inquiry re: MCS/EMF resources

Hello all, I haven't written in to the group in a long time. I am currently
taking care of my wife, Nicole, who suffers from severe MCS and EMF
sensitivity, as well as severe CFIDS. So, not only does she have very
little energy (and can barely walk a few feet), we are forced to live
outside in a tent, because she cannot be around any electricity
whatsoever...even batteries. We are in the process of having an Airstream
renovated, but we are most likely going to have to relocate once this winter
hits (we currently live in Vermont). We are attempting to find contacts in
the southwest, as we barely know anyone in that region. Any and all
resources in more temperate climates would be an absolute blessing. This is
a truly intense situation, and we need all the help we can get in order to
make it through this!

Nicole has always been mildly EMF-sensitive, but after a hospital stay last
summer, it has just gotten stronger and stronger, to the point where no
amount of shielding does the trick. She cannot be in a house with any
electricity, flashlights, furnace, heater, ANYTHING, without having severe
symptoms.

sincerely,
Jason McGill


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I just bought an airstream - brand new and it really works well for shielding. I parked right under main powerlines and there was no electrical fields inside ( outside as dreadful ) and the magnetic fields were extremely lowtoo - I was told that there might be nickel in the aluminum and that blocks magnetic fields too.

The RF was O in the back that had few windows and I parked right under a cel tower. You will want to add some RF gels to the windows and some copper screen to the windows and that will make almost a faraday cage.

I spent some time with it at Greenbank where there is NO RF from the area because of the radio telescopes. Real clean area including power too.

I had solar pannels added so it ran almost everything. If you can't be close to batteries that is a tough one. I bought a 2008 Diesel Grand cherokeejeep to haul it around and the EMF is extremely low.

Sounds like you need to go to a log cabin in the rocky mountains. Just a nice fireplace to keep you warm.
Living like an early pioneer or mountain man might not be too bad - there are lots of people still doing this.




On 2010-07-22, at 3:52 PM, Jason McGill wrote:



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There is a community in Snowflake Arizona. I live in Ohio. I'm sure some ofthem are on here. If no one responds send me an email and I will see who Ican connect you with.
Regards,
Elizabeth

--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Jason McGill <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Jason McGill <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] inquiry re: MCS/EMF resources
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 3:52 PM


 



Hello all, I haven't written in to the group in a long time. I am currently
taking care of my wife, Nicole, who suffers from severe MCS and EMF
sensitivity, as well as severe CFIDS. So, not only does she have very
little energy (and can barely walk a few feet), we are forced to live
outside in a tent, because she cannot be around any electricity
whatsoever...even batteries. We are in the process of having an Airstream
renovated, but we are most likely going to have to relocate once this winter
hits (we currently live in Vermont). We are attempting to find contacts in
the southwest, as we barely know anyone in that region. Any and all
resources in more temperate climates would be an absolute blessing. This is
a truly intense situation, and we need all the help we can get in order to
make it through this!

Nicole has always been mildly EMF-sensitive, but after a hospital stay last
summer, it has just gotten stronger and stronger, to the point where no
amount of shielding does the trick. She cannot be in a house with any
electricity, flashlights, furnace, heater, ANYTHING, without having severe
symptoms.

sincerely,
Jason McGill

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Sorry to hear that Jason. I thought I was one of the most sensitive in the world but I think not now! 
You are a true hero taking care of your wife & acknowleding her illness!  Kudos!  Loni

--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Jason McGill <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Jason McGill <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] inquiry re: MCS/EMF resources
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 12:52 PM


 



Hello all, I haven't written in to the group in a long time. I am currently
taking care of my wife, Nicole, who suffers from severe MCS and EMF
sensitivity, as well as severe CFIDS. So, not only does she have very
little energy (and can barely walk a few feet), we are forced to live
outside in a tent, because she cannot be around any electricity
whatsoever...even batteries. We are in the process of having an Airstream
renovated, but we are most likely going to have to relocate once this winter
hits (we currently live in Vermont). We are attempting to find contacts in
the southwest, as we barely know anyone in that region. Any and all
resources in more temperate climates would be an absolute blessing. This is
a truly intense situation, and we need all the help we can get in order to
make it through this!

Nicole has always been mildly EMF-sensitive, but after a hospital stay last
summer, it has just gotten stronger and stronger, to the point where no
amount of shielding does the trick. She cannot be in a house with any
electricity, flashlights, furnace, heater, ANYTHING, without having severe
symptoms.

sincerely,
Jason McGill

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Yes I've been to Snow Flake. The junipers might be hard for her to take butthere is a bunch of CHS & EHS people living there. On grid & off grid. I can hook you up with someone that might be able to help in that area if you are interested Jason!  Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] inquiry re: MCS/EMF resources
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 5:48 PM


 



There is a community in Snowflake Arizona. I live in Ohio. I'm sure some ofthem are on here. If no one responds send me an email and I will see who Ican connect you with.
Regards,
Elizabeth

--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Jason McGill <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Jason McGill <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] inquiry re: MCS/EMF resources
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 3:52 PM

 

Hello all, I haven't written in to the group in a long time. I am currently
taking care of my wife, Nicole, who suffers from severe MCS and EMF
sensitivity, as well as severe CFIDS. So, not only does she have very
little energy (and can barely walk a few feet), we are forced to live
outside in a tent, because she cannot be around any electricity
whatsoever...even batteries. We are in the process of having an Airstream
renovated, but we are most likely going to have to relocate once this winter
hits (we currently live in Vermont). We are attempting to find contacts in
the southwest, as we barely know anyone in that region. Any and all
resources in more temperate climates would be an absolute blessing. This is
a truly intense situation, and we need all the help we can get in order to
make it through this!

Nicole has always been mildly EMF-sensitive, but after a hospital stay last
summer, it has just gotten stronger and stronger, to the point where no
amount of shielding does the trick. She cannot be in a house with any
electricity, flashlights, furnace, heater, ANYTHING, without having severe
symptoms.

sincerely,
Jason McGill

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More info on this organization with housing in Arizona:

http://reshelter.org

http://emfjournal.com/2010/06/07/new-housing-non-profit-addressing-environmental-sensitivities/

New Housing Non-Profit Forming with Focus on Environmental Sensitivities

Snowflake, Arizona USA – June 7, 2010 – Re|shelter is a new non-profit organization forming to address the urgent need for housing alternatives for people with environmental intolerances, who experience mild to life-threatening physical reactions to extremely low levels of chemicals, mold, electrical fields, and other environmental factors and have great difficulty living in their conventionally built homes.

Currently applying for 501(c)3 status, the charitable organization is committed to addressing the global housing crisis and high rates of homelessnessand suicide within vulnerable populations affected by disabling environmental sensitivities. Their activities will include fundraising, awarding housing aid grants, facilitating the design and construction of healthy homes and communities, and using the arts to promote awareness.

Co-founders Julie Genser and Julie Laffin formed the charity because "the need is so great, and no one else is doing it," says Genser. Genser and Laffin are hoping to direct funding from government and the private sector to help prevent homelessness and further suffering for those unable to secure safe housing due to their own limited resources. Both Genser and Laffin weredisabled by severe chemical, electrical and other environmental sensitivities within the last six years and have a firsthand understanding of the housing struggle for this population. The two met online four years ago in a group for artists with chemical sensitivities.

Genser and Laffin will comprise the Board of Directors. The Advisory Board has 16 notable members with experience working in related fields, or with the illness itself, including William J. Rea, M.D., a pioneer in environmental medicine and safer housing construction, Pamela Reed-Gibson, Ph.D., an author and researcher of the life impacts of environmental sensitivities, Magda Havas, Ph.D., an expert on the biological effects of electromagnetic radiation, Carl Grimes, President of the Indoor Air Quality Association, Bennie Howard, the former director of the Office of Disability at HUD, Susan Molloy, a long-time disability rights activist, and Paula Baker-Laporte, an architect experienced in building for those with environmental sensitivities.

Some of the group's planned projects include awarding home renovation grants to eligible individuals, construction of a clean air community as well asan emergency shelter, and an architecture school outreach program that educates students while collaborating on re|shelter's projects.

Genser studied Design and Environmental Analysis/Interior Design at CornellUniversity and coordinated construction projects prior to getting ill. Shehad just become certified in permaculture and ecovillage design, and was enrolled in an intensive 4-month sustainable architecture semester at ECOSA Institute when she became severely disabled by environmental illness and had to drop out of the program. She has unique insight into re|shelter's target population: the last five years she has moved seven times in search of safe housing that did not severely affect her health.

Laffin also knows the struggle of finding safe housing; she searches each summer for a place to escape the aerial crop spraying in her home county in northern Illinois. Driven by compassion and personal insight into the particular problem of housing for those with environmental illness, the two are very excited to be taking this important step, as there is no other organization in existence today that is solely focused on housing solutions for those with environmental intolerances.

Contact: [hidden email] | http://reshelter.org
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--- In [hidden email], Elizabeth Mumper <zil_mumper@...> wrote:

There is an interview on planet thrive (planetthrive.com, I think that's the URL) with a woman who, with her partner, is living in a remote stone cabin in Arizona. They're renovating it, she was in a tent for a long time. Shecan't be around EMF either. I think there is some kind of trombe wall to retain heat in winter, and a wood burning stove. Trombe walls are interesting. You could also consider a good yurt, made of wool. One can put wood burning stoves in those and they stay warm. The Mongolians still use them. Thatmight well allow you to stay in Vermont this winter. Perhaps you can rent a house on some acreage where you can put the yurt far enough away from theelectricity and still have access to the house to cook, shower, etc.

--- In [hidden email], Jason McGill <jasonmcgill@...> wrote:

Hi, Jason,
 
I had a question....  I have never heard of an ES person having problems with ES from batteries (not that I am doubting your wife; I am justtrying to clarify).  The problem that SOME Essers have with batteriesis draining the batteries when they touch them or change them, not with ESsymptoms from them.  Also, I have heard of some who have ES from particular items powered by the batteries: particular digital electronics/appliances, wifi electronics....  Are you saying that she has problems fromjust the batteries themselves?  Are these symptoms exactly the same as ES symptoms, or are they due to MCS?  Just curious.  It helps others to know what they are reacting to (and how) and since this was novel, I thought I'd ask. 
 
My best wishes to you and Nicole,
Diane

--- On Sat, 7/24/10, cocopollyphenol <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: cocopollyphenol <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: inquiry re: MCS/EMF resources
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 10:40 PM


 



There is an interview on planet thrive (planetthrive.com, I think that's the URL) with a woman who, with her partner, is living in a remote stone cabin in Arizona. They're renovating it, she was in a tent for a long time. Shecan't be around EMF either. I think there is some kind of trombe wall to retain heat in winter, and a wood burning stove. Trombe walls are interesting. You could also consider a good yurt, made of wool. One can put wood burning stoves in those and they stay warm. The Mongolians still use them. Thatmight well allow you to stay in Vermont this winter. Perhaps you can rent a house on some acreage where you can put the yurt far enough away from theelectricity and still have access to the house to cook, shower, etc.

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> I had a question....  I have never heard of an ES person having problems
> with ES from batteries

I think Charles might (?) have mentioned that some people have problems
with batteries. I don't know exactly what they'd be reacting to though,
or whether this would be considered "ES" (as a battery just sitting
out in the open isn't doing much)

Marc

There are a number of electrosensitives, who do react to batteries.

There are quite a number of quite different electrosensitives.
I mean persons who do react to quite different elektrosmog sources.
Persons who do react to the known sources like phone masts, but also to cell phones in standby modus.

So I have found that persons who did react formerly to heavy sources like mobile phone masts, DECT phones and wireless modems, and who did succeed in healing their immune system, and finally do not *feel* any of these aforementioned sources today, may react to very tiny amounts of what I call *dirty air*.
These amounts are hardly measurable.

Electrosensitives should be aware that for instance these demand switches can cause enormous *dirty air* as well as *dirty power*.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: Evie
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: inquiry re: MCS/EMF resources


Hi, Jason,

I had a question.... I have never heard of an ES person having problems with ES from batteries (not that I am doubting your wife; I am just trying to clarify). The problem that SOME Essers have with batteries is draining the batteries when they touch them or change them, not with ES symptoms from them. Also, I have heard of some who have ES from particular items powered by the batteries: particular digital electronics/appliances, wifi electronics.... Are you saying that she has problems from just the batteries themselves? Are these symptoms exactly the same as ES symptoms, or are they due to MCS? Just curious. It helps others to know what they are reacting to (and how) and since this was novel, I thought I'd ask.

My best wishes to you and Nicole,
Diane

--- On Sat, 7/24/10, cocopollyphenol <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: cocopollyphenol <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: inquiry re: MCS/EMF resources
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 10:40 PM






There is an interview on planet thrive (planetthrive.com, I think that's the URL) with a woman who, with her partner, is living in a remote stone cabin in Arizona. They're renovating it, she was in a tent for a long time. She can't be around EMF either. I think there is some kind of trombe wall to retain heat in winter, and a wood burning stove. Trombe walls are interesting. You could also consider a good yurt, made of wool. One can put wood burning stoves in those and they stay warm. The Mongolians still use them. That might well allow you to stay in Vermont this winter. Perhaps you can rent a house on some acreage where you can put the yurt far enough away from the electricity and still have access to the house to cook, shower, etc.

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Hi again, Marc,
 
I just assumed Charles was talking about people like me, who drain batteries.  Perhaps I have been assuming wrong, tho.  (Which was why I asked.  It sometimes helps to ask and then not assume, but know--and I actually get around to doing this sometimes!  lol)

Diane
--- On Mon, 7/26/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


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Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: inquiry re: MCS/EMF resources
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 12:33 PM


 



> I had a question....  I have never heard of an ES person having problems
> with ES from batteries

I think Charles might (?) have mentioned that some people have problems
with batteries. I don't know exactly what they'd be reacting to though,
or whether this would be considered "ES" (as a battery just sitting
out in the open isn't doing much)

Marc








     

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> There are a number of electrosensitives, who do react to batteries.

But do we know what they are reacting to? The battery slowly
discharging? The charge it is currently holding?
Offgassing of chemicals?

(do they react to "dead" batteries?)

Marc

> I just assumed Charles was talking about people like me, who drain
> batteries.

You know, we once had someone here who felt *better* around batteries...
in fact, this person put a "D" battery on top of their computer monitor
because it made them feel better while using the computer. Cheaper
than an EMF protection device, that's for sure!

Marc

I have heard that from others.

I myself came in the vicinity of such a person with a meter in my hand, which was in the off-position.
But when I came as close to 1 meter distance, this person got a red head, as an allergic reaction.

I do know of other persons who will get complete allergic reactions over their total body when a visitor comes with a cell phone in his pocket.
Perhaps it is also a reaction to the battery of this cell phone, in stead of the communications signals to the masts.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

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From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] batteries


> There are a number of electrosensitives, who do react to batteries.

But do we know what they are reacting to? The battery slowly
discharging? The charge it is currently holding?
Offgassing of chemicals?

(do they react to "dead" batteries?)

Marc


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My parents have a big battery that stays in the house that they use to power their electric golf cart - it gives me terrible symptoms and I have to keep moving it around the house so that it is at one end and I am at the other since distance from it is the only thing that helps.
 
Steph

--- On Mon, 26/7/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] batteries
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 26 July, 2010, 17:24


 



> I just assumed Charles was talking about people like me, who drain
> batteries.

You know, we once had someone here who felt *better* around batteries...
in fact, this person put a "D" battery on top of their computer monitor
because it made them feel better while using the computer. Cheaper
than an EMF protection device, that's for sure!

Marc








     

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> My parents have a big battery that stays in the house that they use to
> power their electric golf cart - it gives me terrible symptoms and I have
> to keep moving it around the house so that it is at one end and I am at
> the other since distance from it is the only thing that helps.

Does the battery give you the same kind of symptoms that you get from other
EMF sources, or are the symptoms you get from the battery unique?

Marc

> I do know of other persons who will get complete allergic reactions over
> their total body when a visitor comes with a cell phone in his pocket.
> Perhaps it is also a reaction to the battery of this cell phone, in stead
> of the communications signals to the masts.

I wonder if this applies to battery-operated wrist-watches as well...
there are a few watches which don't require batteries (manual
winding or self-winding based on body motion). I wonder if an
ES person might react badly to a battery-operated watch but not
to a watch that contains no battery?

Marc

I have a battery operated mattress pad I would love to use in the winter when sleeping outdoors but I react to it so can't use it. Loni

--- On Mon, 7/26/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] batteries
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 10:12 AM


 



> There are a number of electrosensitives, who do react to batteries.

But do we know what they are reacting to? The battery slowly
discharging? The charge it is currently holding?
Offgassing of chemicals?

(do they react to "dead" batteries?)

Marc








     

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Interesting observation:
* A battery-powered clock doesn't register on Trifield meter.
* However, a battery-powered hand-sewing machine does register on Trifield meter.  

How does this happen? I read this:
"Direct current motors, when they're spinning, put out alternating fields as well as DC fields, which are detectable on an AC gaussmeter when their rpms are within the meter's frequency range."
I read this from http://electromagnetichealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/emf_test_of_2007_toyota_prius_hybrid-3.pdf:

Good thing that Singer is selling the manual hand-crank sewing machines again. Completely mechanical...  

Otherwise, if the battery is not in use, maybe another consideration is thechemicals in the battery?

--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote:
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> I have a battery operated mattress pad I would love to use in the winter when sleeping outdoors but I react to it so can't use it. Loni
>

But is it connected to a charger when you react?
The DC electric field should be very easy to screen.
A piece of foil across the (insulated) connectors should
do it (don't short out the battery).

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