new to group, grounding apparatus

>
> Stephen,
>
> I understand wood is not a conductor, so walking barefoot in one's house wouldn't help much?
>
> I did walk barefoot in the park yesterday (dirt and grass). I didn't notice a lot while I was doing it, though I remember thinking I felt calm, andI remember shivers going up my spine and in my brain a bit. But as soon as I put my sneakers back on, and walked home on the sidewalks, my brain inflammation seemed to suddenly appear again, and my overwhelming sense of agitation and tension seemed to begin again. So, maybe grounding myself on the earth did really help. I have more experimenting to do.
>
> Let me know when you start learning the science of grounding rods better...
>
> All best,
> Sue
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> > Sue, about barefoot walking in your house, I think:
> >
> > -no heating installed in the floor
> > -cork is great I think for a lot of reasons
> > -wooden floor or tiles must be good (although I should watch out with chemicals to treat the floor with if you're so sensitive)
> > -carpets are not so good emf-wise (and for allergies)
> >
> > Will you go barefoot walking in the streets too? Good luck!
> >
> > I would say if you're walking in the woods, mostly there won't be so much electricity in the ground, or this all depends?!
> >
> > I have checked the house that I'm renting here for geopathic stress lines. It seems important you don't put your bed on top of a geopathic stress line. You have to pay sb to do that or you'll have to take a lot of lessons.
> >
> > About the grounding rod: I don't know either how to measure the dirty electricity... I'll know more in one month...
> >
> > gr,
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Group,
> > >
> > > Because I cannot find long-term safe housing, I move a lot, from one temporary place to the next.
> > >
> > > I have been referred to the book Earthing, which is the book behind the company Barefoot Connections, which sells the products to ground the body. The book itself highly recommends walking barefoot on the earth, to align with the earth's electrical fields. I am wondering, given Charles's information about stray currents in the ground, how one would know, when one was walking barefoot, whether the earth had harmful stray currents where onewas walking. Are there certain areas where harmful currents are more likely to be found? Could one use a body voltage meter, to determine whether the ground one was walking on was safe and beneficial, eletrically? Finally, is there a meter one could buy, so that one could determine for oneself, whether a grounding rod planted in the ground was not bringing dirty currents into the house? I have a Tri-Field Meter and an RF Meter. I move a lot, and I can't afford electricians. I was hoping I could learn myself, how to measure these things. Can anyone recommend a book about grounding basics that includes information about this issue specifically? Would the 2 books recommended by Charles be most helpful?
> > >
> > > Thank you for any recommendations.
> > >
> > > -Sue
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Sue,
> > > >
> > > > no it is not the powerlines underground.
> > > > Those cables are normally very good insulated.
> > > >
> > > > I mean the normal electricity, where you have a phase (+) and a neutral (-).
> > > >
> > > > In the USA 70 % of this neutral goed back to the powerstation, notby cables, but through the ground.
> > > >
> > > > That way you may have a lot of stray currents, which a grounding rod may pick up, and bringe those unwanted back into the house.
> > > >
> > > > Most electrosensitives do have some psychic abilities.
> > > > They are paranormal; they *see* things, they *know* things.
> > > > it is because of their sensibilty, that other properties are refindalso.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > checked by Norton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@>
> > > > To: <[hidden email]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:54 PM
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Charles,
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand there are places that have their powerlines underground, for aesthetic reasons, I would imagine -- is this the underground electricity that you are referring to? If so, it makes me sad. That's really tampering with the earth's healing energy fields.
> > > > >
> > > > > Group,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think all the electrosmog above ground is tampering with our abilities to connect with each other and the earth and the animals, etc. I think people with psychic ability may notice this even more. There's a bookabout psychic ability and electrical fields which I'm intending to read.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Sue
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hello Stephen,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back through the ground.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> > > > >> It is possible to make the situation worse.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by PaulBrodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> > > > >> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of strayvoltages in the ground.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Greetings,
> > > > >> Charles Claessens
> > > > >> member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > >> www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > >> www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > >> checked by Norton
> > > > >>  
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > > > >> To: <[hidden email]>
> > > > >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> > > > >> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hey Mary,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> > > > >> http://reshelter.org/
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck indoing so!)
> > > > >> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> > > > >> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has gotmetal springs.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> > > > >> -Qlink
> > > > >> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> > > > >> -Bioprotect card
> > > > >> -filters
> > > > >> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> > > > >> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was verylow on minerals...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
> > > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> > > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> > > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Stephen.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Dear Group,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). Ithas become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your bodyand plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thank you,
> > > > >> > Mary
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Stephen,
>
> I understand wood is not a conductor, so walking barefoot in one's house wouldn't help much?
>
> I did walk barefoot in the park yesterday (dirt and grass). I didn't notice a lot while I was doing it, though I remember thinking I felt calm, andI remember shivers going up my spine and in my brain a bit. But as soon as I put my sneakers back on, and walked home on the sidewalks, my brain inflammation seemed to suddenly appear again, and my overwhelming sense of agitation and tension seemed to begin again. So, maybe grounding myself on the earth did really help. I have more experimenting to do.
>
> Let me know when you start learning the science of grounding rods better...
>
> All best,
> Sue
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> > Sue, about barefoot walking in your house, I think:
> >
> > -no heating installed in the floor
> > -cork is great I think for a lot of reasons
> > -wooden floor or tiles must be good (although I should watch out with chemicals to treat the floor with if you're so sensitive)
> > -carpets are not so good emf-wise (and for allergies)
> >
> > Will you go barefoot walking in the streets too? Good luck!
> >
> > I would say if you're walking in the woods, mostly there won't be so much electricity in the ground, or this all depends?!
> >
> > I have checked the house that I'm renting here for geopathic stress lines. It seems important you don't put your bed on top of a geopathic stress line. You have to pay sb to do that or you'll have to take a lot of lessons.
> >
> > About the grounding rod: I don't know either how to measure the dirty electricity... I'll know more in one month...
> >
> > gr,
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Group,
> > >
> > > Because I cannot find long-term safe housing, I move a lot, from one temporary place to the next.
> > >
> > > I have been referred to the book Earthing, which is the book behind the company Barefoot Connections, which sells the products to ground the body. The book itself highly recommends walking barefoot on the earth, to align with the earth's electrical fields. I am wondering, given Charles's information about stray currents in the ground, how one would know, when one was walking barefoot, whether the earth had harmful stray currents where onewas walking. Are there certain areas where harmful currents are more likely to be found? Could one use a body voltage meter, to determine whether the ground one was walking on was safe and beneficial, eletrically? Finally, is there a meter one could buy, so that one could determine for oneself, whether a grounding rod planted in the ground was not bringing dirty currents into the house? I have a Tri-Field Meter and an RF Meter. I move a lot, and I can't afford electricians. I was hoping I could learn myself, how to measure these things. Can anyone recommend a book about grounding basics that includes information about this issue specifically? Would the 2 books recommended by Charles be most helpful?
> > >
> > > Thank you for any recommendations.
> > >
> > > -Sue
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Sue,
> > > >
> > > > no it is not the powerlines underground.
> > > > Those cables are normally very good insulated.
> > > >
> > > > I mean the normal electricity, where you have a phase (+) and a neutral (-).
> > > >
> > > > In the USA 70 % of this neutral goed back to the powerstation, notby cables, but through the ground.
> > > >
> > > > That way you may have a lot of stray currents, which a grounding rod may pick up, and bringe those unwanted back into the house.
> > > >
> > > > Most electrosensitives do have some psychic abilities.
> > > > They are paranormal; they *see* things, they *know* things.
> > > > it is because of their sensibilty, that other properties are refindalso.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > checked by Norton
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@>
> > > > To: <[hidden email]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:54 PM
> > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Charles,
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand there are places that have their powerlines underground, for aesthetic reasons, I would imagine -- is this the underground electricity that you are referring to? If so, it makes me sad. That's really tampering with the earth's healing energy fields.
> > > > >
> > > > > Group,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think all the electrosmog above ground is tampering with our abilities to connect with each other and the earth and the animals, etc. I think people with psychic ability may notice this even more. There's a bookabout psychic ability and electrical fields which I'm intending to read.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Sue
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hello Stephen,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back through the ground.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> > > > >> It is possible to make the situation worse.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by PaulBrodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> > > > >> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of strayvoltages in the ground.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Greetings,
> > > > >> Charles Claessens
> > > > >> member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > >> www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > >> www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > >> checked by Norton
> > > > >>  
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > > > >> To: <[hidden email]>
> > > > >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> > > > >> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hey Mary,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> > > > >> http://reshelter.org/
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck indoing so!)
> > > > >> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> > > > >> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has gotmetal springs.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> > > > >> -Qlink
> > > > >> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> > > > >> -Bioprotect card
> > > > >> -filters
> > > > >> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> > > > >> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was verylow on minerals...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
> > > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> > > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> > > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Stephen.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Dear Group,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). Ithas become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your bodyand plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thank you,
> > > > >> > Mary
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> > I did walk barefoot in the park yesterday (dirt and grass). I didn't
> > notice a lot while I was doing it
>
> Yes, I'm not sure you're going to find much of a "solution" in
> walking barefoot or grounding. It might make some minor
> improvements, but I doubt it will make much of a difference
> in what EMF environments you can tolerate.
>
> Marc
>

>
> Barefoot walking, the reason why you feel better may be the grounding effect but also the pressure on your feet = many acupuncture points...
>
> Paleolithic is the way to go ;-)
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@> wrote:
> >
> > Stephen,
> >
> > I understand wood is not a conductor, so walking barefoot in one's house wouldn't help much?
> >
> > I did walk barefoot in the park yesterday (dirt and grass). I didn't notice a lot while I was doing it, though I remember thinking I felt calm, and I remember shivers going up my spine and in my brain a bit. But as soonas I put my sneakers back on, and walked home on the sidewalks, my brain inflammation seemed to suddenly appear again, and my overwhelming sense of agitation and tension seemed to begin again. So, maybe grounding myself on the earth did really help. I have more experimenting to do.
> >
> > Let me know when you start learning the science of grounding rods better...
> >
> > All best,
> > Sue
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sue, about barefoot walking in your house, I think:
> > >
> > > -no heating installed in the floor
> > > -cork is great I think for a lot of reasons
> > > -wooden floor or tiles must be good (although I should watch out withchemicals to treat the floor with if you're so sensitive)
> > > -carpets are not so good emf-wise (and for allergies)
> > >
> > > Will you go barefoot walking in the streets too? Good luck!
> > >
> > > I would say if you're walking in the woods, mostly there won't be so much electricity in the ground, or this all depends?!
> > >
> > > I have checked the house that I'm renting here for geopathic stress lines. It seems important you don't put your bed on top of a geopathic stress line. You have to pay sb to do that or you'll have to take a lot of lessons.
> > >
> > > About the grounding rod: I don't know either how to measure the dirtyelectricity... I'll know more in one month...
> > >
> > > gr,
> > > Stephen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Group,
> > > >
> > > > Because I cannot find long-term safe housing, I move a lot, from one temporary place to the next.
> > > >
> > > > I have been referred to the book Earthing, which is the book behindthe company Barefoot Connections, which sells the products to ground the body. The book itself highly recommends walking barefoot on the earth, to align with the earth's electrical fields. I am wondering, given Charles's information about stray currents in the ground, how one would know, when onewas walking barefoot, whether the earth had harmful stray currents where one was walking. Are there certain areas where harmful currents are more likely to be found? Could one use a body voltage meter, to determine whetherthe ground one was walking on was safe and beneficial, eletrically? Finally, is there a meter one could buy, so that one could determine for oneself, whether a grounding rod planted in the ground was not bringing dirty currents into the house? I have a Tri-Field Meter and an RF Meter. I move a lot, and I can't afford electricians. I was hoping I could learn myself, how to measure these things. Can anyone recommend a book about grounding basics that includes information about this issue specifically? Would the 2 books recommended by Charles be most helpful?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for any recommendations.
> > > >
> > > > -Sue
> > > >
> > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Sue,
> > > > >
> > > > > no it is not the powerlines underground.
> > > > > Those cables are normally very good insulated.
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean the normal electricity, where you have a phase (+) and a neutral (-).
> > > > >
> > > > > In the USA 70 % of this neutral goed back to the powerstation, not by cables, but through the ground.
> > > > >
> > > > > That way you may have a lot of stray currents, which a grounding rod may pick up, and bringe those unwanted back into the house.
> > > > >
> > > > > Most electrosensitives do have some psychic abilities.
> > > > > They are paranormal; they *see* things, they *know* things.
> > > > > it is because of their sensibilty, that other properties are refind also.
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > > www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > > checked by Norton
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@>
> > > > > To: <[hidden email]>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:54 PM
> > > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Charles,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand there are places that have their powerlines underground, for aesthetic reasons, I would imagine -- is this the underground electricity that you are referring to? If so, it makes me sad. That's really tampering with the earth's healing energy fields.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Group,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think all the electrosmog above ground is tampering with our abilities to connect with each other and the earth and the animals, etc. Ithink people with psychic ability may notice this even more. There's a book about psychic ability and electrical fields which I'm intending to read.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Sue
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hello Stephen,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite differentfrom the USA.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing backthrough the ground.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> > > > > >> It is possible to make the situation worse.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> > > > > >> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltages in the ground.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Greetings,
> > > > > >> Charles Claessens
> > > > > >> member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > > >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > > >> www.milieuziektes.be
> > > > > >> www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > > >> checked by Norton
> > > > > >>  
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > > > > >> To: <[hidden email]>
> > > > > >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> > > > > >> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hey Mary,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> > > > > >> http://reshelter.org/
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
> > > > > >> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> > > > > >> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, butmostly with and not without! side effects:
> > > > > >> -Qlink
> > > > > >> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> > > > > >> -Bioprotect card
> > > > > >> -filters
> > > > > >> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> > > > > >> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching inolder messages on specific keywords.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low on minerals...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
> > > > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> > > > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> > > > > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after onehour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt)and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Stephen.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Dear Group,
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as I stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitatedand often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner isworking on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellishsituation would be much appreciated.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Thank you,
> > > > > >> > Mary
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> > I only felt better while doing it. I am curious to try a grounding bed
> > sheet. I'd love to feel better all night long. (There are people with
> > EHS in the Earthing book who say they were fairly cured by using one.)
>
> Does this work with any kind of bed? I tried switching us to a latex
> mattress (no metal springs), but my wife complained about back pains
> (too soft) and getting too hot (latex mattresses don't dissipate body
> heat very well), so we're back to the metal springs again (although
> we may shop around for a cotton futon).
>
> Marc
>

>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@> wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > I bought a $7.49 gadget today, to see if my outlets were grounded. They are not. So I'd have to put a metal rod in the ground outside. It wouldbe about 40-50 feet of wire, to do so!
> >
> > >
> > -Sue
> >
> >
>
> ---------
>
> Hi Sue - may I ask what type of gadget you bought to test whether or not your outlets were grounded, and where I could purchase one? Thanks,
>
> ~Svetaswan
>

>
> Svetaswan,
>
> It's a little black plastic gadget called an "Outlet Tester," with 3 prongs that you plug into an outlet, and there are different colored lights that come on (1 red, 2 yellow), depending on the status of the outlet. You use a simple color-coded key to interpret the light pattern (open ground, open neutral, open hot, hot/grd rev, hot/neu rev, correct). I couldn't find any correct outlets in my home (it's an old home).
>
> Best,
> Sue
>
> --- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > >
> >
> > >
> > > I bought a $7.49 gadget today, to see if my outlets were grounded. They are not. So I'd have to put a metal rod in the ground outside. It would be about 40-50 feet of wire, to do so!
> > >
> > > >
> > > -Sue
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ---------
> >
> > Hi Sue - may I ask what type of gadget you bought to test whether or not your outlets were grounded, and where I could purchase one? Thanks,
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
>

>
> Hello Sue,
>
> no it is not the powerlines underground.
> Those cables are normally very good insulated.
>
> I mean the normal electricity, where you have a phase (+) and a neutral (-).
>
> In the USA 70 % of this neutral goed back to the powerstation, not by cables, but through the ground.
>
> That way you may have a lot of stray currents, which a grounding rod may pick up, and bringe those unwanted back into the house.
>
> Most electrosensitives do have some psychic abilities.
> They are paranormal; they *see* things, they *know* things.
> it is because of their sensibilty, that other properties are refind also.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:54 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
>
>
> > Charles,
> >
> > I understand there are places that have their powerlines underground, for aesthetic reasons, I would imagine -- is this the underground electricity that you are referring to? If so, it makes me sad. That's really tampering with the earth's healing energy fields.
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > I think all the electrosmog above ground is tampering with our abilities to connect with each other and the earth and the animals, etc. I think people with psychic ability may notice this even more. There's a book about psychic ability and electrical fields which I'm intending to read.
> >
> > -Sue
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello Stephen,
> >>
> >> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
> >>
> >> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back throughthe ground.
> >>
> >> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> >> It is possible to make the situation worse.
> >>
> >> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> >> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltages in the ground.
> >>
> >> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >> Charles Claessens
> >> member Verband Baubiologie
> >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> >> www.milieuziektes.be
> >> www.hetbitje.nl
> >> checked by Norton
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> >> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Mary,
> >>
> >> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are...hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
> >>
> >> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> >> http://reshelter.org/
> >>
> >> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
> >>
> >> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doingso!)
> >> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> >> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metalsprings.
> >>
> >> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> >> -Qlink
> >> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> >> -Bioprotect card
> >> -filters
> >> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> >> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
> >>
> >> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in older messages on specific keywords.
> >>
> >> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very low on minerals...
> >>
> >> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
> >>
> >> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of a different mattress?):
> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
> >>
> >> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
> >>
> >> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
> >>
> >> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
> >>
> >> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltage somehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour itseems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster! In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
> >>
> >> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
> >>
> >> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. Ifyou can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because then you'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
> >>
> >> Stephen.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dear Group,
> >> >
> >> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, as Istay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and often distraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> >> >
> >> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make my current place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outside of Berkeley.
> >> >
> >> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is workingon it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body and plug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> >> >
> >> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > Thank you,
> >> > Mary
> >> >
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi, Sue,
>  
> Welcome to the forum!   You ask whether there are bad earth currents and good earth currents (in essence that was what you were asking).  Yes, the currents which are natural to the earth are different than returning stray electrical current we can sometimes react to in theearth (dirt/ground). 
>  
> You ask whether one can tell if the ground/earth/dirt is healthful or full of stray currents...   Yes, I can  tell the difference.  I think it probably takes some experience to recognise how to do this, but you can tell if you sit or walk barefoot and you feel a release of bad energy or, conversely, a build-up of aberrant energy in your body. 
>  
> When I "ground" myself/my body (ie: cause the bad energies to drain away), I choose a place which is not likely to give me stray currents--in the forest, next to huge bodies of water, and not in the path between the nearest electrical substation and a residential housing area or commercial area.  It is not that there cannot be stray currents in a forest or near a large body of water, it is that the trees and water are more attractive destinations to the electrical currents thanI am.  That said, once I start "grounding" myself--sitting or walkingbarefoot or in conductive shoes, I notice how I feel after about 20 minutes.  Am I feeling stressed/distressed or am I starting to feel like I am draining away excess stress?  If the latter, I stay.  If the former, I move to a new location.  After 40 or 50 minutes of "grounding", you should have a rejuvenated feeling.  A feeling of relief.  You might be very tired, but it will feel like
> a "relaxed" tired, not a "wired" tired.  You will be able to breathe easier, you will feel lighter....
>  
> Sorry I don't know, off-hand, of books on "grounding" yourself.  I shared a book here some years ago about trees which had a bit onthe subject.  Also, the book, "Energy Medicine" (the yellow one) by Donna Eden, discusses "grounding" your body.  It is a greatbook to read tho for all the exercises it explains--how to clear the meridians, expand the aura, etc, etc.  Very little of it is directly about "grounding" the body; however, the entire book is related to it. The book is about maximizing your electrical system in your body, so that you feel better and have more energy.
>  
> Also, I am not sure whether you are talking about 2 different subjects--how to "ground" the body and how to "ground" your surroundings, so yourbody does not pick up stray currents from your atmosphere.  These are totally different concepts.  There are many books on that subject, also.  I have a couple books on that, but unfortunately they are at my other house, so I cannot tell you the names.  I will try to remember to get that info when I go there tomorrow. I have been dealing with that at our other house which we are rehabbing.  That is a very complicated subject and has many avenues of remediation. 
>  
> Good luck; I hope I have answered your questions in an understandable way.
> Diane/Evie 
>
> --- On Thu, 6/17/10, lolahunt3 <marydelamer@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: lolahunt3 <marydelamer@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 9:09 PM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Dear Group,
>
> Because I cannot find long-term safe housing, I move a lot, from one temporary place to the next.
>
> I have been referred to the book Earthing, which is the book behind the company Barefoot Connections, which sells the products to ground the body. The book itself highly recommends walking barefoot on the earth, to align with the earth's electrical fields. I am wondering, given Charles's information about stray currents in the ground, how one would know, when one was walking barefoot, whether the earth had harmful stray currents where one was walking. Are there certain areas where harmful currents are more likely to be found? Could one use a body voltage meter, to determine whether the ground one was walking on was safe and beneficial, eletrically? Finally, is there a meter one could buy, so that one could determine for oneself, whether agrounding rod planted in the ground was not bringing dirty currents into the house? I have a Tri-Field Meter and an RF Meter. I move a lot, and I can't afford electricians. I was hoping I could learn myself, how to
> measure these things. Can anyone recommend a book about grounding basicsthat includes information about this issue specifically? Would the 2 booksrecommended by Charles be most helpful?
>
> Thank you for any recommendations.
>
> -Sue
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Sue,
> >
> > no it is not the powerlines underground.
> > Those cables are normally very good insulated.
> >
> > I mean the normal electricity, where you have a phase (+) and a neutral(-).
> >
> > In the USA 70 % of this neutral goed back to the powerstation, not by cables, but through the ground.
> >
> > That way you may have a lot of stray currents, which a grounding rod may pick up, and bringe those unwanted back into the house.
> >
> > Most electrosensitives do have some psychic abilities.
> > They are paranormal; they *see* things, they *know* things.
> > it is because of their sensibilty, that other properties are refind also.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:54 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> >
> >
> > > Charles,
> > >
> > > I understand there are places that have their powerlines underground,for aesthetic reasons, I would imagine -- is this the underground electricity that you are referring to? If so, it makes me sad. That's really tampering with the earth's healing energy fields.
> > >
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > I think all the electrosmog above ground is tampering with our abilities to connect with each other and the earth and the animals, etc. I think people with psychic ability may notice this even more. There's a book aboutpsychic ability and electrical fields which I'm intending to read.
> > >
> > > -Sue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello Stephen,
> > >>
> > >> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
> > >>
> > >> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back through the ground.
> > >>
> > >> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> > >> It is possible to make the situation worse.
> > >>
> > >> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> > >> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltages in the ground.
> > >>
> > >> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
> > >>
> > >> Greetings,
> > >> Charles Claessens
> > >> member Verband Baubiologie
> > >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > >> www.milieuziektes.be
> > >> www.hetbitje.nl
> > >> checked by Norton
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > >> To: <[hidden email]>
> > >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> > >> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hey Mary,
> > >>
> > >> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
> > >>
> > >> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> > >> http://reshelter.org/
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
> > >>
> > >> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
> > >> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> > >> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs.
> > >>
> > >> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> > >> -Qlink
> > >> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> > >> -Bioprotect card
> > >> -filters
> > >> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> > >> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
> > >>
> > >> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in oldermessages on specific keywords.
> > >>
> > >> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very lowon minerals...
> > >>
> > >> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
> > >>
> > >> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of adifferent mattress?):
> > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
> > >>
> > >> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
> > >>
> > >> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
> > >>
> > >> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
> > >>
> > >> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltagesomehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster!In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
> > >>
> > >> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
> > >>
> > >> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because thenyou'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
> > >>
> > >> Stephen.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Dear Group,
> > >> >
> > >> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, asI stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and oftendistraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make mycurrent place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outsideof Berkeley.
> > >> >
> > >> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body andplug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> > >> >
> > >> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thank you,
> > >> > Mary
> > >> >
> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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> a "relaxed" tired, not a "wired" tired.  You will be able to breathe easier, you will feel lighter....
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> Sorry I don't know, off-hand, of books on "grounding" yourself.  I shared a book here some years ago about trees which had a bit on the subject.  Also, the book, "Energy Medicine" (the yellow one) by Donna Eden, discusses "grounding" your body.  It is a great book to read tho for all the exercises it explains--how to clear the meridians, expand the aura, etc, etc.  Very little of it is directly about "grounding" the body; however, the entire book is related to it.  The book is about maximizing your electrical system in your body, so that you feel better and have more energy.
>  
> Also, I am not sure whether you are talking about 2 different subjects--how to "ground" the body and how to "ground" your surroundings, so your body does not pick up stray currents from your atmosphere.  These are totally different concepts.  There are many books on that subject, also.  I have a couple books on that, but unfortunately they are at my other house, so I cannot tell you the names.  I will try to remember to get that info when I go there tomorrow.  I have been dealing with that at our other house which we are rehabbing.  That is a very complicated subject and has many avenuesof remediation. 
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> Good luck; I hope I have answered your questions in an understandable way.
> Diane/Evie 
>
> --- On Thu, 6/17/10, lolahunt3 <marydelamer@...> wrote:
>
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> From: lolahunt3 <marydelamer@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 9:09 PM
>
>
>  
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>
>
> Dear Group,
>
> Because I cannot find long-term safe housing, I move a lot, from one temporary place to the next.
>
> I have been referred to the book Earthing, which is the book behind the company Barefoot Connections, which sells the products to ground the body. The book itself highly recommends walking barefoot on the earth, to align with the earth's electrical fields. I am wondering, given Charles's information about stray currents in the ground, how one would know, when one was walking barefoot, whether the earth had harmful stray currents where one was walking. Are there certain areas where harmful currents are more likely to be found? Could one use a body voltage meter, to determine whether the ground one was walking on was safe and beneficial, eletrically? Finally, is there a meter one could buy, so that one could determine for oneself, whether agrounding rod planted in the ground was not bringing dirty currents into the house? I have a Tri-Field Meter and an RF Meter. I move a lot, and I can't afford electricians. I was hoping I could learn myself, how to
> measure these things. Can anyone recommend a book about grounding basics that includes information about this issue specifically? Would the 2 books recommended by Charles be most helpful?
>
> Thank you for any recommendations.
>
> -Sue
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Sue,
> >
> > no it is not the powerlines underground.
> > Those cables are normally very good insulated.
> >
> > I mean the normal electricity, where you have a phase (+) and a neutral(-).
> >
> > In the USA 70 % of this neutral goed back to the powerstation, not by cables, but through the ground.
> >
> > That way you may have a lot of stray currents, which a grounding rod may pick up, and bringe those unwanted back into the house.
> >
> > Most electrosensitives do have some psychic abilities.
> > They are paranormal; they *see* things, they *know* things.
> > it is because of their sensibilty, that other properties are refind also.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "lolahunt3" <marydelamer@>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 4:54 PM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> >
> >
> > > Charles,
> > >
> > > I understand there are places that have their powerlines underground,for aesthetic reasons, I would imagine -- is this the underground electricity that you are referring to? If so, it makes me sad. That's really tampering with the earth's healing energy fields.
> > >
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > I think all the electrosmog above ground is tampering with our abilities to connect with each other and the earth and the animals, etc. I think people with psychic ability may notice this even more. There's a book aboutpsychic ability and electrical fields which I'm intending to read.
> > >
> > > -Sue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello Stephen,
> > >>
> > >> You do live in Belgium, where the situation is quite different from the USA.
> > >>
> > >> In the USA, about 70 % of the electric current is flowing back through the ground.
> > >>
> > >> So making a grounding is not an easy task.
> > >> It is possible to make the situation worse.
> > >>
> > >> I would recommend reading *The great power-lin cover-up* by Paul Brodeur, and *Electrocution of America* by Russ Allen.
> > >> Allen had to close down his milkin cows factory because of stray voltages in the ground.
> > >>
> > >> So, my advise is to let a good electrician do the grounding, to be sure this grounding makes the *dirt* go out in stead in in.
> > >>
> > >> Greetings,
> > >> Charles Claessens
> > >> member Verband Baubiologie
> > >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> > >> www.milieuziektes.be
> > >> www.hetbitje.nl
> > >> checked by Norton
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> > >> To: <[hidden email]>
> > >> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:13 AM
> > >> Subject: [eSens] Re: new to group, grounding apparatus
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hey Mary,
> > >>
> > >> Your story just reminds me on how ridiculous these smart meters are... hope you find a healthy house for you soon.
> > >>
> > >> There was a post here last week on housing/community specifically for "sensitive people":
> > >> http://reshelter.org/
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, I think things that may make a quick difference without the risk of getting worse... euh sorry I have only a few:
> > >>
> > >> -turn off the fuse box at night (and you may even save a buck in doing so!)
> > >> -turn off your neighbour's wifi and dect phone
> > >> -like Marc suggested, getting rid of your mattress if it has got metal springs.
> > >>
> > >> You could try "thingies", most of them could work for you, but mostly with and not without! side effects:
> > >> -Qlink
> > >> -Quantum (Marc's previous post)
> > >> -Bioprotect card
> > >> -filters
> > >> -shield your windows with mosquito net (less risky then alu-foil, but this may still have side effects because of reflection.)
> > >> -. other crazy stuff ;-)
> > >>
> > >> You can find a lot of info here on eSens, just by searching in oldermessages on specific keywords.
> > >>
> > >> Quite important is to check minerals, esp magnesium, potassium, calcium, sodium,. I've been temporarily even more sensitive when I was very lowon minerals...
> > >>
> > >> About the GROUNDING BAND. Well it's on top of my list too!
> > >>
> > >> Linda had good result with grounding her bed (or was it because of adifferent mattress?):
> > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/18629
> > >>
> > >> Andrew did not, but this may be caused by a "dirty" grounding outlet?
> > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/12344
> > >>
> > >> Ian positive about the grounded metal blanket under his bed:
> > >> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/11074
> > >>
> > >> Lily/Latifah heard a lot of good results of people (not on eSens) using an expensive bed pad made out of carbon (+ grounded).
> > >>
> > >> I have tried a carbon t-shirt. Carbon should lower your body voltagesomehow. For me it seems to work the first 30 minutes, but after one hour it seems to get me worse. Today I've worn it 6 hours (under my shirt) and after 2 hours I was getting suffocated in that carbon t-shirt! I was at a family gathering otherwise I would've gotten rid of that t-shirt much faster!In the future I may wear the t-shirt one hour before going to bed, so my "body voltage" lowers a bit...
> > >>
> > >> Me I'm not sure about bed pads made of metal/carbon for sleeping. There are always side effects when working with metal.
> > >>
> > >> I will try sleeping with a grounding band linked to my ankle or somewhere linked with my body. Kinda like you suggested? That must be a good thing I think, definitely if you ground it when put one meter in the ground. If you can't do that I'm not so sure about a grounding outlet, because thenyou'd have to make sure there is no dirty emf.
> > >>
> > >> Stephen.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- In [hidden email], <marydelamer@> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Dear Group,
> > >> >
> > >> > I am living in Berkeley, CA, where I have been staying in temporary homes for the past 3.5 months. I have been homeless for 3 years due to Multiple Chemical Sensitivities (I cannot find safe enough housing). It has become apparent that I am getting more and more sensitive to electrosmog, asI stay in Berkeley. I can feel the electrical fields coursing through my body all night when I'm in bed, and they severely disrupt my ability to concentrate and remember, whenever I am at home. I feel very agitated and oftendistraught and despairing. I've been trying very hard to move back to Marin County, where they have not yet installed Smart Meters, and where the density of cell phone and radio towers is less.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm writing to ask if others can recommend ways that I can make mycurrent place more live-able, while I wait to find a housing match outsideof Berkeley.
> > >> >
> > >> > On earthing.com (the website is down right now; the owner is working on it), there are grounding bands that you can wear around your body andplug into a grounded outlet? Have people found those to be useful? Would it take away the electricity coursing through my body every night while I sleep?
> > >> >
> > >> > Any other recommendations for how to ameliorate this hellish situation would be much appreciated.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thank you,
> > >> > Mary
> > >> >
> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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