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My dear husband bought me a brand-new 27" iMac for my birthday. He spent a great deal of time researching it (he heard that macs tend to be better than PCs in terms of electrosensitivity?) and he spoke at length to the people at the apple store to see that whatever wireless features it has can be turned off.
So he surprised me with it this evening and it was so sweet but within moments I had that throat-squeezing, chest-gripping sensation that just kept getting worse the longer we left it on. We turned everything off that they showed him, but it still doesn't seem to help. Hubby knew that this was a possibility, but I feel bad that he put so much thought and time (not to mention cash) into this gift and I would love to try and make it work out...so I thought I'd try to contact apple and see if there is anything else going on in there that I should know, but I thought I'd arm myself first with any information you folks might have, so that I would know what questions to ask. By way of background (I haven't been posting regularly for a very long time...) I spent 8 years in a house that had high voltage wires in the backyard. 4 of those were truly hellish, with both me and my children suffering from all sorts of nervous system problems. My husband never noticed any problems. We finally moved last October to a house that we carefully tested, has lots of trees around it and is far enough away from other houses to avoid their wi-fi. So things have been pretty decent lately, but I always react strongly to anything with GPS, and for some reason especially iPhones and iPads give me a lot of trouble, though I can't say why; I always assumed it was because they have GPS, since I get the same sort of sensation from both. So if I were going to call apple today, these are the questions I would be asking: 1. Even though the wireless is turned off, is there still a signal? (Like with printers...they are continually trawling for a signal...) 2. Ditto for the bluetooth (which is intended to control the wireless keyboard and mouse; we have wired versions, so this is turned off...) 3. Is there a GPS transponder (or whatever you call it) embedded? If so, is there any way to have it turned off or removed? But I don't know what else to ask about. Is there anything that anybody would suggest I look into? What else could be causing this problem? Or are there other Mac computers that tend to give people fewer problems? I would love any words of wisdom any of you may have. Thanks so much in advance, Lisa |
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> What else could be causing this problem?
> Or are there other Mac computers that tend to give people fewer problems? Offgassing of chemicals in a new computer... EMF frequencies being put out by the hard drive, video card, CPU, power supply... It's not just wireless that's the problem. Computers can be very hit & miss... some are much better than others, and there isn't always an obvious explanation why that is. So it becomes trial & error. That said, someone here said they didn't have problems with a Mac Mini (not sure if there are more than one "Mac Minis") Marc |
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Hello Lisa,
I really can't help with what you should ask the Mac people but I wanted you to know that I became electrically sensitive because of living 8 years very close to high voltage power lines. At the time, I only felt jittery at night. I friend suggested I contact a bau biologist. He came with his meters and other paraphernalia and told me to move as soon as possible. The particular power lines were most active at night which is precisely when I felt that jittery feeling. I moved but I'm still extremely electrically sensitive. I can only work on a computer because its in a computer box built especially for people with ES and MCS. I have often thought of getting a lap top but even a kindle bothers me. Perhaps you need to air out your birthday gift for a while. Might you be reacting to the newness of it and the fumes? I hope things work out well for you and I'll be watching to read what others have to say. Thanks for your post. Estelle [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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On July 20, lthngsbrtnbtfl2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> he heard that macs tend to be better than PCs in terms of electrosensitivity? I've occasionally heard that Macs are supposed to be better than PCs for ES, however I've never actually heard a compelling reason for why that would be. So I'm inclined to think that it is a myth. After all, the absolute worst cellphones for ES seem to be made by Apple, so why would their computers be any better? And if you're going to counter by saying that Apple uses "greener" materials, I'll counter by saying that Lenovo is probably as good or better in that regard (PC). I switched from a Mac to a PC years ago, when I was more ES than I am now. I don't recall any difference from an ES perspective. For me, it seems like the monitor, the video card, and the resolution I run them at are the primary problems. And extended hard drive/network traffic being #2. I'd say that in general, the most tolerable computer is the one you can distance yourself most from -- so that would be a desktop computer that's as far away as possible, so you are only close to the keyboard and mouse. And a computer monitor that is large enough that you can put it at least a few feet away from you (I prefer small HDTV sets to computer monitors -- nice and big with fairly low resolution). Also, older stuff is typically more tolerable than newer stuff -- either because they are operating at lower frequencies, or because they have offgassed. But there are always exceptions to the generalities, so I'm sure one could find a particular newer laptop that is better than a particular older desktop, etc. Marc |
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Hi Lisa,
I also have a 27" iMac which I bought two years ago before I knew that I had EHS. iMacs are a poor choice for those with EHS because the CPU is inside the display. The electronics aren't well shielded, and you can't move far enough away. You can verify that there is plenty of radiation coming off the computer by using an AM radio. When I set my radio to 1.7 MHz it starts getting really loud at a distance of 1.3 meters. When I found out that my iMac was making my headache worse, I made several changes that ended up helping a little bit, but it's not a long-term solution. I switched to wired keyboard and router, and set the computer as far back as the USB cable allows. I reduced the screen resolution and magnify the text as needed. Remember to turn bluetooth off in system preferences. I also use a grounding mat, but I'm not sure whether that helps. I had heard that the MacBook Air might be a good choice since it has an LED display and a solid state drive, and you can run it off the battery. So I bought one a few months ago, and was shocked to see how strong it radiates, worse than my old MacBook from 2002! It's a little better with an external keyboard, but then the display is a little too far to see since it's only 13". So I'm planning on getting an external monitor and using the MacBook in clamshell mode. I'm also thinking about shielding the cables and the keyboard. A Mac Mini might have been a better choice... Luckily, I don't seem to react much to my iPad, so I'm trying to use it as much as possible. Hope that helps, Rolf |
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Eat the stinking Apple restocking fee and return this thing. Your going to have to cherry pick a computer that is more tolerable. Forget about the new Macbook Pro too. Eli --- In [hidden email], "lthngsbrtnbtfl2" <lbergman2@...> wrote: > > My dear husband bought me a brand-new 27" iMac for my birthday. He spent a great deal of time researching it (he heard that macs tend to be better than PCs in terms of electrosensitivity?) and he spoke at length to the people at the apple store to see that whatever wireless features it has can be turned off. > > So he surprised me with it this evening and it was so sweet but within moments I had that throat-squeezing, chest-gripping sensation that just kept getting worse the longer we left it on. We turned everything off that they showed him, but it still doesn't seem to help. > > Hubby knew that this was a possibility, but I feel bad that he put so much thought and time (not to mention cash) into this gift and I would love to try and make it work out...so I thought I'd try to contact apple and see if there is anything else going on in there that I should know, but I thought I'd arm myself first with any information you folks might have, so that I would know what questions to ask. > > By way of background (I haven't been posting regularly for a very long time...) I spent 8 years in a house that had high voltage wires in the backyard. 4 of those were truly hellish, with both me and my children suffering from all sorts of nervous system problems. My husband never noticed any problems. > > We finally moved last October to a house that we carefully tested, has lots of trees around it and is far enough away from other houses to avoid their wi-fi. So things have been pretty decent lately, but I always react strongly to anything with GPS, and for some reason especially iPhones and iPads give me a lot of trouble, though I can't say why; I always assumed it was because they have GPS, since I get the same sort of sensation from both. > > So if I were going to call apple today, these are the questions I would be asking: > 1. Even though the wireless is turned off, is there still a signal? (Like with printers...they are continually trawling for a signal...) > 2. Ditto for the bluetooth (which is intended to control the wireless keyboard and mouse; we have wired versions, so this is turned off...) > 3. Is there a GPS transponder (or whatever you call it) embedded? If so, is there any way to have it turned off or removed? > > But I don't know what else to ask about. Is there anything that anybody would suggest I look into? What else could be causing this problem? Or are there other Mac computers that tend to give people fewer problems? I would love any words of wisdom any of you may have. > > Thanks so much in advance, > Lisa > |
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I have a Mini. The old Mini was better because the power supply was separated and I could put it farther away from me on the floor. Now the power supply is built in. It still doesn't give off a hot zone on my gauss meter if it is around 2 feet away from me which is pretty good. I have my own wired mouse and keyboard. I think the Mini is pretty much the best bet out of all computers. I am also MCS and I didnt smell any chemicals from the Mini.
I also recommend a good surge suppressor. Marc recommneded the Furman 8D (?) and I like it alot. I currently have one on my TV and I will replace my battery back UPS that my computer is plugged into soon. Steve --- In [hidden email], "Rolf" <muertter@...> wrote: > > Hi Lisa, > > I also have a 27" iMac which I bought two years ago before I knew that I had EHS. iMacs are a poor choice for those with EHS because the CPU is inside the display. The electronics aren't well shielded, and you can't move far enough away. You can verify that there is plenty of radiation coming off the computer by using an AM radio. When I set my radio to 1.7 MHz it starts getting really loud at a distance of 1.3 meters. > > When I found out that my iMac was making my headache worse, I made several changes that ended up helping a little bit, but it's not a long-term solution. I switched to wired keyboard and router, and set the computer as far back as the USB cable allows. I reduced the screen resolution and magnify the text as needed. Remember to turn bluetooth off in system preferences. I also use a grounding mat, but I'm not sure whether that helps. > > I had heard that the MacBook Air might be a good choice since it has an LED display and a solid state drive, and you can run it off the battery. So I bought one a few months ago, and was shocked to see how strong it radiates, worse than my old MacBook from 2002! It's a little better with an external keyboard, but then the display is a little too far to see since it's only 13". So I'm planning on getting an external monitor and using the MacBook in clamshell mode. I'm also thinking about shielding the cables and the keyboard. A Mac Mini might have been a better choice... > > Luckily, I don't seem to react much to my iPad, so I'm trying to use it as much as possible. > > Hope that helps, > Rolf > |
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At this point we have tried several things, have contacted Apple customer service, etc. but all of them say that we've done everything doable to control the EMFs on this monster. My body says otherwise. Ironically, even my husband (who is not sensitive!!!) says he feels crummy after using it for just half an hour. As strange as it sounds, both my daughters and I have had trouble sleeping and have been exhausted JUST HAVING IT IN THE HOUSE, UNPLUGGED. What on earth is in this thing???
So we're going to return it, but I'm not sure whether getting a Mac Mini will be any better...does anyone out there have a Mac Mini from the past year or two, and has it worked OK for you or did you need additional shielding? Thanks again, Lisa --- In [hidden email], "Rolf" <muertter@...> wrote: > > Hi Lisa, > > I also have a 27" iMac which I bought two years ago before I knew that I had EHS. iMacs are a poor choice for those with EHS because the CPU is inside the display. The electronics aren't well shielded, and you can't move far enough away. You can verify that there is plenty of radiation coming off the computer by using an AM radio. When I set my radio to 1.7 MHz it starts getting really loud at a distance of 1.3 meters. > > When I found out that my iMac was making my headache worse, I made several changes that ended up helping a little bit, but it's not a long-term solution. I switched to wired keyboard and router, and set the computer as far back as the USB cable allows. I reduced the screen resolution and magnify the text as needed. Remember to turn bluetooth off in system preferences. I also use a grounding mat, but I'm not sure whether that helps. > > I had heard that the MacBook Air might be a good choice since it has an LED display and a solid state drive, and you can run it off the battery. So I bought one a few months ago, and was shocked to see how strong it radiates, worse than my old MacBook from 2002! It's a little better with an external keyboard, but then the display is a little too far to see since it's only 13". So I'm planning on getting an external monitor and using the MacBook in clamshell mode. I'm also thinking about shielding the cables and the keyboard. A Mac Mini might have been a better choice... > > Luckily, I don't seem to react much to my iPad, so I'm trying to use it as much as possible. > > Hope that helps, > Rolf > |
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The Apple stuff is emitting what I cal *dirty air*.
These are frequencies from 5kHz up to 30MHz. And electrosensitives can react to them heavily. The only remedy is the trash can. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by NIS2012 ----- Original Message ----- From: lthngsbrtnbtfl2 To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 15:55 Subject: [eSens] was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? At this point we have tried several things, have contacted Apple customer service, etc. but all of them say that we've done everything doable to control the EMFs on this monster. My body says otherwise. Ironically, even my husband (who is not sensitive!!!) says he feels crummy after using it for just half an hour. As strange as it sounds, both my daughters and I have had trouble sleeping and have been exhausted JUST HAVING IT IN THE HOUSE, UNPLUGGED. What on earth is in this thing??? So we're going to return it, but I'm not sure whether getting a Mac Mini will be any better...does anyone out there have a Mac Mini from the past year or two, and has it worked OK for you or did you need additional shielding? Thanks again, Lisa --- In [hidden email], "Rolf" <muertter@...> wrote: > > Hi Lisa, > > I also have a 27" iMac which I bought two years ago before I knew that I had EHS. iMacs are a poor choice for those with EHS because the CPU is inside the display. The electronics aren't well shielded, and you can't move far enough away. You can verify that there is plenty of radiation coming off the computer by using an AM radio. When I set my radio to 1.7 MHz it starts getting really loud at a distance of 1.3 meters. > > When I found out that my iMac was making my headache worse, I made several changes that ended up helping a little bit, but it's not a long-term solution. I switched to wired keyboard and router, and set the computer as far back as the USB cable allows. I reduced the screen resolution and magnify the text as needed. Remember to turn bluetooth off in system preferences. I also use a grounding mat, but I'm not sure whether that helps. > > I had heard that the MacBook Air might be a good choice since it has an LED display and a solid state drive, and you can run it off the battery. So I bought one a few months ago, and was shocked to see how strong it radiates, worse than my old MacBook from 2002! It's a little better with an external keyboard, but then the display is a little too far to see since it's only 13". So I'm planning on getting an external monitor and using the MacBook in clamshell mode. I'm also thinking about shielding the cables and the keyboard. A Mac Mini might have been a better choice... > > Luckily, I don't seem to react much to my iPad, so I'm trying to use it as much as possible. > > Hope that helps, > Rolf > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> As strange as it sounds, both my daughters and I have had trouble
> sleeping and have been exhausted JUST HAVING IT IN THE HOUSE, > UNPLUGGED. Wow, that is strange... doesn't sound like an EMF issue, but would be interesting to know what's going on... > I'm not sure whether getting a Mac Mini will be any better... I looked on eBay, and it looks like Apple came out with new "Mac Minis" every year since 2005. So I'm not sure if there are "good years" or "bad years" for this. Me, I'm currently trying out a 2010 Lenovo desktop/tower (M58e), modified with a SSD hard drive. Doesn't seem so bad, when used up with a mid 1990s keyboard, a late 1990s mouse, a 2009 HDTV, a Quantum Home on top of it, Quantum Byte software running on it, and plugged into a Furman linear filtering power strip... (ahh, the things we go through to make our computers more tolerable) Marc |
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On July 23, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The Apple stuff is emitting what I cal *dirty air*. > > These are frequencies from 5kHz up to 30MHz. Even when it is unplugged?? Marc |
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Magnetic fields may remain in electrical appliances, when they are not grounded properly.
That was the first thing I learned 13 years ago with our microwave oven. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by NIS2012 ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Martin To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 16:11 Subject: Re: [eSens] was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? On July 23, charles <[hidden email]> wrote: > The Apple stuff is emitting what I cal *dirty air*. > > These are frequencies from 5kHz up to 30MHz. Even when it is unplugged?? Marc ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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The older Mini (with the white top) was great. The new Mini I do feel something from because they put the power supply inside the case now. However, I have a very small apt. with a small desk. If I had a larger desk i could move it another foot away and I think it would be fine.
Steve --- In [hidden email], "lthngsbrtnbtfl2" <lbergman2@...> wrote: > > At this point we have tried several things, have contacted Apple customer service, etc. but all of them say that we've done everything doable to control the EMFs on this monster. My body says otherwise. Ironically, even my husband (who is not sensitive!!!) says he feels crummy after using it for just half an hour. As strange as it sounds, both my daughters and I have had trouble sleeping and have been exhausted JUST HAVING IT IN THE HOUSE, UNPLUGGED. What on earth is in this thing??? > > So we're going to return it, but I'm not sure whether getting a Mac Mini will be any better...does anyone out there have a Mac Mini from the past year or two, and has it worked OK for you or did you need additional shielding? > > Thanks again, > Lisa > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Rolf" <muertter@> wrote: > > > > Hi Lisa, > > > > I also have a 27" iMac which I bought two years ago before I knew that I had EHS. iMacs are a poor choice for those with EHS because the CPU is inside the display. The electronics aren't well shielded, and you can't move far enough away. You can verify that there is plenty of radiation coming off the computer by using an AM radio. When I set my radio to 1.7 MHz it starts getting really loud at a distance of 1.3 meters. > > > > When I found out that my iMac was making my headache worse, I made several changes that ended up helping a little bit, but it's not a long-term solution. I switched to wired keyboard and router, and set the computer as far back as the USB cable allows. I reduced the screen resolution and magnify the text as needed. Remember to turn bluetooth off in system preferences. I also use a grounding mat, but I'm not sure whether that helps. > > > > I had heard that the MacBook Air might be a good choice since it has an LED display and a solid state drive, and you can run it off the battery. So I bought one a few months ago, and was shocked to see how strong it radiates, worse than my old MacBook from 2002! It's a little better with an external keyboard, but then the display is a little too far to see since it's only 13". So I'm planning on getting an external monitor and using the MacBook in clamshell mode. I'm also thinking about shielding the cables and the keyboard. A Mac Mini might have been a better choice... > > > > Luckily, I don't seem to react much to my iPad, so I'm trying to use it as much as possible. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Rolf > > > |
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I can hear my TV buzzing even when it's turned off (CRT).
--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Magnetic fields may remain in electrical appliances, when they are not grounded properly. > > That was the first thing I learned 13 years ago with our microwave oven. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by NIS2012 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Martin > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 16:11 > Subject: Re: [eSens] was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? > > > On July 23, charles <charles@...> wrote: > > The Apple stuff is emitting what I cal *dirty air*. > > > > These are frequencies from 5kHz up to 30MHz. > > Even when it is unplugged?? > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Well, I guess the apple tech my husband spoke to did say that there is a "GPS chip" in it but that it is only active when the wireless is on. I don't think this is entirely true, but I am having a hard time understanding how all that works in the first place.
For some reason, I am very sensitive to GPS. It's like a krypton death ray for me. Most things will affect me either within minutes or within hours, but GPS is like being hooked up to a defibrillator the moment it's turned on (OK, well, at least that's what I imagine it would be like...I've never actually been hooked up to one...) But I don't really understand why this happens, because according to what I've read about how GPS works, your average handheld device is not transmitting but only receiving a signal. (Supposedly...of course then the question becomes how do they use them to track people if it's not transmitting?) So then why does it turn me into a blob of protoplasm with no will to live? Something as simple as the GPS chip they put in an Illinois IPass transponder was enough to make me unable to function properly within minutes. (for those who don't know what I'm talking about, it's what allows you to pay the tolls in a toll booth without stopping.) Burying it under everything I could find helped, but then of course it didn't work. :) (BTW, I replaced it with an EZPass from Indiana and that solved the problem...) So the only thing I can figure out is that just sitting there, it's passively receiving a minor signal...if I turn it on, it's much worse, but even now I can feel it very weakly. Just sitting there on my desk unplugged it's bothering me enough that I don't even want to move. My heart is racing and I am exhausted. I haven't had a good night's sleep since it got parked in our house. We are definitely going to get rid of it...but I have serious doubts about whether a Mac mini will be an improvement. I spoke to a guy at a computer store today and he explained that the Macs all have wireless and bluetooth built in...as in, they're part of the main board and cannot be removed. In contrast, most PCs do not have these built in, and those that come with it, it's a separate component that can be removed. I think this would be the best route (especially since I haven't used a Mac in over 20 years and would have to learn a whole new operating system...) So I hope that helps anyone else out there who wanted more info on this topic. I will update with more info about what we end up with and how it works. Thanks to all who responded! Lisa --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Magnetic fields may remain in electrical appliances, when they are not grounded properly. > > That was the first thing I learned 13 years ago with our microwave oven. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by NIS2012 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Martin > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 16:11 > Subject: Re: [eSens] was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? > > > On July 23, charles <charles@...> wrote: > > The Apple stuff is emitting what I cal *dirty air*. > > > > These are frequencies from 5kHz up to 30MHz. > > Even when it is unplugged?? > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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No, that is a wrong conclusion.
GPS does not harm electrosensitives. But GPS, connected with Bluetooth is horrible. This is in combination with *Live* information. However, I succeeded in having a GPS without that. I have a Navigon. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by NIS2012 ----- Original Message ----- From: lthngsbrtnbtfl2 To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 20:46 Subject: [eSens] Re: was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? Well, I guess the apple tech my husband spoke to did say that there is a "GPS chip" in it but that it is only active when the wireless is on. I don't think this is entirely true, but I am having a hard time understanding how all that works in the first place. For some reason, I am very sensitive to GPS. It's like a krypton death ray for me. Most things will affect me either within minutes or within hours, but GPS is like being hooked up to a defibrillator the moment it's turned on (OK, well, at least that's what I imagine it would be like...I've never actually been hooked up to one...) But I don't really understand why this happens, because according to what I've read about how GPS works, your average handheld device is not transmitting but only receiving a signal. (Supposedly...of course then the question becomes how do they use them to track people if it's not transmitting?) So then why does it turn me into a blob of protoplasm with no will to live? Something as simple as the GPS chip they put in an Illinois IPass transponder was enough to make me unable to function properly within minutes. (for those who don't know what I'm talking about, it's what allows you to pay the tolls in a toll booth without stopping.) Burying it under everything I could find helped, but then of course it didn't work. :) (BTW, I replaced it with an EZPass from Indiana and that solved the problem...) So the only thing I can figure out is that just sitting there, it's passively receiving a minor signal...if I turn it on, it's much worse, but even now I can feel it very weakly. Just sitting there on my desk unplugged it's bothering me enough that I don't even want to move. My heart is racing and I am exhausted. I haven't had a good night's sleep since it got parked in our house. We are definitely going to get rid of it...but I have serious doubts about whether a Mac mini will be an improvement. I spoke to a guy at a computer store today and he explained that the Macs all have wireless and bluetooth built in...as in, they're part of the main board and cannot be removed. In contrast, most PCs do not have these built in, and those that come with it, it's a separate component that can be removed. I think this would be the best route (especially since I haven't used a Mac in over 20 years and would have to learn a whole new operating system...) So I hope that helps anyone else out there who wanted more info on this topic. I will update with more info about what we end up with and how it works. Thanks to all who responded! Lisa --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Magnetic fields may remain in electrical appliances, when they are not grounded properly. > > That was the first thing I learned 13 years ago with our microwave oven. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by NIS2012 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Martin > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 16:11 > Subject: Re: [eSens] was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? > > > On July 23, charles <charles@...> wrote: > > The Apple stuff is emitting what I cal *dirty air*. > > > > These are frequencies from 5kHz up to 30MHz. > > Even when it is unplugged?? > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I spoke to a guy at a computer store today and he explained
> that the Macs all have wireless and bluetooth built in... That's a problem with using a Mac -- you are limited to what Apple offers. With a PC, there are various companies that offer different things, and you can (hopefully) find something that works for you. Marc |
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> But I don't really understand why this happens, because
> according to what I've read about how GPS works, your > average handheld device is not transmitting but only > receiving a signal. That's right -- GPS is only receiving. But people still react to them. But people do report weird things like that -- heck, I used to react to my work ID badge! (this had a proximity antenna in it, but no batteries) Marc |
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In few years ago I had a portable GPS for the car. After leaving the cradle in a car rental, subsequent uses of it left me holding it by hand when I wanted to see something. I had such a reaction from it, far worse than ever using a cell phone. My arms were very sensitive up to my elbows. It would take several hours before I would return to a normal feeling.
________________________________ From: charles <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? No, that is a wrong conclusion. GPS does not harm electrosensitives. But GPS, connected with Bluetooth is horrible. This is in combination with *Live* information. However, I succeeded in having a GPS without that. I have a Navigon. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie http://www.milieuziektes.nl/ www.milieuziektes.be http://www.hetbitje.nl/ checked by NIS2012 ----- Original Message ----- From: lthngsbrtnbtfl2 To: mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 20:46 Subject: [eSens] Re: was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? Well, I guess the apple tech my husband spoke to did say that there is a "GPS chip" in it but that it is only active when the wireless is on. I don't think this is entirely true, but I am having a hard time understanding how all that works in the first place. For some reason, I am very sensitive to GPS. It's like a krypton death ray for me. Most things will affect me either within minutes or within hours, but GPS is like being hooked up to a defibrillator the moment it's turned on (OK, well, at least that's what I imagine it would be like...I've never actually been hooked up to one...) But I don't really understand why this happens, because according to what I've read about how GPS works, your average handheld device is not transmitting but only receiving a signal. (Supposedly...of course then the question becomes how do they use them to track people if it's not transmitting?) So then why does it turn me into a blob of protoplasm with no will to live? Something as simple as the GPS chip they put in an Illinois IPass transponder was enough to make me unable to function properly within minutes. (for those who don't know what I'm talking about, it's what allows you to pay the tolls in a toll booth without stopping.) Burying it under everything I could find helped, but then of course it didn't work. :) (BTW, I replaced it with an EZPass from Indiana and that solved the problem...) So the only thing I can figure out is that just sitting there, it's passively receiving a minor signal...if I turn it on, it's much worse, but even now I can feel it very weakly. Just sitting there on my desk unplugged it's bothering me enough that I don't even want to move. My heart is racing and I am exhausted. I haven't had a good night's sleep since it got parked in our house. We are definitely going to get rid of it...but I have serious doubts about whether a Mac mini will be an improvement. I spoke to a guy at a computer store today and he explained that the Macs all have wireless and bluetooth built in...as in, they're part of the main board and cannot be removed. In contrast, most PCs do not have these built in, and those that come with it, it's a separate component that can be removed. I think this would be the best route (especially since I haven't used a Mac in over 20 years and would have to learn a whole new operating system...) So I hope that helps anyone else out there who wanted more info on this topic. I will update with more info about what we end up with and how it works. Thanks to all who responded! Lisa --- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > Magnetic fields may remain in electrical appliances, when they are not grounded properly. > > That was the first thing I learned 13 years ago with our microwave oven. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by NIS2012 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Martin > To: mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 16:11 > Subject: Re: [eSens] was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? > > > On July 23, charles <charles@...> wrote: > > The Apple stuff is emitting what I cal *dirty air*. > > > > These are frequencies from 5kHz up to 30MHz. > > Even when it is unplugged?? > > Marc > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Charles,
According to the way that GPS is supposed to work, that makes sense. Is there any way you can help me to deduce what is causing my problem then? I know for certain that I can't bear to use the GPS that is installed in our 2006 Honda Odyssey. It is unbearable within seconds. I had the same sensation when I used this tollway device--they call it a transponder...it is supposed to have a battery in it, but it is supposed to only be activated when you near a tollbooth. Even with the car parked out in the driveway I could feel its signal coming through the window. We had to take it off the windshield and bury it under a blanket down by the wheel well. Exchanging it for a different transponder from a different state solved the problem. The only difference I could think of was that the first one had a GPS chip in it...but wouldn't a bluetooth (or a similar device that would SEND a signal) require a lot of battery power? These units are sealed and there is no way to change/replace/recharge a battery... With the Mac, once again, I felt the same horrific feeling right away, even with the wireless and the bluetooth disabled. I again suspected GPS and Apple confirmed there is a chip in there... Is it physically possible to be sensitive to the signal from the satellite that is received by the chip??? It seems unlikely, but I don't know how to explain my sensitivity to the transponder otherwise. Sorry to bother you with my questions. I just wish I could understand this better so that I know what to avoid. Many thanks, Lisa --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote: > > No, that is a wrong conclusion. > > GPS does not harm electrosensitives. > > But GPS, connected with Bluetooth is horrible. > This is in combination with *Live* information. > > However, I succeeded in having a GPS without that. > I have a Navigon. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by NIS2012 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lthngsbrtnbtfl2 > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 20:46 > Subject: [eSens] Re: was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? > > > Well, I guess the apple tech my husband spoke to did say that there is a "GPS chip" in it but that it is only active when the wireless is on. I don't think this is entirely true, but I am having a hard time understanding how all that works in the first place. > > For some reason, I am very sensitive to GPS. It's like a krypton death ray for me. Most things will affect me either within minutes or within hours, but GPS is like being hooked up to a defibrillator the moment it's turned on (OK, well, at least that's what I imagine it would be like...I've never actually been hooked up to one...) > > But I don't really understand why this happens, because according to what I've read about how GPS works, your average handheld device is not transmitting but only receiving a signal. (Supposedly...of course then the question becomes how do they use them to track people if it's not transmitting?) So then why does it turn me into a blob of protoplasm with no will to live? > > Something as simple as the GPS chip they put in an Illinois IPass transponder was enough to make me unable to function properly within minutes. (for those who don't know what I'm talking about, it's what allows you to pay the tolls in a toll booth without stopping.) Burying it under everything I could find helped, but then of course it didn't work. :) (BTW, I replaced it with an EZPass from Indiana and that solved the problem...) > > So the only thing I can figure out is that just sitting there, it's passively receiving a minor signal...if I turn it on, it's much worse, but even now I can feel it very weakly. Just sitting there on my desk unplugged it's bothering me enough that I don't even want to move. My heart is racing and I am exhausted. I haven't had a good night's sleep since it got parked in our house. > > We are definitely going to get rid of it...but I have serious doubts about whether a Mac mini will be an improvement. I spoke to a guy at a computer store today and he explained that the Macs all have wireless and bluetooth built in...as in, they're part of the main board and cannot be removed. In contrast, most PCs do not have these built in, and those that come with it, it's a separate component that can be removed. I think this would be the best route (especially since I haven't used a Mac in over 20 years and would have to learn a whole new operating system...) > > So I hope that helps anyone else out there who wanted more info on this topic. > > I will update with more info about what we end up with and how it works. > > Thanks to all who responded! > Lisa > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > Magnetic fields may remain in electrical appliances, when they are not grounded properly. > > > > That was the first thing I learned 13 years ago with our microwave oven. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by NIS2012 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marc Martin > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 16:11 > > Subject: Re: [eSens] was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? > > > > > > On July 23, charles <charles@> wrote: > > > The Apple stuff is emitting what I cal *dirty air*. > > > > > > These are frequencies from 5kHz up to 30MHz. > > > > Even when it is unplugged?? > > > > Marc > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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