question from new member

Hi all, I'm writing for my wife, who cannot be near a computer whatsoever. She has dealt with serious CFIDS for 13 years, and MCS on and off for over10 years (lately it's been extremely bad), and all of a sudden she is now sensitive to electromagnetic fields. I'm glad I found this group, because there is a lot of information here. So much so that I'm overwhelmed. We're looking for immediate ways to make our home (rented apartment) safer, butwe don't know where to start, other than by avoiding using electricity as much as possible. I'm also only able to use my laptop out of the house. I've seen a lot of devices such as resonance equipment (i.e. Earthcalm) for sale online, and most of it is pretty expensive, and most companies make a lot of lofty claims, but I feel really ignorant. We would be willing to spend money on things that worked, but I have no idea where to start. If anyone has any ideas, I'd be greatly appreciative.

sincerely,
Jason

Hi Jason,

Our sympathies to you and your wife - and I know that will be shared by the
whole group. Particularly at this time which can be a frightening
experience, even when you already have experience of dealing with problems
like MCS.

As you may see from the archive, there is quite a big variation of
experiences among different people on which "anti-emf" products work for
them (Earthcalm, Stetzer filters, etc). In the meantime, the best help is
to make your environment as benign as possible. If you haven't already done
these, do try them as soon as possible:

- Replace any cordless telephones with corded ones and disconnect the base
station.
- Turn off any wi-fi or similar systems, including wireless network
capability on your laptop.
- Avoid using TV's and similar screens; good that you're already avoiding
use of your laptop.
- Avoid using microwave ovens.
- Switch off power at night (can help sleep - essential for coping and
regeneration).
- Avoid shops and buildings with low fluorescent lights (make symptoms worse
for many ES sufferers).
- Replace any low energy light bulbs (compact fluorescents which contain
mercury) with low-power (40W) old-fashioned incandescent tungsten filament
bulbs.
- Get an electrosmog detector and check for any big signals from masts,
neighbours' wifi etc - they can usually be greatly reduced by putting up
metallic woven netting as shielding where the signal is coming in (often
highly directional).
- Avoid standing close to gas boilers etc (these often produce a large
magnetic field when operating, from internal relays).
- Consider putting aluminium foil over light switches, power sockets and
wall thermostats; these emit a surprisingly large electric field even when
switched off.

All of these are simple, quick and cheap, but can reduce the "dose"
substantially and help get things under control. Unfortunately if you are
in an apartment you will not be able to do much about your neighbours' power
lines running through shared walls; you'll also get signals from their wifi
or cordless phones but these can be shielded with metallic netting when
you've found where they are coming from. If there is any chance for her to
get away for a time to a friend or relative in a lower-emf environment
(rural or hilly) that can also help.

Some of these precautions may be reduced later if you find she's only
susceptible to certain types of EM radiation. There are electric fields,
magnetic fields and microwaves (the latter including mobile phones and
masts). Some people react to one type much more than others.

In the longer term, the best hope of a cure is to find some way of treating
the underlying problems which have also caused the CFIDS and the MCS, which
are almost certainly rooted in the immune system and the liver. Lots in the
archives on this, including some success stories of real improvements :-)
No doubt you have already tried various treatments for this over the years.
However, at the moment you need immediate help in reducing your wife's
exposure as much as possible to avoid making things worse. And she'll be
finding it traumatic that her "safe haven" has suddenly become unsafe (we
know - we've been there ...)

Best wishes and good luck, Ian

_____

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pkshetland
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Subject: [eSens] question from new member




Hi all, I'm writing for my wife, who cannot be near a computer whatsoever.
She has dealt with serious CFIDS for 13 years, and MCS on and off for over
10 years (lately it's been extremely bad), and all of a sudden she is now
sensitive to electromagnetic fields. I'm glad I found this group, because
there is a lot of information here. So much so that I'm overwhelmed. We're
looking for immediate ways to make our home (rented apartment) safer, but we
don't know where to start, other than by avoiding using electricity as much
as possible. I'm also only able to use my laptop out of the house. I've seen
a lot of devices such as resonance equipment (i.e. Earthcalm) for sale
online, and most of it is pretty expensive, and most companies make a lot of
lofty claims, but I feel really ignorant. We would be willing to spend money
on things that worked, but I have no idea where to start. If anyone has any
ideas, I'd be greatly appreciative.

sincerely,
Jason






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Thank you so much, Ian, that's very encouraging. Yes, we realize it is all "one illness," so to speak, and in general, when she's doing better, ALL of her symptoms are better. And lately, when she is crashing harder, she feels the EM symptoms more. Off the bat, what is the best netting to buy, and would covering all the walls in one room be ideal, since she is spends the great majority of her time in one single room?

We've already gotten rid of cordless phones, and she's been using a speaker phone, with mixed results. She often feels symptoms (begins with tingling of her lips and tongue) after talking on it for a few minutes.

In regards to switching off power, do you mean cutting the circuit breakers?

I have an Trifield meter from Alphalabs, but Nicole can feel things that are undetectable to the meter (even with a 100x external probe), such as a laptop from across the building. I do, however, get high readings from some parts of the house (not her bedroom), and have been curious about how to block things such as the radiation from the power box outside.

I have a few other questions off the top of my head.

Are diodes at all useful, and if so, which ones?

Are amulets useful?

What are the best radios to use, if at all? I want her to be able to keep in touch with the world in some shape or form, other than having me typing this in on her behalf!

best,
Jason

> Are diodes at all useful, and if so, which ones?
>
> Are amulets useful?

I have not had much luck with diodes (and I don't think I've ever tried
something called an amulet). In the EMF protection device area, there
are a few things that some people have found helpful, although no device
works for everyone. For me, the best ones have been most things sold
at quantumproducts.com, springlife polarizers (at choosecra.com),
personal polarizers (at cutcat.com), and the stuff at earthcalm.com
can be helpful. Some other folks here have had luck with the
BioProtect card (at golden-ray.com).

> What are the best radios to use, if at all?

Hmmm, I guess I have never had a problem using a radio, and I'm not
sure that has even been discussed as being a problem here. Battery
powered might be better than plug-in, I suppose... (?)

Marc

Jason,

One thing to check for if you live in an apartment is where the electricity, TV cable comes into the building and where the wireless dish may be. Because the amount of electricity coming into a building that size is large you want to be as far away from the entry point as possible. If you are close see to relocating to another apartment. It's a good reminder to those who own houses not to have their bedrooms by that wall also. The satellite waves (or what ever they are) are more concentrated by the dish as well. Also try not to be by elevator motors, pool pumps, laundry room, etc.

Good luck,

Jennie


Jennie Wassenaar






________________________________
From: pkshetland <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:43:58 PM
Subject: [eSens] question from new member


Hi all, I'm writing for my wife, who cannot be near a computer whatsoever. She has dealt with serious CFIDS for 13 years, and MCS on and off for over 10 years (lately it's been extremely bad), and all of a sudden she is now sensitive to electromagnetic fields. I'm glad I found this group, because there is a lot of information here. So much so that I'm overwhelmed. We're looking for immediate ways to make our home (rented apartment) safer, but we don't know where to start, other than by avoiding using electricity as much as possible. I'm also only able to use my laptop out of the house. I've seen a lot of devices such as resonance equipment (i.e. Earthcalm) for sale online, and most of it is pretty expensive, and most companies make a lot of lofty claims, but I feel really ignorant. We would be willing to spend money on things that worked, but I have no idea where to start. If anyone has any ideas, I'd be greatly appreciative.

sincerely,
Jason




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I can not use a speaker phone as well. I hate talking on the phone and if I have to make phone calls I wait until I know people are not home so I only have to leave a message. Basicly for all things electronic for me the lower tech and lower power the better. The mixed results with the speaker phone may be because of the variance in power between the models your wife in trying


Jennie Wassenaar




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From: pkshetland <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:47:07 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure


Thank you so much, Ian, that's very encouraging. Yes, we realize it is all "one illness," so to speak, and in general, when she's doing better, ALL of her symptoms are better. And lately, when she is crashing harder, she feels the EM symptoms more. Off the bat, what is the best netting to buy, and would covering all the walls in one room be ideal, since she is spends the great majority of her time in one single room?

We've already gotten rid of cordless phones, and she's been using a speaker phone, with mixed results. She often feels symptoms (begins with tingling of her lips and tongue) after talking on it for a few minutes.

In regards to switching off power, do you mean cutting the circuit breakers?

I have an Trifield meter from Alphalabs, but Nicole can feel things that are undetectable to the meter (even with a 100x external probe), such as a laptop from across the building. I do, however, get high readings from some parts of the house (not her bedroom), and have been curious about how to block things such as the radiation from the power box outside.

I have a few other questions off the top of my head.

Are diodes at all useful, and if so, which ones?

Are amulets useful?

What are the best radios to use, if at all? I want her to be able to keep in touch with the world in some shape or form, other than having me typing this in on her behalf!

best,
Jason



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OK, I can't believe you have never had an e-mail discussion about the radio! I use to be very involved in contemporary Christian music. I always had the radio on, played CDs, went to concerts and sang at church. Now I never listen to the radio, especially in my vehicle. I never listen to CDs. I still work at concerts but never sit in the auditorium to listen to the concerts and I have to plan out when I can sing at church. I have heard that speakers put out a tremendous amount of electromagnetic energy. And I get very specific symptoms.

I can watch DVDs from 1 of the 3 TVs in my house - the smallest one. I sometimes watch them on my portable DVD player and it feels better to me if I play them off the rechargeable built in battery than if I watch it plugged into the wall.

Just out of curiosity have you ever had an e-mail discussion about traveling in a vehicle? I have an Explorer and if I am going to be traveling with a group for any distance we may use my vehicle but someone else will drive so I can sit in the back, away from the engine. If it's just my husband and I and we are going to drive for over an hour I'll sit in the back - then he looks like my chauffeur. I don't mean to make light of anyones situation but if all these adjustment to life weren't necessary to elevate our MCS it could actually be funny.

jw


Jennie Wassenaar




________________________________
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:13:42 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure


> Are diodes at all useful, and if so, which ones?
>
> Are amulets useful?

I have not had much luck with diodes (and I don't think I've ever tried
something called an amulet). In the EMF protection device area, there
are a few things that some people have found helpful, although no device
works for everyone. For me, the best ones have been most things sold
at quantumproducts. com, springlifepolarizers (at choosecra.com) ,
personal polarizers (at cutcat.com), and the stuff at earthcalm.com
can be helpful. Some other folks here have had luck with the
BioProtect card (at golden-ray.com) .

> What are the best radios to use, if at all?

Hmmm, I guess I have never had a problem using a radio, and I'm not
sure that has even been discussed as being a problem here. Battery
powered might be better than plug-in, I suppose... (?)

Marc



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> Just out of curiosity have you ever had an e-mail discussion about
> traveling in a vehicle?

Oh yes, we've had a lot of discussions about people having troubles
driving, either due to the car they're in, or the cellphone towers that
clutter the highways.

I used to get anxiety symptoms while driving, but I discovered that
simple adrenal supplementation (IsoCort) eliminated that symptom. Took
me almost 2 years to figure that out, however... :-)

Marc

Were your anxiety symptoms because you were going to travel and you were anxious about the trip or because the EMS showed it's self with those types of symptoms?

Are there different vehicles that are better than others? My lease on my Explorer is almost up and I will be taking delivery of a new one next week. But if an Explorer is a bad vehicle for me I will cancel my order. I am concerned because I will be having heated leather seats. I know I will never use the heating element because of EMS. But I need leather seats because I am extremely allergic to dust mites and do not want cloth seats. Leather seats automatically come with the heating element and I am concerned that that may bother me even if I do not turn it on. Kind of like metal coils do in a mattress.

Thanks for the info.,

Jennie


Jennie Wassenaar






________________________________
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:49:38 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure


> Just out of curiosity have you ever had an e-mail discussion about
> traveling in a vehicle?

Oh yes, we've had a lot of discussions about people having troubles
driving, either due to the car they're in, or the cellphone towers that
clutter the highways.

I used to get anxiety symptoms while driving, but I discovered that
simple adrenal supplementation (IsoCort) eliminated that symptom. Took
me almost 2 years to figure that out, however... :-)

Marc



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> Were your anxiety symptoms because you were going to travel and you were
> anxious about the trip or because the EMS showed it's self with those
> types of symptoms?

No, this was an EMF-induced anxiety, I got it elsewhere at
times as well.

> Are there different vehicles that are better than others?

I think in general, older vehicles are better, as they have less electronics,
sensors for airbags, etc.

MArc

Marc,

I just sent you an e-mail asking about the difference in vehicles. If you have a moment to answer that I would appreciate it. As I said I will be taking deliver on a new Explorer this week and it might be as early as Monday afternoon.

Thanks,

jw


Jennie Wassenaar






________________________________
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:49:38 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure


> Just out of curiosity have you ever had an e-mail discussion about
> traveling in a vehicle?

Oh yes, we've had a lot of discussions about people having troubles
driving, either due to the car they're in, or the cellphone towers that
clutter the highways.

I used to get anxiety symptoms while driving, but I discovered that
simple adrenal supplementation (IsoCort) eliminated that symptom. Took
me almost 2 years to figure that out, however... :-)

Marc



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Marc,

Thanks for the info. I think I may be in trouble....... I get an Explorer for my work. Like I said because I upgraded to the leather seats the vehicle has all the bells and whistles - all kinds of electronic things I know I will never use. Hopefully because I will not engage them they will be OK for me. I had actually thought of the option of getting the cloth seats and covering my seat with a "plastic" cover. I may need to re-think that.

It's just a reminder to the amount of care and thought we need to use with new purchases of any type.

Thanks again,

Jennie


Jennie Wassenaar






________________________________
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure


> Were your anxiety symptoms because you were going to travel and you were
> anxious about the trip or because the EMS showed it's self with those
> types of symptoms?

No, this was an EMF-induced anxiety, I got it elsewhere at
times as well.

> Are there different vehicles that are better than others?

I think in general, older vehicles are better, as they have less electronics,
sensors for airbags, etc.

MArc



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I often opt for the back seat of a car too, although I have not noticed
specific
symptoms.

Putting foil over a light switch is unlikely to help unless your wiring is
shielded
(which in a commercial building is often the case). Otherwise the wiring is
as bad as the switch once you're a couple inches away. If you do have
shielded
wiring, metal switchplates or foil makes sense. Try to ground it using the
cover
screws.

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Diesels are better because there's no ignition. Stay away from Hybrids.

As for computer add-ons, sometimes the trip computer can be turned off;
other gadgets may have a fuse you can pull, or connector that can be
disconnected. Sometimes it's not easy but I did disconnect the microwave
transmitter for On-Star once. Even if you don't subscribe to the service
they
still track the vehicle.

Bill

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Are you chemicaly sensitive because those leather seats may be a problem. Leather is not tolerable for me at all. The dyes. Loni

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:18 PM


 



Marc,

Thanks for the info. I think I may be in trouble..... .. I get an Explorer for my work. Like I said because I upgraded to the leather seats the vehicle has all the bells and whistles - all kinds of electronic things I know I will never use. Hopefully because I will not engage them they will be OK for me. I had actually thought of the option of getting the cloth seats and covering my seat with a "plastic" cover. I may need to re-think that.

It's just a reminder to the amount of care and thought we need to use with new purchases of any type.

Thanks again,

Jennie

Jennie Wassenaar

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure

> Were your anxiety symptoms because you were going to travel and you were
> anxious about the trip or because the EMS showed it's self with those
> types of symptoms?

No, this was an EMF-induced anxiety, I got it elsewhere at
times as well.

> Are there different vehicles that are better than others?

I think in general, older vehicles are better, as they have less electronics,
sensors for airbags, etc.

MArc

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I usually choose the back seat too, ha. You're not alone! Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 9:55 PM


 



I often opt for the back seat of a car too, although I have not noticed
specific
symptoms.

Putting foil over a light switch is unlikely to help unless your wiring is
shielded
(which in a commercial building is often the case). Otherwise the wiring is
as bad as the switch once you're a couple inches away. If you do have
shielded
wiring, metal switchplates or foil makes sense. Try to ground it using the
cover
screws.

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Hi, Jason!Back to your original questions (maybe we start a new topic on the vehicle questions?).
I am very sorry to hear about your wife and I can very much relate to your worries, as my partner came down with ES last year. And it's very difficultto feel so helpless in these early stages.But my partner is now back at work, he can cope on an every day level. We think that's because we managed to make the house a safe place for him, where his body can recuperate.We didwhat was suggested by the other group members.Regarding some of your otherquestions:
For him diode lighting/ LED does work, as you might find it difficult to buy tungsten bulbs now. If any of your local shops still have them, stock up now, as tungsten bulbs unfortunately are banned in Britain now.
Regarding switching of the power at night, I heard there are so-called demand switches available. But you should get an expert to put that in, as of course you don't want your fridge freezer to be switched off.
He doesn't use any shielding material to cover whole rooms. We just have itfront of the windows towards a massive mobile mast cluster... We have heard from other sufferers, that they found that paints/ fabrics etc. could make their symptoms worse if they are completely enclosed by shielding materials. On that note it's probably better to try fabric as in a bed canopy first and maybe not to try to paint the walls to start off with the Y-shield paint, as that's difficult to reverse, if it doesn't work for your partner.
On a more hippie sounding level: My partner found lessons in Qi-Gong (similar to Tai-Chi) very useful. As well Reiki and Health-Kinesiology practitioners very particularly helpful in the early stages of the illness. 

All the best
Christina
--- On Mon, 12/10/09, pkshetland <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: pkshetland <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 12 October, 2009, 2:47 AM












 
 




   
Thank you so much, Ian, that's very encouraging. Yes, werealize it is all "one illness," so to speak, and in general, when she's doing better, ALL of her symptoms are better. And lately, when she is crashing harder, she feels the EM symptoms more. Off the bat, what is the best netting to buy, and would covering all the walls in one room be ideal, since she is spends the great majority of her time in one single room?



We've already gotten rid of cordless phones, and she's been using a speakerphone, with mixed results. She often feels symptoms (begins with tinglingof her lips and tongue) after talking on it for a few minutes.



In regards to switching off power, do you mean cutting the circuit breakers?



I have an Trifield meter from Alphalabs, but Nicole can feel things that are undetectable to the meter (even with a 100x external probe), such as a laptop from across the building. I do, however, get high readings from some parts of the house (not her bedroom), and have been curious about how to block things such as the radiation from the power box outside.



I have a few other questions off the top of my head.



Are diodes at all useful, and if so, which ones?



Are amulets useful?



What are the best radios to use, if at all? I want her to be able to keep in touch with the world in some shape or form, other than having me typing this in on her behalf!



best,

Jason


 

     

   
   
       
         
       
       


       


       
       
       
       
       




     

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In a message dated 12/10/2009 10:27:52 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

What are the best radios to use, if at all? I want her to be able to keep
in touch with the world in some shape or form, other than having me typing
this in on her behalf!

best,

Jason




Paul UK replies - Using an AM radio set at 1600khz on white noise can
detect a lot of RF on wiring and telecoms cables, not all AM radios are good at
this you nedd to try a few cheap ones, but you might find at certain times
of the day your telecoms cables/phones can become very messed up with RF so
check with the radio so that you dont use the phone at these times or at
least you keep your distance. Check also your wiring especially in places
where you sit, if the AM radio starts to buzz and growl and sound fax like
then best again to keep your distance. With this you are entering into the
realms of Dirty Power, which the ES afflicted ignore at their peril.


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In a message dated 12/10/2009 06:34:20 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

> has all the bells and whistles - all kinds of electronic things I know I
> will never use. Hopefully because I will not engage them they will be OK
for
> me. I had actually thought of the option of getting the cloth seats and
> covering my seat with a "plastic" cover. I may need to re-think that.
>
> It's just a reminder to the amount of care and thought we need to use
with
> new purchases of any type.
>
> Thanks again,
>
>
> Jennie



Paul uk - when I was high flying with a lerge property company a few years
ago, I purchased a top of the range renualt scenic, this had many
electronics, but having only drove it i/2 mile to test when I actually got to drive
it long distance I realised I had made a big mistake ! Major ES symptoms,
thats when I bought a Trifeild meter which revealed that by the rear veiw
mirror there was a Very high EMF being emitted into my face and head all the
time. I oprted not to drive it and gave it to my wife in return for her
Fiat Punto. However 2 yrs later I had the notion to try to remediate the
problem in the Scenic, In the end all it boiled down to was a fan like
sampling device for the aircon,situated by the rearveiw mirror that is what was
giving me 97% of problems in that car, so I extracted this and problem over
!


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Shoot you could be right. Leather is not a problem fo rm but in my current Explore the interior is tan. In my new one it will be black, I was just thinking it may take more time to off gas the interior. I hope it won't be a long term problem. Because this is a work vehicle I thought through those needs. I didn't think through the EM and MCS needs as well. I think I'll make a comprehensive list of EM and MCS needs so I'll have it when making any type of new purchase.

Thanks,

jw


Jennie Wassenaar






________________________________
From: Loni <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:33:04 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure


Are you chemicaly sensitive because those leather seats may be a problem. Leather is not tolerable for me at all. The dyes. Loni

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net> wrote:

From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:18 PM



Marc,

Thanks for the info. I think I may be in trouble..... .. I get an Explorer for my work. Like I said because I upgraded to the leather seats the vehicle has all the bells and whistles - all kinds of electronic things I know I will never use. Hopefully because I will not engage them they will be OK for me. I had actually thought of the option of getting the cloth seats and covering my seat with a "plastic" cover. I may need to re-think that.

It's just a reminder to the amount of care and thought we need to use with new purchases of any type.

Thanks again,

Jennie

Jennie Wassenaar

____________ _________ _________ __
From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure

> Were your anxiety symptoms because you were going to travel and you were
> anxious about the trip or because the EMS showed it's self with those
> types of symptoms?

No, this was an EMF-induced anxiety, I got it elsewhere at
times as well.

> Are there different vehicles that are better than others?

I think in general, older vehicles are better, as they have less electronics,
sensors for airbags, etc.

MArc

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