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In this case, it wasn't just off, it was unplugged. No electric supply. But it still bothered me.
Once I boxed it up and put it in the room furthest from me, I started feeling a little better. But I felt best when it left the house. Lisa --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@...> wrote: > > I can hear my TV buzzing even when it's turned off (CRT). > > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote: > > > > Magnetic fields may remain in electrical appliances, when they are not grounded properly. > > > > That was the first thing I learned 13 years ago with our microwave oven. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.milieuziektes.be > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by NIS2012 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marc Martin > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 16:11 > > Subject: Re: [eSens] was: help with new iMac? now: is mac mini any better? > > > > > > On July 23, charles <charles@> wrote: > > > The Apple stuff is emitting what I cal *dirty air*. > > > > > > These are frequencies from 5kHz up to 30MHz. > > > > Even when it is unplugged?? > > > > Marc > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > |
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**Sigh** Yes, apparently there are GPS sensitives...I'm one... :(
I've tried shielding against it and it doesn't work...only thing that seems to work with GPS is burying it under mounds of blankets or other stuff that dampens it until it's bearable... Lisa --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > > But I don't really understand why this happens, because > > according to what I've read about how GPS works, your > > average handheld device is not transmitting but only > > receiving a signal. > > That's right -- GPS is only receiving. But people still > react to them. > > But people do report weird things like that -- heck, I > used to react to my work ID badge! (this had > a proximity antenna in it, but no batteries) > > Marc > |
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Here's a quick update:
We decided not to bother getting a Mac mini b/c it wasn't likely to be any better and didn't even have a DVD drive... So DH got a Dell Inspiron i620 with Windows 7 Professional. I wasn't with him, so I don't know whether none of the computers could have the wireless removed, but either way, again the wireless is built into the motherboard on this machine. (Grrr...) I disabled it and even uninstalled it but I can still feel something and I don't know whether it's something wireless or not. I called and talked to Dell and they said that a GPS chip is an option, but only if specifically requested. So according to them, there is no GPS chip here. I have some shielding fabric as well as some carbon absorbing sheets and have tried draping them over the machine but it makes no difference at all. I still feel tightening in the throat and upper chest and a heart flutter. The longer I use it the worse it gets. Now, I don't have it in its cabinet yet...I don't know if the wooden enclosure will help a little or not...but if the shielding fabric isn't helping... And once again, even though I've turned it off, I'm still feeling it...not as strongly, but still feeling it. This is so incredibly frustrating. Lisa --- In [hidden email], "lthngsbrtnbtfl2" <lbergman2@...> wrote: > > My dear husband bought me a brand-new 27" iMac for my birthday. He spent a great deal of time researching it (he heard that macs tend to be better than PCs in terms of electrosensitivity?) and he spoke at length to the people at the apple store to see that whatever wireless features it has can be turned off. > > So he surprised me with it this evening and it was so sweet but within moments I had that throat-squeezing, chest-gripping sensation that just kept getting worse the longer we left it on. We turned everything off that they showed him, but it still doesn't seem to help. > > Hubby knew that this was a possibility, but I feel bad that he put so much thought and time (not to mention cash) into this gift and I would love to try and make it work out...so I thought I'd try to contact apple and see if there is anything else going on in there that I should know, but I thought I'd arm myself first with any information you folks might have, so that I would know what questions to ask. > > By way of background (I haven't been posting regularly for a very long time...) I spent 8 years in a house that had high voltage wires in the backyard. 4 of those were truly hellish, with both me and my children suffering from all sorts of nervous system problems. My husband never noticed any problems. > > We finally moved last October to a house that we carefully tested, has lots of trees around it and is far enough away from other houses to avoid their wi-fi. So things have been pretty decent lately, but I always react strongly to anything with GPS, and for some reason especially iPhones and iPads give me a lot of trouble, though I can't say why; I always assumed it was because they have GPS, since I get the same sort of sensation from both. > > So if I were going to call apple today, these are the questions I would be asking: > 1. Even though the wireless is turned off, is there still a signal? (Like with printers...they are continually trawling for a signal...) > 2. Ditto for the bluetooth (which is intended to control the wireless keyboard and mouse; we have wired versions, so this is turned off...) > 3. Is there a GPS transponder (or whatever you call it) embedded? If so, is there any way to have it turned off or removed? > > But I don't know what else to ask about. Is there anything that anybody would suggest I look into? What else could be causing this problem? Or are there other Mac computers that tend to give people fewer problems? I would love any words of wisdom any of you may have. > > Thanks so much in advance, > Lisa > |
Re: Was: help with new iMac? now: update--new PC
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> And once again, even though I've turned it off, I'm still feeling it..
> not as strongly, but still feeling it. This is so incredibly frustrating. Indeed. I haven't had the best luck with recent stuff from Dell - a laptop Dell at work was very bothersome to me, and also a Dell monitor I recently bought was sent back for a refund. I have been luckier with items from Lenovo's ThinkPad and ThinkCentre lines -- although the models we have are about 2 years old (ThinkPad X200 and ThinkCentre M58e). One thing you can try with the Dell you just bought is to install the free trial "Quantum Byte" software. It may not make any difference, but it's worth a shot (it makes a difference for me): http://www.quantumproducts.com/quantumbytefreedownload/ Marc |
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> I have some shielding fabric as well as some carbon absorbing sheets and have tried draping them over the machine but it makes no difference at all. I still feel tightening in the throat and upper chest and a heart flutter. The longer I use it the worse it gets. > > Now, I don't have it in its cabinet yet...I don't know if the wooden enclosure will help a little or not...but if the shielding fabric isn't helping... > > And once again, even though I've turned it off, I'm still feeling it...not as strongly, but still feeling it. This is so incredibly frustrating. > Lisa, I understand how frustrating this all must be for you. Dell is one of the most toxic computers on the market. It sounds as if you may be suffering from a reaction to the computer itself and the chemical components used to build the computer. Have you explored Multiple Chemical Sensitivity? A lot of times it's hard to discern between the two illnesses. (as I've had MCS for years and thought I had EMS and only now realize I have got EMS as well as MCS. I would assume the reverse could be true as well.) I hope you can find answers to your troubles. Sincerely, Kat |
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Kat, You are correct. There is more then a connection between ES and Multiple Chemical Sensitivity. Some say they are two sides of the same coin. See below link. Studies have shown that micro wave radiation opens the blood brain barrier, which then allows toxins that wouldnt normally get into the brain, get in. Simply put, radiation injures the blood brain barrier, which sets off a domino effect and then allows chemicals/toxins into the brain. So when this happens, the body is rendered more sensitive to chemicals and more sensitive to electro magnetic fields. See: Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity and Multiple Chemical Sensitivity ... www.csn-deutschland.de/.../electromagnetic-hypersensitivity-and-mu... Lisa, When we have had this symptom of the tightening of the throat, we have found (my daughter and I- both ES) we have found liqiud Iodine drops to work well for this. Radiation effects the thyroid, which is the gland that needs the Iodine. I believe that radiation zaps/depletes the Iodine levels. This was shown in the history of Chernolby, with respect to the high amts of thyroid cancers that were caused from the nuclear fall out. I have always stated: Radiation is radiation, no matter in what form. You may also find high quality Omega 3s from animal sources help to heal the brain membraine tissues. Animal fat from organic butter, omega 3s from sardines are an option. I myself prefer to get as clean a source of fish / fish oil as possible. Carlsons sells a Fish Oil that is checked for purity. Should you decide to try the Iodine drops, the general rule is start with VERY low doses, one drp at a time, in water, and see how you do. For those who are especially sensitive, tiny doses may work better, and with the Iodine, some find it works better for them, to put one drop on the belly button, instead of taking it orally. May sound weird, buy hey, if it works, thats what matters. The brand I happen to really like is: www.magnascent.com Also, Magnesium Chloride Oil is another mineral that helps with throat tightening. I only recommend the brands I use, so for this one, I like the www. ancient-minerals.com brand. There are others on the market, but I found these work best for us. Blessings LIzzie Electromagnetic Hypersensitivity and Multiple Chemical Sensitivity ... www.csn-deutschland.de/.../electromagnetic-hypersensitivity-and-mu...To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 01:57:43 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Was: help with new iMac? now: update--new PC > I have some shielding fabric as well as some carbon absorbing sheets and have tried draping them over the machine but it makes no difference at all. I still feel tightening in the throat and upper chest and a heart flutter. The longer I use it the worse it gets. > > Now, I don't have it in its cabinet yet...I don't know if the wooden enclosure will help a little or not...but if the shielding fabric isn't helping... > > And once again, even though I've turned it off, I'm still feeling it...not as strongly, but still feeling it. This is so incredibly frustrating. > Lisa, I understand how frustrating this all must be for you. Dell is one of the most toxic computers on the market. It sounds as if you may be suffering from a reaction to the computer itself and the chemical components used to build the computer. Have you explored Multiple Chemical Sensitivity? A lot of times it's hard to discern between the two illnesses. (as I've had MCS for years and thought I had EMS and only now realize I have got EMS as well as MCS. I would assume the reverse could be true as well.) I hope you can find answers to your troubles. Sincerely, Kat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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My transponder for the San Francisco Bay Area FasTrak came with a
mylar bag to keep it in when I didn't want to use it. The instructions that came with it that when it was in the bag, it wouldn't work. I don't have a meter so I can't test to see if it's emitting anything through the bag. I keep it in my console, and only put it on the windshield when I have to cross a toll bridge (which is rarely). Esther On Jul 25, 2012, at 6:28 PM, lthngsbrtnbtfl2 wrote: > **Sigh** Yes, apparently there are GPS sensitives...I'm one... :( > > I've tried shielding against it and it doesn't work...only thing > that seems to work with GPS is burying it under mounds of blankets > or other stuff that dampens it until it's bearable... > > Lisa > > --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote: > > > > > But I don't really understand why this happens, because > > > according to what I've read about how GPS works, your > > > average handheld device is not transmitting but only > > > receiving a signal. > > > > That's right -- GPS is only receiving. But people still > > react to them. > > > > But people do report weird things like that -- heck, I > > used to react to my work ID badge! (this had > > a proximity antenna in it, but no batteries) > > > > Marc > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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