more questions than answers

>
> The problem is not the grounding, but findinf the reasons why the body tension is so high.
>
> A good HF meter is needed here.
> Also *dirty electricity* mat play a big role here.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: stephen_vandevijvere
>   To: [hidden email]
>   Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:39 AM
>   Subject: [eSens] Grounding devices (was: Re: more questions than answers)
>
>
>   > as all special grounding devices are made for the North-American
>   > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
>
>   Rixta: what do you mean with grounding devices? Bed pads? As in:
>
>   http://www.shop.earthing.net/Sleep-Systems_c4.htm;jsessionid=39D457186D27900A4FB203C202B7F80F.qscstrfrnt06
>
>   Regards bed pads there seem to be mixed results (I've checked previous messages).
>
>   Charles mentioning in early 2007:
>
>   ...it is wrong for electrosensibles to place some earthing sheets in or under the bed. Unwanted potential differences may occur, and the result is, that one feels much lousier than before. Also, electrical fields may be attracted by such sheets...
>   http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/7532
>
>
>   Charles: do you think attaching a grounded cable directly to body for instance with metal ankle band (like Rixta does) also has "unwanted potential differences"? Or is that only with things like bed pads?
>
>   Stephen.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
> barefoot walking in forest
> sitting with barefeet in mud
> grounded cable attach to body
>
> It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I benefit from it too.
>
> Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@> wrote:
> >
> >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
> > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
> > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the North-American
> > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
> >
> > Rixta
> > > Hi Rixta,
> > >
> > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
> > > Two thoughts here:
> > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed to
> > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no clue about
> > > what caused the symptoms.
> > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue grounding as
> > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
> > >
> > > Emil
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > > To:<[hidden email]>
> > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
> > >
> > >
> > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to basic
> > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After getting
> > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to feel
> > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be attributed
> > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
> > >>
> > >> Rixta
> > >>> Need more information:
> > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
> > >>>
> > >>> Emil
> > >>>
> > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
> > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
> > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures
> > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know
> > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF
> > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG.
> > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't
> > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
> > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have
> > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also
> > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living
> > >>>> environment.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>> Rixta
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> --
> > >> Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------------------------------------
> > >>
> > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
> >
>

> >
> > I know that grounding  works for me, but so far it has only very
> > limited effect. And I  really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
> > area, as all  special grounding devices are made for the North-American
> >  market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
> >
> >  Rixta
> > > Hi Rixta,
> > >
> > > Sounds  like you grounded yourself.
> > > Two thoughts here:
> >  > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed  

> > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
> >  >
> > > Emil
> > >
> > >
> >  > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rixta  Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > > To:<_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
>  > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> > > Subject:  Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
> > >
> >  >
> > >> I made a simple ankle band from metal chain,  connected that to basic
> > >> electrical wire and got the wire  outside into the ground. After

> > >> to imagination or psychological  effects.
> > >>
> > >> Rixta
> >  >>> Need more information:
> > >>> What simple  measures proved that you were right?
> > >>>
> >  >>> Emil
> > >>>
> > >>> -----  Original Message -----
> > >>> From: "Rixta  Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > >>> To:<_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >
>  > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
> >  >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
> >  >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Earlier  this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple

> >  >>>>
> > >>>> Regards,
> >  >>>> Rixta
> > >>>
> > >>>  ------------------------------------
> > >>>
> >  >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>>
> >  >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >  >> --
> > >> Our website: _http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis_

>  > >>
> > >>
> > >>  ------------------------------------
> > >>
> >  >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >>
> >  >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
>  > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> >  >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >  >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --  
> > Our website: _http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis_

>
>
> puk replies - 2 things - ground currents and the fact that grounding may be
>
> only a temporary respite as it seems to me that when you drain away
> electrons it wont take long to fill the void with others. I wonder what is
> a
> healthy level and how is it maintained. putting the electrons to some use
> such
> as active exercise may be part of the solution
>
>
> In a message dated 03/10/2010 19:51:24 GMT Daylight Time,
> [hidden email] <stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really good...
>
> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be blocked by
> the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In [hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) ,
> "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
> > barefoot walking in forest
> > sitting with barefeet in mud
> > grounded cable attach to body
> >
> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I
> benefit from it too.
> >
> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in
> the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) , Rixta
> Francis <rixta.francis@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the North-American
> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
> > >
> > > Rixta
> > > > Hi Rixta,
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
> > > > Two thoughts here:
> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed
> to
> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no clue
> about
> > > > what caused the symptoms.
> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
> grounding as
> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
> > > >
> > > > Emil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > > > To:<[hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) >
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to basic
> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After
> getting
> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to feel
> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be
> attributed
> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
> > > >>
> > > >> Rixta
> > > >>> Need more information:
> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Emil
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > > >>> To:<[hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) >
> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple
> measures
> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to
> know
> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise
> the EMF
> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than
> 0.5 mG.
> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I
> don't
> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I
> have
> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I
> also
> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living
> > > >>>> environment.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite
> confused.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regards,
> > > >>>> Rixta
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Our website: _http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis_
> (http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Our website: _http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis_
> (http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis)
> > >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>

>
>
> puk replies - 2 things - ground currents and the fact that grounding may be
>
> only a temporary respite as it seems to me that when you drain away
> electrons it wont take long to fill the void with others. I wonder what is
> a
> healthy level and how is it maintained. putting the electrons to some use
> such
> as active exercise may be part of the solution
>
>
> In a message dated 03/10/2010 19:51:24 GMT Daylight Time,
> [hidden email] <stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> writes:
>
> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really good...
>
> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be blocked by
> the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
>
> Stephen.
>
> --- In [hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) ,
> "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
> >
> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
> > barefoot walking in forest
> > sitting with barefeet in mud
> > grounded cable attach to body
> >
> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I
> benefit from it too.
> >
> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in
> the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) , Rixta
> Francis <rixta.francis@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the North-American
> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
> > >
> > > Rixta
> > > > Hi Rixta,
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
> > > > Two thoughts here:
> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed
> to
> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no clue
> about
> > > > what caused the symptoms.
> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
> grounding as
> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
> > > >
> > > > Emil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > > > To:<[hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) >
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to basic
> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After
> getting
> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to feel
> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be
> attributed
> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
> > > >>
> > > >> Rixta
> > > >>> Need more information:
> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Emil
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > > >>> To:<[hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) >
> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple
> measures
> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to
> know
> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise
> the EMF
> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than
> 0.5 mG.
> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I
> don't
> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I
> have
> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I
> also
> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living
> > > >>>> environment.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite
> confused.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regards,
> > > >>>> Rixta
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Our website: _http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis_
> (http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Our website: _http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis_
> (http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis)
> > >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>

>
>
>
> Shielding and Grounding:
>
>  
>
> My girlfriend has unfortunately recently become more
> sensitized, ”flared up” as she calls it, and is reacting with fevers to 20uW/m2
> and above, which starts about 500m away from where she is, which is restricting
> her capacity to be outside. She grounds all the time which helps. She also has
> an electromat shielding on her tent outside which is grounded, and sleeps well
> there
>
>
>
> To allow her outside functionality we are going to try the following shielding:
>
>
>
> I have just ordered grounding straps for both feet for her, industrial ones,
> heelstraps rather than whole foot which we may order. Also ordered a material
> which is polyester silver, powerful 65-85dB attenuation, 99.999%,  <1ohm resistance. The screening material
> for bednets is I believe 25-35 dB.
>
>  
>
> 1 dB attenuation means that 0.79 of the input power survives
>
> 3 dB attenuation means that 0.50 of the input power survives
>
> 10 dB attenuation means that 0.1 of the input power survives
>
> 20 dB attenuation means that 0.01 of the input power survives
>
> 30 dB attenuation means that 0.001 of the input power survives
>
> 40 dB attenuation means that 0.0001 of the input power survives
>
> ETC
>
>  
>
> Highly shielded and conductive for grounding, through the
> grounding straps.
>
>
>
> She will be making a full body suit, over her feet and a hood over her head, to
> all be connected. It will be sewn together with normal thread (rather than
> silver) to stop microwave through conductance and will be double folded French seamed.
> She will also have clip studs on the hood face, to allow her to clip on a tulle
> electro mesh. She will wear it between cotton underclothes and outerclothes. No
> doubt she will keep warm! which will be good as it reached -9 in her motorhome
> last xmas.
>
>  
>
> We live in the UK and have sourced materials here.
>
> Will be interesting to see how she goes on.
>
>  
>
> Have also sourced some very good shielding materials, bamboo
> silver fabric, etc, clothes, printed fabrics, shoes etc being manufactured in
> India and China, which am considering, but need to be bought in bulk.
>
>
> We will measure her body electricity before and after being out in the suit and see how she reacts.
>
> If she hides under an electromat in the back of the car she can be taken to low radiation areas, which hopefully the suit will also give her the capacity to do, to get out and walk and ground in the woods and streams more.
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 4/10/10, Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, 4 October, 2010, 0:39
>
> It recently occurred to me that to understand this stuff you have
> to think of the body as, in part, a DC battery.  It may be important
> to have some conductivity in the air (or water) surrounding the body,
> but not too much (like metal).  In this respect choice of clothing could
> matter.  There are potentials in the millivolts you can measure (with
> proper electrodes) between the two hands.  Actually it's not easy
> to measure... you may need to be somewhere electrically quiet
> or in a big screen room....
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 2:37 PM, <paulpjc@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > puk replies - 2 things - ground currents and the fact that grounding may be
> >
> > only a temporary respite as it seems to me that when you drain away
> > electrons it wont take long to fill the void with others. I wonder what is
> > a
> > healthy level and how is it maintained. putting the electrons to some use
> > such
> > as active exercise may be part of the solution
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 03/10/2010 19:51:24 GMT Daylight Time,
> > stephen_vandevijvere@... <stephen_vandevijvere%40yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> > Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really good...
> >
> > I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be blocked by
> > the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> > --- In [hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> > [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) ,
> > "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
> > > barefoot walking in forest
> > > sitting with barefeet in mud
> > > grounded cable attach to body
> > >
> > > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I
> > benefit from it too.
> > >
> > > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in
> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
> > >
> > > Stephen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> > [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) , Rixta
> > Francis <rixta.francis@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
> > > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
> > > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the North-American
> > > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
> > > >
> > > > Rixta
> > > > > Hi Rixta,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
> > > > > Two thoughts here:
> > > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed
> > to
> > > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no clue
> > about
> > > > > what caused the symptoms.
> > > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
> > grounding as
> > > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
> > > > >
> > > > > Emil
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > > > > To:<[hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> > [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) >
> > > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to basic
> > > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After
> > getting
> > > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to feel
> > > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be
> > attributed
> > > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Rixta
> > > > >>> Need more information:
> > > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Emil
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > > > >>> To:<[hidden email] <_eSens%40yahoogroups.com>_ (mailto:
> > [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>) >
> > > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
> > > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple
> > measures
> > > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to
> > know
> > > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise
> > the EMF
> > > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than
> > 0.5 mG.
> > > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I
> > don't
> > > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
> > > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I
> > have
> > > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I
> > also
> > > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living
> > > > >>>> environment.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite
> > confused.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Regards,
> > > > >>>> Rixta
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Our website: _http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis_
> > (http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis)
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ------------------------------------
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> > > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> >
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>
>
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>
>
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>

>
> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really good...
>
> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be blocked by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
> > barefoot walking in forest
> > sitting with barefeet in mud
> > grounded cable attach to body
> >
> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I benefit from it too.
> >
> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@> wrote:
> > >
> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the North-American
> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
> > >
> > > Rixta
> > > > Hi Rixta,
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
> > > > Two thoughts here:
> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed to
> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no clue about
> > > > what caused the symptoms.
> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue grounding as
> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
> > > >
> > > > Emil
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to basic
> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After getting
> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to feel
> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be attributed
> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
> > > >>
> > > >> Rixta
> > > >>> Need more information:
> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Emil
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple measures
> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to know
> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise the EMF
> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than 0.5 mG.
> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I don't
> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I have
> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I also
> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living
> > > >>>> environment.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite confused.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regards,
> > > >>>> Rixta
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ------------------------------------
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > >>
> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
> > >
> >
>

> In the meantime I've installed my tent.
>
> My "feeling" in the tent was confirmed by my measurements later,
>
> When in sleeping bag I'm not grounded. When I'm on the bottom of the tent
> I'm partially grounded.
>
> I tested voltage each time with holding my laptop (on electric grid) in
> left hand, measuring me at the same time with a grounded bio-voltmeter. I
> was wearing cotton clothes but barefeet.
>
> Approximately 3-4 Volts:
> -inside house
> -laying on sleeping bag (polyester) only in tent
> -laying on mattress only in tent
> -laying on duvet only in tent
>
> Approximately 0.4-0.8 Volts:
> -laying directly on bottom of tent (bottom tent made of nylon)
>
> Approximately 0.1-0.2 Volts:
> -barefeet directly on soil
> -touching soil with one finger
> -touching grounding rod
>
> So...
>
> Sleeping directly on the bottom of the tent is the way to go if you want
> to have some grounding-advantage of sleeping in a tent... Must say that's
> quite uncomfortable and coldish!
>
> Could be different results for different materials. But with the sleeping
> bag or mattress I have here it seems useless to sleep in a tent for
> grounding purposes.
>
> I could sleep grounded in a tent with my sleeping bag if I would be linked
> with a grounding rod. But I (can) do that already when sleeping in my
> bedroom. Advantage of the grounding rod when sleeping in a tent is that it
> doesn't have to be very long (2 inches could be enough already), which is
> better I suppose (a very short grounding rod not receiving a lot of emf
> like an antenna)...
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
>>
>> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really good...
>>
>> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be blocked
>> by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
>>
>> Stephen.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
>> <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
>> > barefoot walking in forest
>> > sitting with barefeet in mud
>> > grounded cable attach to body
>> >
>> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I
>> > benefit from it too.
>> >
>> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in
>> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
>> >
>> > Stephen.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
>> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
>> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the
>> > > North-American
>> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
>> > >
>> > > Rixta
>> > > > Hi Rixta,
>> > > >
>> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
>> > > > Two thoughts here:
>> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed
>> > > > to
>> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no
>> > > > clue about
>> > > > what caused the symptoms.
>> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
>> > > > grounding as
>> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
>> > > >
>> > > > Emil
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
>> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
>> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to
>> > > >> basic
>> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After
>> > > >> getting
>> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to
>> > > >> feel
>> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be
>> > > >> attributed
>> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Rixta
>> > > >>> Need more information:
>> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Emil
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
>> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
>> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple
>> > > >>>> measures
>> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to
>> > > >>>> know
>> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise
>> > > >>>> the EMF
>> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than
>> > > >>>> 0.5 mG.
>> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I
>> > > >>>> don't
>> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
>> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I
>> > > >>>> have
>> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I
>> > > >>>> also
>> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living
>> > > >>>> environment.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite
>> > > >>>> confused.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Regards,
>> > > >>>> Rixta
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> ------------------------------------
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> ------------------------------------
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ------------------------------------
>> > > >
>> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>

>
> I think the problem is bringing the laptop into the tent.
> What are your readings inside the tent with no electronics inside?
> Of course, a strong MAGNETIC field outside and nearby the tent is not a good
> idea either.
>
> Emil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:50 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>
>
> > In the meantime I've installed my tent.
> >
> > My "feeling" in the tent was confirmed by my measurements later,
> >
> > When in sleeping bag I'm not grounded. When I'm on the bottom of the tent
> > I'm partially grounded.
> >
> > I tested voltage each time with holding my laptop (on electric grid) in
> > left hand, measuring me at the same time with a grounded bio-voltmeter. I
> > was wearing cotton clothes but barefeet.
> >
> > Approximately 3-4 Volts:
> > -inside house
> > -laying on sleeping bag (polyester) only in tent
> > -laying on mattress only in tent
> > -laying on duvet only in tent
> >
> > Approximately 0.4-0.8 Volts:
> > -laying directly on bottom of tent (bottom tent made of nylon)
> >
> > Approximately 0.1-0.2 Volts:
> > -barefeet directly on soil
> > -touching soil with one finger
> > -touching grounding rod
> >
> > So...
> >
> > Sleeping directly on the bottom of the tent is the way to go if you want
> > to have some grounding-advantage of sleeping in a tent... Must say that's
> > quite uncomfortable and coldish!
> >
> > Could be different results for different materials. But with the sleeping
> > bag or mattress I have here it seems useless to sleep in a tent for
> > grounding purposes.
> >
> > I could sleep grounded in a tent with my sleeping bag if I would be linked
> > with a grounding rod. But I (can) do that already when sleeping in my
> > bedroom. Advantage of the grounding rod when sleeping in a tent is that it
> > doesn't have to be very long (2 inches could be enough already), which is
> > better I suppose (a very short grounding rod not receiving a lot of emf
> > like an antenna)...
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really good...
> >>
> >> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be blocked
> >> by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
> >>
> >> Stephen.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> >> <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
> >> > barefoot walking in forest
> >> > sitting with barefeet in mud
> >> > grounded cable attach to body
> >> >
> >> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I
> >> > benefit from it too.
> >> >
> >> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in
> >> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
> >> >
> >> > Stephen.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
> >> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
> >> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the
> >> > > North-American
> >> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
> >> > >
> >> > > Rixta
> >> > > > Hi Rixta,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
> >> > > > Two thoughts here:
> >> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no
> >> > > > clue about
> >> > > > what caused the symptoms.
> >> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
> >> > > > grounding as
> >> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Emil
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> >> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
> >> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> >> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to
> >> > > >> basic
> >> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After
> >> > > >> getting
> >> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to
> >> > > >> feel
> >> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be
> >> > > >> attributed
> >> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Rixta
> >> > > >>> Need more information:
> >> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Emil
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> >> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
> >> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
> >> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple
> >> > > >>>> measures
> >> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to
> >> > > >>>> know
> >> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise
> >> > > >>>> the EMF
> >> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than
> >> > > >>>> 0.5 mG.
> >> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I
> >> > > >>>> don't
> >> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
> >> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I
> >> > > >>>> have
> >> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I
> >> > > >>>> also
> >> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living
> >> > > >>>> environment.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite
> >> > > >>>> confused.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Regards,
> >> > > >>>> Rixta
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> ------------------------------------
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >> --
> >> > > >> Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> ------------------------------------
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ------------------------------------
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> I've measured myself without laptop or any electronics:
> in tent laying on sleeping bag: +/- 0.03 mVolt
>
> Bringing the laptop into the tent was my test to measure how well I'm actually grounded in the tent.
>
> I measure the same 3-4 Volts when close to the laptop inside my house (ungrounded) or inside the tent laying on
> sleeping bag or mattress.
>
> I think the results show that when you're on a sleeping bag or mattress in a tent you're not grounded at all...
>
> Stephen.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Emil at Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@...> wrote:
>>
>> I think the problem is bringing the laptop into the tent.
>> What are your readings inside the tent with no electronics inside?
>> Of course, a strong MAGNETIC field outside and nearby the tent is not a good
>> idea either.
>>
>> Emil
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:50 PM
>> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>>
>>
>> > In the meantime I've installed my tent.
>> >
>> > My "feeling" in the tent was confirmed by my measurements later,
>> >
>> > When in sleeping bag I'm not grounded. When I'm on the bottom of the tent
>> > I'm partially grounded.
>> >
>> > I tested voltage each time with holding my laptop (on electric grid) in
>> > left hand, measuring me at the same time with a grounded bio-voltmeter. I
>> > was wearing cotton clothes but barefeet.
>> >
>> > Approximately 3-4 Volts:
>> > -inside house
>> > -laying on sleeping bag (polyester) only in tent
>> > -laying on mattress only in tent
>> > -laying on duvet only in tent
>> >
>> > Approximately 0.4-0.8 Volts:
>> > -laying directly on bottom of tent (bottom tent made of nylon)
>> >
>> > Approximately 0.1-0.2 Volts:
>> > -barefeet directly on soil
>> > -touching soil with one finger
>> > -touching grounding rod
>> >
>> > So...
>> >
>> > Sleeping directly on the bottom of the tent is the way to go if you want
>> > to have some grounding-advantage of sleeping in a tent... Must say that's
>> > quite uncomfortable and coldish!
>> >
>> > Could be different results for different materials. But with the sleeping
>> > bag or mattress I have here it seems useless to sleep in a tent for
>> > grounding purposes.
>> >
>> > I could sleep grounded in a tent with my sleeping bag if I would be linked
>> > with a grounding rod. But I (can) do that already when sleeping in my
>> > bedroom. Advantage of the grounding rod when sleeping in a tent is that it
>> > doesn't have to be very long (2 inches could be enough already), which is
>> > better I suppose (a very short grounding rod not receiving a lot of emf
>> > like an antenna)...
>> >
>> > Stephen.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
>> > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really good...
>> >>
>> >> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be blocked
>> >> by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
>> >>
>> >> Stephen.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
>> >> <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
>> >> > barefoot walking in forest
>> >> > sitting with barefeet in mud
>> >> > grounded cable attach to body
>> >> >
>> >> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I
>> >> > benefit from it too.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in
>> >> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
>> >> >
>> >> > Stephen.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
>> >> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
>> >> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the
>> >> > > North-American
>> >> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Rixta
>> >> > > > Hi Rixta,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
>> >> > > > Two thoughts here:
>> >> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no
>> >> > > > clue about
>> >> > > > what caused the symptoms.
>> >> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
>> >> > > > grounding as
>> >> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Emil
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> >> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
>> >> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
>> >> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to
>> >> > > >> basic
>> >> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After
>> >> > > >> getting
>> >> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to
>> >> > > >> feel
>> >> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be
>> >> > > >> attributed
>> >> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Rixta
>> >> > > >>> Need more information:
>> >> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> Emil
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> >> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
>> >> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
>> >> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple
>> >> > > >>>> measures
>> >> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to
>> >> > > >>>> know
>> >> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise
>> >> > > >>>> the EMF
>> >> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than
>> >> > > >>>> 0.5 mG.
>> >> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I
>> >> > > >>>> don't
>> >> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
>> >> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I
>> >> > > >>>> have
>> >> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I
>> >> > > >>>> also
>> >> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living
>> >> > > >>>> environment.
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite
>> >> > > >>>> confused.
>> >> > > >>>>
>> >> > > >>>> Regards,
>> >> > > >>>> Rixta
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> ------------------------------------
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >>>
>> >> > > >> --
>> >> > > >> Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> ------------------------------------
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ------------------------------------
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

>
> Two points:
>
> 1-
> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not grounded?
>
> 2-
> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without electronics, and without the tent.
> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Emil DeToffol
> Less EMF Inc.
> +1-518-432-1550
> lessemf@...
> www.lessemf.com
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:29 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>
>
> > I've measured myself without laptop or any electronics:
> > in tent laying on sleeping bag: +/- 0.03 mVolt
> >
> > Bringing the laptop into the tent was my test to measure how well I'm actually grounded in the tent.
> >
> > I measure the same 3-4 Volts when close to the laptop inside my house (ungrounded) or inside the tent laying on
> > sleeping bag or mattress.
> >
> > I think the results show that when you're on a sleeping bag or mattress in a tent you're not grounded at all...
> >
> > Stephen.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Emil at Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think the problem is bringing the laptop into the tent.
> >> What are your readings inside the tent with no electronics inside?
> >> Of course, a strong MAGNETIC field outside and nearby the tent is not a good
> >> idea either.
> >>
> >> Emil
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:50 PM
> >> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
> >>
> >>
> >> > In the meantime I've installed my tent.
> >> >
> >> > My "feeling" in the tent was confirmed by my measurements later,
> >> >
> >> > When in sleeping bag I'm not grounded. When I'm on the bottom of the tent
> >> > I'm partially grounded.
> >> >
> >> > I tested voltage each time with holding my laptop (on electric grid) in
> >> > left hand, measuring me at the same time with a grounded bio-voltmeter. I
> >> > was wearing cotton clothes but barefeet.
> >> >
> >> > Approximately 3-4 Volts:
> >> > -inside house
> >> > -laying on sleeping bag (polyester) only in tent
> >> > -laying on mattress only in tent
> >> > -laying on duvet only in tent
> >> >
> >> > Approximately 0.4-0.8 Volts:
> >> > -laying directly on bottom of tent (bottom tent made of nylon)
> >> >
> >> > Approximately 0.1-0.2 Volts:
> >> > -barefeet directly on soil
> >> > -touching soil with one finger
> >> > -touching grounding rod
> >> >
> >> > So...
> >> >
> >> > Sleeping directly on the bottom of the tent is the way to go if you want
> >> > to have some grounding-advantage of sleeping in a tent... Must say that's
> >> > quite uncomfortable and coldish!
> >> >
> >> > Could be different results for different materials. But with the sleeping
> >> > bag or mattress I have here it seems useless to sleep in a tent for
> >> > grounding purposes.
> >> >
> >> > I could sleep grounded in a tent with my sleeping bag if I would be linked
> >> > with a grounding rod. But I (can) do that already when sleeping in my
> >> > bedroom. Advantage of the grounding rod when sleeping in a tent is that it
> >> > doesn't have to be very long (2 inches could be enough already), which is
> >> > better I suppose (a very short grounding rod not receiving a lot of emf
> >> > like an antenna)...
> >> >
> >> > Stephen.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> >> > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really good...
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be blocked
> >> >> by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
> >> >>
> >> >> Stephen.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> >> >> <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different activities:
> >> >> > barefoot walking in forest
> >> >> > sitting with barefeet in mud
> >> >> > grounded cable attach to body
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems like I
> >> >> > benefit from it too.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And Diane in
> >> >> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Stephen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only very
> >> >> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more in that
> >> >> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the
> >> >> > > North-American
> >> >> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Rixta
> >> >> > > > Hi Rixta,
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
> >> >> > > > Two thoughts here:
> >> >> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still exposed
> >> >> > > > to
> >> >> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives no
> >> >> > > > clue about
> >> >> > > > what caused the symptoms.
> >> >> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
> >> >> > > > grounding as
> >> >> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Emil
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> >> >> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
> >> >> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected that to
> >> >> > > >> basic
> >> >> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground. After
> >> >> > > >> getting
> >> >> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started to
> >> >> > > >> feel
> >> >> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to be
> >> >> > > >> attributed
> >> >> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Rixta
> >> >> > > >>> Need more information:
> >> >> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Emil
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> >> >> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
> >> >> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
> >> >> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some simple
> >> >> > > >>>> measures
> >> >> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right. But to
> >> >> > > >>>> know
> >> >> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big surprise
> >> >> > > >>>> the EMF
> >> >> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less than
> >> >> > > >>>> 0.5 mG.
> >> >> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings, but I
> >> >> > > >>>> don't
> >> >> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
> >> >> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still convinced I
> >> >> > > >>>> have
> >> >> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me because I
> >> >> > > >>>> also
> >> >> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old living
> >> >> > > >>>> environment.
> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm quite
> >> >> > > >>>> confused.
> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> > > >>>> Regards,
> >> >> > > >>>> Rixta
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> ------------------------------------
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> > > >> --
> >> >> > > >> Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> ------------------------------------
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > --
> >> >> > > Our website: http://members.westnet.com.au/rixta.francis
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> The whole point of bringing sth into the tent like a laptop emitting a lot
> of low freq. emf (3-4 voltages) is that you can easily see the difference
> when grounded and when not grounded...
>
> Anyway esp. for you I still did more measurements with no emf, that prove
> the same thing!
>
>> 1-
>> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not
>> grounded?
>
> There is not much low freq. emf there (it's in a mini-forest) so the
> voltage is always low (whether I'm grounded or not).
>
>
>> 2-
>> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
>> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
>> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without
>> electronics, and without the tent.
>> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
>
> Well if I measure myself next to the tent with barefoot touching the soil
> I meausure 0.0 mVolt.
>
> Next to the tent this time wearing my shoes I measure 0.3 mVolt.
>
> By the way the 0.03 mVolt from previous post was actually a typing
> mistake, my meter isn't that accurate! The 0.03 mVolt in the tent on
> sleeping bag was actually 0.3 mVolt!
>
> So... Whether I'm having a laptop in my hand or no emf at all I seem to
> have the same results when I'm in the tent on sleeping bag as when I'm
> wearing shoes next to the tent... In both situations I'm ungrounded...
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@...> wrote:
>>
>> Two points:
>>
>> 1-
>> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not
>> grounded?
>>
>> 2-
>> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
>> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
>> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without
>> electronics, and without the tent.
>> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Emil DeToffol
>> Less EMF Inc.
>> +1-518-432-1550
>> lessemf@...
>> www.lessemf.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:29 PM
>> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>>
>>
>> > I've measured myself without laptop or any electronics:
>> > in tent laying on sleeping bag: +/- 0.03 mVolt
>> >
>> > Bringing the laptop into the tent was my test to measure how well I'm
>> > actually grounded in the tent.
>> >
>> > I measure the same 3-4 Volts when close to the laptop inside my house
>> > (ungrounded) or inside the tent laying on
>> > sleeping bag or mattress.
>> >
>> > I think the results show that when you're on a sleeping bag or mattress
>> > in a tent you're not grounded at all...
>> >
>> > Stephen.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In [hidden email], "Emil at Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think the problem is bringing the laptop into the tent.
>> >> What are your readings inside the tent with no electronics inside?
>> >> Of course, a strong MAGNETIC field outside and nearby the tent is not
>> >> a good
>> >> idea either.
>> >>
>> >> Emil
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
>> >> To: <[hidden email]>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:50 PM
>> >> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > In the meantime I've installed my tent.
>> >> >
>> >> > My "feeling" in the tent was confirmed by my measurements later,
>> >> >
>> >> > When in sleeping bag I'm not grounded. When I'm on the bottom of the
>> >> > tent
>> >> > I'm partially grounded.
>> >> >
>> >> > I tested voltage each time with holding my laptop (on electric grid)
>> >> > in
>> >> > left hand, measuring me at the same time with a grounded
>> >> > bio-voltmeter. I
>> >> > was wearing cotton clothes but barefeet.
>> >> >
>> >> > Approximately 3-4 Volts:
>> >> > -inside house
>> >> > -laying on sleeping bag (polyester) only in tent
>> >> > -laying on mattress only in tent
>> >> > -laying on duvet only in tent
>> >> >
>> >> > Approximately 0.4-0.8 Volts:
>> >> > -laying directly on bottom of tent (bottom tent made of nylon)
>> >> >
>> >> > Approximately 0.1-0.2 Volts:
>> >> > -barefeet directly on soil
>> >> > -touching soil with one finger
>> >> > -touching grounding rod
>> >> >
>> >> > So...
>> >> >
>> >> > Sleeping directly on the bottom of the tent is the way to go if you
>> >> > want
>> >> > to have some grounding-advantage of sleeping in a tent... Must say
>> >> > that's
>> >> > quite uncomfortable and coldish!
>> >> >
>> >> > Could be different results for different materials. But with the
>> >> > sleeping
>> >> > bag or mattress I have here it seems useless to sleep in a tent for
>> >> > grounding purposes.
>> >> >
>> >> > I could sleep grounded in a tent with my sleeping bag if I would be
>> >> > linked
>> >> > with a grounding rod. But I (can) do that already when sleeping in
>> >> > my
>> >> > bedroom. Advantage of the grounding rod when sleeping in a tent is
>> >> > that it
>> >> > doesn't have to be very long (2 inches could be enough already),
>> >> > which is
>> >> > better I suppose (a very short grounding rod not receiving a lot of
>> >> > emf
>> >> > like an antenna)...
>> >> >
>> >> > Stephen.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
>> >> > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really
>> >> >> good...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be
>> >> >> blocked
>> >> >> by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Stephen.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
>> >> >> <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different
>> >> >> > activities:
>> >> >> > barefoot walking in forest
>> >> >> > sitting with barefeet in mud
>> >> >> > grounded cable attach to body
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems
>> >> >> > like I
>> >> >> > benefit from it too.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And
>> >> >> > Diane in
>> >> >> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Stephen.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only
>> >> >> > > very
>> >> >> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more
>> >> >> > > in that
>> >> >> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the
>> >> >> > > North-American
>> >> >> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Rixta
>> >> >> > > > Hi Rixta,
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
>> >> >> > > > Two thoughts here:
>> >> >> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still
>> >> >> > > > exposed
>> >> >> > > > to
>> >> >> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives
>> >> >> > > > no
>> >> >> > > > clue about
>> >> >> > > > what caused the symptoms.
>> >> >> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
>> >> >> > > > grounding as
>> >> >> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Emil
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> >> >> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
>> >> >> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
>> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected
>> >> >> > > >> that to
>> >> >> > > >> basic
>> >> >> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground.
>> >> >> > > >> After
>> >> >> > > >> getting
>> >> >> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started
>> >> >> > > >> to
>> >> >> > > >> feel
>> >> >> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to
>> >> >> > > >> be
>> >> >> > > >> attributed
>> >> >> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >> Rixta
>> >> >> > > >>> Need more information:
>> >> >> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
>> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> > > >>> Emil
>> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
>> >> >> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
>> >> >> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
>> >> >> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
>> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> > > >>>
>> >> >> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some
>> >> >> > > >>>> simple
>> >> >> > > >>>> measures
>> >> >> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right.
>> >> >> > > >>>> But to
>> >> >> > > >>>> know
>> >> >> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big
>> >> >> > > >>>> surprise
>> >> >> > > >>>> the EMF
>> >> >> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less
>> >> >> > > >>>> than
>> >> >> > > >>>> 0.5 mG.
>> >> >> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings,
>> >> >> > > >>>> but I
>> >> >> > > >>>> don't
>> >> >> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
>> >> >> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still
>> >> >> > > >>>> convinced I
>> >> >> > > >>>> have
>> >> >> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me
>> >> >> > > >>>> because I
>> >> >> > > >>>> also
>> >> >> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old
>> >> >> > > >>>> living
>> >> >> > > >>>> environment.
>> >> >> > > >>>>
>> >> >> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm
>> >> >> > > >>>> quite
>> >> >> > > >>>> confused.
>> >> >> > > >>>>
>> >> >> > > >>>> Regards,
>> >> >> > > >>>> Rixta
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> Hi Stephen,
>
> Thank you for this information. I am very curious about this.
> Can you tell us:
> -is you tent a complete enclosure?
> -what is it made of?
> -is the tent grounded?
>
> Emil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
>
>
> > The whole point of bringing sth into the tent like a laptop emitting a lot
> > of low freq. emf (3-4 voltages) is that you can easily see the difference
> > when grounded and when not grounded...
> >
> > Anyway esp. for you I still did more measurements with no emf, that prove
> > the same thing!
> >
> >> 1-
> >> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not
> >> grounded?
> >
> > There is not much low freq. emf there (it's in a mini-forest) so the
> > voltage is always low (whether I'm grounded or not).
> >
> >
> >> 2-
> >> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
> >> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
> >> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without
> >> electronics, and without the tent.
> >> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
> >
> > Well if I measure myself next to the tent with barefoot touching the soil
> > I meausure 0.0 mVolt.
> >
> > Next to the tent this time wearing my shoes I measure 0.3 mVolt.
> >
> > By the way the 0.03 mVolt from previous post was actually a typing
> > mistake, my meter isn't that accurate! The 0.03 mVolt in the tent on
> > sleeping bag was actually 0.3 mVolt!
> >
> > So... Whether I'm having a laptop in my hand or no emf at all I seem to
> > have the same results when I'm in the tent on sleeping bag as when I'm
> > wearing shoes next to the tent... In both situations I'm ungrounded...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "Less EMF Inc." <lessemf@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Two points:
> >>
> >> 1-
> >> If you are measuring +/- 0.03 mVolt, why do you believe you are not
> >> grounded?
> >>
> >> 2-
> >> You haven't really compared oranges to oranges:
> >> You measured +/- 0.03 mVolt in tent without electronics.
> >> You need to compare that to laying in that same spot, without
> >> electronics, and without the tent.
> >> Then you can see the effect of the tent.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Emil DeToffol
> >> Less EMF Inc.
> >> +1-518-432-1550
> >> lessemf@
> >> www.lessemf.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:29 PM
> >> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
> >>
> >>
> >> > I've measured myself without laptop or any electronics:
> >> > in tent laying on sleeping bag: +/- 0.03 mVolt
> >> >
> >> > Bringing the laptop into the tent was my test to measure how well I'm
> >> > actually grounded in the tent.
> >> >
> >> > I measure the same 3-4 Volts when close to the laptop inside my house
> >> > (ungrounded) or inside the tent laying on
> >> > sleeping bag or mattress.
> >> >
> >> > I think the results show that when you're on a sleeping bag or mattress
> >> > in a tent you're not grounded at all...
> >> >
> >> > Stephen.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- In [hidden email], "Emil at Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I think the problem is bringing the laptop into the tent.
> >> >> What are your readings inside the tent with no electronics inside?
> >> >> Of course, a strong MAGNETIC field outside and nearby the tent is not
> >> >> a good
> >> >> idea either.
> >> >>
> >> >> Emil
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@>
> >> >> To: <[hidden email]>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 8:50 PM
> >> >> Subject: [eSens] Tent/grounding (was Re: more questions than answers)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > In the meantime I've installed my tent.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My "feeling" in the tent was confirmed by my measurements later,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > When in sleeping bag I'm not grounded. When I'm on the bottom of the
> >> >> > tent
> >> >> > I'm partially grounded.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I tested voltage each time with holding my laptop (on electric grid)
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > left hand, measuring me at the same time with a grounded
> >> >> > bio-voltmeter. I
> >> >> > was wearing cotton clothes but barefeet.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Approximately 3-4 Volts:
> >> >> > -inside house
> >> >> > -laying on sleeping bag (polyester) only in tent
> >> >> > -laying on mattress only in tent
> >> >> > -laying on duvet only in tent
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Approximately 0.4-0.8 Volts:
> >> >> > -laying directly on bottom of tent (bottom tent made of nylon)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Approximately 0.1-0.2 Volts:
> >> >> > -barefeet directly on soil
> >> >> > -touching soil with one finger
> >> >> > -touching grounding rod
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sleeping directly on the bottom of the tent is the way to go if you
> >> >> > want
> >> >> > to have some grounding-advantage of sleeping in a tent... Must say
> >> >> > that's
> >> >> > quite uncomfortable and coldish!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Could be different results for different materials. But with the
> >> >> > sleeping
> >> >> > bag or mattress I have here it seems useless to sleep in a tent for
> >> >> > grounding purposes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I could sleep grounded in a tent with my sleeping bag if I would be
> >> >> > linked
> >> >> > with a grounding rod. But I (can) do that already when sleeping in
> >> >> > my
> >> >> > bedroom. Advantage of the grounding rod when sleeping in a tent is
> >> >> > that it
> >> >> > doesn't have to be very long (2 inches could be enough already),
> >> >> > which is
> >> >> > better I suppose (a very short grounding rod not receiving a lot of
> >> >> > emf
> >> >> > like an antenna)...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Stephen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> >> >> > <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Regards grounding, you would think sleeping in a tent is really
> >> >> >> good...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'm wondering how much of the earth energy (electrons) would be
> >> >> >> blocked
> >> >> >> by the bottom of the tent + sleeping bag...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Stephen.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere"
> >> >> >> <stephen_vandevijvere@> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I'm also focusing more on grounding since 4 days, different
> >> >> >> > activities:
> >> >> >> > barefoot walking in forest
> >> >> >> > sitting with barefeet in mud
> >> >> >> > grounded cable attach to body
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > It's kinda early to talk about results, but at first it seems
> >> >> >> > like I
> >> >> >> > benefit from it too.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Sue also had very good results with sleeping grounded... And
> >> >> >> > Diane in
> >> >> >> > the past too with walking barefoot in forest and in river.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Stephen.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --- In [hidden email], Rixta Francis <rixta.francis@>
> >> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > >   I know that grounding works for me, but so far it has only
> >> >> >> > > very
> >> >> >> > > limited effect. And I really wouldn't know what I can do more
> >> >> >> > > in that
> >> >> >> > > area, as all special grounding devices are made for the
> >> >> >> > > North-American
> >> >> >> > > market. They don't work in Australia.:-(
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Rixta
> >> >> >> > > > Hi Rixta,
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Sounds like you grounded yourself.
> >> >> >> > > > Two thoughts here:
> >> >> >> > > > 1- grounding is not the same as shielding, as you are still
> >> >> >> > > > exposed
> >> >> >> > > > to
> >> >> >> > > > whatever you were exposed to in the beginning. It also gives
> >> >> >> > > > no
> >> >> >> > > > clue about
> >> >> >> > > > what caused the symptoms.
> >> >> >> > > > 2- if grounding helped your symptoms, maybe you should pursue
> >> >> >> > > > grounding as
> >> >> >> > > > your remedy, why argue with what works?
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Emil
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> > > > From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> >> >> >> > > > To:<[hidden email]>
> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:06 PM
> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] more questions than answers
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>   I made a simple ankle band from metal chain, connected
> >> >> >> > > >> that to
> >> >> >> > > >> basic
> >> >> >> > > >> electrical wire and got the wire outside into the ground.
> >> >> >> > > >> After
> >> >> >> > > >> getting
> >> >> >> > > >> worse and worse for a long time within a few days I started
> >> >> >> > > >> to
> >> >> >> > > >> feel
> >> >> >> > > >> considerably better. The change was way too significant to
> >> >> >> > > >> be
> >> >> >> > > >> attributed
> >> >> >> > > >> to imagination or psychological effects.
> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >> > > >> Rixta
> >> >> >> > > >>> Need more information:
> >> >> >> > > >>> What simple measures proved that you were right?
> >> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> >> > > >>> Emil
> >> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> >> > > >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> > > >>> From: "Rixta Francis"<rixta.francis@>
> >> >> >> > > >>> To:<[hidden email]>
> >> >> >> > > >>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:00 PM
> >> >> >> > > >>> Subject: [eSens] more questions than answers
> >> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> >> > > >>>
> >> >> >> > > >>>>    Earlier this year I diagnosed myself with EMS and some
> >> >> >> > > >>>> simple
> >> >> >> > > >>>> measures
> >> >> >> > > >>>> I took had effect, which to me proved that I was right.
> >> >> >> > > >>>> But to
> >> >> >> > > >>>> know
> >> >> >> > > >>>> better what to do I bought a Gauss meter and to my big
> >> >> >> > > >>>> surprise
> >> >> >> > > >>>> the EMF
> >> >> >> > > >>>> levels inside the house are very low, at most places less
> >> >> >> > > >>>> than
> >> >> >> > > >>>> 0.5 mG.
> >> >> >> > > >>>> Only the fridge and microwave give much higher readings,
> >> >> >> > > >>>> but I
> >> >> >> > > >>>> don't
> >> >> >> > > >>>> spend half days stuck to the fridge.
> >> >> >> > > >>>> So what should I do with this information? I'm still
> >> >> >> > > >>>> convinced I
> >> >> >> > > >>>> have
> >> >> >> > > >>>> EMS. Maybe the low readings are still too high for me
> >> >> >> > > >>>> because I
> >> >> >> > > >>>> also
> >> >> >> > > >>>> have ME/CFS? Unfortunately I can't compare it with my old
> >> >> >> > > >>>> living
> >> >> >> > > >>>> environment.
> >> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> >> > > >>>> Anyone any ideas, tips, suggestions, information? I'm
> >> >> >> > > >>>> quite
> >> >> >> > > >>>> confused.
> >> >> >> > > >>>>
> >> >> >> > > >>>> Regards,
> >> >> >> > > >>>> Rixta
> >> >> >> > > >>>
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