cell phone towers

Yesterday I walked into a mobile phone shop to ask where the phone
towers are located in this city. I had assumed correctly that there
aren't any in the central city (where we live), but they are located in
the suburbs around us.
So the good news is that our house isn't very close to a tower. But then
I started wondering if this might mean that we get radiation from all
the towers in the surrounding suburbs, as most of them probably can
reach us. So instead of one load of heavy radiation we might get
multiple loads of lower radiation?
Does this make any sense or am I completely wrong here? I understand so
little of all these waves and radiation things, so a bit of help would
be appreciated.

I feel like I have this 1500 pieces jigsaw puzzle named EMS and I try to
get more and more pieces together trying to get a clear picture. So far
I might have only 100-200 pieces and I need a lot more to get an idea of
the picture.

Rixta

Time to purchase Some books, meters and EMF mitigation products for christmas presents for yourself..
 
The two main suppliers in North America are :
 
http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/ Canada
http://www.lessemf.com/index.html USA
 
There are many excellent books that would also make great gifts.
 
Here are some that you may want to consider:
 
More Silent Fields - Donna Fisher
Dirty Electricity     - Samuel Milham
Zapped                 - Ann Louise Gittleman
Disconnect            - Devra Davis
Living Safely with EMF - Jim Waugh
The Sick House Survival Guide - Angela Hobbs
Cell Phones           - Dr. George Carlo
Radiation Rescue   - K Crofton
The Electrical Sensitivity Handbook - Lucinda Grant
Electromagnetic Fields - B. Blake Levitt
Body Electric         - Robert Becker
The Great Power Line Cover Up - Paul Brodeur
The Powerwatch Handbook - Alasdair and Jean Philips
Would You Put Your Head in a Microwave Oven - Gerald Goldberg


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> The Electrical Sensitivity Handbook - Lucinda Grant

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When it's in all directions it's harder to shield.

And I would not trust what the people told you either.
The city or county government may have a map of towers but
they probably consider it intellectual property, but might let you
look if you don't need to copy it.   Here we have antennsearch.com.
There's also an FCC database.  But a lot of towers are not even
registered.

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> I started wondering if this might mean that we get radiation from all
> the towers in the surrounding suburbs, as most of them probably can
> reach us. So instead of one load of heavy radiation we might get
> multiple loads of lower radiation?
>  
Correct.
One close transmitter (tower) gives a large dose.
The farther away the towers, the lower the signal strength.

One other thing, is the farther away the tower, the louder the cel-phone
in a "rural" area needs to shout to be heard.
So measuring cel phones in the urban environment where a tower is
nearby, results in lower signal strength from the phone, and longer
battery life.
Unfortunately, in the urban environment, there are usually thousands of
others transmitting, thereby negating any benefit from the lower
individual transmitters.

> Does this make any sense or am I completely wrong here?
You're doing ok.

> I understand so little of all these waves and radiation things, so a bit of help would
> be appreciated.
>
>  
Questions are good. Hope my answers are clear. :)

Another way to think of the waves, is to think of it as sound waves.
When the neighbor's kid has a very loud boombox, and you go inside your
house and close the windows, you can still hear his "music", but the
volume is lower.
With a clear line of sight, you can still hear that boombox a mile away,
but step behind a hill, and it is gone. Unless it bounces off the side
of other buildings or valley walls, then you get an echo.
Ever heard a rifle shot during hunting season? You can pinpoint where
the hunter is by the direction and timing of the echos, when surrounded
by hills of course.


> I feel like I have this 1500 pieces jigsaw puzzle named EMS and I try to
> get more and more pieces together trying to get a clear picture. So far
> I might have only 100-200 pieces and I need a lot more to get an idea of
> the picture.
>  
Learning is fun. Too bad the subject matter is depressing.

Stewart

Hi, Marc,
 
If Lucinda Grant wrote a book that is mainly about emf remediation, maybe she prayed and heard back from God!  ;)  Seriously, consider what the contents of the book says before making any judgments.  I have prayed and gotten some good info!  Definitely not proveably from God, but I woke up the next day with some good ideas floating around in my head, tried them, and they worked! 
 
I often find a great deal of helpful info in spurts--alot at one time--a week or two after praying (for more help or helpful information for my or my family's health needs).  In the past week, I have gotten at least a dozen new leads on things to try out or work on.  It is an inexhaustable supply.  Sometimes I get these new leads from ES or otherwise ill friends who are also searching for answers but are too exhausted in the search to actually try them, or who are excited about their finds and want to share.  Snoshoe sent me an easy alzheimer therapy to try for my Dad a few days ago.  Another friend here sent me 2 books with gobs of great info last week.  Who can say these aren't the answers to prayer?  We sometimes get weary in searching, but the answers are out there; we just need to find them. 
 
My 2 cents on prayer as an ES remediation help,
Diane
 


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> The Electrical Sensitivity Handbook - Lucinda Grant

By the way, I hear that Lucinda has recovered quite a bit
from her ES. What worked for her? Prayer (!)

Marc








     

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I don't have many funds to spend right now. 

Will Lucinda's book help a spouse understand this & help us fix what we can? Learn about wiring, not to fix ourselves of course, but educate?

I know we have to avoid cells, watch out where towers are,  buy GS for the plugs & computer shielding. Our budget's not good right now.

I'm not spending much time on the computer these days to learn.

Thanks for advice,  Kathy

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      Hi, Marc,

 

If Lucinda Grant wrote a book that is mainly about emf remediation, maybe she prayed and heard back from God!  ;)  Seriously, consider what the contents of the book says before making any judgments.  I have prayed and gotten some good info!  Definitely not proveably from God, but I woke up the next day with some good ideas floating around in my head, tried them, and they worked! 

 

I often find a great deal of helpful info in spurts--alot at one time--a week or two after praying (for more help or helpful information for my or my family's health needs).  In the past week, I have gotten at least a dozen new leads on things to try out or work on.  It is an inexhaustable supply.  Sometimes I get these new leads from ES or otherwise ill friends who are also searching for answers but are too exhausted in the search to actually try them, or who are excited about their finds and want to share.  Snoshoe sent me an easy alzheimer therapy to try for my Dad a few days ago.  Another friend here sent me 2 books with gobs of great info last week.  Who can say these aren't the answers to prayer?  We sometimes get weary in searching, but the answers are out there; we just need to find them. 

 

My 2 cents on prayer as an ES remediation help,

Diane

 



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> The Electrical Sensitivity Handbook - Lucinda Grant



By the way, I hear that Lucinda has recovered quite a bit

from her ES. What worked for her? Prayer (!)



Marc



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> If Lucinda Grant wrote a book that is mainly about emf remediation, maybe
> she prayed and heard back from God!  ;)  Seriously, consider what the
> contents of the book says before making any judgments.

I should clarify - Lucinda wrote that book many years ago, and she was
suffering at the time.  Her recovery is much more recent, so there is
nothing in her book that has anything to do with her recovery.

Marc

Marc,

What top 1 or 2 books you you or anyone else recommend to educate & recover?

Kathy

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      > If Lucinda Grant wrote a book that is mainly about emf remediation, maybe

> she prayed and heard back from God!  ;)  Seriously, consider what the

> contents of the book says before making any judgments.



I should clarify - Lucinda wrote that book many years ago, and she was

suffering at the time.  Her recovery is much more recent, so there is

nothing in her book that has anything to do with her recovery.



Marc



   
     

   
   


 



 





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> What top 1 or 2 books you you or anyone else recommend to educate &
> recover?

Hmmm, I don't have any specific book recommendations... anyone else?

Marc

> Unfortunately, in the urban environment, there are usually thousands of
> others transmitting, thereby negating any benefit from the lower
> individual transmitters.
I hadn't thought about that, but it fits with something else I found
out. A few days ago I went to the K-Mart with my electrosmog meter. It
was busier than normal, but not extremely busy yet. Still my meter went
up quite a bit, at one moment even into the red field! This can only be
explained by the high number of cell phones that are turned on in a
small area. I was wondering if that would make a difference and
obviously it does. This was pretty extreme, but if everyone in the
street has their cell phones on (not such a weird idea) that could also
have an influence. Not as strong as inside the K-Mart, but enough to
make me sick. Thanks for another piece of the puzzle!

Rixta

Thanks Marc.

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> If Lucinda Grant wrote a book that is mainly about emf remediation, maybe
> she prayed and heard back from God!  ;)  Seriously, consider what the
> contents of the book says before making any judgments.

I should clarify - Lucinda wrote that book many years ago, and she was
suffering at the time. Her recovery is much more recent, so there is
nothing in her book that has anything to do with her recovery.

Marc








     

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I have book recommendations but they are not about ES.  Dr Tennant's books ("Healing Is Voltage"), "Energy Medicine", by Donna Eden; "Cure for All Diseases", by Hulda Clark, books on water by ?Muri? Emoto.... 

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> What top 1 or 2 books you you or anyone else recommend to educate &
> recover?

Hmmm, I don't have any specific book recommendations... anyone else?

Marc








     

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Hi, Rixta,
 
I once went to a Theresa Heinz conference on "TILT" (Toxin Induced Lack of Tolerance), the same thing as MCS but with a catchier name.  There were over 300 people present and I was one of the only people there without a cell phone.  Since the conference was about educating people about environmental intolerance, people were told before coming not to wear and perfumes and deodorants.  As the conference started, the first speaker asked, in deference to anyone present with electro-magnetic sensitivity (I was probably the only one), everyone turn off their phones.  I was already feeling quite ill, but when everyone simultaneously turned off their phones, I thought I would die.  It took me 4 hours to recover enough to get thru the rest of the conference.
 
Diane

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> Unfortunately, in the urban environment, there are usually thousands of
> others transmitting, thereby negating any benefit from the lower
> individual transmitters.
I hadn't thought about that, but it fits with something else I found
out. A few days ago I went to the K-Mart with my electrosmog meter. It
was busier than normal, but not extremely busy yet. Still my meter went
up quite a bit, at one moment even into the red field! This can only be
explained by the high number of cell phones that are turned on in a
small area. I was wondering if that would make a difference and
obviously it does. This was pretty extreme, but if everyone in the
street has their cell phones on (not such a weird idea) that could also
have an influence. Not as strong as inside the K-Mart, but enough to
make me sick. Thanks for another piece of the puzzle!

Rixta








     

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About the Lucinda Grant book, I found it in a library.  It dealt mostly with low frequencies, whereas today there are lots of other frequencies of concern.  I think you'll be better off with a more recent book.  In terms of practical information, I've found Anne Louise Gittleman's book, Zapped, to be a good source of practical information, including nutrition ideas.  

In terms of finding an expert, you might want to look for a building biologist in your area (buildingbiology.net).  They have a lot of good feedback from a holistic standpoint, considering both EMF and air quality, for example.  For EMF, they can help check magnetic, electric, body voltage, and wireless emissions, and recommend unplugging appliances or turning off some circuit breakers at night.  I found some free courses on their website with some helpful videos.  E.g., in addition to EMF, I learned something about furnace filter and air quality from there and safe cleaners.

What I've learned is that it's easy to escape one form of EMF only to find yourself in a worse environment due to a different form of EMF.  Electric, magnetic, harmonics, and RF all seem to be independent.

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I bought window sheilding & blocking paint from Saveliving. Loni

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Time to purchase Some books, meters and EMF mitigation products for christmas presents for yourself..

The two main suppliers in North America are :

http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/ Canada
http://www.lessemf.com/index.html USA

There are many excellent books that would also make great gifts.

Here are some that you may want to consider:

More Silent Fields - Donna Fisher
Dirty Electricity     - Samuel Milham
Zapped                 - Ann Louise Gittleman
Disconnect            - Devra Davis
Living Safely with EMF - Jim Waugh
The Sick House Survival Guide - Angela Hobbs
Cell Phones           - Dr. George Carlo
Radiation Rescue   - K Crofton
The Electrical Sensitivity Handbook - Lucinda Grant
Electromagnetic Fields - B. Blake Levitt
Body Electric         - Robert Becker
The Great Power Line Cover Up - Paul Brodeur
The Powerwatch Handbook - Alasdair and Jean Philips
Would You Put Your Head in a Microwave Oven - Gerald Goldberg


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Are you saying there is a difference in what the antennas do on the towers or just about distance & strength difference?  Loni

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Rixta Francis wrote:
> I started wondering if this might mean that we get radiation from all
> the towers in the surrounding suburbs, as most of them probably can
> reach us. So instead of one load of heavy radiation we might get
> multiple loads of lower radiation?
>
Correct.
One close transmitter (tower) gives a large dose.
The farther away the towers, the lower the signal strength.

One other thing, is the farther away the tower, the louder the cel-phone
in a "rural" area needs to shout to be heard.
So measuring cel phones in the urban environment where a tower is
nearby, results in lower signal strength from the phone, and longer
battery life.
Unfortunately, in the urban environment, there are usually thousands of
others transmitting, thereby negating any benefit from the lower
individual transmitters.

> Does this make any sense or am I completely wrong here?
You're doing ok.

> I understand so little of all these waves and radiation things, so a bit of help would
> be appreciated.
>
>
Questions are good. Hope my answers are clear. :)

Another way to think of the waves, is to think of it as sound waves.
When the neighbor's kid has a very loud boombox, and you go inside your
house and close the windows, you can still hear his "music", but the
volume is lower.
With a clear line of sight, you can still hear that boombox a mile away,
but step behind a hill, and it is gone. Unless it bounces off the side
of other buildings or valley walls, then you get an echo.
Ever heard a rifle shot during hunting season? You can pinpoint where
the hunter is by the direction and timing of the echos, when surrounded
by hills of course.

> I feel like I have this 1500 pieces jigsaw puzzle named EMS and I try to
> get more and more pieces together trying to get a clear picture. So far
> I might have only 100-200 pieces and I need a lot more to get an idea of
> the picture.
>
Learning is fun. Too bad the subject matter is depressing.

Stewart









     

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Hi,
Evie wrote:
> As the conference started, the first speaker asked, in deference to anyone present with electro-magnetic sensitivity (I was probably the only one), everyone turn off their phones.  I was already feeling quite ill, but when everyone simultaneously turned off their phones, I thought I would die.
>  

Unfortunately, when the airplane mode is switched on, the cel phone
makes a call to the tower to tell it it is no longer at this address.

DUH!

So asking people to turn off their phone, results in just the opposite
for a few seconds.

Stewart

Loni wrote:
> Are you saying there is a difference in what the antennas do on the towers or just about distance & strength difference?  Loni
>  

I am not sure how much the towers vary their output depending on the
distance of the remote cel-phone. That will need an engineer closer to
the technology to answer. As far as I'm concerned, they are always
"shouting."

To the second half of your question, if I understand you correctly, the
answer is no. I had two things in mind:
For the tower side, it is more important to increase your distance, to
get the strength lower.
For the cel-phone side, when the tower is farther away, the cel-phone
must increase it's transmitting power to be heard. So it becomes just as
important to have fewer cel-phones around you.

Stewart

Tennant's book "Healing is Voltage" is really good imo on a lot of different health topics...

http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Voltage-NDM-Jerry-Tennant/dp/1453649166



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> > What top 1 or 2 books you you or anyone else recommend to educate &
> > recover?
>
> Hmmm, I don't have any specific book recommendations... anyone else?
>
> Marc
>