question from new member

I use a battery operated radio I bought at Walmart.
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In a message dated 12/10/2009 10:27:52 GMT Daylight Time,
csteils@yahoo. co.uk writes:

What are the best radios to use, if at all? I want her to be able to keep
in touch with the world in some shape or form, other than having me typing
this in on her behalf!

best,

Jason

Paul UK replies - Using an AM radio set at 1600khz on white noise can
detect a lot of RF on wiring and telecoms cables, not all AM radios are good at
this you nedd to try a few cheap ones, but you might find at certain times
of the day your telecoms cables/phones can become very messed up with RF so
check with the radio so that you dont use the phone at these times or at
least you keep your distance. Check also your wiring especially in places
where you sit, if the AM radio starts to buzz and growl and sound fax like
then best again to keep your distance. With this you are entering into the
realms of Dirty Power, which the ES afflicted ignore at their peril.

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Leather smells for years! I bought some black leather couchins & had to return them. Made me very sick. I'd go with clothe. Loni

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Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 6:31 AM


 



Shoot you could be right. Leather is not a problem fo rm but in my current Explore the interior is tan. In my new one it will be black, I was just thinking it may take more time to off gas the interior. I hope it won't be a long term problem. Because this is a work vehicle I thought through those needs. I didn't think through the EM and MCS needs as well. I think I'll makea comprehensive list of EM and MCS needs so I'll have it when making any type of new purchase.

Thanks,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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Are you chemicaly sensitive because those leather seats may be a problem. Leather is not tolerable for me at all. The dyes. Loni

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From: Jennie Wassenaar <ad-in@ameritech. net>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:18 PM

Marc,

Thanks for the info. I think I may be in trouble..... .. I get an Explorer for my work. Like I said because I upgraded to the leather seats the vehicle has all the bells and whistles - all kinds of electronic things I know I will never use. Hopefully because I will not engage them they will be OK for me. I had actually thought of the option of getting the cloth seats and covering my seat with a "plastic" cover. I may need to re-think that.

It's just a reminder to the amount of care and thought we need to use with new purchases of any type.

Thanks again,

Jennie

Jennie Wassenaar

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF exposure

> Were your anxiety symptoms because you were going to travel and you were
> anxious about the trip or because the EMS showed it's self with those
> types of symptoms?

No, this was an EMF-induced anxiety, I got it elsewhere at
times as well.

> Are there different vehicles that are better than others?

I think in general, older vehicles are better, as they have less electronics,
sensors for airbags, etc.

MArc

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Hi Jason,

In addition to some of the other things mentioned above I have found using a foam mattress with no metallic springs to be very helpful (but it might possibly be a severe problem for someone with MCS).Some people also recommend having a bed with no metallic parts but I have no experience of whether this works. An EMF meter might be helpful as then you could measure where the different EMFs are and what increases or decreases them. It also made a big difference to me moving my bedside lamp away completely as even if it was just plugged in but not switched on it had a very high electrical field.

Best wishes
Jodie

Thanks Jodie, very good points. As well as bedside lamps one must also
watch out for mains-connected radio alarm clocks etc which also emit fields.
Battery units are usually OK - dc power does not produce the cyclic magnetic
and electric fields that result from ac mains.

Sue got a foam mattress and we did indeed need to give it a month or so to
offgas, but after that she definitely felt an improvement from it for some
years. She is now well enough to sleep on an ordinary sprung mattress again
though :-)

Ian

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Hi Jason,

In addition to some of the other things mentioned above I have found using a
foam mattress with no metallic springs to be very helpful (but it might
possibly be a severe problem for someone with MCS).Some people also
recommend having a bed with no metallic parts but I have no experience of
whether this works. An EMF meter might be helpful as then you could measure
where the different EMFs are and what increases or decreases them. It also
made a big difference to me moving my bedside lamp away completely as even
if it was just plugged in but not switched on it had a very high electrical
field.

Best wishes
Jodie






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Not all electronic gizmos in cars can be easily switched off. Increasing
numbers have things like Bluetooth sensors built in. For Sue we found that
problem areas were the loudspeakers in doors and, above all, central
locking. Ignition systems etc were relatively harmless by comparison. We
found a 15 year old car for her to drive around in - no central locking, and
carburettor and contact breaker points rather than modern
computer-controlled fuel injection and electronic ignition. Recently we've
been able to get a 7 year old bottom of the range model with no central
locking and she finds that benign as well. Again, different people react in
different ways.

Ian

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Jennie Wassenaar
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Marc,

Thanks for the info. I think I may be in trouble....... I get an Explorer
for my work. Like I said because I upgraded to the leather seats the vehicle
has all the bells and whistles - all kinds of electronic things I know I
will never use. Hopefully because I will not engage them they will be OK for
me. I had actually thought of the option of getting the cloth seats and
covering my seat with a "plastic" cover. I may need to re-think that.

It's just a reminder to the amount of care and thought we need to use with
new purchases of any type.

Thanks again,

Jennie

Jennie Wassenaar

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From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. <mailto:marc%40ufoseries.com> com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF
exposure

> Were your anxiety symptoms because you were going to travel and you were
> anxious about the trip or because the EMS showed it's self with those
> types of symptoms?

No, this was an EMF-induced anxiety, I got it elsewhere at
times as well.

> Are there different vehicles that are better than others?

I think in general, older vehicles are better, as they have less
electronics,
sensors for airbags, etc.

MArc

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The "foil over the light swittch" idea came about when we borrowed an
electric/magnetic field meter and were surprised how high the fields were
close to the light switch. The measured field dropped off quite a bit when
we covered the switch, and the field from wires in the walls was quite a bit
lower. Also, sitting in a direct line with an uncovered light switch or
thermostat seemed to have a specific effect on Sue - she would get a pain in
the part of her head facing the source. Maybe not true for everyone, but it
seemed to happen with her.

Ian

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Bruno
Sent: 12 October 2009 05:56
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exposure




I often opt for the back seat of a car too, although I have not noticed
specific
symptoms.

Putting foil over a light switch is unlikely to help unless your wiring is
shielded
(which in a commercial building is often the case). Otherwise the wiring is
as bad as the switch once you're a couple inches away. If you do have
shielded
wiring, metal switchplates or foil makes sense. Try to ground it using the
cover
screws.

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> for my work. Like I said because I upgraded to the leather seats the
vehicle
> has all the bells and whistles - all kinds of electronic things I know I
> will never use. Hopefully because I will not engage them they will be OK
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Hi Jason,
We used a metallic netting from EMFields/Powerwatch in the UK. I think they
now call it the Bobbinet. Presumably there is a US equivalent - can anyone
confirm? Their Electrosmog Detector is sold in the US, I believe via
LessEmf.

The shielding netting was very lightweight, and we have found this is a big
plus, as we can easily try putting it on walls (with adhesive tape) and
moving it as necessary - so we were able to avoid having to use shielding
paint, which was good for the house decoration! We can also take it with us
if we stay with parents. We also originally bought a bed canopy which is
similar material but found it difficult to earth effectively - so ended up
using it as extra wall screening! To keep costs down we just used the
electrosmog detector to find the direction of the major signals (from a mast
and a neighbour's cordless phone) and screened local sections against those
- you could hear the signal fall to almost nothing as you fixed the
screening material in place. The main signals travel in straight lines.
Windows can be particularly important, as they don't absorb microwave
signals like walls do.

It's a fairly basic approach but obeys the Pareto 80/20 rule - it cut Sue's
exposure noticeably and was relatively quick, cheap and simple.

Ian

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Sent: 12 October 2009 02:47
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Subject: [eSens] Re: question from new member - quick actions to cut EMF
exposure




Thank you so much, Ian, that's very encouraging. Yes, we realize it is all
"one illness," so to speak, and in general, when she's doing better, ALL of
her symptoms are better. And lately, when she is crashing harder, she feels
the EM symptoms more. Off the bat, what is the best netting to buy, and
would covering all the walls in one room be ideal, since she is spends the
great majority of her time in one single room?

We've already gotten rid of cordless phones, and she's been using a speaker
phone, with mixed results. She often feels symptoms (begins with tingling of
her lips and tongue) after talking on it for a few minutes.

In regards to switching off power, do you mean cutting the circuit breakers?

I have an Trifield meter from Alphalabs, but Nicole can feel things that are
undetectable to the meter (even with a 100x external probe), such as a
laptop from across the building. I do, however, get high readings from some
parts of the house (not her bedroom), and have been curious about how to
block things such as the radiation from the power box outside.

I have a few other questions off the top of my head.

Are diodes at all useful, and if so, which ones?

Are amulets useful?

What are the best radios to use, if at all? I want her to be able to keep in
touch with the world in some shape or form, other than having me typing this
in on her behalf!

best,
Jason





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Yes, we kill the power at night by flicking off the circuit breaker switch.
We had to learn to rely less on the freezer, although we have now had the
fusebox rewired so that we can leave power on overnight in an outhouse with
a fridge/freezer. Some people have gone the opposite way and built a
shielded, electrically isolated room to sleep in.
Ian

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exposure




Thank you so much, Ian, that's very encouraging. Yes, we realize it is all
"one illness," so to speak, and in general, when she's doing better, ALL of
her symptoms are better. And lately, when she is crashing harder, she feels
the EM symptoms more. Off the bat, what is the best netting to buy, and
would covering all the walls in one room be ideal, since she is spends the
great majority of her time in one single room?

We've already gotten rid of cordless phones, and she's been using a speaker
phone, with mixed results. She often feels symptoms (begins with tingling of
her lips and tongue) after talking on it for a few minutes.

In regards to switching off power, do you mean cutting the circuit breakers?

I have an Trifield meter from Alphalabs, but Nicole can feel things that are
undetectable to the meter (even with a 100x external probe), such as a
laptop from across the building. I do, however, get high readings from some
parts of the house (not her bedroom), and have been curious about how to
block things such as the radiation from the power box outside.

I have a few other questions off the top of my head.

Are diodes at all useful, and if so, which ones?

Are amulets useful?

What are the best radios to use, if at all? I want her to be able to keep in
touch with the world in some shape or form, other than having me typing this
in on her behalf!

best,
Jason





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These electric locks probably just use solenoids so it's a significant
magnetic field but probably only pulses briefly when locking or unlocking.
Is that when she is affected?

My old Mercedes has central locking but it is vacuum powered; no electricity
involved. If there is any slight leak in the system then it only works with
the engine
running or just after the engine is switched off.

I suppose the newest cars may use wireless rather than wires to control the
locks?

Bill

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Hi, Jason,
 
I do a number of things....  One of the best helps when I was bad was unplugging everything when it was not in use (that could be unplugged.  Obviously, you wouldn't want to do this with the fridge, but I did unplug the fridge during making/eating dinner when I was particularly bad.)  Also, I kept rubber gloves to switch on lamps, plug and unplug things, and screw lightbulbs in and out with, as I had problems with shocks and blowing bulbs when I switched lamps on, etc. 
 
I am MCS too, so I have opted for sleeping on an air mattress.  If your bedroom is not above a heated basement or room, you will need to get a platform to put your airbed on or you will get cold (Ikea used to have thesewith wooden slats) or put it on some thick cotton rugs.   I had to outgas the vinyl bed for several months in my garage, but now it works well. 
 
Hanging out near lakes, rivers, oceans, large bodies of water is often helpful if you can.  Also in large forests, if trees do not bother you.  I cannot be among cedars, but other evergreens don't bother me and I really perk up there.  I actually sit on the ground and "ground" myself near water or in forests, weather permitting.  Energy exercises help me, such as those found in the book: "Energy Medicine" by Donna Eden.  (I have the Yellow book.)  You can check it out here:
 
http://www.innersource.net/energy_medicine/healing_videos_em.htm
 
More info of the type you will find in the book is here:

http://www.innersource.net/energy_medicine_faq/energy_medicine_QA_environmental_illness.htm

Just a few ideas off the top of my head.  I recently wrote a summary of all the things which have helped me for another e-bud.  If you would like a copy, ask privately and I will send it to you.  (It has been circulated for the rest of the forum before, so is old news.)  I am huge on supplementation.  I take some of the same types of supplements Marc does, but often not the same brands, plus other supplements which help various of my ems symptoms.
 
Good luck; I wish you well,
Diane
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Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 5:42 PM


 



Hi Jason,

In addition to some of the other things mentioned above I have found using a foam mattress with no metallic springs to be very helpful (but it might possibly be a severe problem for someone with MCS).Some people also recommend having a bed with no metallic parts but I have no experience of whether this works. An EMF meter might be helpful as then you could measure where the different EMFs are and what increases or decreases them. It also made a big difference to me moving my bedside lamp away completely as even if it was just plugged in but not switched on it had a very high electrical field.

Best wishes
Jodie

















     

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Hi Bill, what you say about central locking certainly seems logical, but our
experience was that Sue got pains in the side of her head nearest the
locking point which got worse the longer a journey went on, and the angle
seemed to alter depending on whether she sat in the front or the back. So
it seems to be a continuous effect,but I can't tell you why!

I'm sure she'd be OK with your Mercedes' vacuum locking system - what a neat
idea. But, like all the vacuum pipes round carburettors to sense load and
rebalance mixture, it's been superseded by the relentless march of
electronics ...

Ian

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Bruno
Sent: 13 October 2009 17:21
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: question from new member - cars




These electric locks probably just use solenoids so it's a significant
magnetic field but probably only pulses briefly when locking or unlocking.
Is that when she is affected?

My old Mercedes has central locking but it is vacuum powered; no electricity
involved. If there is any slight leak in the system then it only works with
the engine
running or just after the engine is switched off.

I suppose the newest cars may use wireless rather than wires to control the
locks?

Bill

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