Y-shield paint grounding help

Hello everyone, I just finished painting my room with y-shield paint, afterwe were done painting I tested it with my body voltage meter and and I found that its grounded, I cant find where its grounded to, Im positive its not touching any metal from the outlets, light,smoke detector, and air duct,I spent 3 hours making sure of this. Where else could it be grounded too?

Cristian

In a message dated 4/28/2009 7:01:08 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
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Hello everyone, I just finished painting my room with y-shield paint,
after we were done painting I tested it with my body voltage meter and and I
found that its grounded, I cant find where its grounded to, Im positive its
not touching any metal from the outlets, light,smoke detector, and air duct,
I spent 3 hours making sure of this. Where else could it be grounded too?

Cristian



Paul replies -
Damp walls ?



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This paint MUST be grounded.
It is electrically conductive, and when you hit a nail inpo the wall, and
accidentally touch a wire, the whole wand is under current.
Furthermore, the coupling of electrical fields is better eliminated.
And the shielding is much better.

First one has to tape this grounding tape.
On that, a square grounding plate is placed (with 4 screws) and over that
one paints the paint.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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www.milieuziektes.nl
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A conductive material, if large enough, will act as an electron reservoir
(ground). After all, that is what the Earth is doing when you ground to it.

Emil

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Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 11:14 PM
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Im sure my walls are not damp I live in Los Angeles so its pretty dry here also.

I know the paint has to be grounded but it shouldnt be grounded to the house ground, it should be grounded to a ground rod outside,according to Mr. Larry Gust from Bau Bioligie grounding to the home ground is Catastrophe because it re-radiates the VLF frequncies from the ground also known as the dirty electricity.

When I test it I have a machine plugged in thats next to me so my body voltage goes up to 1.8V and when I touch the wall it goes don to less than .14v,

Like Chalres said I was thinking that maybe some nail that connects the drywall to the wood beams inside the wall, is touching a ground wire or metal,but the previews paint is covering those nails plus an extra coat of primerwe put on the wall before painting so I dont think thats a big possibility, Is there an easy way to find which it would be if this is the case?

That does not convince me it's grounded. If you connect an ohmmeter
(or DMM on ohm setting) and get low resistance between the wall and
a grounded pipe or ground wire of an outlet, then it's' grounded.
Your change in body voltage could come from the capacitance of the wall
or just the geometry of it. For a very small section of paint it would not
change your body voltage, but a section bigger than you can.

Keep us posted please on how it helps you and whether grounding makes
a difference. It is not easy to get a good RF ground, but for electrical
safety you don't' need that.

Bill

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An ohm meter is what you need.
Bill


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In a message dated 4/28/2009 7:44:47 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
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Like Chalres said I was thinking that maybe some nail that connects the
drywall to the wood beams inside the wall, is touching a ground wire or
metal,but the previews paint is covering those nails plus an extra coat of
primer we put on the wall before painting so I dont think thats a big
possibility, Is there an easy way to find which it would be if this is the case?



are you sure that this paint does not pick up RF and retransmit ?

puk


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In a message dated 4/28/2009 7:39:38 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
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> When I test it I have a machine plugged in thats next to me so my body
> voltage goes up to 1.8V and when I touch the wall it goes don to less
than
> .14v,



Guessing here - but the method you are using to check for earthing by body
voltage might simply be that the painted wall has greater inductance
capacitance than you so the electrons will flow to the greater pool of electrons
in the painted surface, the trick is to drain the wall to your separate
yard earth rod and check the wall with your voltage meter again you might
find an even lower bv reading ??

Paul uk


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Hi Christian,
You are supposed to use a special grounding strap thingy that your paint
supplier will have in stock. But if its works,,,,,,,why worry?

Helen

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Hi Bill I checked each socket to the wall it with an ohm meter and it mesures around 10-100 ohms (not M or K just ohms) what does this mean?


Cristian

If it is 10-100 ohms from the wall paint to the outlet ground, then
there is a ground path already. I expected it to be Mohm or too high
to register. Check with an AM radio, especially around the edges.
If there is buzzing, you want to find that ground and disconnect it.
Conceivably you may find it by noting where the radio buzzes more,
or with a very sensitive gauss-meter or buzz stick. It may be easier
to find after you connect your ground rod, as there could be a more
obvious current. 10 ohms is a decent ground, but not ideal for safety,
and if have buzzing it may make a big difference to switch to the
ground rod. But if not, adding a second ground rod could make the
buzzing worse, so if you can't find the first ground, you may be better
without the second. But just make sure nothing ever electrifies the wall.

To whoever asked:
The paint will reflect microwaves but is supposed to absorb as much
as it reflects. So in most cases you come out ahead, and if put
in the right place, can be a huge improvement.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 10:09 PM, sweetchild323 <[hidden email]>wrote:

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> Hi Bill I checked each socket to the wall it with an ohm meter and it
> mesures around 10-100 ohms (not M or K just ohms) what does this mean?
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> Cristian
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I coudnt find exacly where its grounded, so instead what me and Mr. Gust Decided to do is clean up the electricity in the house with stetzer filters that way it would eliminate any dirty electricty the paint is picking up from being grounded to the house ground, I have to buy a stezerizer meter and filters now, ufortunetly this will ad alot to the cost, but I hope it will make the differnce Im hoping it to make.

Just avoid using all switching power supplies (almost all new AC
electronics).
I don't think the Stetzers will help with your ground wire. The meter
doesn't
measure that--it really only measures the hot relative to neutral. It's a
major
deficiency in that system.

Putting some in certain places might help you, but won't clean up your
ground.
If anything the ground will be worse because a Stetzer sends the dirty power
on the hot to the neutral, which is bonded to the ground.
Bill

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I should add that inductive style filters might help. If you have a
computer or something,
an inductance to isolate it might help. But it's not easy to get it right,
and
if you're really sensitive it will take a whole lot of filtering to get it
to where it
won't bother you.
RadioShack sells an inductive choke (part 273-104) you could wrap wires on.

Bill


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Since the neutral and and the ground are bonded together wouldnt the meter pick up the dirty electricity in the ground?

I dont know alot about stetzer filters but I just thought it turned the dirty electricity into heat or something lol.

I was going to hire en eletrician to put outlets direct from the main to filter the electricity coming in from outside.

If this is true then theres no point doing this if theres still going to bedirty electricity coming from the ground connection, I emailed the stetzercompany just to be sure of this.

I guess I might have to rethink what Im going to do, if it comes down to stripping some of the paint of the wall to find the ground then ill have to do that.

Cristian

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Hi everyone so Im responding over a month later about this,

So, After i painted my room with y-shield i started feeling even worse , the only reason I could think that was the cause is that the paint is grounded to the electrical ground somwhere, and since the ground caries rf , that is probably reradiating that back to me from the paint.

Ok so after one month of delaying I got an electrician to come to my house to help me troubleshoot this problem.  

We completely disconnected the ground cpnnection to all outlets from my room and to his and my surprise the paint was still grounded and had just asstrong a ground as before. He told me its possible that the ground could be coming from the wall because one of my walls is made of plaster ( I had no idea) because plaster contains minerals an stuff it can be conductive. Then when we were testing one of the outlets to check if it was grounded ( btw my house is grounded by flex cable not with a ground wire to each outlet)and the ground was disconnected from my room so there was supposed to be no ground from the metal case but the oulet tester showed that it was grounded! Now we knew that my entire plaster wall was grounded because the metal case was touching the plaster, we tested the plaster to see if indeed it was grounded an it was.

Even though the yshield paint isnt directly touching the plaster because of5-6 coats of paint underneath, Im guesiing its still grounded by it because the previews layers still have a little conductivity and the area is so large and its also probably touching directly in a few small areas.


The only solution he came up with was to take the paint off from that wall and repaint it with a paint called lastatamedic that is like a plastic so there would be no conductivity between the y shield and the plaster when i paint with y-shield over it.

Any other suggestions on how to Fix this problem will be appreciated.!

(btw hes the coolest guy I explained to him what Im doing and he was very interested and open minded about it. He also told me that he used to do surveys in my area for the electric company and that many people made complainsabout the power lines and cell towers making them feel bad here.

Sorry is some parts may sound confusing or dont make sense Im kinda tired and sick.

Cristian

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Cristian,

Before you go through all the trouble or repainting, consider the following:

1- If the plaster was grounded before painting, then the paint is grounded
as well, how is grounding related to your symptoms becoming worse with
paint?

2- Have you checked with an RF meter? It seems to me that a proper diagnosis
before re-painting might be wise.

3- A large conductive object (such as the conductive paint or the plaster)
IS a ground. The more massive the conductive material, the better the
ground. Think of ground as a reservoir of electrons. Earth is the most
massive ground we have access to, but not the only ground. How are you
testing for ground?

Emil

> So, After i painted my room with y-shield i started feeling even worse ,
> the only reason I could think that was the cause is that the paint is
> grounded to the electrical ground somwhere

Maybe you're also reacting to offgassing from the paint? Are you
chemically sensitive as well?

Marc