wondering from hearing of another welder in the past with some troubles, though some of that is probably from the light as well.
> >
> > I may have missed a mention in this thread, but tectonic movement could also be a part of the beds vibrating. I'm on a wooden platform,
> > with no springs, and at times still get lots of vibration, I feel
> > coming through the ground.
> >
> > Sometimes I feel it in the air, which usually then is also making my legs or feet vibrate also, but it here it's usually from the ground.
> > I feel it move north/south, or east/west, or up/down.
> >
> > I found a website somewhere that actually has monitors in our area, and shows just those things happening, so I know that at least some of the time, that is exactly what I'm feeling.
> >
> > There have been times though, that as someone mentioned, I am sure there is sonar or tunneling or who knows what going on, because it
> > feels different.
> >
> > If it isn't too bothersome other than just vibrating the bed and not you, maybe just try and relax into it, sometimes that helps, so you can get to sleep.
> >
> > ~ Snoshoe
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Jan Jenson <jan.jenson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Back when I had Fibromyalgia I slept on a traditional mattress with metal springs...
> > > about 5 years ago I got a nice cotton futon and have it on a wood futon frame... now I sleep like a baby and do NOT wake up several times during the night thinking the bed is moving... or I am...
> > > And I had 17 amalgams and 2 nickel crowns replaced, plus detoxed from 22 years as a welder... HAPPY to say NO MORE FIBRO and I have a quality of life back that I never expected to feel... it's AWESOME!
> > > Green smoothies with swiss chard and/or kale from my garden every morning has also helped me entire body FEEL better and my hair is growing back in darker now too!
> > >
> > > Jan Jenson
> > > central NC
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>