chinese medicine for ES in Seattle

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> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 12:58:31 -0800
> Subject: [eSens] chinese medicine for ES in Seattle
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> Hi everyone,
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> I just joined this group. I am a licensed acupuncturist in Seattle and
> know first-hand the negative effects of electromagnetic radiation. My
> partner was fairly severely electro-sensitive, and is steadily improving.
> Once he called to my attention to the issue, I was able to see the
> correlation between my almost constant migraines and wifi, cell phones, and
> CFLs. Avoiding these things has changed my life. Overall, I've been lucky
> – I’m only somewhat sensitive, was able to attend school, and now I am in
> practice.
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> My focus has always been on treating people with environmental illness. It
> is what I love to do and am passionate about. I’ve been able to see
> patients improve with their illnesses and it is really exciting to watch.
> Chinese medicine uses a holistic approach, so individual patterns and
> treatments will differ from person to person. The acupuncture approach
> I’ve found the most effective for ES is a Japanese style that balances very
> deep vessels of the body. Ion pumping cords are used, which passively
> transfer charge from a place of excess to a place of deficiency (the cords
> are not hooked up to a machine of any kind). I am also fond of lifestyle
> changes as part of treatment, such as electrical grounding, dietary
> modification, and probiotic supplements on a case by case basis. My herbal
> approach for these conditions is based on the work of Dr. Heiner Fruehauf –
> it is an approach designed for illnesses like chronic lyme disease,
> autoimmune conditions, food allergies, and other conditions that are
> difficult to treat with western medicine. If you want to read some more
> about Fruehauf’s approach, his articles can be found at the websites below.
> Just a heads up that they are a little technical =).
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> http://homepage.mac.com/sweiz/files/article/57-10.pdf
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> http://www.classicalchinesemedicine.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/fruehauf_guinterview.pdf
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> If you are located in the Seattle area, I'd love to set something up so you
> can get help for this condition. Because I am committed to letting many
> people get treatment, regardless of finances, I charge sliding scale rates
> and practice both in a private office and a community clinic. I also offer
> free consultations, and if I think you would be better served by seeing a
> different practitioner, I will be happy to refer you. If you have
> questions that may be valuable to others, please reply to this thread. If
> you're interested in trying acupuncture and/or herbs as a treatment, and
> you are located in or near Seattle, WA, email me at
> [hidden email] or call 206 331 4595.
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> I wish you all the best of luck and hope you are able to find the help you
> need!
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> -Amanda Kolter, EAMP
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> > There has been some concerns among the ES communities,
> > that the needles used in Accupunture, act as antennas for wireless
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> I guess I never thought about the metal needles in acupuncture
> as being a problem, but certainly they could be for people who
> are metal-sensitive, or if the acupuncture is practiced in
> a high-EMF area (looks like this is within Seattle city limits,
> which would be too much EMF for some folks here).
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> My wife used to go to an acupuncturist, and she said that they
> not only used metal needles, but they hooked the needles up
> to electricity! That certainly kept me from going to that
> acupuncturist...
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> (although to be fair, I have no problems using a "Zapper", which
> also involves metal on the skin and electricity)
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> Marc
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>Kb,I"m sure Amanda will pop up, but in the meantime, there is a very thought provokingarticle I read- that when you step back and think about it, makes a huge amount of senseregarding ES. I have often wondered why the rates for autism and for ES both appearto rise at the same approx time periods. While it is true that vaccine doses did alsoincrease, I found myself wondering if it was autism at the early ages and ES at theolder ages. You know like, maybe autism is really heavy metal poisoning plus wirelessradiation. As this article demonstrates, both Es and Autism more often then not, involvethe body's in ability to detox heavy metals. So maybe the common denominator is thewireless raidation. And whatever individual weakness that particular person has, will bethe area most effected. Which well explains at least in part, why the symptoms are allover the place. Just like the symptoms for autism are.  As attachments won't work on this site, google: It Just Makes Sense- by Nancy Sarangan. Blessings Lizzie
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> Elizabeth thode wrote thus at 12:15 17/04/2012:
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> >Kb,I"m sure Amanda will pop up, but in the meantime, there is a very
> thought provokingarticle I read- that when you step back and think about
> it, makes a huge amount of senseregarding ES. I have often wondered why the
> rates for autism and for ES both appearto rise at the same approx time
> periods. While it is true that vaccine doses did alsoincrease, I found
> myself wondering if it was autism at the early ages and ES at theolder
> ages. You know like, maybe autism is really heavy metal poisoning plus
> wirelessradiation. As this article demonstrates, both Es and Autism more
> often then not, involvethe body's in ability to detox heavy metals. So
> maybe the common denominator is thewireless raidation. And whatever
> individual weakness that particular person has, will bethe area most
> effected. Which well explains at least in part, why the symptoms are
> allover the place. Just like the symptoms for autism are. As attachments
> won't work on this site, google: It Just Makes Sense- by Nancy Sarangan.
> Blessings Lizzie
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>Hi there,
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>This may be a rather unsatisfying answer, but I haven't noticed any
>particular organ that is weak in ES patients.  That said, one thing does
>seem to be common in this population, and that is fluid metabolism issues.
> Radiation is a heat pathogen, the way I look at it, and in people
>predisposed to fluids in their body being disrupted, it can scorch the
>healthy body fluids and make those fluids unable to nourish the organs.
> This will effect whatever organ is weak in them - lungs, stomach, liver,
>and pericardium are the ones I've seen, but my sample size is not huge.
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>To clarify - the organs I mention are organ systems, from a chinese
>medicine perspective, NOT the physical organs that western medicine
>defines.  That doesn't mean they don't correlation between them, but they
>aren't identical.  From a western perspective, Elizabeth is correct - a
>common denominator is the gene that detoxifies certain heavy metals.  The
>specific metals, as well as the organs they affect, can very person to
>person, and that leads to a wide range of symptoms.
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>Heat-clearing treatments seem the most effective at relieving symptoms,
>rather than nourishing the fluids - the fluids are damaged from the heat,
>but can't be rebuilt while the heat keeps being added.  I think of heavy
>metal detoxification as a heat-clearing treatment, in the perspective of my
>medicine.  Fluids should be nourished as this treatment is maintained.
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>I hope you find this helpful.  Please remember this is just the
>opinion/experience of one acupuncturist, and it is by no means absolute
>(this medicine never is).  I also feel the need to give the caveat that I
>am not giving any sort of diagnosis to anyone - I can't do that without
>seeing a person and palpating their meridians.
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>-Amanda
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>On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Kumara Bhikkhu <[hidden email]>wrote:
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>> Elizabeth thode wrote thus at 12:15 17/04/2012:
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>> >Kb,I"m sure Amanda will pop up, but in the meantime, there is a very
>> thought provokingarticle I read- that when you step back and think about
>> it, makes a huge amount of senseregarding ES. I have often wondered why the
>> rates for autism and for ES both appearto rise at the same approx time
>> periods. While it is true that vaccine doses did alsoincrease, I found
>> myself wondering if it was autism at the early ages and ES at theolder
>> ages. You know like, maybe autism is really heavy metal poisoning plus
>> wirelessradiation. As this article demonstrates, both Es and Autism more
>> often then not, involvethe body's in ability to detox heavy metals. So
>> maybe the common denominator is thewireless raidation. And whatever
>> individual weakness that particular person has, will bethe area most
>> effected. Which well explains at least in part, why the symptoms are
>> allover the place. Just like the symptoms for autism are. As attachments
>> won't work on this site, google: It Just Makes Sense- by Nancy Sarangan.
>> Blessings Lizzie
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> To: [hidden email]
> From: [hidden email]
> Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:03:51 -0700
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Common Denominator for ES
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> Hi there,
>
> This may be a rather unsatisfying answer, but I haven't noticed any
> particular organ that is weak in ES patients.  That said, one thing does
> seem to be common in this population, and that is fluid metabolism issues.
>  Radiation is a heat pathogen, the way I look at it, and in people
> predisposed to fluids in their body being disrupted, it can scorch the
> healthy body fluids and make those fluids unable to nourish the organs.
>  This will effect whatever organ is weak in them - lungs, stomach, liver,
> and pericardium are the ones I've seen, but my sample size is not huge.
>
> To clarify - the organs I mention are organ systems, from a chinese
> medicine perspective, NOT the physical organs that western medicine
> defines.  That doesn't mean they don't correlation between them, but they
> aren't identical.  From a western perspective, Elizabeth is correct - a
> common denominator is the gene that detoxifies certain heavy metals.  The
> specific metals, as well as the organs they affect, can very person to
> person, and that leads to a wide range of symptoms.
>
> Heat-clearing treatments seem the most effective at relieving symptoms,
> rather than nourishing the fluids - the fluids are damaged from the heat,
> but can't be rebuilt while the heat keeps being added.  I think of heavy
> metal detoxification as a heat-clearing treatment, in the perspective of my
> medicine.  Fluids should be nourished as this treatment is maintained.
>
> I hope you find this helpful.  Please remember this is just the
> opinion/experience of one acupuncturist, and it is by no means absolute
> (this medicine never is).  I also feel the need to give the caveat that I
> am not giving any sort of diagnosis to anyone - I can't do that without
> seeing a person and palpating their meridians.
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> -Amanda
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> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Kumara Bhikkhu <[hidden email]>wrote:
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> > Thanks. I'll look it up.
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> > Elizabeth thode wrote thus at 12:15 17/04/2012:
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> > >Kb,I"m sure Amanda will pop up, but in the meantime, there is a very
> > thought provokingarticle I read- that when you step back and think about
> > it, makes a huge amount of senseregarding ES. I have often wondered why the
> > rates for autism and for ES both appearto rise at the same approx time
> > periods. While it is true that vaccine doses did alsoincrease, I found
> > myself wondering if it was autism at the early ages and ES at theolder
> > ages. You know like, maybe autism is really heavy metal poisoning plus
> > wirelessradiation. As this article demonstrates, both Es and Autism more
> > often then not, involvethe body's in ability to detox heavy metals. So
> > maybe the common denominator is thewireless raidation. And whatever
> > individual weakness that particular person has, will bethe area most
> > effected. Which well explains at least in part, why the symptoms are
> > allover the place. Just like the symptoms for autism are. As attachments
> > won't work on this site, google: It Just Makes Sense- by Nancy Sarangan.
> > Blessings Lizzie
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> Amanda,
> Your information is interesting and makes sense. I like that description:
> Heat Pathogen.
> Microwaves cook from the inside out- so the burning, being fried sensation
> is quite
> accurate.
> From another Chinese perspective.
> I have found it is often the Kidney areas: as the kidneys are said to be
> a storehouse for Ch'i, the body and all the organs need Ch'i to thrive, so
> the
> health and vitality of each organ depends upon the energy of the kidneys.
> Stimulating
> the Kidney meridian point known as: Bubbling Springs enlivens the Kidneys
> and is said to
> rejuvenate the spirit. This point is on the bottom of the foot, just above
> what would be
> the center of the bottom side of the foot. If you feel around there with
> your fingers,
> you might find the spot that is tender. Pressing and holding for a minute
> can do
> wonders. It is not surprising that the Kidneys would be important, as they
> are located
> just below the Adrenal glands. As the Adrenals and Thyroid are more often
> then not- implicated in any
> chronic health issue, with the Kidneys being located and attached to the
> Adrenals, the Kidney
> cannot be left out of the healing equation.
> The Kidney/Ch'i info is from the book: "Healing With Pressure Point
> Therapy" by Jack Forem and
> Steve Shimer.
> I have found using Pressure Point Therapy very helpful. I have used this
> therapy on friends/family
> and have yet, to find one, that wasn't helped by it. My intro to this
> wonderful technique, came by way
> of an ear ache my daughter had, back when she was severely ES. I must have
> tried 6-7 diff't natural
> remedies with that ear ache, that persisted for days upon days. Within
> minutes of using Pressure Point,
> my daughter's ear ache lessoned immediately upon the first treatment. It
> took a few more treatments
> until it was completely gone, but I was SOLD on this therapy. I have since
> come to realize that strong
> exposures to either wireless radiation/dirty electr/ seems to throw the
> body's electrical system off
> and cause seemingly unrelated aches/pains, such as the ear ache mentioned
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> Blessings,
> Lizzie
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> > To: [hidden email]
> > From: [hidden email]
> > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:03:51 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Common Denominator for ES
>
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > This may be a rather unsatisfying answer, but I haven't noticed any
> > particular organ that is weak in ES patients. That said, one thing does
> > seem to be common in this population, and that is fluid metabolism
> issues.
> > Radiation is a heat pathogen, the way I look at it, and in people
> > predisposed to fluids in their body being disrupted, it can scorch the
> > healthy body fluids and make those fluids unable to nourish the organs.
> > This will effect whatever organ is weak in them - lungs, stomach, liver,
> > and pericardium are the ones I've seen, but my sample size is not huge.
> >
> > To clarify - the organs I mention are organ systems, from a chinese
> > medicine perspective, NOT the physical organs that western medicine
> > defines. That doesn't mean they don't correlation between them, but they
> > aren't identical. From a western perspective, Elizabeth is correct - a
> > common denominator is the gene that detoxifies certain heavy metals. The
> > specific metals, as well as the organs they affect, can very person to
> > person, and that leads to a wide range of symptoms.
> >
> > Heat-clearing treatments seem the most effective at relieving symptoms,
> > rather than nourishing the fluids - the fluids are damaged from the heat,
> > but can't be rebuilt while the heat keeps being added. I think of heavy
> > metal detoxification as a heat-clearing treatment, in the perspective of
> my
> > medicine. Fluids should be nourished as this treatment is maintained.
> >
> > I hope you find this helpful. Please remember this is just the
> > opinion/experience of one acupuncturist, and it is by no means absolute
> > (this medicine never is). I also feel the need to give the caveat that I
> > am not giving any sort of diagnosis to anyone - I can't do that without
> > seeing a person and palpating their meridians.
> >
> > -Amanda
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> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Kumara Bhikkhu <
> [hidden email]>wrote:
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> > > Thanks. I'll look it up.
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> > > Elizabeth thode wrote thus at 12:15 17/04/2012:
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> > > >Kb,I"m sure Amanda will pop up, but in the meantime, there is a very
> > > thought provokingarticle I read- that when you step back and think
> about
> > > it, makes a huge amount of senseregarding ES. I have often wondered
> why the
> > > rates for autism and for ES both appearto rise at the same approx time
> > > periods. While it is true that vaccine doses did alsoincrease, I found
> > > myself wondering if it was autism at the early ages and ES at theolder
> > > ages. You know like, maybe autism is really heavy metal poisoning plus
> > > wirelessradiation. As this article demonstrates, both Es and Autism
> more
> > > often then not, involvethe body's in ability to detox heavy metals. So
> > > maybe the common denominator is thewireless raidation. And whatever
> > > individual weakness that particular person has, will bethe area most
> > > effected. Which well explains at least in part, why the symptoms are
> > > allover the place. Just like the symptoms for autism are. As
> attachments
> > > won't work on this site, google: It Just Makes Sense- by Nancy
> Sarangan.
> > > Blessings Lizzie
> > > > To: [hidden email]
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> From: [hidden email]
> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 22:17:50 -0700
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Common Denominator for ES
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> KB,  I'm glad you found my response useful.  If Xiang Sha Liu Jun Zi Tang
> works for you, that's great!  I've seen that formula help ES before, and I
> think that by both strengthening the body's qi and transforming the damaged
> fluids, it helps different aspects of the problem.  Chinese herbs are never
> "this formula for that condition" but it makes sense that it helps with
> this, and since you've taken it before with positive results, it sounds
> like a good idea!  Of course, sometimes the formula may stop working, or
> need to be modified,
>  The only general caution I have with ES patients, when it comes to herbs,
> is to be careful about the source of your herbs.  Many are from China and
> are not tested for heavy metals, which are all over China.  KPC is a good
> brand; Golden Flower is as well; and there are many such brands that
> undergo extensive metal and pesticide testing, but just buying whatever is
> in Chinatown is not necessarily a good idea.
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> Elizabeth, I totally agree about the kidney meridian as well.  Kidney 1,
> the point on the bottom of the foot, is extremely grounding - stimulation
> just by pressing, by rubbing in circles, by using an earth-frequency tuning
> fork, and using grounding equipment can be very useful.  In addition, the
> kidney meridian is involved in every chronic disease - the kidneys are the
> sources of yin and yang in the body, and in chronic conditions, those
> become damaged.  I'm glad to hear your daughter had such good results with
> stimulation of the kidney meridian!  Sounds like that channel was acutely
> effected in her case.  Often people who are sensitive to radiation are also
> sensitive to therapies like acupuncture/acupressure where the energy
> systems are being addressed - and that's wonderful that she found someone
> who could help.
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> Best,
> Amanda
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> On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>wrote:
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> > Amanda,
> > Your information is interesting and makes sense. I like that description:
> > Heat Pathogen.
> > Microwaves cook from the inside out- so the burning, being fried sensation
> > is quite
> > accurate.
> > From another Chinese perspective.
> > I have found it is often the Kidney areas: as the kidneys are said to be
> > a storehouse for Ch'i, the body and all the organs need Ch'i to thrive, so
> > the
> > health and vitality of each organ depends upon the energy of the kidneys.
> > Stimulating
> > the Kidney meridian point known as: Bubbling Springs enlivens the Kidneys
> > and is said to
> > rejuvenate the spirit. This point is on the bottom of the foot, just above
> > what would be
> > the center of the bottom side of the foot. If you feel around there with
> > your fingers,
> > you might find the spot that is tender. Pressing and holding for a minute
> > can do
> > wonders. It is not surprising that the Kidneys would be important, as they
> > are located
> > just below the Adrenal glands. As the Adrenals and Thyroid are more often
> > then not- implicated in any
> > chronic health issue, with the Kidneys being located and attached to the
> > Adrenals, the Kidney
> > cannot be left out of the healing equation.
> > The Kidney/Ch'i info is from the book: "Healing With Pressure Point
> > Therapy" by Jack Forem and
> > Steve Shimer.
> > I have found using Pressure Point Therapy very helpful. I have used this
> > therapy on friends/family
> > and have yet, to find one, that wasn't helped by it. My intro to this
> > wonderful technique, came by way
> > of an ear ache my daughter had, back when she was severely ES. I must have
> > tried 6-7 diff't natural
> > remedies with that ear ache, that persisted for days upon days. Within
> > minutes of using Pressure Point,
> > my daughter's ear ache lessoned immediately upon the first treatment. It
> > took a few more treatments
> > until it was completely gone, but I was SOLD on this therapy. I have since
> > come to realize that strong
> > exposures to either wireless radiation/dirty electr/ seems to throw the
> > body's electrical system off
> > and cause seemingly unrelated aches/pains, such as the ear ache mentioned
> > above.
> > Blessings,
> > Lizzie
> >
> > > To: [hidden email]
> > > From: [hidden email]
> > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 17:03:51 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] Common Denominator for ES
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> > > Hi there,
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> > > This may be a rather unsatisfying answer, but I haven't noticed any
> > > particular organ that is weak in ES patients. That said, one thing does
> > > seem to be common in this population, and that is fluid metabolism
> > issues.
> > > Radiation is a heat pathogen, the way I look at it, and in people
> > > predisposed to fluids in their body being disrupted, it can scorch the
> > > healthy body fluids and make those fluids unable to nourish the organs.
> > > This will effect whatever organ is weak in them - lungs, stomach, liver,
> > > and pericardium are the ones I've seen, but my sample size is not huge.
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> > > To clarify - the organs I mention are organ systems, from a chinese
> > > medicine perspective, NOT the physical organs that western medicine
> > > defines. That doesn't mean they don't correlation between them, but they
> > > aren't identical. From a western perspective, Elizabeth is correct - a
> > > common denominator is the gene that detoxifies certain heavy metals. The
> > > specific metals, as well as the organs they affect, can very person to
> > > person, and that leads to a wide range of symptoms.
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> > > Heat-clearing treatments seem the most effective at relieving symptoms,
> > > rather than nourishing the fluids - the fluids are damaged from the heat,
> > > but can't be rebuilt while the heat keeps being added. I think of heavy
> > > metal detoxification as a heat-clearing treatment, in the perspective of
> > my
> > > medicine. Fluids should be nourished as this treatment is maintained.
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> > > I hope you find this helpful. Please remember this is just the
> > > opinion/experience of one acupuncturist, and it is by no means absolute
> > > (this medicine never is). I also feel the need to give the caveat that I
> > > am not giving any sort of diagnosis to anyone - I can't do that without
> > > seeing a person and palpating their meridians.
> > >
> > > -Amanda
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> > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Kumara Bhikkhu <
> > [hidden email]>wrote:
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> > > > Thanks. I'll look it up.
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> > > > Elizabeth thode wrote thus at 12:15 17/04/2012:
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> > > > >Kb,I"m sure Amanda will pop up, but in the meantime, there is a very
> > > > thought provokingarticle I read- that when you step back and think
> > about
> > > > it, makes a huge amount of senseregarding ES. I have often wondered
> > why the
> > > > rates for autism and for ES both appearto rise at the same approx time
> > > > periods. While it is true that vaccine doses did alsoincrease, I found
> > > > myself wondering if it was autism at the early ages and ES at theolder
> > > > ages. You know like, maybe autism is really heavy metal poisoning plus
> > > > wirelessradiation. As this article demonstrates, both Es and Autism
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> > > > often then not, involvethe body's in ability to detox heavy metals. So
> > > > maybe the common denominator is thewireless raidation. And whatever
> > > > individual weakness that particular person has, will bethe area most
> > > > effected. Which well explains at least in part, why the symptoms are
> > > > allover the place. Just like the symptoms for autism are. As
> > attachments
> > > > won't work on this site, google: It Just Makes Sense- by Nancy
> > Sarangan.
> > > > Blessings Lizzie
> > > > > To: [hidden email]
> > > > >From: [hidden email]
> > > > >Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:00:00 +0800
> > > > >Subject: [eSens] Common Denominator for ES
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> Amanda,
>
> Since you are on the subject of Chinese herb safety, here is an article
> that came out last week concerning the safety of some Traditional Chinese
> Medicines:
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> http://m.yahoo.com/w/news_america/dna-tests-uncover-hazards-chinese-therapies-211109236.html?back=%2Fhealth%2F&.ts=1334297414&.intl=us&.lang=en
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> DNA tests uncover hazards in Chinese therapies
> AFP - Thu, Apr 12, 2012
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> <snippets>
> A host of potential toxins, allergens and traces of endangered animals
> showed up in DNA sequencing tests on 15 Chinese traditional medicines,
> researchers said on Thursday.
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> The samples analyzed for this study included herbal teas, capsules,
> powders and flakes that were seized by Australian border officials and were
> subsequently tested by scientists at Australia's Murdoch University.
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> Plant agents suspected of causing urinary tract and kidney cancer such as
> Aristolochic acid, as well as the potentially poisonous herb ephedra were
> among the dangerous elements found.
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> Some of the 68 different plant families that were detected in the 15
> samples can be toxic if taken in the wrong doses, but the packaging did not
> list the concentrations of the elements inside, he said.
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> "We also found traces from trade restricted animals that are classified as
> vulnerable, endangered, or critically endangered, including the Asiatic
> black bear and Saiga antelope" he said, adding that some contained
> ingredients that were not included on the label.
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> "A product labeled as 100 percent Saiga antelope contained considerable
> quantities of goat and sheep DNA," he said.
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> "Another product, Mongnan Tianbao pills, contained deer and cow DNA, the
> latter of which may violate some religious or cultural strictures."
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> --- On Sat, 4/21/12, Amanda Kolter <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The only general caution I have with ES patients, when it comes to herbs,
> is to be careful about the source of your herbs.  Many are from China and
> are not tested for heavy metals, which are all over China.  KPC is a good
> brand; Golden Flower is as well; and there are many such brands that
> undergo extensive metal and pesticide testing, but just buying whatever is
> in Chinatown is not necessarily a good idea.
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