detox footbath

My chiropractor is pushing a detox footbath treatment -- and some of his patients swear it has helped them. The first one is free, so I tried it. I felt bad, but really it was becaue there were fluorescent lights in the room and I was stuck sitting there for a half hour. The colors and junk in the water was impressive (and they have charts about what each color means, of course).

I was skeptical anyway, so I googled it when I got home and found a youtubevideo of a guy using the same kind of machine, hooked up to a carrot. Theexact same thing happened to the water. Hmmmmm.......

Anyway, have any of you had experience (good,bad) with foot detox baths (orpads). Is there any way it could actually be working, or is it just a scam -- like the carrot suggests?

Amy

It works great!

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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Subject: [eSens] detox footbath

> Anyway, have any of you had experience (good,bad) with foot detox baths
> (or pads). Is there any way it could actually be working, or is it just
> a scam -- like the carrot suggests?

I had a terrible experience with an ionic footbath. It set back my
recovery by at least a year. My ES got much worse. My fatigue got
much worse. I was suddenly sensitive to noise. All of these were
symptoms that I had years previously, and thought I had gotten over.
But after the ionic footbath, they were back. I even had brand
new symptoms that I never had before -- for example, terrible
bloat after eating anything.

So I would not assume it is purely a scam. It does indeed do something.

I know that some people rave about these -- even on this group, Charles
has reported positive experiences, and lessening of ES symptoms for
his wife.

For me however, the ionic footbath seemed to have unleashed large
amounts of stored toxins, which then redistributed elsewhere and
caused damage. It may have also leached out nutrient minerals
that I was already deficient. I ended up spending many thousands
of dollars and many months to undo the damage from just a few of
these footbaths.

So I guess I'm the "worse case" scenario when it comes to these
footbaths. My chiro says that she has seen others with similarly
bad reactions to these footbaths, and this is the reason that
she does not have one in her office. But she admits that such
reactions are rare... like 1 person out of every 100.

Marc

Amy,

The footbaths proved a great help to my mother, who suffers from uranium poisoning (in addition to EHS). However, she used the device very carefully,under the supervision of a doctor. I believe they started slowly, as Marcsuggested.

PS I've read that some of the colors in the water are simply from the reaction of the salts and the copper, but I've also seen that the colors will vary quite a bit depending on the person. For example, my bath water turns out orange-brown, whereas my mother's is green-blue. I've also seen that the color intensity and physical sensations are greater if the person is highly toxic, or in "detox mode", so to speak.

Matt

I bought one - an expensive one.

No effect for me. And if you use distilled water it stays crystal
clear.

My friend used it and he got really ill - you are pumping electricity
into your body. So if you don't like electricity - stay away.

I have a feeling that it is a scam....

But if anyone wants one - it's for sale...

Bob


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> PS I've read that some of the colors in the water are simply from the
> reaction of the salts and the copper, but I've also seen that the
> colors will vary quite a bit depending on the person. For example,
> my bath water turns out orange-brown, whereas my mother's is green-
> blue.

And the water after my footbaths was black/dark brown, which they said
was due to heavy metals/liver detox. The person who administered this
was rather shocked at the magnitude of what had gone into the water... I
certainly recall many local practitioners saying that they had never
encountered anyone who was as poisoned as I was... who knows, maybe
they say that sort of thing to everyone... :-)

Marc

> No effect for me. And if you use distilled water it stays
> crystal clear.

That's the way it's supposed to work. The water needs to have some
minerals in it to conduct electricity so that the ions can get from the
emitter to your feet.

But yes, people sensitive to electricity certainly may have
a problem with this... although I think my reaction was
due to toxin mobilization / redistribution.

Marc

> I bought one - an expensive one. No effect for me.

By the way, this short discussion illustrates the problems in finding
things to try -- you ask 3 people about some form of treatment, and one
person says it works great, another person says its the worst thing
they've ever done, and a third person said it made no difference.

So it's impossible for us to predict what will happen for any
specific person.

Marc

Yep - they give you sea salt and the machine says to add salt until
the meter says stop. It needs to have a way to pass the current to
your body and the salt does the trick. However - as you know if there
is IRON in the water it goes red - - it all depends on the minerals
that are in the water the determins the color.

But - if you use distilled water with pure salt - the water stays
crystal clear. So - don't think that the toxins are coming out of
your body as a colour. That is a marketing gimic I think.

Plus - if you are EHS - you don't want to be pumping electricity into
your feet. Detox with other things that are chemical oriented. .

And beware of the far infrared sauna with ehs, - I bought one and the
magnetic fields are very high - it's like being beside an electrical
pannel. It removes the mercury in the sweat - but it's a yin yang
thng. Better to detox in a steam room or sweat lodge.


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> However - as you know if there is IRON in the water it goes red - -
> it all depends on the minerals that are in the water the determine
> the color.

Well, not entirely... if 2 different people use the same footbath with
the same type of water and minerals in the water, one person may produce
greeny foamy stuff while another person may produce black sludge.
So it's more than just what's in the water.

> But - if you use distilled water with pure salt - the water stays
> crystal clear. So - don't think that the toxins are coming out of
> your body as a colour. That is a marketing gimic I think.

If you use distilled water, then the whole thing doesn't work, as
no ions reach your body. So that's simply misusing it, not the sign
of a gimmick.

But for me, the big problem occurred about 24 hours AFTER the footbath was
over. For the first 24 hours I actually felt really good. Then I
started dumping toxins, and I guess my body couldn't handle what was
being dumped. That is what makes it unsafe in my opinion. Some people
claim that the ionic footbath gives your body extra energy so that it can
detox itself over the next 48 hours. That pretty much matches my
experience, except that the detox did more harm than good.

Marc

Hi, Marc,
 
you wrote:
"By the way, this short discussion illustrates the problems in finding
things to try -- you ask 3 people about some form of treatment, and one
person says it works great, another person says its the worst thing
they've ever done, and a third person said it made no difference."

yes, true!  but you can see a bit of reason in it if you read between thelines.  for instance, Bob did not use correctly and reacted further to it being an electrical device.  you, on the other hand, Marc, had what doctors thought was a very thorough (perhaps bad) detox session and your body reacted as tho it was a bad detox.  Charles's wife may have used the footbath less time, had less toxins, or different types of toxins....  there are just so many variables involved, no 2 of us are exactly alike.  that is why we have to be fairly exacting, as well, when we say something works for us.  i am remembering the discussions we had over D3.  yousaid it didn't work for you, but in the end we were talking apples and oranges because we were taking 2 totally different supplements. 
 
d

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> I bought one - an expensive one. No effect for me.

By the way, this short discussion illustrates the problems in finding
things to try -- you ask 3 people about some form of treatment, and one
person says it works great, another person says its the worst thing
they've ever done, and a third person said it made no difference.

So it's impossible for us to predict what will happen for any
specific person.

Marc
















     

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My hunch is the detox/herx problem has to do with the cell walls not
having adequate protection (and weakened organs overloaded). Thus, the
reintroduction of toxins back into cells causing the horrible feeling.
My underlying thesis is that our myelin sheath and other fatty based
substances, like phospholipid cell walls, brain, etc. are being
attacked and eroded by Measles type auto-immune diseases IN ADDITION to
pesticides, mercury, mold and god knows what else.

Rebuilding our protection, the cell wall, the nerve sheath, the blood
brain barrier is key to recovery to stop going backwards into more
trouble.

What can do this?

Stopping the auto-immune disease is important as well as
eating/supplementing with good fats (krill oil, coconut, grass fed
animal fats, etc.)

I don't recommend doing any aggressive detoxing until one is confident
that your body can process it all the way out and not just pass it
around. OSR supposedly can do this. I have not had ANY herx reactions
using OSR.

Repairing and rebuilding the gut (80% of our immune system) is key as
well as killing off the intruders (Lyme, Mold mycoplasma, EBV, etc.)
I say err on the side of rebuilding and killing vs. chelation/ pulling
out metals.

Lightening the load on your kidneys and liver is good. Processing the
stuff out through the skin helps. Just not too fast. Sweating is good.
Go slow and easy.
my 2 cents,

Andrew


On Jun 19, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

Andrew -- some questions: What is OSR? I agree with you about healing the gut. What, in your opinion, is the best way to do that? Also, how do we kill off those intruders? Sorry if these are dumb questions. I'm new to the forum and obviously don't know much yet. Thanks! Amy




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I don't recommend doing any aggressive detoxing until one is confident
that your body can process it all the way out and not just pass it
around. OSR supposedly can do this. I have not had ANY herx reactions
using OSR.

Repairing and rebuilding the gut (80% of our immune system) is key as
well as killing off the intruders (Lyme, Mold mycoplasma, EBV, etc.)
I say err on the side of rebuilding and killing vs. chelation/ pulling
out metals.


Andrew




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I just can't get over the youtube video of a guy detoxing a carrot with the exact same machine my chiro used. The water looked exactly like mine -- in exactly the same sequence. What do all of you who have had good experiences make of this? I want to think it's not a scam, but that carrot thing is just strange. Amy




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By the way, this short discussion illustrates the problems in finding
things to try -- you ask 3 people about some form of treatment, and one
person says it works great, another person says its the worst thing
they've ever done, and a third person said it made no difference.

So it's impossible for us to predict what will happen for any
specific person.

Marc


















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> The water looked exactly like mine
> -- in exactly the same sequence. What do all of you who have had good
> experiences make of this? I want to think it's not a scam, but that
> carrot thing is just strange. Amy

Toxic carrot? :-)

But really, we already have noted that the water changes color
even if you leave it alone and don't put anything into it. So
don't get overly concerned about the water color. Be overly
concerned about what happens in your body the next 48 hours after
you're done...

Marc

"...one of our featured speakers will be Boyd Haley, inventor of the
new product OSR, which is a safe and non-toxic nutritional supplement
that dramatically reduces oxidative stress by significantly increasing
glutathione in its "reduced form" called GSH. The increased amount of
GSH, or reduced glutathione, allows the body to scavenge harmful free
radicals and restore its own detoxifying mechanisms. OSR is a unique
supplement for restoring and maintaining good health from exposure to
pollutants, toxins and heavy metals and other sources that produce
dangerous free radicals causing numerous harmful conditions in the
body."
http://www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/newsletter1108.htm

OSR
http://stores.homestead.com/BiopureHealingProducts/Categories.bok?
category=OSR+-+Boyd+Haley%27s


Klinghardt administers/mixes OSR with Phospholipids for better results.
I mixed it with this:
Phospholipid Exchange 2fl.oz
http://stores.homestead.com/BiopureHealingProducts/Categories.bok?
category=Phospholipids

for a double EDTA/OSR detox and had no ill feeling side effects.

I did feel the mineral depletion after a few days.

Supplementing with Sea Minerals, Cell Food drop, some type of mineral
supplement is essential at a different times of the day than taking the
OSR.

The OSR is taken in very small dosages. Make sure you get a protocol or
talk someone that has done it before jumping in.

All my best,

Andrew



On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Amy Green wrote:

> By the way, this short discussion illustrates the problems in finding
> things to try -- you ask 3 people about some form of treatment, and one
> person says it works great, another person says its the worst thing
> they've ever done, and a third person said it made no difference.
>
> So it's impossible for us to predict what will happen for any
> specific person.


This point is so important it is well worth repeated from time to time.

Emil

Hi Diane
 
I have just seen this about Epsom salts - you do the full baths - how much do you put into a bath - how hot do you have the water and how often do youdo them?
 
I only have access to a shower at the moment so if I was just to d a foot bath how much Epsoms salts should I use for that do you think?
BW
 
Steph

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hi, Andrea,
 
i am a big fan of epsom salts baths and i like baking soda baths too.  note tho that when i first began the epsom salts baths it caused the firey burning, like Joni and i were discussing happened with homeopathy.  i have had this same firey burning feeling with a number of things which i have tried, including use of an infrared mouse for my computer.  significant improvement always follows this reaction, but it is far from pleasant at thetime.  only homeopathic caused the burning for more than a short period (minutes or a couple hours)tho.  i mention this because many might try the epsom salts, get the burning, and never go there again.  i consider the baths a large part of my treatment.
 
diane

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From: andrea98321 <andrea98321@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Detox Footbath
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

Andrea

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Hi steph. I used to do a decent cupfull after work in a foot bath , I thinkyou need to tailor it to suit yourself. The problem ive had since being back in the uk is finding decent quailty epsom salts. What i find works just as well is natural sea salt crystals , that one dissolves first on heat  and then adds to the foot bath water. I again use quite high quantities in myand find that the tescos do a nice brand which I forget what its called ,but begins with M.
 
Ada
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Hi Diane
 
I have just seen this about Epsom salts - you do the full baths - how much do you put into a bath - how hot do you have the water and how often do youdo them?
 
I only have access to a shower at the moment so if I was just to d a foot bath how much Epsoms salts should I use for that do you think?
BW
 
Steph

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Detox Footbath
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 8:15 AM

hi, Andrea,
 
i am a big fan of epsom salts baths and i like baking soda baths too.  note tho that when i first began the epsom salts baths it caused the firey burning, like Joni and i were discussing happened with homeopathy.  i have had this same firey burning feeling with a number of things which i have tried, including use of an infrared mouse for my computer.  significant improvement always follows this reaction, but it is far from pleasant at thetime.  only homeopathic caused the burning for more than a short period (minutes or a couple hours)tho.  i mention this because many might try the epsom salts, get the burning, and never go there again.  i consider the baths a large part of my treatment.
 
diane

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From: andrea98321 <andrea98321@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Detox Footbath
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

Andrea

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hi, Steph,
 
(great to see you back at the forum from your surgery, btw!)  start out slow with the ep. salts--about a forth to a half cup would be sufficient thefirst time.  you can put up to whatever your body absorbs in 20-25 minutes, after you get past any burning/etc sensations.  for me, this is about 2 pounds/ tub of comfortably hot water.  less than that if i take the soaks more often than every 5 to 7 days.  right now i rotate with sea salts and baking soda, so i don't take the ep salts baths as often.
 
gee, for footbath....  maybe start with only a teaspoon!  do the same--add more as the footbath desolves it.  but again, start slowly--you don'tneed to stay 20 mins if you start burning in 3!  not everyone gets burning, but just know you can.  it doesn't last days/weeks like homeopathy, but if it begins, get out.
 
glad to see you, Steph!
diane

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Hi Diane
 
I have just seen this about Epsom salts - you do the full baths - how much do you put into a bath - how hot do you have the water and how often do youdo them?
 
I only have access to a shower at the moment so if I was just to d a foot bath how much Epsoms salts should I use for that do you think?
BW
 
Steph

--- On Sat, 20/6/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Detox Footbath
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, 20 June, 2009, 8:15 AM

hi, Andrea,
 
i am a big fan of epsom salts baths and i like baking soda baths too.  note tho that when i first began the epsom salts baths it caused the firey burning, like Joni and i were discussing happened with homeopathy.  i have had this same firey burning feeling with a number of things which i have tried, including use of an infrared mouse for my computer.  significant improvement always follows this reaction, but it is far from pleasant at thetime.  only homeopathic caused the burning for more than a short period (minutes or a couple hours)tho.  i mention this because many might try the epsom salts, get the burning, and never go there again.  i consider the baths a large part of my treatment.
 
diane

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, andrea98321 <andrea98321@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: andrea98321 <andrea98321@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [eSens] Detox Footbath
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:34 PM

My acupuncturist who has treated me for EMF and other sensitivities and allergies has recommended I do Epsom salt foot baths for 20 minutes each day. He said it helps detox after the treatments. I have been doing them for over a year and find I can skip a couple days, but if I skip about 5 days I start to feel worse. Then if I do one I immediately feel better. I also notice if I'm feeling particularly bad, my feet absorb all the Epsom salt and there is none left after the 20 minutes. Most times there is some left. I've never had an adverse reaction and it is cheap compared to other detox products.

Andrea

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