sensitivity to laptops

I am having a very strong reaction to laptops,
including fatigue, muscle spasm, headache,
nausea, and dizziness. Desktop computers
and my older Dell laptop do not cause this reaction.

Do you have any theories on what could be causing
this?

I am willing to believe that EMF might be part of the
problem. I am not entirely sure that it explains
everything that has been happening lately...

For instance, I started having symptoms to a laptop I
bought recently before I had even turned it on. I have
also had reactions to electronic devices that were not
even in use, such as external DVD burners, or external
modems.

I think it is possible that I am having reactions to a
particular type of metal or plastic. It has been hard
for me to figure this out, if you have any insight,
please let me know!

Also, if you can suggest a laptop that might be
environmentally safer, I'd appreciate it!

Thanks,

Barry

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With a new computer, especially one not yet turned on, the chemicals
are highly suspect. The boards emit chemicals, so does the case--
expoxies, flame retardants, etc. See Nordstrom's book The Invisible
Disease.

Anyone should air out a new computer at least a couple days before use.
Now that you're sensitive, probably at least a week, including at least an
hour at full throttle computing. Wiping the keyboard down
with alcohol or letting it sit in the sun might help (don't inhale the
alcohol).
But you should not use the keyboard that's built in anyway, the EMFs are too
high.

Bill

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In a message dated 3/19/2008 12:11:24 AM GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
writes:

I am having a very strong reaction to laptops,
> including fatigue, muscle spasm, headache,
> nausea, and dizziness. Desktop computers
> and my older Dell laptop do not cause this reaction.
>



You can try using a cheap AM radio, tune it out to white noise and you will
see the amount of radio noise the laptop emits, through all appliances
attached to it and vicerverser. Best to use a laptop from a distance say 1.5m min,
with separate keyboard and mouse, be wary that these will bring the
frequencies from the laptop/plus there own close to you anyway, again try the AM radio
near the peripherals to see. You can also try using an infrared keyboard,
nothing is benign though so it depends on the severity of your ES symptoms.
You could also try Zoomtext 9.1 available fro 60 day free trial, this helps
with magnification of screen text etc. I would also hazard a guess that when
you say electronics effect you when apparantly not on, dont forget that many
electronics could be very apt at re-radiating frequencies in you vicinity
especially with long wires attached to them. You may have also become hyperaware
of the potential for electronics to effect you and so you radar is turned up
on supersensitive, can you take a break from the offending appliances for a
while, to let you body carm down and smooth out the association with
harm/nausea you experience from the laptop ? its perfectly natural by the way to
feel the latter you have to keep slogging through it, and roll with the punches.


Paul uk






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Hi,

I had problems initially to my new Dell Inspiron Core Duo, too. And, like you said, before it was even turned on. I spent the first month on the phone with techies every day. They did help me alot. I ended up getting rid of all the wi-fi cards/junk on it. You have to go into the device manager (control panel) and turn off all sorts of things, first. I could barely stand to come near the thing until I did that. And I knew enough to turn off the wi-fi connections myself, which was a huge help. There is a setting for wi-fi on and off there. But there are too many other settings that I'd miss if I told you how to take care of this whole problem myself. Call Dell and ask to talk to a hardware tech, if you have tech support (you should have for 1 year). I talked to a guy from India and he did know his stuff. I talked to 5 or 6 Dell techs in all and at least 3 were aware of ES and what it was--one even said he had minor problems with it, too. Tell them electric +/or
magnetic frequencies bother you. For me, it is more about the magnetic frequencies, but I react to some other frequencies too.

I also had to end up using my computer without the battery, but some here say they like to use the laptop on battery and unplug from the outlet during use. (I sap the batteries too quickly to use, and the constant charging of the batteries caused a magnetic field that drove me nuts when it was plugged in.)

Also, be careful which outlet you plug the laptop into and what other electronics/phones/DSL boxes/etc there are in close outlets. I found I needed to take the laptop to a room where my phone/dsl box were on another breaker and I could plug the laptop in on the opposite side of the room and still be able to plug to the dsl box. In this arrangement, I have wires spread out all over the floor, but I only use my laptop there, so it works for me. (Wouldn't work for all--after all, that is why we buy laptops, we prefer them to be portable and take up little space. This one is not.) Another thing which someone here told me was the laptops have 2 prong plugs instead of three prong plugs, but they still need to go into the outlet the correct direction, like a three prong. I was amazed at how different the feel is if I accidently put the plug in upside down.

I also found I had to dumb-down as much as possible and take off all the extra software that pops-up, runs behind other programs, etc, etc. This kept the computer running slower. I think the dual-core and switching back and forth doesn't work for me--I think there is a magnetic field produced by this set-up. I should have known that when I bought the Dell, but didn't think of it (I was thinking it would be less of a problem due to the 2 drives being less powerful,each). I tried going into computer stores and libraries to try out the computers first, but I get such a huge head "buzz" and other symptoms in these places that I couldn't tell anything except I needed to escape! If one computer, turned off, causes great confusion and pain, you can imagine what hundreds in boxes all over a store do! ;) You probably can relate. Anyway, after about 2 months of trying different things, moving the laptop away from anything magnetically and electrically related, (and, I
think it took time for the magnetic fields to actually totally dissipate), I could use the computer without too much problem. At first, I had to restrict my use, to get over all the magnetism of the first couple months, but after I recovered, I could then use the computer about as long as I had my old one.

Also, I do not download or upload anything while sitting at the computer. If I am scanning harddrive/etc I step away while the computer is working. I sit in front of it only to type. I read email sitting about 3 or 4 feet away.

Good luck; hope this helps,
Diane



cartmanbaseball <[hidden email]> wrote:
I am having a very strong reaction to laptops,
including fatigue, muscle spasm, headache,
nausea, and dizziness. Desktop computers
and my older Dell laptop do not cause this reaction.

Do you have any theories on what could be causing
this?

I am willing to believe that EMF might be part of the
problem. I am not entirely sure that it explains
everything that has been happening lately...

For instance, I started having symptoms to a laptop I
bought recently before I had even turned it on. I have
also had reactions to electronic devices that were not
even in use, such as external DVD burners, or external
modems.

I think it is possible that I am having reactions to a
particular type of metal or plastic. It has been hard
for me to figure this out, if you have any insight,
please let me know!

Also, if you can suggest a laptop that might be
environmentally safer, I'd appreciate it!

Thanks,

Barry






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Some interesting theories on what is happening with me and the laptops... There are many possible factors, including chemicals, EMF, and wi-fi. There could be truth in all of these theories..

But what I don't understand is how wi-fi signals can be effecting me when the laptop isn't on. I asked a tech about this and he said that a walkie-talkie doesn't transmit signals unless it is on, and the same is true of a laptop.

I decided to buy a USB wireless adapter yesterday to test this idea. I bought a Belkin G wireless adapter, and it was effecting me even when it wasn't plugged into the USB port. I definitely felt the energy from the device and it was making me sick, but I can't explain why it happened. Apparently no wi-fi signals are being received or sent when it isn't in use.

So this wi-fi thing remains a mystery... all I know is that wi-fi devices make me ill whether they are plugged in or not.. am I crazy? :)

Sincerely,

Barry

Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi,

I had problems initially to my new Dell Inspiron Core Duo, too. And, like you said, before it was even turned on. I spent the first month on the phone with techies every day. They did help me alot. I ended up getting rid of all the wi-fi cards/junk on it. You have to go into the device manager (control panel) and turn off all sorts of things, first. I could barely stand to come near the thing until I did that. And I knew enough to turn off the wi-fi connections myself, which was a huge help. There is a setting for wi-fi on and off there. But there are too many other settings that I'd miss if I told you how to take care of this whole problem myself. Call Dell and ask to talk to a hardware tech, if you have tech support (you should have for 1 year). I talked to a guy from India and he did know his stuff. I talked to 5 or 6 Dell techs in all and at least 3 were aware of ES and what it was--one even said he had minor problems with it, too. Tell them electric +/or
magnetic frequencies bother you. For me, it is more about the magnetic frequencies, but I react to some other frequencies too.

I also had to end up using my computer without the battery, but some here say they like to use the laptop on battery and unplug from the outlet during use. (I sap the batteries too quickly to use, and the constant charging of the batteries caused a magnetic field that drove me nuts when it was plugged in.)

Also, be careful which outlet you plug the laptop into and what other electronics/phones/DSL boxes/etc there are in close outlets. I found I needed to take the laptop to a room where my phone/dsl box were on another breaker and I could plug the laptop in on the opposite side of the room and still be able to plug to the dsl box. In this arrangement, I have wires spread out all over the floor, but I only use my laptop there, so it works for me. (Wouldn't work for all--after all, that is why we buy laptops, we prefer them to be portable and take up little space. This one is not.) Another thing which someone here told me was the laptops have 2 prong plugs instead of three prong plugs, but they still need to go into the outlet the correct direction, like a three prong. I was amazed at how different the feel is if I accidently put the plug in upside down.

I also found I had to dumb-down as much as possible and take off all the extra software that pops-up, runs behind other programs, etc, etc. This kept the computer running slower. I think the dual-core and switching back and forth doesn't work for me--I think there is a magnetic field produced by this set-up. I should have known that when I bought the Dell, but didn't think of it (I was thinking it would be less of a problem due to the 2 drives being less powerful,each). I tried going into computer stores and libraries to try out the computers first, but I get such a huge head "buzz" and other symptoms in these places that I couldn't tell anything except I needed to escape! If one computer, turned off, causes great confusion and pain, you can imagine what hundreds in boxes all over a store do! ;) You probably can relate. Anyway, after about 2 months of trying different things, moving the laptop away from anything magnetically and electrically related, (and, I
think it took time for the magnetic fields to actually totally dissipate), I could use the computer without too much problem. At first, I had to restrict my use, to get over all the magnetism of the first couple months, but after I recovered, I could then use the computer about as long as I had my old one.

Also, I do not download or upload anything while sitting at the computer. If I am scanning harddrive/etc I step away while the computer is working. I sit in front of it only to type. I read email sitting about 3 or 4 feet away.

Good luck; hope this helps,
Diane



cartmanbaseball wrote:
I am having a very strong reaction to laptops,
including fatigue, muscle spasm, headache,
nausea, and dizziness. Desktop computers
and my older Dell laptop do not cause this reaction.

Do you have any theories on what could be causing
this?

I am willing to believe that EMF might be part of the
problem. I am not entirely sure that it explains
everything that has been happening lately...

For instance, I started having symptoms to a laptop I
bought recently before I had even turned it on. I have
also had reactions to electronic devices that were not
even in use, such as external DVD burners, or external
modems.

I think it is possible that I am having reactions to a
particular type of metal or plastic. It has been hard
for me to figure this out, if you have any insight,
please let me know!

Also, if you can suggest a laptop that might be
environmentally safer, I'd appreciate it!

Thanks,

Barry






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> So this wi-fi thing remains a mystery... all I know is that wi-fi
> devices make me ill whether they are plugged in or not.. am I crazy? :)

Probably not -- my employer's work ID badge gives me problems, and
it is also unpowered (but does contain a chip and antenna of some
sort)

Marc

In a message dated 3/19/2008 8:17:38 PM GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

decided to buy a USB wireless adapter yesterday to test this idea. I bought
a Belkin G wireless adapter, and it was effecting me even when it wasn't
plugged into the USB port. I definitely felt the energy from the device and it
was making me sick, but I can't explain why it happened. Apparently no wi-fi
signals are being received or sent when it isn't in use.



Perhaps you need to think along the lines of Quantum physics here !

P uk






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If you react when you're within a few inches, then possibly the antenna
is concentrating the fields enough to affect you. But also consider the
chemicals.

Reversing the direction of a 2 prong plug probably does not alter the
magnetic
fields but can have a big effect on the amount of AC electric field you get.

Running on batteries and not plugged in should mean less EMFs. Then you
need
to find a way to charge the battery somewhere else, and probably get at
least 2 batteries.
A battery will hold a charge better if it's used by draining and then
immediately
doing a gradual recharge. Keeping a battery fully charged all the time is
bad for it
and will not allow it to keep a charge very long.

Bill

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Hi Paul

I was reading your advice on the laptop. What do you do with the AM radio,
just turn it on next to the computer or does the radio have to touch the
computer?

Thanks,

Donna

Hi, Barry,

I do not understand that either. But I did disable and could feel the difference. Try it; all you need to do is have a list of settings on your computer to return to. If it doesn't work, return the settings as they were. It can all be done from your control panel on your computer.

Diane

Barry Paul <[hidden email]> wrote:
Some interesting theories on what is happening with me and the laptops... There are many possible factors, including chemicals, EMF, and wi-fi. There could be truth in all of these theories..

But what I don't understand is how wi-fi signals can be effecting me when the laptop isn't on. I asked a tech about this and he said that a walkie-talkie doesn't transmit signals unless it is on, and the same is true of a laptop.

I decided to buy a USB wireless adapter yesterday to test this idea. I bought a Belkin G wireless adapter, and it was effecting me even when it wasn't plugged into the USB port. I definitely felt the energy from the device and it was making me sick, but I can't explain why it happened. Apparently no wi-fi signals are being received or sent when it isn't in use.

So this wi-fi thing remains a mystery... all I know is that wi-fi devices make me ill whether they are plugged in or not.. am I crazy? :)

Sincerely,

Barry

Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi,

I had problems initially to my new Dell Inspiron Core Duo, too. And, like you said, before it was even turned on. I spent the first month on the phone with techies every day. They did help me alot. I ended up getting rid of all the wi-fi cards/junk on it. You have to go into the device manager (control panel) and turn off all sorts of things, first. I could barely stand to come near the thing until I did that. And I knew enough to turn off the wi-fi connections myself, which was a huge help. There is a setting for wi-fi on and off there. But there are too many other settings that I'd miss if I told you how to take care of this whole problem myself. Call Dell and ask to talk to a hardware tech, if you have tech support (you should have for 1 year). I talked to a guy from India and he did know his stuff. I talked to 5 or 6 Dell techs in all and at least 3 were aware of ES and what it was--one even said he had minor problems with it, too. Tell them electric +/or
magnetic frequencies bother you. For me, it is more about the magnetic frequencies, but I react to some other frequencies too.

I also had to end up using my computer without the battery, but some here say they like to use the laptop on battery and unplug from the outlet during use. (I sap the batteries too quickly to use, and the constant charging of the batteries caused a magnetic field that drove me nuts when it was plugged in.)

Also, be careful which outlet you plug the laptop into and what other electronics/phones/DSL boxes/etc there are in close outlets. I found I needed to take the laptop to a room where my phone/dsl box were on another breaker and I could plug the laptop in on the opposite side of the room and still be able to plug to the dsl box. In this arrangement, I have wires spread out all over the floor, but I only use my laptop there, so it works for me. (Wouldn't work for all--after all, that is why we buy laptops, we prefer them to be portable and take up little space. This one is not.) Another thing which someone here told me was the laptops have 2 prong plugs instead of three prong plugs, but they still need to go into the outlet the correct direction, like a three prong. I was amazed at how different the feel is if I accidently put the plug in upside down.

I also found I had to dumb-down as much as possible and take off all the extra software that pops-up, runs behind other programs, etc, etc. This kept the computer running slower. I think the dual-core and switching back and forth doesn't work for me--I think there is a magnetic field produced by this set-up. I should have known that when I bought the Dell, but didn't think of it (I was thinking it would be less of a problem due to the 2 drives being less powerful,each). I tried going into computer stores and libraries to try out the computers first, but I get such a huge head "buzz" and other symptoms in these places that I couldn't tell anything except I needed to escape! If one computer, turned off, causes great confusion and pain, you can imagine what hundreds in boxes all over a store do! ;) You probably can relate. Anyway, after about 2 months of trying different things, moving the laptop away from anything magnetically and electrically related, (and, I
think it took time for the magnetic fields to actually totally dissipate), I could use the computer without too much problem. At first, I had to restrict my use, to get over all the magnetism of the first couple months, but after I recovered, I could then use the computer about as long as I had my old one.

Also, I do not download or upload anything while sitting at the computer. If I am scanning harddrive/etc I step away while the computer is working. I sit in front of it only to type. I read email sitting about 3 or 4 feet away.

Good luck; hope this helps,
Diane



cartmanbaseball wrote:
I am having a very strong reaction to laptops,
including fatigue, muscle spasm, headache,
nausea, and dizziness. Desktop computers
and my older Dell laptop do not cause this reaction.

Do you have any theories on what could be causing
this?

I am willing to believe that EMF might be part of the
problem. I am not entirely sure that it explains
everything that has been happening lately...

For instance, I started having symptoms to a laptop I
bought recently before I had even turned it on. I have
also had reactions to electronic devices that were not
even in use, such as external DVD burners, or external
modems.

I think it is possible that I am having reactions to a
particular type of metal or plastic. It has been hard
for me to figure this out, if you have any insight,
please let me know!

Also, if you can suggest a laptop that might be
environmentally safer, I'd appreciate it!

Thanks,

Barry

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Hi again, Barry,

Well if you are crazy, there are a number of us who are right there with you.

Diane

Barry Paul <[hidden email]> wrote:
Some interesting theories on what is happening with me and the laptops... There are many possible factors, including chemicals, EMF, and wi-fi. There could be truth in all of these theories..

But what I don't understand is how wi-fi signals can be effecting me when the laptop isn't on. I asked a tech about this and he said that a walkie-talkie doesn't transmit signals unless it is on, and the same is true of a laptop.

I decided to buy a USB wireless adapter yesterday to test this idea. I bought a Belkin G wireless adapter, and it was effecting me even when it wasn't plugged into the USB port. I definitely felt the energy from the device and it was making me sick, but I can't explain why it happened. Apparently no wi-fi signals are being received or sent when it isn't in use.

So this wi-fi thing remains a mystery... all I know is that wi-fi devices make me ill whether they are plugged in or not.. am I crazy? :)

Sincerely,

Barry

Evie <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi,

I had problems initially to my new Dell Inspiron Core Duo, too. And, like you said, before it was even turned on. I spent the first month on the phone with techies every day. They did help me alot. I ended up getting rid of all the wi-fi cards/junk on it. You have to go into the device manager (control panel) and turn off all sorts of things, first. I could barely stand to come near the thing until I did that. And I knew enough to turn off the wi-fi connections myself, which was a huge help. There is a setting for wi-fi on and off there. But there are too many other settings that I'd miss if I told you how to take care of this whole problem myself. Call Dell and ask to talk to a hardware tech, if you have tech support (you should have for 1 year). I talked to a guy from India and he did know his stuff. I talked to 5 or 6 Dell techs in all and at least 3 were aware of ES and what it was--one even said he had minor problems with it, too. Tell them electric +/or
magnetic frequencies bother you. For me, it is more about the magnetic frequencies, but I react to some other frequencies too.

I also had to end up using my computer without the battery, but some here say they like to use the laptop on battery and unplug from the outlet during use. (I sap the batteries too quickly to use, and the constant charging of the batteries caused a magnetic field that drove me nuts when it was plugged in.)

Also, be careful which outlet you plug the laptop into and what other electronics/phones/DSL boxes/etc there are in close outlets. I found I needed to take the laptop to a room where my phone/dsl box were on another breaker and I could plug the laptop in on the opposite side of the room and still be able to plug to the dsl box. In this arrangement, I have wires spread out all over the floor, but I only use my laptop there, so it works for me. (Wouldn't work for all--after all, that is why we buy laptops, we prefer them to be portable and take up little space. This one is not.) Another thing which someone here told me was the laptops have 2 prong plugs instead of three prong plugs, but they still need to go into the outlet the correct direction, like a three prong. I was amazed at how different the feel is if I accidently put the plug in upside down.

I also found I had to dumb-down as much as possible and take off all the extra software that pops-up, runs behind other programs, etc, etc. This kept the computer running slower. I think the dual-core and switching back and forth doesn't work for me--I think there is a magnetic field produced by this set-up. I should have known that when I bought the Dell, but didn't think of it (I was thinking it would be less of a problem due to the 2 drives being less powerful,each). I tried going into computer stores and libraries to try out the computers first, but I get such a huge head "buzz" and other symptoms in these places that I couldn't tell anything except I needed to escape! If one computer, turned off, causes great confusion and pain, you can imagine what hundreds in boxes all over a store do! ;) You probably can relate. Anyway, after about 2 months of trying different things, moving the laptop away from anything magnetically and electrically related, (and, I
think it took time for the magnetic fields to actually totally dissipate), I could use the computer without too much problem. At first, I had to restrict my use, to get over all the magnetism of the first couple months, but after I recovered, I could then use the computer about as long as I had my old one.

Also, I do not download or upload anything while sitting at the computer. If I am scanning harddrive/etc I step away while the computer is working. I sit in front of it only to type. I read email sitting about 3 or 4 feet away.

Good luck; hope this helps,
Diane



cartmanbaseball wrote:
I am having a very strong reaction to laptops,
including fatigue, muscle spasm, headache,
nausea, and dizziness. Desktop computers
and my older Dell laptop do not cause this reaction.

Do you have any theories on what could be causing
this?

I am willing to believe that EMF might be part of the
problem. I am not entirely sure that it explains
everything that has been happening lately...

For instance, I started having symptoms to a laptop I
bought recently before I had even turned it on. I have
also had reactions to electronic devices that were not
even in use, such as external DVD burners, or external
modems.

I think it is possible that I am having reactions to a
particular type of metal or plastic. It has been hard
for me to figure this out, if you have any insight,
please let me know!

Also, if you can suggest a laptop that might be
environmentally safer, I'd appreciate it!

Thanks,

Barry

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In a message dated 3/20/2008 6:27:11 PM GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Hi Paul

I was reading your advice on the laptop. What do you do with the AM radio,
just turn it on next to the computer or does the radio have to touch the
computer?

Thanks,



Just get a cheap battery powered AM radio turn the dial to white noise say
end of scale ussually works, and simply bring it close to the laptop, lcd
screen, any illuminated display, compact flourescent bulbs and hear the
aggressive noises emitted, these are the stray radio waves in a wide range of
frequencies (perhaps someone can be more specific here) it kind off says it all !
suppose that when the radio goes silent as you move it further away from the
appliance, you might allow a factor of say 10 times the distance to avoid fairly
imediate symptoms, remember the body is far more equisite in its sensitivity
than an AM radio.

p uk






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Thanks paul. I'll do that.

Donna

Hi all,

Earlier this year I tried doing some ionic footbaths, as I've seen some good
reports about them here and elsewhere. Unfortunately, I was made worse by
these, and stopped them rather quickly. By worse, I mean that my ES is
worse, and my symptoms are now different than they've ever been
before. My primary symptoms around electricity are now panic attacks
combined with a sensation that I "can't breathe" (even though I obviously
can).

So far, I've found several things which help these symptoms -- lecithin,
inositol, charcoal, green superfood powders, B vitamins, thyroid and
adrenal glandulars, increased use of my Quantum Products EMF protection
devices, and kelp/iodine.

I'm just curious though -- I don't see many reports of panic attacks
here as being an ES symptom. My question is -- is this a symptom any
of you have, and have you found anything particularly helpful for it?

Note that I've been to several alternative doctors in the past few months
trying to resolve this problem -- the best we can figure is that the ionic
footbaths did a major redistribution of mercury, which is adversely affecting
my thyroid, adrenals, and nervous system (hypo-thyroid and hypo-adrenal
conditions are known to cause panic attacks)

Marc

In a message dated 3/23/2008 3:49:07 PM GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

my thyroid, adrenals, and nervous system (hypo-thyroid and hypo-adrenal
conditions are known to cause panic attacks)

Marc



Its a no brainer that you have tried calming exercises to combat the panic
attacks ? There is no doubt that certain frequencies of electrical waves can
induce a similar feeling to bog standard anxiety/fight or flight which there is
often a good feedback loop in the conscious brain, but this stuff seems to
go in the back door and cause alarm per-se, just the bodies way again of
saying get me out of here. So nothing elese has changed in your environment that
you are aware of to boot ?

best wishes

Paul uk






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> So nothing elese has changed in your environment that
> you are aware of to boot ?

No, nothing has changed in my environment, and the attacks started
the day after my first ionic footbath. I could tell that my body
was dumping toxins on that day, as I had increased sweatiness,
smelly urine, and scalp eruptions. I'm sure the footbath removed
a lot of toxins, but my problem was with the toxins that got
mobilized and didn't make it out of my body.

And yes, I do find that if I focus on deep breathing while in a
store or something, that is also helpful.

Also, in the area of EMF devices, while the Quantum Products
items have been the most helpful, I have also noticed help
from Electromagnetic Pollution Rectifiers, the MegaChi pendant,
and Tachyon products. But these are not as consistent day-to-day.

Marc

I have the mother of all amalgam fillings had it for 10-15yrs in one of my
back teeth approx half the tooth, I shine it up every night with brushing, I
am somewhat fearfull of having it touched should I let it be or go for it, of
course there is also the cost implications of a new crown to consider ?!!

Paul uk






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> I have the mother of all amalgam fillings had it for 10-15yrs in one of my
> back teeth approx half the tooth, I shine it up every night with brushing, I
> am somewhat fearfull of having it touched should I let it be or go for it, of
> course there is also the cost implications of a new crown to consider ?!!

personally, I'd have it replaced by a holistic dentist taking precautions
against mercury exposure, and take lots of charcoal before and after the
procedure!

Marc

If rhese are the BEFE foot baths or similar to it, I have read that
they are bogus -- its not your feet that are throwing off all the crud
in the water -- its actually the nature of the substance that you put
in the water. IF this is true (google it and make up your own mind)
then maybe the product that is put in the water is the culprit.

Yolanda
On Mar 23, 2008, at 8:48 AM, Marc Martin wrote:

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