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Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures
I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't spend half days stuck to the fridge. So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living environment. Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. Regards, Rixta |
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Good rule of thumb is to be at least 4 feet away from an electrical source, including wiring in the walls, which sends out a magnetic field - move your bed into the centre of the room at night or better still turn off as many fuses as you can in your fusebox. The magnetic field reading appears to be exponential, very high close up to vacuum cleaners, heaters, hairdryers, etc then dropping rapidly. What make is your meter? The trifield one is great its frequency weighted, which means that it picks up on the fact that a doubling in frequency of magnetic fields doubles the energy, ie say you are picking up 1mG at 50hz, if it is 100hz should be 2mG, but if not frequency weighted will still show 1mG. http://www.trifield.com/content/the-trifield-meter/ "A TriField meter, when exposed to a 3 milligauss field, will read "3" if the frequency of the field is 60 Hz, but it will read "6" if the 3 milligauss field is at 120 Hz. In contrast, a non-frequency-weighted (the flat response version of the TriField) meter will read "3" in both cases, and a 60 Hz-only meter will read "3" and "0" respectively (even though in the 120 Hz case, the current induced in a conductive body is twice as much.)" Another thing is that most meters dont measure the intermediate frequency fields (1khz to 1mhz kicked out by appliances such as computers, tvs etc. Also probably missing out on measuring the dirty electricity, radiofrequencies carried in on wiring. Electrosensitives can be sensitive to much lower levels than 0.5mG. You will also need a rf meter, the Cornet is good value, to measure wireless, DECT phone and cellphone/basestation radiation Also measures the police's channel TETRA at 400mhz. http://www.cornetmicrosystems.com/ Would recommend the ED85EX £119.99 which will measure from 1mhz- 8ghz using different antennae, great value for money. I have this and the ED25G £69.99 Hope this helps, Charlie --- On Mon, 27/9/10, Rixta Francis <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Rixta Francis <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, 27 September, 2010, 4:00 Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't spend half days stuck to the fridge. So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living environment. Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. Regards, Rixta [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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There are many factors that make me feel ill. Besides the stuff flying through the air (microwave signals from cell towers, TV/Radio antennas, cell phone, cordless phone, Wi-Fi, water meters, etc...) the electrical power running through the house makes me feel ill, get very irritated, crawling sensations on my face, burning skin, etc.
Even though I have filters that keep the Stetzer Meter reading fairly low, the basic 60 herz frequencies of the electricity or something else about the electricity that I cannot control, does effect me. Turning the power off is the best remedy for me. There are other factors that I do not have control off yet and those are the ground currents, Hartman lines, etc. I have done a workshop on how to dowse for them and lay copper wires to reroute them but don't know if that is really working enough. My suggestion is to get more meters, Graham-Stetzer Microsurge meter (https://www.stetzerelectric.com/) to read the "dirty electricity" and also an RF meter to see about the exterior radiation influences. Off course, turn the power off as much as possible, as well as the other sources of microwave radiation (cordless phones, Wi-Fi and cordless phones from neighbors). Good luck, Andrew ---- Rixta Francis <[hidden email]> wrote: > Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures > I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know > better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF > levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. > Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't > spend half days stuck to the fridge. > So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have > EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also > have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living > environment. > > Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. > > Regards, > Rixta > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > |
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What simple measures proved that you were right? Emil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rixta Francis" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers > Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures > I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know > better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF > levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. > Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't > spend half days stuck to the fridge. > So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have > EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also > have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living > environment. > > Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. > > Regards, > Rixta |
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> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF > levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. Your Gauss meter only reads a limited amount of EMF. For example, it won't register EMF coming from cell phone towers, Wi-Fi, cordless phones, TV/radio/satellite, RF noise on your power lines, etc. So eyou could have a lot of EMF problems without your Gauss meter indicating it! Marc |
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Yes, you need a microwave detector, RF detector and a Gauss meter.
In fact if you have a really good RF detector, you might not need the Gauss meter, since there is always some RF on the lines. But most RF detectors are not good enough. The "POWERLINE NOISE FINDER" at LessEMF is very sensitive (0.3 microVolt!). I have it connected to a Yagi antenna and so far am very pleased and excited. I did get ill using it, but the fields were pretty strong where I was testing. I did not react when I first started using it. I found that a couple of neighbor's houses are emitting tons of RF. I think it is from solar inverters tied to the grid. If anyone has experience mitigating those, please let me know... Bill On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > But to know > > better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF > > levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. > > Your Gauss meter only reads a limited amount of EMF. > For example, it won't register EMF coming from cell phone > towers, Wi-Fi, cordless phones, TV/radio/satellite, RF noise on > your power lines, etc. So eyou could have a lot of EMF problems > without your Gauss meter indicating it! > > Marc > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to basic
electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After getting worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to feel considerably better. The change was way too significant to be attributed to imagination or psychological effects. Rixta > Need more information: > What simple measures proved that you were right? > > Emil > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rixta Francis"<[hidden email]> > To:<[hidden email]> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM > Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers > > >> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures >> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know >> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF >> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. >> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't >> spend half days stuck to the fridge. >> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have >> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also >> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living >> environment. >> >> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. >> >> Regards, >> Rixta > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis |
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When I turn off the electric in my house the fire alarms eventually go off. Loni
--- On Mon, 9/27/10, Andrew <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Andrew <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers To: [hidden email] Cc: "Rixta Francis" <[hidden email]> Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 5:38 AM There are many factors that make me feel ill. Besides the stuff flying through the air (microwave signals from cell towers, TV/Radio antennas, cell phone, cordless phone, Wi-Fi, water meters, etc...) the electrical power running through the house makes me feel ill, get very irritated, crawling sensations on my face, burning skin, etc. Even though I have filters that keep the Stetzer Meter reading fairly low, the basic 60 herz frequencies of the electricity or something else about the electricity that I cannot control, does effect me. Turning the power off is the best remedy for me. There are other factors that I do not have control off yet and those are the ground currents, Hartman lines, etc. I have done a workshop on how to dowse for them and lay copper wires to reroute them but don't know if that is really working enough. My suggestion is to get more meters, Graham-Stetzer Microsurge meter (https://www.stetzerelectric.com/) to read the "dirty electricity" and also an RF meter to see about the exterior radiation influences. Off course, turn the power off as much as possible, as well as the other sources of microwave radiation (cordless phones, Wi-Fi and cordless phones from neighbors). Good luck, Andrew ---- Rixta Francis <[hidden email]> wrote: > Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures > I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know > better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF > levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. > Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't > spend half days stuck to the fridge. > So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have > EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also > have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living > environment. > > Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. > > Regards, > Rixta > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> When I turn off the electric in my house the fire alarms eventually go
> off. It sounds like your fire alarms are due for replacing with battery-only versions... :-) Marc |
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Well I change them but it still goes off fairly quickly thereafter? Not sure what I can do about it. Loni --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 7:07 PM > When I turn off the electric in my house the fire alarms eventually go > off. It sounds like your fire alarms are due for replacing with battery-only versions... :-) Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I also have several meters.
1.microwave/rf meter: to detect cell towers 2.gaussmeter: for powerline magnetic fields 3.Stetzerizer Meter: for dirty electricity In my last hotel, I changed rooms to avoid the roof-top cell tower, but then ended up having a room with high powerline magnetic fields 2-4 mG, and eventually started feeling it. It was like my joints were being impacted. When I left the room I would feel better. About the dirty electricity: here's an award-winning story on Canadian 16:9 news: http://www.globalnews.ca/story.html?id=1824722 Nowadays that everyone's starting to adopt CFL light bulbs, dirty electricity is also emerging as a problem. Each CFL light bulb plugged into the wiring is somewhat additive to the total dirty electricity. --- In [hidden email], Andrew <amcafeerr@...> wrote: > > There are many factors that make me feel ill. Besides the stuff flying through the air (microwave signals from cell towers, TV/Radio antennas, cell phone, cordless phone, Wi-Fi, water meters, etc...) the electrical power running through the house makes me feel ill, get very irritated, crawling sensations on my face, burning skin, etc. > > Even though I have filters that keep the Stetzer Meter reading fairly low, the basic 60 herz frequencies of the electricity or something else about the electricity that I cannot control, does effect me. > Turning the power off is the best remedy for me. > There are other factors that I do not have control off yet and those are the ground currents, Hartman lines, etc. I have done a workshop on how to dowse for them and lay copper wires to reroute them but don't know if that is really working enough. > My suggestion is to get more meters, Graham-Stetzer Microsurge meter (https://www.stetzerelectric.com/) to read the "dirty electricity" and also an RF meter to see about the exterior radiation influences. > Off course, turn the power off as much as possible, as well as the other sources of microwave radiation (cordless phones, Wi-Fi and cordless phones from neighbors). > Good luck, > Andrew > |
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> Well I change them but it still goes off fairly quickly thereafter?
> Not sure what I can do about it. There are different types of smoke detectors -- one requires power from the house, while others depend purely on batteries. If you replace your current smoke detectors with ones that run only on batteries, they won't care if your house power is on or not. Marc |
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you can take them out and replace them with battery operated ones.
Andrew On Sep 27, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Loni wrote: > When I turn off the electric in my house the fire alarms eventually > go off. Loni > > --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Andrew <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > From: Andrew <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers > To: [hidden email] > Cc: "Rixta Francis" <[hidden email]> > Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 5:38 AM > > > > > > > There are many factors that make me feel ill. Besides the stuff > flying through the air (microwave signals from cell towers, TV/Radio > antennas, cell phone, cordless phone, Wi-Fi, water meters, etc...) > the electrical power running through the house makes me feel ill, > get very irritated, crawling sensations on my face, burning skin, etc. > > Even though I have filters that keep the Stetzer Meter reading > fairly low, the basic 60 herz frequencies of the electricity or > something else about the electricity that I cannot control, does > effect me. > Turning the power off is the best remedy for me. > There are other factors that I do not have control off yet and those > are the ground currents, Hartman lines, etc. I have done a workshop > on how to dowse for them and lay copper wires to reroute them but > don't know if that is really working enough. > My suggestion is to get more meters, Graham-Stetzer Microsurge meter > (https://www.stetzerelectric.com/) to read the "dirty electricity" > and also an RF meter to see about the exterior radiation influences. > Off course, turn the power off as much as possible, as well as the > other sources of microwave radiation (cordless phones, Wi-Fi and > cordless phones from neighbors). > Good luck, > Andrew > > ---- Rixta Francis <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple >> measures >> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know >> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the >> EMF >> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 >> mG. >> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't >> spend half days stuck to the fridge. >> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have >> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also >> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living >> environment. >> >> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. >> >> Regards, >> Rixta >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > |
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Great video thanks
--- On Mon, 9/27/10, emraware <[hidden email]> wrote: From: emraware <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: more questions than answers To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 8:50 PM I also have several meters. 1.microwave/rf meter: to detect cell towers 2.gaussmeter: for powerline magnetic fields 3.Stetzerizer Meter: for dirty electricity In my last hotel, I changed rooms to avoid the roof-top cell tower, but then ended up having a room with high powerline magnetic fields 2-4 mG, and eventually started feeling it. It was like my joints were being impacted. When I left the room I would feel better. About the dirty electricity: here's an award-winning story on Canadian 16:9 news: http://www.globalnews.ca/story.html?id=1824722 Nowadays that everyone's starting to adopt CFL light bulbs, dirty electricity is also emerging as a problem. Each CFL light bulb plugged into the wiring is somewhat additive to the total dirty electricity. --- In [hidden email], Andrew <amcafeerr@...> wrote: > > There are many factors that make me feel ill. Besides the stuff flying through the air (microwave signals from cell towers, TV/Radio antennas, cell phone, cordless phone, Wi-Fi, water meters, etc...) the electrical power running through the house makes me feel ill, get very irritated, crawling sensations on my face, burning skin, etc. > > Even though I have filters that keep the Stetzer Meter reading fairly low, the basic 60 herz frequencies of the electricity or something else about the electricity that I cannot control, does effect me. > Turning the power off is the best remedy for me. > There are other factors that I do not have control off yet and those are the ground currents, Hartman lines, etc. I have done a workshop on how to dowse for them and lay copper wires to reroute them but don't know if that is really working enough. > My suggestion is to get more meters, Graham-Stetzer Microsurge meter (https://www.stetzerelectric.com/) to read the "dirty electricity" and also an RF meter to see about the exterior radiation influences. > Off course, turn the power off as much as possible, as well as the other sources of microwave radiation (cordless phones, Wi-Fi and cordless phones from neighbors). > Good luck, > Andrew > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Oh I didn't know you could get battery only! Thanks Marc; that is terrific! Loni
--- On Mon, 9/27/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 9:07 PM > Well I change them but it still goes off fairly quickly thereafter? > Not sure what I can do about it. There are different types of smoke detectors -- one requires power from the house, while others depend purely on batteries. If you replace your current smoke detectors with ones that run only on batteries, they won't care if your house power is on or not. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Great! Do you know where I could find them? Would a hardware store carry them? LOni
--- On Tue, 9/28/10, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers To: [hidden email] Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 6:00 AM you can take them out and replace them with battery operated ones. Andrew On Sep 27, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Loni wrote: > When I turn off the electric in my house the fire alarms eventually > go off. Loni > > --- On Mon, 9/27/10, Andrew <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > From: Andrew <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers > To: [hidden email] > Cc: "Rixta Francis" <[hidden email]> > Date: Monday, September 27, 2010, 5:38 AM > > > > > > > There are many factors that make me feel ill. Besides the stuff > flying through the air (microwave signals from cell towers, TV/Radio > antennas, cell phone, cordless phone, Wi-Fi, water meters, etc...) > the electrical power running through the house makes me feel ill, > get very irritated, crawling sensations on my face, burning skin, etc. > > Even though I have filters that keep the Stetzer Meter reading > fairly low, the basic 60 herz frequencies of the electricity or > something else about the electricity that I cannot control, does > effect me. > Turning the power off is the best remedy for me. > There are other factors that I do not have control off yet and those > are the ground currents, Hartman lines, etc. I have done a workshop > on how to dowse for them and lay copper wires to reroute them but > don't know if that is really working enough. > My suggestion is to get more meters, Graham-Stetzer Microsurge meter > (https://www.stetzerelectric.com/) to read the "dirty electricity" > and also an RF meter to see about the exterior radiation influences. > Off course, turn the power off as much as possible, as well as the > other sources of microwave radiation (cordless phones, Wi-Fi and > cordless phones from neighbors). > Good luck, > Andrew > > ---- Rixta Francis <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple >> measures >> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know >> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the >> EMF >> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 >> mG. >> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't >> spend half days stuck to the fridge. >> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have >> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also >> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living >> environment. >> >> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. >> >> Regards, >> Rixta >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Rixta,
Sounds like you grounded yourself. Two thoughts here: 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed to whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no clue about what caused the symptoms. 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue grounding as your remedy, why argue with what works? Emil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rixta Francis" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers > I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to basic > electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After getting > worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to feel > considerably better. The change was way too significant to be attributed > to imagination or psychological effects. > > Rixta >> Need more information: >> What simple measures proved that you were right? >> >> Emil >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rixta Francis"<[hidden email]> >> To:<[hidden email]> >> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM >> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers >> >> >>> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures >>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know >>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF >>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. >>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't >>> spend half days stuck to the fridge. >>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have >>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also >>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living >>> environment. >>> >>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rixta >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > -- > Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that area, as all special grounding devices are made for the North-American market. They don't work in Australia.:-( Rixta > Hi Rixta, > > Sounds like you grounded yourself. > Two thoughts here: > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed to > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no clue about > what caused the symptoms. > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue grounding as > your remedy, why argue with what works? > > Emil > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rixta Francis"<[hidden email]> > To:<[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers > > >> I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to basic >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After getting >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to feel >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be attributed >> to imagination or psychological effects. >> >> Rixta >>> Need more information: >>> What simple measures proved that you were right? >>> >>> Emil >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<[hidden email]> >>> To:<[hidden email]> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers >>> >>> >>>> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge. >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living >>>> environment. >>>> >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Rixta >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis >> >> >> ------------------------------------ >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis |
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I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
barefoot walking in forest sitting with barefeet in mud grounded cable attach to body It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I benefit from it too. Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river. Stephen. --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@...> wrote: > > I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the North-American > market. They don't work in Australia.:-( > > Rixta > > Hi Rixta, > > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself. > > Two thoughts here: > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed to > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no clue about > > what caused the symptoms. > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue grounding as > > your remedy, why argue with what works? > > > > Emil > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@...> > > To:<[hidden email]> > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers > > > > > >> I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to basic > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After getting > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to feel > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be attributed > >> to imagination or psychological effects. > >> > >> Rixta > >>> Need more information: > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right? > >>> > >>> Emil > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@...> > >>> To:<[hidden email]> > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers > >>> > >>> > >>>> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge. > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living > >>>> environment. > >>>> > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Rixta > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis > |
Grounding devices (was: Re: more questions than answers)
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> as all special grounding devices are made for the North-American
> market. They don't work in Australia.:-( Rixta: what do you mean with grounding devices? Bed pads? As in: http://www.shop.earthing.net/Sleep-Systems_c4.htm;jsessionid=39D457186D27900A4FB203C202B7F80F.qscstrfrnt06 Regards bed pads there seem to be mixed results (I've checked previous messages). Charles mentioning in early 2007: ...it is wrong for electrosensibles to place some earthing sheets in or under the bed. Unwanted potential differences may occur, and the result is, that one feels much lousier than before. Also, electrical fields may be attracted by such sheets... http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/7532 Charles: do you think attaching a grounded cable directly to body for instance with metal ankle band (like Rixta does) also has "unwanted potential differences"? Or is that only with things like bed pads? Stephen. --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@...> wrote: > > I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the North-American > market. They don't work in Australia.:-( > > Rixta > > Hi Rixta, > > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself. > > Two thoughts here: > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed to > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no clue about > > what caused the symptoms. > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue grounding as > > your remedy, why argue with what works? > > > > Emil > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@...> > > To:<[hidden email]> > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers > > > > > >> I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to basic > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After getting > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to feel > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be attributed > >> to imagination or psychological effects. > >> > >> Rixta > >>> Need more information: > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right? > >>> > >>> Emil > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@...> > >>> To:<[hidden email]> > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers > >>> > >>> > >>>> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG. > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge. > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living > >>>> environment. > >>>> > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> Rixta > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------ > >> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > -- > Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis > |
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