carpet

Hi everyone,

Thought some of you might have some input on this, though it's more of a
chemical than electrical issue.  I was just forced to move as my landlord
was selling the awesome little house I was living in (as we all know,
buying a house isn't a great option because if they put up a new tower next
door, we'd be powerless).  So, having to move quickly I wasn't able to
satisfy all my criteria, and prioritized the electro-smog over the chemical
issues.  Point is, I've got some new carpet in my house.  I think I'm
feeling what could be called fibromyalgia - I mean, everything hurts!
Really badly!  I've had this before, though not for some time (especially
since living in my other house, with hardwood floors).

I'd like to not have just wasted $2000 in moving expenses.  Any thoughts on
how to deal?

Thanks!

Amanda


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Hi Amanda,  I'm sorry that happened to you. At this point, you can either treat the root cause, get rid of the carpet...not always a do able thing, if youare renting. Or you can treat the symptoms by heavily supporting the adrenals.Fibromyalgia has all the ear marks of adrenal distress. I tend to think of Fibro, as the 21st century form of arthritis, magnifieda thousand times! Inflammation, always look to the adrenals. Blessings, Lizzie
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      Hi everyone,



Thought some of you might have some input on this, though it's more of a

chemical than electrical issue.  I was just forced to move as my landlord

was selling the awesome little house I was living in (as we all know,

buying a house isn't a great option because if they put up a new tower next

door, we'd be powerless).  So, having to move quickly I wasn't able to

satisfy all my criteria, and prioritized the electro-smog over the chemical

issues.  Point is, I've got some new carpet in my house.  I think I'm

feeling what could be called fibromyalgia - I mean, everything hurts!

Really badly!  I've had this before, though not for some time (especially

since living in my other house, with hardwood floors).



I'd like to not have just wasted $2000 in moving expenses.  Any thoughts on

how to deal?



Thanks!



Amanda



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On October 11, Amanda Kolter <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Point is, I've got some new carpet in my house.  I think I'm
> feeling what could be called fibromyalgia - I mean, everything hurts!

Usually when I have fibromyagla symptoms, it seems that it is
caused by excess acidity.  So taking anything to alkalinize my
body helps get rid of the pain.

As for carpet, you could have it steam-cleaned to get rid of
some of the smell.  Probably safer to just use water and
nothing else, as you might react to the carpet cleaning
solution (although there are some brands of carpet
cleaner that seem fine).

And if all else fails, open up the windows and wait for
the smell to go away.  Although I'm sure some carpets
take a lot longer to become tolerable than others!

An ozone air cleaner might also be helpful (in spite
of the folks who will insist that ozone is harmful)

Marc

On October 11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> And if all else fails, open up the windows and wait for
> the smell to go away.  Although I'm sure some carpets
> take a lot longer to become tolerable than others!

And maybe dumping baking soda on the carpet and
then later vacuuming it up will help?

Marc

I have a number of issues with chemicals and substances such as  
greases/oils/waxes/mdf now I have to add mould to the list, but as for carpets I  had
to request that my wife return a cheap rug that she purchased a while back  
as it made me feel really rough, it gave me a blocked up nose and flu like  
symptoms, the same happened with a couch throw that I purchased, I have
noticed  that certain cheap clothing shops such as Primark I rekon that the
polyester and  cheap wool is treated with some kind of fungicides/pesticides or
similar.   Also your issue ith the carpet may be due to static, which could
be improved by  better humidity and wearing not static creating clothes and
shoes ?
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 11/10/2012 17:12:37 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
Hi everyone,

Thought some of you might have some input on this,  though it's more of a
chemical than electrical issue. I was just forced to  move as my landlord
was selling the awesome little house I was living in  (as we all know,
buying a house isn't a great option because if they put up  a new tower next
door, we'd be powerless). So, having to move quickly I  wasn't able to
satisfy all my criteria, and prioritized the electro-smog  over the chemical
issues. Point is, I've got some new carpet in my house. I  think I'm
feeling what could be called fibromyalgia - I mean, everything  hurts!
Really badly! I've had this before, though not for some time  (especially
since living in my other house, with hardwood  floors).

I'd like to not have just wasted $2000 in moving expenses. Any  thoughts on
how to deal?

Thanks!

Amanda

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I've learned a company called SafeCoat makes a natural carpet shampoo
and says it removes ALO"T, but not all, of the chemicals in new carpet,
which are many!  So steam clean it a couple times, I do this with every
new carpet, it really helps alot!  the part it doesn't help as much is
the glue from the backing...i use a hepa filter to hopefully catch the
rest, plus the other good ideas mentioned here....

Debbie

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: eSens <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: [eSens] carpet

 
On October 11, Amanda Kolter &lt;[hidden email]&gt; wrote:
&gt; Point is, I've got some new carpet in my house.  I think I'm
&gt; feeling what could be called fibromyalgia - I mean, everything
hurts!

Usually when I have fibromyagla symptoms, it seems that it is
caused by excess acidity.  So taking anything to alkalinize my
body helps get rid of the pain.

As for carpet, you could have it steam-cleaned to get rid of
some of the smell.  Probably safer to just use water and
nothing else, as you might react to the carpet cleaning
solution (although there are some brands of carpet
cleaner that seem fine).

And if all else fails, open up the windows and wait for
the smell to go away.  Although I'm sure some carpets
take a lot longer to become tolerable than others!

An ozone air cleaner might also be helpful (in spite
of the folks who will insist that ozone is harmful)

Marc

             

Also, forgot to add, that I think most natural carpet shampoos are very
similar so I've used many brands, not just SafeCoat...

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From: Debbie4God39 <[hidden email]>
To: eSens <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: [eSens] carpet

 
I've learned a company called SafeCoat makes a natural carpet shampoo
and says it removes ALO"T, but not all, of the chemicals in new carpet,
which are many!  So steam clean it a couple times, I do this with every
new carpet, it really helps alot!  the part it doesn't help as much is
the glue from the backing...i use a hepa filter to hopefully catch the
rest, plus the other good ideas mentioned here....

Debbie

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin &lt;[hidden email]&gt;
To: eSens &lt;[hidden email]&gt;
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: [eSens] carpet

 
On October 11, Amanda Kolter &lt;[hidden email]&gt; wrote:
&gt; Point is, I've got some new carpet in my house.  I think I'm
&gt; feeling what could be called fibromyalgia - I mean, everything
hurts!

Usually when I have fibromyagla symptoms, it seems that it is
caused by excess acidity.  So taking anything to alkalinize my
body helps get rid of the pain.

As for carpet, you could have it steam-cleaned to get rid of
some of the smell.  Probably safer to just use water and
nothing else, as you might react to the carpet cleaning
solution (although there are some brands of carpet
cleaner that seem fine).

And if all else fails, open up the windows and wait for
the smell to go away.  Although I'm sure some carpets
take a lot longer to become tolerable than others!

An ozone air cleaner might also be helpful (in spite
of the folks who will insist that ozone is harmful)

Marc


             

On October 11, [hidden email] wrote:
> I've learned a company called SafeCoat makes a natural carpet shampoo
> and says it removes ALO"T, but not all, of the chemicals in new carpet

Yes, I had our carpets cleaned with the SafeCoat cleaner after we
had them replaced.  Although I could still smell the new carpet
smell for a couple weeks after that.

Marc

Right Marc!  I think we did it twice to feel alot of the odor was gone  
:)

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: eSens <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 10:17 pm
Subject: Re: [eSens] carpet

 
On October 11, [hidden email] wrote:
&gt; I've learned a company called SafeCoat makes a natural carpet
shampoo
&gt; and says it removes ALO"T, but not all, of the chemicals in new
carpet

Yes, I had our carpets cleaned with the SafeCoat cleaner after we
had them replaced.  Although I could still smell the new carpet
smell for a couple weeks after that.

Marc

             

i have negative ion generators throughout my house.
they 'zap' the particulate matter from the air - fumes,
smoke, dust, etc...
they help keep the air in my home clean and safe.  



On Oct 11, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Amanda Kolter wrote:

A regular HEPA air cleaner won't do it, you have to get one that removes VOCs. They are not cheap but they do the job-almost all of them are made out of metal so no out gassing.
I have one called Aireox. It works.
Steve

--- In [hidden email], Amanda Kolter <kolama29@...> wrote:

I find that the mains powered air purifiers can give off high levels of EMR
 and dirty power so they negate the clean air benefit for me, unless you
can get  a whole house system where the fan unit and electronics are well away
from the  inhabited parts of the house and even then the unit should be
filtered for dirty  power influx to your mains wiring
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 12/10/2012 05:50:21 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
i have negative ion generators throughout my house.
they 'zap' the  particulate matter from the air - fumes,
smoke, dust, etc...
they help  keep the air in my home clean and safe.

On Oct 11, 2012, at 8:55 AM,  Amanda Kolter wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Thought some of  you might have some input on this, though it's more of a
> chemical than  electrical issue. I was just forced to move as my landlord
> was selling  the awesome little house I was living in (as we all know,
> buying a  house isn't a great option because if they put up a new tower
next
>  door, we'd be powerless). So, having to move quickly I wasn't able to
>  satisfy all my criteria, and prioritized the electro-smog over the  
chemical
> issues. Point is, I've got some new carpet in my house. I  think I'm
> feeling what could be called fibromyalgia - I mean,  everything hurts!
> Really badly! I've had this before, though not for  some time (especially
> since living in my other house, with hardwood  floors).
>
> I'd like to not have just wasted $2000 in moving  expenses. Any thoughts
on





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Thanks everyone for the great advice!  I'll try and get it steam cleaned
again with something like safecoat (we just used water the first time,
which was definitely helpful but not sufficient) and use baking soda in the
mean time.  I got a homeopathic remedy that I'm hoping will help as well;
and supporting adrenals is a great idea too.  I wish I could tear out the
carpet but it's a rental and it's brand new - I don't think my landlord
would be happy about us ripping it out!

Many thanks!  Take care,
Amanda


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puk, thanks for the info and for helping me
clarify something for myself...

does yours have a fan?
i have some with fans and one without.
the ones with fan DO measure high in EMF...
the one without a fan measures the same
as the ambient room EMF, no matter where
i hold my EMF meter.

this is the one i have ...
http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/roomionizers.html
hmm... i think the price has not changed
since i bought mine ten years ago.
i put this in the center of my home and
it works well.  i think i'll get rid of the
others, now that i am clear that fans
are not good to mix with EMF.

thanks.
patricia


On Oct 12, 2012, at 3:53 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> I find that the mains powered air purifiers can give off high levels of EMR
> and dirty power so they negate the clean air benefit for me, unless you
> can get  a whole house system where the fan unit and electronics are well away
> from the  inhabited parts of the house and even then the unit should be
> filtered for dirty  power influx to your mains wiring
>
> puk

There's a product called carpet sealant that you can apply to seal in all the toxins so they don't escape into the room.  The one I'm familiar with is called Safe Coat, or Safe Choice (they changed the name, not sure which one they're using now).  They're used by chemically sensitive people, and also contractors use them in green construction.  

--- In [hidden email], Amanda Kolter <kolama29@...> wrote:

ALL negative ion generators do produce what I call *dirty air*.

So they should be avoided.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  From: Auntie Patricia
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 9:24 PM
  Subject: [eSens] negative ion generators are not all equal


  puk, thanks for the info and for helping me
  clarify something for myself...  

  does yours have a fan?  
  i have some with fans and one without.
  the ones with fan DO measure high in EMF...
  the one without a fan measures the same
  as the ambient room EMF, no matter where
  i hold my EMF meter.  

  this is the one i have ...
  http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/roomionizers.html
  hmm... i think the price has not changed
  since i bought mine ten years ago.  
  i put this in the center of my home and
  it works well.  i think i'll get rid of the
  others, now that i am clear that fans
  are not good to mix with EMF.  

  thanks.  
  patricia


  On Oct 12, 2012, at 3:53 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

  > I find that the mains powered air purifiers can give off high levels of EMR
  > and dirty power so they negate the clean air benefit for me, unless you
  > can get  a whole house system where the fan unit and electronics are well away
  > from the  inhabited parts of the house and even then the unit should be
  > filtered for dirty  power influx to your mains wiring
  >
  > puk


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Carpets may also belong to the big family of elektrosmog.

They may contain static CD electrical fields.

Sometimes it may help when a bit moisture is added.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft

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  From: cjosephj
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:52 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: carpet


  There's a product called carpet sealant that you can apply to seal in all the toxins so they don't escape into the room.  The one I'm familiar with is called Safe Coat, or Safe Choice (they changed the name, not sure which one they're using now).  They're used by chemically sensitive people, and also contractors use them in green construction.  

  --- In [hidden email], Amanda Kolter <kolama29@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hi everyone,
  >
  > Thought some of you might have some input on this, though it's more of a
  > chemical than electrical issue.  I was just forced to move as my landlord
  > was selling the awesome little house I was living in (as we all know,
  > buying a house isn't a great option because if they put up a new tower next
  > door, we'd be powerless).  So, having to move quickly I wasn't able to
  > satisfy all my criteria, and prioritized the electro-smog over the chemical
  > issues.  Point is, I've got some new carpet in my house.  I think I'm
  > feeling what could be called fibromyalgia - I mean, everything hurts!
  > Really badly!  I've had this before, though not for some time (especially
  > since living in my other house, with hardwood floors).
  >
  > I'd like to not have just wasted $2000 in moving expenses.  Any thoughts on
  > how to deal?
  >
  > Thanks!
  >
  > Amanda
  >
  >
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  >




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what do you mean by 'dirty air', charles?  
'dirty air' to me is chemtrails and mold and
smoke and perfumes, etc.  

i find that my air is far cleaner with NIGs.
when they are accidentally turned off, the
building odors are noticeable.  when they are
turned on, the air is clean and clear.  visitors
comment on how clean the air is.  have you
lived with ALL negative ion generators?  
have you seen a demo with smoke in the air?
and so on and so forth.  what is your actual
experience with them?  and what is your
business?  

as i said before, there are no moving parts
in mine and it does not put out measurable
EMF... but a NIG with a fan might put out
EMF - and i have measured them doing so.    

patricia


On Oct 12, 2012, at 11:56 PM, charles wrote:

i wouldn't be surprised if fans literally throw off electrons just as they  
disperse air, that said some air movers and Aircon units have lots of  
electronics and this definitely makes this potential phenomenon worse.  My  
local superstore has a fan unit in the ceiling which I try to avoid staying  
under as it causes the bridge of my nose and scalp to sting.  My daughter  had
a battery operated hand held fan which had led lights built into the blades  
of the fan, when I put this near the digital TV, the picture broke up, so
evan  battery fans can have an effect.  I also have a pifco air humidifier
which  has no fan but this gives of mad levels of emf, so I have long
dispensed with  using these devices - a whole house positive pressure system is best
where the  fan unit is high up in a loft space and the air it draws in from
the outside is  filtered and is passed to internal vents which then leads
to posite  presurisation of the house nad a good deal of air changes per
hour...
 
 
puk
 
 
In a message dated 13/10/2012 07:55:50 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

 
 
 
ALL negative ion generators do produce what I call *dirty air*.

So  they should be avoided.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member  Verband  Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked  by Emsisoft

----- Original Message -----
From: Auntie Patricia  
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
Sent:  Friday, October 12, 2012 9:24 PM
Subject: [eSens] negative ion generators  are not all equal

puk, thanks for the info and for helping me  
clarify something for myself...

does yours have a fan?
i have  some with fans and one without.
the ones with fan DO measure high in  EMF...
the one without a fan measures the same
as the ambient room  EMF, no matter where
i hold my EMF meter.

this is the one i have  ...
_http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/roomionizers.html_
(http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/roomionizers.html)
hmm...  i think the price has not changed
since i bought mine ten years ago.
i  put this in the center of my home and
it works well. i think i'll get rid  of the
others, now that i am clear that fans
are not good to mix with  EMF.

thanks.
patricia

On Oct 12, 2012, at 3:53 AM, _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])  
wrote:

> I find  that the mains powered air purifiers can give off high levels of
EMR
>  and dirty power so they negate the clean air benefit for me, unless you  
> can get a whole house system where the fan unit and electronics are  well
away
> from the inhabited parts of the house and even then the  unit should be
> filtered for dirty power influx to your mains  wiring
>
>  puk

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I thought negative ion generators clean the air, like what happens after a rainstorm. As long as it doesn't produce ozone.
Steve

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