new to group, grounding apparatus

>
> Dear Group,
>
> I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homesfor the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to MultipleChemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has becomeapparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
>
> I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
>
> On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
>
> Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
> Mary
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hey Mary,
>
> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
>
> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> http://reshelter.org/
>
> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
>
> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs…
>
> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> -Qlink
> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> -Bioprotect card
> -filters
> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection…)
> -… other crazy stuff ;-)
>
> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
>
> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,… I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low onminerals...
>
> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
>
> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
>
> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
>
> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
>
> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
>
> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
>
> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping… Thereare always side effects when working with metal…
>
> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewherelinked with my body… Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thingI think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf…
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> >
> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
> >
> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working onit), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and pluginto a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> >
> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Mary
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>
> Thank you Marc and Stephen. That's brilliant, about the metal springs inthe mattress. That had not occurred to me yet. This is a furnished temporary room, though. But I will remember that for all future bedrooms.
>
> That is interesting, about side effects when using metal. I would like to hear more about that. I will try to surf the archives, but I can't spendmuch time in front of the computer.
>
> Please let me know, if you try the grounding bands, Stephen.
>
> What I'd most like to hear, is if people have had success with these products, before I buy them. Thank you for the messages about bed grounding. I will look at them.
>
> Does anyone have experience with the expensive bed canopies that you hangaround your bed?
>
> I bought a $7.49 gadget today, to see if my outlets were grounded. They are not. So I'd have to put a metal rod in the ground outside. It would be about 40-50 feet of wire, to do so!
>
> Well, I'm wiped out, but wanted to thank you for the kind responses.
>
> -Sue
>
> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Mary,
> >
> > Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
> >
> > There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> > http://reshelter.org/
> >
> > Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
> >
> > -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
> > -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> > -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs…
> >
> > You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> > -Qlink
> > -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> > -Bioprotect card
> > -filters
> > -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection…)
> > -… other crazy stuff ;-)
> >
> > You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
> >
> > Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,… I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low on minerals...
> >
> > About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
> >
> > Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
> >
> > Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
> >
> > Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
> >
> > Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) usingan expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
> >
> > I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! Inthe future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
> >
> > Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping… There are always side effects when working with metal…
> >
> > I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body… Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf…
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Group,
> > >
> > > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> > >
> > > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside ofBerkeley.
> > >
> > > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would ittake away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> > >
> > > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Mary
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

>
> Against cell phone/radio towers, one relatively inexpensive solution for
> a temporary solution is:
> http://www.uline.com/BL_54/Static-Shielding-Rolls
> Using just Staples 3M poster tape, you can very quickly install it as
> temporary wallpaper. Sometimes it falls off after a while, but then I
> just reapply more poster tape. Caveat is the appearance. When I put it
> up in my room, I have each subsequent piece overlap the previous one by
> about 3 inches. Any gap could be the weakest link that potentially
> invalidates the whole thing.
>
> Note that it works by reflection of the wireless radiation, so you have
> to put it in the right place so that it will actually reflect it away
> from you rather than toward you. I would recommend using a meter to
> test its effectiveness (e.g., Cornet from lessemf.com). Good thing is
> that it's temporary, so if you make a mistake, or if a neighbor moves in
> on the other side with wireless radiation, you can take it down.
>
> When I travel and stay in hotels, however, I use silver nylon shielding
> cloth instead (shieldextrading.net), to very quickly attach to curtains
> with a plastic clip. Sometimes it helps, if the only source is from
> outside the building, but if there's indoor Wi-Fi also, then I may need
> an enclosure with 4 sides... This is more expensive, but easier to set
> up and pack into my luggage. Sometimes, it's too strong in the hotel,
> and this isn't good enough. However, if you get the room furthest away
> from the Wi-Fi routers, e.g., at the center between 2 of them, it can be
> low enough that the shielding helps.
>
> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary
> homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to
> Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It
> has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to
> electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields
> coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely
> disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home.
> I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been
> trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet
> installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio
> towers is less.
> >
> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my
> current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match
> outside of Berkeley.
> >
> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working
> on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and
> plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful?
> Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night
> while I sleep?
> >
> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation
> would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Mary
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>
> Dear Group,
>
> I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
>
> I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
>
> On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
>
> Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
> Mary
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hello Stephen,
>
> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
>
> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back through the ground.
>
> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> It is possible to make the situation worse.
>
> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur,and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltagesin the ground.
>
> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
>
>
> Hey Mary,
>
> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
>
> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> http://reshelter.org/
>
> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
>
> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs.
>
> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> -Qlink
> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> -Bioprotect card
> -filters
> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
>
> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
>
> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low on minerals...
>
> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
>
> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
>
> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
>
> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
>
> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
>
> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
>
> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
>
> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewherelinked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing Ithink, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> >
> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
> >
> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working onit), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and pluginto a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> >
> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Mary
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hello Stephen,
>
> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
>
> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back through the ground.
>
> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> It is possible to make the situation worse.
>
> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur,and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltagesin the ground.
>
> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
>
>
> Hey Mary,
>
> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
>
> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> http://reshelter.org/
>
> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
>
> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs.
>
> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> -Qlink
> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> -Bioprotect card
> -filters
> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
>
> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
>
> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low on minerals...
>
> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
>
> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
>
> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
>
> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
>
> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
>
> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
>
> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
>
> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewherelinked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing Ithink, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> >
> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
> >
> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working onit), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and pluginto a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> >
> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Mary
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> Oh well that's good to know! I've added the books on my to-read-list!
>
> Could you advise me a specialist here in Belgium/Netherlands who could check and improve my house for grounding, electric wiring,...
>
> I live 30 minutes away from Gent,
>
> thanks,
> gr,
> Stephen.
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Stephen,
>>
>> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
>>
>> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back through the ground.
>>
>> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
>> It is possible to make the situation worse.
>>
>> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
>> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltages in the ground.
>>
>> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
>> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
>>
>>
>> Hey Mary,
>>
>> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
>>
>> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
>> http://reshelter.org/
>>
>> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
>>
>> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
>> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
>> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs.
>>
>> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
>> -Qlink
>> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
>> -Bioprotect card
>> -filters
>> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
>> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
>>
>> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
>>
>> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low on minerals...
>>
>> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
>>
>> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
>>
>> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
>>
>> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
>>
>> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
>>
>> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
>>
>> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
>>
>> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
>>
>> Stephen.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Group,
>> >
>> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
>> >
>> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
>> >
>> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
>> >
>> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Mary
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

> Charles,
>
> I understand there are places that have their powerlines underground, for aesthetic reasons, I would imagine -- is this the underground electricity that you are referring to? If so, it makes me sad. That's really tampering with the earth's healing energy fields.
>
> Group,
>
> I think all the electrosmog above ground is tampering with our abilities to connect with each other and the earth and the animals, etc. I think people with psychic ability may notice this even more. There's a book about psychic ability and electrical fields which I'm intending to read.
>
> -Sue
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Stephen,
>>
>> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
>>
>> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back through the ground.
>>
>> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
>> It is possible to make the situation worse.
>>
>> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
>> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltages in the ground.
>>
>> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
>> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
>>
>>
>> Hey Mary,
>>
>> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
>>
>> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
>> http://reshelter.org/
>>
>> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
>>
>> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
>> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
>> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs.
>>
>> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
>> -Qlink
>> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
>> -Bioprotect card
>> -filters
>> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
>> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
>>
>> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
>>
>> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low on minerals...
>>
>> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
>>
>> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
>>
>> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
>>
>> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
>>
>> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
>>
>> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
>>
>> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
>>
>> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
>>
>> Stephen.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Group,
>> >
>> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
>> >
>> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
>> >
>> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
>> >
>> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Mary
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

> Oh well that's good to know! I've added the books on my to-read-list!
>
> Could you advise me a specialist here in Belgium/Netherlands who could check and improve my house for grounding, electric wiring,...
>
> I live 30 minutes away from Gent,
>
> thanks,
> gr,
> Stephen.
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Stephen,
>>
>> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
>>
>> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back through the ground.
>>
>> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
>> It is possible to make the situation worse.
>>
>> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
>> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltages in the ground.
>>
>> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
>> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
>>
>>
>> Hey Mary,
>>
>> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
>>
>> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
>> http://reshelter.org/
>>
>> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
>>
>> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
>> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
>> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs.
>>
>> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
>> -Qlink
>> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
>> -Bioprotect card
>> -filters
>> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
>> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
>>
>> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
>>
>> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low on minerals...
>>
>> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
>>
>> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
>>
>> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
>>
>> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
>>
>> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
>>
>> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
>>
>> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
>>
>> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
>>
>> Stephen.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Group,
>> >
>> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
>> >
>> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
>> >
>> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
>> >
>> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thank you,
>> > Mary
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>
> Hello Sue,
>
> no it is not the powerlines underground.
> Those cables are normally very good insulated.
>
> I mean the normal electricity, where you have a phase (+) and a neutral (-).
>
> In the USA 70 % of this neutral goed back to the powerstation, not by cables, but through the ground.
>
> That way you may have a lot of stray currents, which a grounding rod may pick up, and bringe those unwanted back into the house.
>
> Most electrosensitives do have some psychic abilities.
> They are paranormal; they *see* things, they *know* things.
> it is because of their sensibilty, that other properties are refind also.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:54 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
>
>
> > Charles,
> >
> > I understand there are places that have their powerlines underground, for aesthetic reasons, I would imagine -- is this the underground electricity that you are referring to? If so, it makes me sad. That's really tampering with the earth's healing energy fields.
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > I think all the electrosmog above ground is tampering with our abilities to connect with each other and the earth and the animals, etc. I think people with psychic ability may notice this even more. There's a book aboutpsychic ability and electrical fields which I'm intending to read.
> >
> > -Sue
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Stephen,
> >>
> >> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
> >>
> >> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back throughthe ground.
> >>
> >> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> >> It is possible to make the situation worse.
> >>
> >> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> >> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltages in the ground.
> >>
> >> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >> Charles Claessens
> >> member Verband Baubiologie
> >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> >> www.milieuziektes.be
> >> www.hetbitje.nl
> >> checked by Norton
> >>  
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> >> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Mary,
> >>
> >> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are...hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
> >>
> >> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> >> http://reshelter.org/
> >>
> >> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
> >>
> >> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doingso!)
> >> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> >> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metalsprings.
> >>
> >> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> >> -Qlink
> >> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> >> -Bioprotect card
> >> -filters
> >> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> >> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
> >>
> >> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
> >>
> >> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low on minerals...
> >>
> >> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
> >>
> >> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
> >>
> >> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
> >>
> >> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
> >>
> >> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
> >>
> >> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour itseems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
> >>
> >> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
> >>
> >> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. Ifyou can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
> >>
> >> Stephen.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear Group,
> >> >
> >> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, asI stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> >> >
> >> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
> >> >
> >> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is workingon it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> >> >
> >> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> > Mary
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hello Sue,
>
> no it is not the powerlines underground.
> Those cables are normally very good insulated.
>
> I mean the normal electricity, where you have a phase (+) and a neutral (-).
>
> In the USA 70 % of this neutral goed back to the powerstation, not by cables, but through the ground.
>
> That way you may have a lot of stray currents, which a grounding rod may pick up, and bringe those unwanted back into the house.
>
> Most electrosensitives do have some psychic abilities.
> They are paranormal; they *see* things, they *know* things.
> it is because of their sensibilty, that other properties are refind also.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:54 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
>
>
> > Charles,
> >
> > I understand there are places that have their powerlines underground, for aesthetic reasons, I would imagine -- is this the underground electricity that you are referring to? If so, it makes me sad. That's really tampering with the earth's healing energy fields.
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > I think all the electrosmog above ground is tampering with our abilities to connect with each other and the earth and the animals, etc. I think people with psychic ability may notice this even more. There's a book aboutpsychic ability and electrical fields which I'm intending to read.
> >
> > -Sue
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Stephen,
> >>
> >> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
> >>
> >> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back throughthe ground.
> >>
> >> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> >> It is possible to make the situation worse.
> >>
> >> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> >> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltages in the ground.
> >>
> >> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >> Charles Claessens
> >> member Verband Baubiologie
> >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> >> www.milieuziektes.be
> >> www.hetbitje.nl
> >> checked by Norton
> >>  
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> >> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Mary,
> >>
> >> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are...hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
> >>
> >> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> >> http://reshelter.org/
> >>
> >> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
> >>
> >> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doingso!)
> >> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> >> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metalsprings.
> >>
> >> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> >> -Qlink
> >> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> >> -Bioprotect card
> >> -filters
> >> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> >> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
> >>
> >> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
> >>
> >> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low on minerals...
> >>
> >> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
> >>
> >> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
> >>
> >> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
> >>
> >> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
> >>
> >> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
> >>
> >> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour itseems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
> >>
> >> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
> >>
> >> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. Ifyou can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
> >>
> >> Stephen.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear Group,
> >> >
> >> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, asI stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> >> >
> >> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
> >> >
> >> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is workingon it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> >> >
> >> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> > Mary
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Dear Group,
>
> Because I cannot find long-term safe housing, I move a lot, from one temporary place to the next.
>
> I have been referred to the book Earthing, which is the book behind the company Barefoot Connections, which sells the products to ground the body. The book itself highly recommends walking barefoot on the earth, to align with the earth's electrical fields. I am wondering, given Charles's information about stray currents in the ground, how one would know, when one was walking barefoot, whether the earth had harmful stray currents where one waswalking. Are there certain areas where harmful currents are more likely to be found? Could one use a body voltage meter, to determine whether the ground one was walking on was safe and beneficial, eletrically? Finally, isthere a meter one could buy, so that one could determine for oneself, whether a grounding rod planted in the ground was not bringing dirty currents into the house? I have a Tri-Field Meter and an RF Meter. I move a lot, and I can't afford electricians. I was hoping I could learn myself, how to measure these things. Can anyone recommend a book about grounding basics that includes information about this issue specifically? Would the 2 books recommended by Charles be most helpful?
>
> Thank you for any recommendations.
>
> -Sue
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Sue,
> >
> > no it is not the powerlines underground.
> > Those cables are normally very good insulated.
> >
> > I mean the normal electricity, where you have a phase (+) and a neutral(-).
> >
> > In the USA 70 % of this neutral goed back to the powerstation, not by cables, but through the ground.
> >
> > That way you may have a lot of stray currents, which a grounding rod may pick up, and bringe those unwanted back into the house.
> >
> > Most electrosensitives do have some psychic abilities.
> > They are paranormal; they *see* things, they *know* things.
> > it is because of their sensibilty, that other properties are refind also.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:54 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> >
> >
> > > Charles,
> > >
> > > I understand there are places that have their powerlines underground,for aesthetic reasons, I would imagine -- is this the underground electricity that you are referring to? If so, it makes me sad. That's really tampering with the earth's healing energy fields.
> > >
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > I think all the electrosmog above ground is tampering with our abilities to connect with each other and the earth and the animals, etc. I thinkpeople with psychic ability may notice this even more. There's a book about psychic ability and electrical fields which I'm intending to read.
> > >
> > > -Sue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello Stephen,
> > >>
> > >> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
> > >>
> > >> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back through the ground.
> > >>
> > >> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> > >> It is possible to make the situation worse.
> > >>
> > >> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> > >> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltages in the ground.
> > >>
> > >> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
> > >>
> > >> Greetings,
> > >> Charles Claessens
> > >> member Verband Baubiologie
> > >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > >> www.milieuziektes.be
> > >> www.hetbitje.nl
> > >> checked by Norton
> > >>  
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > >> To: <[hidden email]>
> > >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> > >> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hey Mary,
> > >>
> > >> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
> > >>
> > >> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> > >> http://reshelter.org/
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
> > >>
> > >> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
> > >> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> > >> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs.
> > >>
> > >> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> > >> -Qlink
> > >> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> > >> -Bioprotect card
> > >> -filters
> > >> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> > >> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
> > >>
> > >> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in oldermessages on specific keywords.
> > >>
> > >> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very lowon minerals...
> > >>
> > >> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
> > >>
> > >> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of adifferent mattress?):
> > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
> > >>
> > >> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
> > >>
> > >> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
> > >>
> > >> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
> > >>
> > >> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltagesomehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster!In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
> > >>
> > >> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
> > >>
> > >> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because thenyou'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
> > >>
> > >> Stephen.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Dear Group,
> > >> >
> > >> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It hasbecome apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back toMarin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make mycurrent place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outsideof Berkeley.
> > >> >
> > >> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body andplug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Wouldit take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> > >> >
> > >> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thank you,
> > >> > Mary
> > >> >
> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

>
> Sue, about barefoot walking in your house, I think:
>
> -no heating installed in the floor
> -cork is great I think for a lot of reasons
> -wooden floor or tiles must be good (although I should watch out with chemicals to treat the floor with if you're so sensitive)
> -carpets are not so good emf-wise (and for allergies)
>
> Will you go barefoot walking in the streets too? Good luck!
>
> I would say if you're walking in the woods, mostly there won't be so muchelectricity in the ground, or this all depends?!
>
> I have checked the house that I'm renting here for geopathic stress lines. It seems important you don't put your bed on top of a geopathic stress line. You have to pay sb to do that or you'll have to take a lot of lessons.
>
> About the grounding rod: I don't know either how to measure the dirty electricity... I'll know more in one month...
>
> gr,
> Stephen.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Group,
> >
> > Because I cannot find long-term safe housing, I move a lot, from one temporary place to the next.
> >
> > I have been referred to the book Earthing, which is the book behind thecompany Barefoot Connections, which sells the products to ground the body.The book itself highly recommends walking barefoot on the earth, to alignwith the earth's electrical fields. I am wondering, given Charles's information about stray currents in the ground, how one would know, when one waswalking barefoot, whether the earth had harmful stray currents where one was walking. Are there certain areas where harmful currents are more likelyto be found? Could one use a body voltage meter, to determine whether theground one was walking on was safe and beneficial, eletrically? Finally, is there a meter one could buy, so that one could determine for oneself, whether a grounding rod planted in the ground was not bringing dirty currentsinto the house? I have a Tri-Field Meter and an RF Meter. I move a lot, and I can't afford electricians. I was hoping I could learn myself, how tomeasure these things. Can anyone recommend a book about grounding basics that includes information about this issue specifically? Would the 2 booksrecommended by Charles be most helpful?
> >
> > Thank you for any recommendations.
> >
> > -Sue
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Sue,
> > >
> > > no it is not the powerlines underground.
> > > Those cables are normally very good insulated.
> > >
> > > I mean the normal electricity, where you have a phase (+) and a neutral (-).
> > >
> > > In the USA 70 % of this neutral goed back to the powerstation, not by cables, but through the ground.
> > >
> > > That way you may have a lot of stray currents, which a grounding rod may pick up, and bringe those unwanted back into the house.
> > >
> > > Most electrosensitives do have some psychic abilities.
> > > They are paranormal; they *see* things, they *know* things.
> > > it is because of their sensibilty, that other properties are refind also.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@>
> > > To: <[hidden email]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:54 PM
> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> > >
> > >
> > > > Charles,
> > > >
> > > > I understand there are places that have their powerlines underground, for aesthetic reasons, I would imagine -- is this the underground electricity that you are referring to? If so, it makes me sad. That's really tampering with the earth's healing energy fields.
> > > >
> > > > Group,
> > > >
> > > > I think all the electrosmog above ground is tampering with our abilities to connect with each other and the earth and the animals, etc. I think people with psychic ability may notice this even more. There's a book about psychic ability and electrical fields which I'm intending to read.
> > > >
> > > > -Sue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hello Stephen,
> > > >>
> > > >> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
> > > >>
> > > >> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back through the ground.
> > > >>
> > > >> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> > > >> It is possible to make the situation worse.
> > > >>
> > > >> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> > > >> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltages in the ground.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to besure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
> > > >>
> > > >> Greetings,
> > > >> Charles Claessens
> > > >> member Verband Baubiologie
> > > >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > >> www.milieuziektes.be
> > > >> www.hetbitje.nl
> > > >> checked by Norton
> > > >>  
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > > >> To: <[hidden email]>
> > > >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> > > >> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Hey Mary,
> > > >>
> > > >> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
> > > >>
> > > >> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> > > >> http://reshelter.org/
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
> > > >>
> > > >> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
> > > >> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> > > >> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs.
> > > >>
> > > >> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> > > >> -Qlink
> > > >> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> > > >> -Bioprotect card
> > > >> -filters
> > > >> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> > > >> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
> > > >>
> > > >> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
> > > >>
> > > >> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low on minerals...
> > > >>
> > > >> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
> > > >>
> > > >> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because ofa different mattress?):
> > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
> > > >>
> > > >> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
> > > >>
> > > >> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
> > > >>
> > > >> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
> > > >>
> > > >> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) andafter 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my"body voltage" lowers a bit...
> > > >>
> > > >> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
> > > >>
> > > >> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
> > > >>
> > > >> Stephen.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Dear Group,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due toMultiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing throughmy body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability toconcentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated andoften distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thank you,
> > > >> > Mary
> > > >> >
> > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>