Beds for ES

Karen, Yes I feel my body vibrating if I get close to smart meters, wi-fi, cell towers, etc. Feel the pulses.

I don't know for sure, but you could be hearing the wind farm. Wind farms do produce electricity. I don't know how far the emf's from them can travel.

Have you tried driving closer maybe w/n 10 miles  & seeing if the noise gets louder?

Might give you the answer.

Kathy



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      Does anyone ever feel like it is their body vibrating?

That's what it felt like to me when I first noticed it.

And something I read also at the time lent credence to that.

Now I have no clue where to find what I read.



Also there are those infernal wind farms causing all kinds of problems for people, including vibrations. The Elkhorn Wind Farm is about 20 miles north of here and sometimes I think that's what it is. And then there is the train ... and you can hear when that thing is laying on it's whistle all the way through town.



Sometimes there is a low pitched rrrrRRRR, rrrrRRRR, rrrrRRRR sound, which I also wondered if it was the wind farm, so I just have white noise going almost every night.



Karen



--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

>

> A welder, wow, you had metal to detox. Curious how is your eyesight?

> Just wondering from hearing of another welder in the past with some troubles, though some of that is probably from the light as well.

>

> I may have missed a mention in this thread, but tectonic movement could also be a part of the beds vibrating. I'm on a wooden platform,

> with no springs, and at times still get lots of vibration, I feel

> coming through the ground.

>

> Sometimes I feel it in the air, which usually then is also making my legs or feet vibrate also, but it here it's usually from the ground.

> I feel it move north/south, or east/west, or up/down.

>

> I found a website somewhere that actually has monitors in our area, and shows just those things happening, so I know that at least some of the time, that is exactly what I'm feeling.

>

> There have been times though, that as someone mentioned, I am sure there is sonar or tunneling or who knows what going on, because it

> feels different.

>

> If it isn't too bothersome other than just vibrating the bed and not you, maybe just try and relax into it, sometimes that helps, so you can get to sleep.

>

> ~ Snoshoe

>

>

> --- In [hidden email], Jan Jenson <jan.jenson@> wrote:

> >

> > Back when I had Fibromyalgia I slept on a traditional mattress with metal springs...

> > about 5 years ago I got a nice cotton futon and have it on a wood futon frame... now I sleep like a baby and do NOT wake up several times during the night thinking the bed is moving... or I am...

> > And I had 17 amalgams and 2 nickel crowns replaced, plus detoxed from 22 years as a welder... HAPPY to say NO MORE FIBRO and I have a quality of life back that I never expected to feel... it's AWESOME!

> > Green smoothies with swiss chard and/or kale from my garden every morning has also helped me entire body FEEL better and my hair is growing back in darker now too!

> >

> > Jan Jenson

> > central NC

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> >

>





   
     

   
   






 










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Marji,

I am in St. Louis Mo.

 I feel it on the floors & know we have issues w electric. Metal touching metal on the basement rafters, transferring the charge.

Our 1st flour is built too close to the ground. Other houses, has a higher foundations. I feel more movement ion floors in any building w aluminum wiring.

 I think  RF from smart meters is riding it.

I also wondered about Schumann Resonances  Or  geopathic stress.

 Added to net current from the ground electric transformer behind our neighbor's yard.

We have wiring issues.  My case is also feeling the electric running from the aluminum wiring. I understand it doesn't ground well & swells while in use.

A lot of possibilities. Those who can swing, it monetarily may find out the main culprit & the rest of the layers.

Kathy

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Karen, Jan, Snowshoe, Shaun, and others... please indicate where you are located again.  I am going to do a map... if this has anything to do with underground work, or if it's techtonic movement, we might learn something.  This is really an interesting phenomenon, even though it may be dangerous to us.  Thanks, hope this will be of interest to you too.



Marji





   
     

   
   






 










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Marji,

I  forgot. I was up late the other night & heard a roar w more vibrating.  I've never head before. off in the distance.  I wondered if it was in oncoming earthquake

 It stopped after 15 mins or so., have no idea what it was.

 We had a minor quake a few years ago.The roar sounded similar to the start of that one. Nothing shook & it stopped

Kathy



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HI Marji,I'm in MIchigan. By the way, does anyone with the shaking bed syndrome also happen to have a house with "echoes?" Lizzie
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Karen, Jan, Snowshoe, Shaun, and others... please indicate where you are located again.  I am going to do a map... if this has anything to do with underground work, or if it's techtonic movement, we might learn something.  This is really an interesting phenomenon, even though it may be dangerous to us.  Thanks, hope this will be of interest to you too.



Marji





   
     

   
   






       

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Which nite was that?8-11-12.TWO earthquakes 6.3 and 6.4 in Iran, and then another big one in China. 727-12, THREEearthquakes all over 5 on richter scale I always FEEL earthquakes if over 5....not necessary vibrating bed,just in the energies they put out. Lizzie
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      Marji,



I  forgot. I was up late the other night & heard a roar w more vibrating.  I've never head before. off in the distance.  I wondered if it was in oncoming earthquake



 It stopped after 15 mins or so., have no idea what it was.



 We had a minor quake a few years ago.The roar sounded similar to the start of that one. Nothing shook & it stopped



Kathy



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I live in the boondocks of Eastern Oregon - Baker City.
At one point I decided the vibrating was earthquakes.
It happens rather sporadically.
At the beginning of this discussion I went and laid down on my bed, and the only thing that happened was a nice long nap.

This is one of the places where they are attempting to close numerous mountain roads to motorized vehicles.

Karen

--- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@...> wrote:
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>
> Karen, Jan, Snowshoe, Shaun, and others... please indicate where you are located again.  I am going to do a map... if this has anything to do with underground work, or if it's techtonic movement, we might learn something.  This is really an interesting phenomenon, even though it may be dangerous to us.  Thanks, hope this will be of interest to you too.
>
> Marji
>

Yes, I have heard that these feelings are from withdrawal from many drugs. That's why I wont take the chance of antidepressants.  The doctors don't seem to want to discuss  how to stop these drugs.People have to be tapered off gently. Never cold turkey.
Aimee

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Karen,

Yes, I feel my bed vibrating, every chair, etc. . My never endings are hypersensitive from quitting benzodiazapene drugs. So, I am reacting more than some of you. I feel pressure & pulses near towers  Feels like little needles sticking.

 I have improved but have a way to go.

Kathy

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        In several studies that I have read  the human body has been described as an antennae for the cell tower and smart meter frequencies - they said this was because the body is 70% water.

   And if this is true, then my  understanding is that it is certainly possible for the frequencies to cause the body to vibrate, literally.



This has not been my experience though -- at least as far as I know. The frequencies seem to strongly effect my balance, and now most of the time I am at home, my balance is very poor so I am not sure I would notice if my body was vibrating or not.



blessings

                 Shan



--- In [hidden email], "Karen" <kareneck@...> wrote:

>

> Does anyone ever feel like it is their body vibrating?

> That's what it felt like to me when I first noticed it.

> And something I read also at the time lent credence to that.

> Now I have no clue where to find what I read.

>

> Also there are those infernal wind farms causing all kinds of problems for people, including vibrations. The Elkhorn Wind Farm is about 20 miles north of here and sometimes I think that's what it is. And then there is the train ... and you can hear when that thing is laying on it's whistle all the way through town.

>

> Sometimes there is a low pitched rrrrRRRR, rrrrRRRR, rrrrRRRR sound, which I also wondered if it was the wind farm, so I just have white noise going almost every night.

>

> Karen

>

> --- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@> wrote:

> >

> > A welder, wow, you had metal to detox. Curious how is your eyesight?

> > Just wondering from hearing of another welder in the past with some troubles, though some of that is probably from the light as well.

> >

> > I may have missed a mention in this thread, but tectonic movement could also be a part of the beds vibrating. I'm on a wooden platform,

> > with no springs, and at times still get lots of vibration, I feel

> > coming through the ground.

> >

> > Sometimes I feel it in the air, which usually then is also making my legs or feet vibrate also, but it here it's usually from the ground.

> > I feel it move north/south, or east/west, or up/down.

> >

> > I found a website somewhere that actually has monitors in our area, and shows just those things happening, so I know that at least some of the time, that is exactly what I'm feeling.

> >

> > There have been times though, that as someone mentioned, I am sure there is sonar or tunneling or who knows what going on, because it

> > feels different.

> >

> > If it isn't too bothersome other than just vibrating the bed and not you, maybe just try and relax into it, sometimes that helps, so you can get to sleep.

> >

> > ~ Snoshoe

> >

> >

> > --- In [hidden email], Jan Jenson <jan.jenson@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Back when I had Fibromyalgia I slept on a traditional mattress with metal springs...

> > > about 5 years ago I got a nice cotton futon and have it on a wood futon frame... now I sleep like a baby and do NOT wake up several times during the night thinking the bed is moving... or I am...

> > > And I had 17 amalgams and 2 nickel crowns replaced, plus detoxed from 22 years as a welder... HAPPY to say NO MORE FIBRO and I have a quality of life back that I never expected to feel... it's AWESOME!

> > > Green smoothies with swiss chard and/or kale from my garden every morning has also helped me entire body FEEL better and my hair is growing back in darker now too!

> > >

> > > Jan Jenson

> > > central NC

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > >

> >

>





   
     

   
   






 










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  Have you ever tried blue light for depression? I have not tried it as of yet but am told by those that have that it is very effective. The blue light devices for SAD [Seasonal Affective Disorder]also effect mood and are used by some for that purpose as well as to correct insomnia.

Low Intensity 'Blue Light' Treatment of Seasonal Affective Disorder
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Summary
One of the most frequently investigated hypothesis of the pathophysiology underlyingSeasonal Affective Disorder(SAD) or so called winter depression is a disturbance of circadian rhythms. Since the circadian system is especially sensitive for the blue portion
of the light spectrum, a new light therapy device with more blue light (blue enriched polychromatic light) was tested for its efficacy to treat SAD. In chronobiological terms this light is hypothesized to be more potent in inducing non-visual effects. In the present
study fluorescent tubes that emit a high portion of short wavelength light on top of the normal wavelengths are tested for its superiority in treating SAD. This blue-enriched light (colour temperature 17000 ºK) is compared to standard light treatment (5000 º K) in SAD patients.,In a earlier study it was shown that the therapeutic effect of blue enriched light were equal to standard light treatment using light in both conditions with an intensity of 10 000 lux. In the present study, blue enriched light with an intensity of 750 lux was used, because of the possible saturation effect in the former study. The investigators hypothesise that blue- enriched light with a low intensity improve the therapeutic effects of light treatment leading to a higher response or the same response in a shorter time schedule
compared to standard light treatment.
http://www.bioportfolio.com/resources/trial/63578/Low-Intensity-blue-Light-Treatment-Of-Seasonal-Affective-Disorder.html

    I am planing on buying some lasers with blue and/or blue-violet light and beaming them into my ears -this should also work to effect moods and sleep.

The Finnish Valkee is Sci-Fi style device which literally shines light into your ear canals. Your wear it like a set of headphones on a music player.
Because Valkee shines light directly onto photo-sensitive areas of the brain the treatment is both quicker and more effective. The ear canal is a more effective route to deliver light to the brain than
the eye. More effective than traditional sad lamps and sad lights.
In one clinical trial 92% of severely depressed seasonal affective disorder (also known as `winter blues') patients experienced total symptoms relief in 4 weeks with 8-12 minutes of bright light via their ear canal each day.
Video  - Seasonal Affective Disorder
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                        blessings
                          Shan



--- In [hidden email], Aimee <ohkanaduh@...> wrote:

MIght help to check the earthquakes websites AFTER feeling especially strong vibrations.I have found every time I have such conditions, there has always been an earthquake, or in the case of 7-27-12, there were three.And in the case of 8-11-12, there were TWO in Iran, and one in same 30 hr period in China,ALL of these earthquakes over FIVE on the richter scale.I have also found these are the ONLY times I get a severe charley horse cramp in my leg. Lizzie
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      I live in the boondocks of Eastern Oregon - Baker City.

At one point I decided the vibrating was earthquakes.

It happens rather sporadically.

At the beginning of this discussion I went and laid down on my bed, and the only thing that happened was a nice long nap.



This is one of the places where they are attempting to close numerous mountain roads to motorized vehicles.



Karen



--- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@...> wrote:

>

>

> Karen, Jan, Snowshoe, Shaun, and others... please indicate where you are located again.  I am going to do a map... if this has anything to do with underground work, or if it's techtonic movement, we might learn something.  This is really an interesting phenomenon, even though it may be dangerous to us.  Thanks, hope this will be of interest to you too.

>

> Marji

>





   
     

   
   






       

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I am in NW Montana,
Karen, yes my body vibrates sometimes too, though it isn't
happening so often as it did the past couple years.

The bed has also been more "quiet" too, so there does
seem to be some connection, because in bed was about
the only time I recall that my feet/legs would vibrate.

Chest and head can happen about anywhere there's the "right"
frequencies.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Marjij" <marjij@...> wrote:
>
>
> Karen, Jan, Snowshoe, Shaun, and others... please indicate where you are located again.  I am going to do a map... if this has anything to do with underground work, or if it's techtonic movement, we might learn something.  This is really an interesting phenomenon, even though it may be dangerous to us.  Thanks, hope this will be of interest to you too.
>
> Marji
>

I've done that in the past too.
Before I became ES, or ES as a problem anyway, I use to feel earthquakes
like a change in feeling coming up from the ground, even from over in Japan, etc. That was 20+ years ago. I'd feel that and think "oh, there's an earthquake somewhere", and it always was.

I don't notice them so much now, except the localized stuff, which can be a few hr. drive away, even small magnitude, or maybe I can't differentiate so well now, as with other wireless
tech. either, because there is so much smog from all of it, it's a bit like a muddy bog now.

There is a free windows download program Earthquake 3-D www.wolton.net/quake.html or from cnet that is nice to see just how
many/ magnitude/ location over a selected number of days, that might
be helpful to some people who want to keep an eye this. Remember that
not all quakes are necessarily reported, but they have most.

Something else that might seem a bit bizzare, but since we've been
talking about this, and magnetic fields on here lately, I'll throw it in.

Another thing some of you may feel when it feels like a jolt or burst,
but doesn't keep up is meteor impacts, and also bombs/missles being
exploded.   I've only felt larger meteors when they enter the atmosphere, not aware of smaller ones, and I couldn't tell you what size of missles, except they were big enough to make the news a half hour after I felt them, when we first started really dropping them.

I've felt for a number of years when we were bombing over in Iraq etc., a shockwave to the head that isn't pleasant. Telling a couple friends of it, they of course didn't believe me until they saw my report of it lining up exactly with what would be on the news later often enough.

One more thing, I never got sick from feeling the earthquakes getting ready to/happening like some do, but there is an area here with some kind of radar or other wireless that comes through, causes radio interference, and it's got to have vlf or similar frequency also, because when I go out walking, and then come back, feeling good, I have to pass through to get home, and at times it has made me instantly, extremely nauseated, to where I also feel sick, and barely get back to the house before vomiting, and then I'm fine again. Always hits at the same place. I've never felt it going out, but I think it's because the tension is already always high in the body, and it's closer to the house. After going out walking and getting grounded/degaussed etc. I feel really good, unless whatever it is, is active at the time, then whammo.

~ Snoshoe

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The word "empath" comes to me, on the feeling/picking up missiles, ect. Also the nausea when passing thru that area. Bad vibes maybe? I mean, really bad, like imprints. Lizzie
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      I've done that in the past too.

Before I became ES, or ES as a problem anyway, I use to feel earthquakes

like a change in feeling coming up from the ground, even from over in Japan, etc. That was 20+ years ago. I'd feel that and think "oh, there's an earthquake somewhere", and it always was.



I don't notice them so much now, except the localized stuff, which can be a few hr. drive away, even small magnitude, or maybe I can't differentiate so well now, as with other wireless

tech. either, because there is so much smog from all of it, it's a bit like a muddy bog now.



There is a free windows download program Earthquake 3-D www.wolton.net/quake.html or from cnet that is nice to see just how

many/ magnitude/ location over a selected number of days, that might

be helpful to some people who want to keep an eye this. Remember that

not all quakes are necessarily reported, but they have most.



Something else that might seem a bit bizzare, but since we've been

talking about this, and magnetic fields on here lately, I'll throw it in.



Another thing some of you may feel when it feels like a jolt or burst,

but doesn't keep up is meteor impacts, and also bombs/missles being

exploded.   I've only felt larger meteors when they enter the atmosphere, not aware of smaller ones, and I couldn't tell you what size of missles, except they were big enough to make the news a half hour after I felt them, when we first started really dropping them.



I've felt for a number of years when we were bombing over in Iraq etc., a shockwave to the head that isn't pleasant. Telling a couple friends of it, they of course didn't believe me until they saw my report of it lining up exactly with what would be on the news later often enough.



One more thing, I never got sick from feeling the earthquakes getting ready to/happening like some do, but there is an area here with some kind of radar or other wireless that comes through, causes radio interference, and it's got to have vlf or similar frequency also, because when I go out walking, and then come back, feeling good, I have to pass through to get home, and at times it has made me instantly, extremely nauseated, to where I also feel sick, and barely get back to the house before vomiting, and then I'm fine again. Always hits at the same place. I've never felt it going out, but I think it's because the tension is already always high in the body, and it's closer to the house. After going out walking and getting grounded/degaussed etc. I feel really good, unless whatever it is, is active at the time, then whammo.



~ Snoshoe



--- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:

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>

> MIght help to check the earthquakes websites AFTER feeling especially strong vibrations.I have found every time I have such conditions, there has always been an earthquake, or in the case of 7-27-12, there were three.And in the case of 8-11-12, there were TWO in Iran, and one in same 30 hr period in China,ALL of these earthquakes over FIVE on the richter scale.I have also found these are the ONLY times I get a severe charley horse cramp in my leg. Lizzie

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> From: kareneck@...

> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:15:38 +0000

> Subject: [eSens] Re: Vibrating Beds

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Hi,
I don't think so, on these anyway.  The VLF is known to cause nausea
in people, hence our less/"non"lethal weapons.
On the shockwaves, they cause disturbance through the air, like say an event in Japan can cause big waves in Hawaii, or quake waves going through the ground, people having achiness when the barometric pressure changes because the magnetic field is being disturbed.  I think it's more like there is "A Disturbance in the Force" lolll.

~ Snoshoe

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>
> The word "empath" comes to me, on the feeling/picking up missiles, ect. Also the nausea when passing thru that area. Bad vibes maybe? I mean, really bad, like imprints. Lizzie

Long time is right Ada - in short things with me are not great - literally every week some utility or other [the water co, the electric co, the gas co] is digging up the road for some reason or other and each time they do so my ES is dreadful - I would move if I could but that isn't feasible for the time being - it seems like I am getting dirty elec in to the house from the water and gas pipework most likely. I'd give anything for some sort of device which would ameliorate if a bit.

I went gluten free and dairy free for a year but over the last month or so I have gone back on the dairy a bit because of calcium needs and wonder if the reintroduction of dairy has anything to do with things - am going to need to do an elimination trial to see what happens.

How are you doing? are you in the uk or abroad? and where and when has your ES been the best and the worst??

best

Steph


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Steph, long time! How are things?

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I would happily spend any amount of money to get a good night's sleep

I have a wooden frame bed and a memory foam mattress and still my be vibrates - worse some times than others - at times when it is at the worst it feels like the bed is going to lift off the ground the vibrations are so strong - would a canopy help with that do you think? (BTW like you I too had no problems with a metal frame bed until I became EHS and then it was like being slicked with an electric current while trying to sleep on it)

Steph

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Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2012, 2:28
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I didn't express myself very well - I did not have any issues with the metal frame in the past- not until I developed EMS did the metal frame cause any problems. I got a wooden bed platform because my bed was vibrating all night.  It felt like when a large truck goes by - the ground seems to vibrate, well my bed did that all night.

Now I also have a canopy made from Swiss Shield Naturel and I sleep so deeply that if the house caught on fire I don't know if I would wake up. I know I haven't slept this well for at least 4 years.. Most nights I would  wake up at least 4 times a night, and I would be soaked from perspiration --now that does not happen anymore.

I am not happy with how much I paid for the canopy --it was a total fluke and  I was just lucky that I happened to get the money for it - but I cannot argue how much better it is to get a decent night's sleep. But it annoys me - it would have been nice if I could have spent some of that money on something that I enjoyed.......

blessings
Shan

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thanks Shan


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Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2012, 23:47
Subject: [eSens] Re: Beds for ES
 

 
Whether it would help you and how much depends on what frequencies are causing the bed to vibrate -- do you have any idea? If smear meters were on the other side of your bedroom wall, it would be a pretty good bed that it was them but unless you have truly good idea, it is a lot of money to spend especially if it does not help. That was why I put out the money to get somebody who can test for the different kinds of frequencies, in particular dirty electricity, RF and microwave radiation, plus electromagnetic fields. It was annoying  putting out the money just to get my house tested, but it would be pretty terrible to pay  lots of money for things that did not help at all. At least I now know what my problems are  which is a giant step in my perception to knowing what to do or buy etc to remedy my situation.

If your problem is RF or Microwave Radiation them the material that my canopy would help you but unless you wouldn't miss that much money if the problem was something else. I would not spend that kind of money unless I was a sure as I could be that it would made a big difference,,,,,

blessings
Shan
If you could not have enough money to pay for an assessment of your living area then maybe could you afford to pay it over a few months? Some people will accept that..............

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:

 

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this is a great idea Shan - a cheap and testable tryout idea which I will definitely try - I think my problems are most certainly dirty electricity and my house is half way between 2 phone towers - one of which is very heavily loaded with masts - I live in a detached house but my neighbour's house is very close to mine and she has a dect phone and most probably a wireless broadband router which she would keep switched on all of the time so I would also be fairly certain I am reacting to them as well.

Steph


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 From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2012, 23:59
Subject: [eSens] Re: Beds for ES
 

 
I have been thinking .......... maybe if you tried something that costs very little like maybe aluminum like those 'Emergency blankets' [also called 'car blankets' and 'first aid blankets' and are sometimes in the Sports department] -- they cost about 3 to 5 dollars each at WalMart - they reflect RF Microwave Radiation such as  smart meters, cell towers, and cell phones - my reasoning is if you buy 3 or 4 of those and put one under your bed [if you live in an apartment especially] and over the bed or hang against the wall where you suspect frequencies are coming from and it reduces significantly the frequencies [and symptoms] then it would be safe to  assume that the canopy I bought would do the same things. But first maybe somebody that knows more about aluminum then I do and what it reflects would speak up and tell us if the aluminum also protects against other frequencies like dirty electricity and electromagnetic fields ?

blessings
Shan

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:

 

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Hi Marjij

I am in the UK

I feel the vibes [and pain] in my bed in my house [wooden bed and memory foam mattress] i also feel them sitting in the living room

I also feel them at times if I stay in my parents house [metal sprung bed and mattress]

I have felt them staying in my sister's house [120miles away - wooden bed and metal sprung mattress - quite close to police station communication masts and the house is wired like a space ship it has so much modern technology - i have almost none]

I feel them worse on a stormy windy day and if the utilities have been digging in the road 

For me I think it is a dirty power - geopathic stress thing which in my case was all triggered off by the digital television signal when I bought a digital tv about 5 years ago.

Steph


________________________________
 From: Marjij <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2012, 16:34
Subject: [eSens] Vibrating Beds
 

 
STEPHANIE AND SHAUN. I am intrigued to learn that you both experience vibrating beds.  I do too, and I thought it must be from some under ground work the Navy is doing all night here in San Diego.  May I suggest that we catalogue what parts of the country produce these vibrations?  If it isn't from an electro-magnetic field, what else might it be?  Some think the earth is being affected by a nearby asteroid or "planet-X" type of influence.  Who knows?

I can't imagine how a mere electro-magnetic field could cause actual  vibrations in the bed, even if it is made with metal springs.  The entire earth is surrounded by a field but we don't experience an earth vibration from it. The surface is covered with devices that cause fields... you know, cell towers, high voltage, etc... but the world isn't vibrating as a result!  Why would our beds?

I propose that we who are experiencing this phenomenon make note of where we live that it is happening.  Maybe we could see a pattern... maybe it is something going on underground, ala the Taos, N.M. hum.

I am in San Diego... actually, Imperial Beach, the most southwestern city in the U.S.  A couple of miles north of Tijuana, Mexico, right on the coast.  I get the vibes, and if I move from my usual bed to the livingroom couch I still get the vibes.  On a visit to my son in Chewelah, WA, I slept in his wooden bed in his guest house and I swear I felt the vibes there.  I thought it must be me!  But I see I have lots of company... please share where you are.

Marji


 

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In my case Marc I just feel like the bed is vibrating - a sort of zzz zzz zzzz vvv vvv vvv - the bed probably isn't actually moving but it feels like how you would feel if you were sitting in one of those massage chairs which work by electrical vibration - i'm prob not doing a very good job here but this is the best way I can explain it

Steph


________________________________
 From: Marjij <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, 10 August 2012, 17:37
Subject: [eSens] Re: Vibrating Beds
 

 


Marc, for me it feels like my cat is purring next to me.  Just a rrrrhhhhh, very very slightly, but constantly the same tone, unlike the cat purr which changes when she inhales or exhales... the frequency doesn't change.  But it feels/sounds like it is coming from the mattress... at least from the ground, not from the air. I haven't tried testing with a glass of water.  Doubt if it would affect it, but some say it seems to actually "bounce" for them.  I'll try the water test.

Marji, San Diego


 

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Stephanie, This article might help you with the mylar blanket idea. Also, we (my daughter and I) did find itbetter when we went off the dairy. We could do organic butter, and organic raw cheddar from Organic Valley,though. Inexpensive Method To Shield a Room Against ... - Educate Yourself educate-yourself.org/cn/microwaveshielding09jan12.shtml
 blessings, LizzieTo: [hidden email]
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      this is a great idea Shan - a cheap and testable tryout idea which I will definitely try - I think my problems are most certainly dirty electricity and my house is half way between 2 phone towers - one of which is very heavily loaded with masts - I live in a detached house but my neighbour's house is very close to mine and she has a dect phone and most probably a wireless broadband router which she would keep switched on all of the time so I would also be fairly certain I am reacting to them as well.



Steph



________________________________

 From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]>

To: [hidden email]

Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2012, 23:59

Subject: [eSens] Re: Beds for ES

 



 

I have been thinking .......... maybe if you tried something that costs very little like maybe aluminum like those 'Emergency blankets' [also called 'car blankets' and 'first aid blankets' and are sometimes in the Sports department] -- they cost about 3 to 5 dollars each at WalMart - they reflect RF Microwave Radiation such as  smart meters, cell towers, and cell phones - my reasoning is if you buy 3 or 4 of those and put one under your bed [if you live in an apartment especially] and over the bed or hang against the wall where you suspect frequencies are coming from and it reduces significantly the frequencies [and symptoms] then it would be safe to  assume that the canopy I bought would do the same things. But first maybe somebody that knows more about aluminum then I do and what it reflects would speak up and tell us if the aluminum also protects against other frequencies like dirty electricity and electromagnetic fields ?



blessings

Shan



--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:

>

> I would happily spend any amount of money to get a good night's sleep

>

> I have a wooden frame bed and a memory foam mattress and still my be vibrates - worse some times than others - at times when it is at the worst it feels like the bed is going to lift off the ground the vibrations are so strong - would a canopy help with that do you think? (BTW like you I too had no problems with a metal frame bed until I became EHS and then it was like being slicked with an electric current while trying to sleep on it)

>

> Steph

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>  From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...>

> To: [hidden email]

> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2012, 2:28

> Subject: [eSens] Re: Beds for ES

>

>

> Â  

> I didn't express myself very well - I did not have any issues with the metal frame in the past- not until I developed EMS did the metal frame cause any problems. I got a wooden bed platform because my bed was vibrating all night.  It felt like when a large truck goes by - the ground seems to vibrate, well my bed did that all night.

>

> Now I also have a canopy made from Swiss Shield Naturel and I sleep so deeply that if the house caught on fire I don't know if I would wake up. I know I haven't slept this well for at least 4 years.. Most nights I would  wake up at least 4 times a night, and I would be soaked from perspiration --now that does not happen anymore.

>

> I am not happy with how much I paid for the canopy --it was a total fluke and  I was just lucky that I happened to get the money for it - but I cannot argue how much better it is to get a decent night's sleep. But it annoys me - it would have been nice if I could have spent some of that money on something that I enjoyed.......

>

> blessings

> Shan

>

> --- In [hidden email], "bestsurprise2" <surpriseshan2@> wrote:

> >

> >      About 2 months ago I gave my metal bed frame to the Salvation Army and had a slatted wooden platform made for my mattress. But it sure is expensive even using plain standard wood. However I do sleep much better now. I didn't have any complaints with the metal frame -but this supports the mattress much better in my opinion.

> >

> >               blessings

> >                    Shan

> >

> >

> > --- In [hidden email], "boysand2dogs" <presentlyhappy@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I recently met with a bed manufacturing company that has a unique bed made with no springs and they can determine which bed is right for you based on boby measurements and sleeping patterns.  I was impressed that there are no springs and thought of us ES folks.  Here is their website http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ and I was curious about what you all thought of or if you have found other solution?

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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I would like to add here,
that while the canopy system can help greatly;

it is of vital importance
that one make sure that no emfs get  unintentionally

"locked" into this
canopy area.

 

Simply put, the canopy/bed
must be away from walls with wiring, if bed located

on 2nd floor, there could be
wiring/lights in room below, same as there could be

lighting/wiring overhead on
ceiling if bed on 1st floor.

 

And I'm going to mention
also that if the bed occupant is irradiated, this can also

lock in to the canopy area
the frequencies one is trying to lock out.

 

Take into consideration
baseboard heat/radiator heat, thermostats on nearlby walls,

light switches, ect.

 

I share this from my own
experiences with having used the canopy system. Ideally one would shut off the
circuits for this area, and surrounding areas at bedtime. This greatly depends
upon how orderly the circuits/ wiring was done.

 

In my house, some circuits
were connected willy nilly, meaning the kitchen outlets were not all on one
circuit, or the refrig circuit was connected to an area in opposite side of
house.

 

Hopefully you house will be
wired more straightforward!

 

Lizzie

To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:52:54 +0100
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      thanks Shan



________________________________

 From: bestsurprise2 <[hidden email]>

To: [hidden email]

Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2012, 23:47

Subject: [eSens] Re: Beds for ES

 



 

Whether it would help you and how much depends on what frequencies are causing the bed to vibrate -- do you have any idea? If smear meters were on the other side of your bedroom wall, it would be a pretty good bed that it was them but unless you have truly good idea, it is a lot of money to spend especially if it does not help. That was why I put out the money to get somebody who can test for the different kinds of frequencies, in particular dirty electricity, RF and microwave radiation, plus electromagnetic fields. It was annoying  putting out the money just to get my house tested, but it would be pretty terrible to pay  lots of money for things that did not help at all. At least I now know what my problems are  which is a giant step in my perception to knowing what to do or buy etc to remedy my situation.



If your problem is RF or Microwave Radiation them the material that my canopy would help you but unless you wouldn't miss that much money if the problem was something else. I would not spend that kind of money unless I was a sure as I could be that it would made a big difference,,,,,



blessings

Shan

If you could not have enough money to pay for an assessment of your living area then maybe could you afford to pay it over a few months? Some people will accept that..............



--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:

>

> I would happily spend any amount of money to get a good night's sleep

>

> I have a wooden frame bed and a memory foam mattress and still my be vibrates - worse some times than others - at times when it is at the worst it feels like the bed is going to lift off the ground the vibrations are so strong - would a canopy help with that do you think? (BTW like you I too had no problems with a metal frame bed until I became EHS and then it was like being slicked with an electric current while trying to sleep on it)

>

> Steph

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>  From: bestsurprise2 <surpriseshan2@...>

> To: [hidden email]

> Sent: Wednesday, 8 August 2012, 2:28

> Subject: [eSens] Re: Beds for ES

>

>

> Â  

> I didn't express myself very well - I did not have any issues with the metal frame in the past- not until I developed EMS did the metal frame cause any problems. I got a wooden bed platform because my bed was vibrating all night.  It felt like when a large truck goes by - the ground seems to vibrate, well my bed did that all night.

>

> Now I also have a canopy made from Swiss Shield Naturel and I sleep so deeply that if the house caught on fire I don't know if I would wake up. I know I haven't slept this well for at least 4 years.. Most nights I would  wake up at least 4 times a night, and I would be soaked from perspiration --now that does not happen anymore.

>

> I am not happy with how much I paid for the canopy --it was a total fluke and  I was just lucky that I happened to get the money for it - but I cannot argue how much better it is to get a decent night's sleep. But it annoys me - it would have been nice if I could have spent some of that money on something that I enjoyed.......

>

> blessings

> Shan

>

> --- In [hidden email], "bestsurprise2" <surpriseshan2@> wrote:

> >

> >      About 2 months ago I gave my metal bed frame to the Salvation Army and had a slatted wooden platform made for my mattress. But it sure is expensive even using plain standard wood. However I do sleep much better now. I didn't have any complaints with the metal frame -but this supports the mattress much better in my opinion.

> >

> >               blessings

> >                    Shan

> >

> >

> > --- In [hidden email], "boysand2dogs" <presentlyhappy@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I recently met with a bed manufacturing company that has a unique bed made with no springs and they can determine which bed is right for you based on boby measurements and sleeping patterns.  I was impressed that there are no springs and thought of us ES folks.  Here is their website http://www.customsleepdesign.com/ and I was curious about what you all thought of or if you have found other solution?

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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