Y-shield paint grounding help

<<Cristian,

Before you go through all the trouble or repainting, consider the following:

1- If the plaster was grounded before painting, then the paint is grounded
as well, how is grounding related to your symptoms becoming worse with
paint?

2- Have you checked with an RF meter? It seems to me that a proper diagnosis
before re-painting might be wise.

3- A large conductive object (such as the conductive paint or the plaster)
IS a ground. The more massive the conductive material, the better the
ground. Think of ground as a reservoir of electrons. Earth is the most
massive ground we have access to, but not the only ground. How are you
testing for ground?

Emil<<<<<<<<<<<<



1. I belive the plaster is grounded to the house electrical ground,and maybe also directly to the earth via another plaster wall that is possible connected to it. So it would be reradiating the rf thats riding in the ground and re radiating in my room. Its the only reason i can think of for why I feel worse instead of better.

2.I have an electrosmog meter the one with the yellow ball on top, the rf in my room went down from 150-200mw (or mv i dont remeber) down to 3mw or mv, which is suppose to be great , but I feel alot worse than before.?

3.The main way I test for ground, is with a body voltage meter. I use a body voltage probe with my Digital mutli-meter that can read down in the milivolts range. I plug in a device that doent have a ground (eg. laptop, air purifier) so it will emit an electric field and my body voltage goes up like to 1-4 volts and I just lighly touch the wall with y-shield with my other finger and my voltage spikes then goes down to .40-.60 millivolts
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"Maybe you're also reacting to offgassing from the paint? Are you
chemically sensitive as well?
Marc"

No I think so, y-shield is suppose to be very safe and less toxic than regular paints.

In a message dated 11/06/2009 05:21:42 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Maybe you're also reacting to offgassing from the paint? Are you
chemically sensitive as well?
Marc"

No I think so, y-shield is suppose to be very safe and less toxic than
regular paints.



Is the y sheild paint reacting with the old paint, perhaps there is a
lesson to be learnt here, did you not check the wall for earth potential before
painting, perhaps it would be an idea for others to dub out their walls
with a plasterboard drylining maybe including facing the wall side a one sided
foil ? also we must not forget that as mentioned on this site before,
when we sheild to heavily we may exclude other waves such as tesla and scaler
and schumann, and in addition another thought well 2, what about the fact
that your body might be in detox mode becuase you have suceeded perhaps the
body has a way of recording rather like gps its location and at the same
time remembering the emf - so youve altered it in the room so your body is
saying what the heck, finally you may well be in a state of heightened
awareness in the room due to your expectations on the screening which might be
feuling your reaction.

Paul uk


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I would not say a large conducting wall is a ground, but in a way it's
true...
it has a large capacitance.

It sounds like you've done a great job blocking RF & microwaves.

Do not use body voltage to check for grounding. Use an ohm meter
connected to ground on one side, and connect to the wall with the other
lead.

There is a possibility of capacitive coupling. But check first that
everything in
the house is off. The shielding could easily make a phone or computer
inside seem worse.

Check for electric fields and magnetic fields. You may have an unintended
ground
path still, and it might show up with a telephone listener or AM radio. See
how you
feel with the power off.

Bill

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:20 PM, sweetchild323 <[hidden email]>wrote:


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"""""Is the y sheild paint reacting with the old paint, perhaps there is a

lesson to be learnt here, did you not check the wall for earth potential before

painting, perhaps it would be an idea for others to dub out their walls

with a plasterboard drylining maybe including facing the wall side a one sided

foil ? also we must not forget that as mentioned on this site before,

when we sheild to heavily we may exclude other waves such as tesla and scaler

and schumann, and in addition another thought well 2, what about the fact

that your body might be in detox mode becuase you have suceeded perhaps the

body has a way of recording rather like gps its location and at the same

time remembering the emf - so youve altered it in the room so your body is

saying what the heck, finally you may well be in a state of heightened

awareness in the room due to your expectations on the screening which might be

feuling your reaction.""""""""

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1. i dont know how the paint would be reacting to the old paint we did put primer first before painting? No I didnt test the wall for ground I didnt know the wall was made out of plaster and i didnt even know plaster was conductive.

2. That would be my second guess to why Im feeling worse instead of better,my entire room is shielded, the windows have film on them and, I made a custom mesh steel screen for my window so i could open it and still get air in here with little RF coming in and there is no rf coming from the floor. What solutions do i have to try this theory out, should I remove a section of the paint?

3. Im pretty sure its not a detox feeling, becuse before I decided to shield my room, I bought one of those rf blocking aprons that lessemf sells, I wore it while I slept I also wrapped it around my head sometimes when I slept. I felt a difference I slept a liitle better and I compared it to days Ididnt sleep with it and the results were consistent I always felt better when i wore it, I even started wearing it sometimes under my shirt during the day.

Then i decided to buy one of those long sleeve shirts and headcovers that have 10% silver in them to sleep with, and I felt even better ( I was amazed) I didnt feel any detox feeling, I just felt better, like my blood was circulating better and I felt warm , and my thyroid problems got better (it wasnt like a huge major difference but it was very noticeable and I counldt deny that it was making me feel better).

Thats is why i decided to go through with painting my room i thought it would make an even bigger difference in my symptoms.

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"""I would not say a large conducting wall is a ground, but in a way it's

true...

it has a large capacitance.



It sounds like you've done a great job blocking RF & microwaves.



Do not use body voltage to check for grounding. Use an ohm meter

connected to ground on one side, and connect to the wall with the other

lead.



There is a possibility of capacitive coupling. But check first that

everything in

the house is off. The shielding could easily make a phone or computer

inside seem worse.



Check for electric fields and magnetic fields. You may have an unintended

ground

path still, and it might show up with a telephone listener or AM radio. See

how you

feel with the power off.



Bill""""""""""
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1. I used an ohm meter as well, it mearued between 10-100 ohms , which is supposed to indicate a fairly good ground, I dont believe the paint byitslefis big enough to be as strong a ground as it has.

2. how would turning off the power .

I have noticed that when O use my computer i feel even worse than before when i use it in my rooom now even though I have always felt bad using it in my room compared to other rooms , its even worse now.

3. Ive tested for magnetic and electric field in my room also, the only things I have connected inside my room while i sleep is a Bipap machine ( Breathing aid type of machine for those who might not know) and that emits a manetic and electric field ( since it only has a two prong plug) but I postioned it far away enough when i sleep so that its less than .2mg with gaussmaster, and body voltage is less than .3-.4mv, there is also No DC magnetic field under me ive tested with a compass. I also dont sleep on steel springmattress anymore. i sleep on a wooden bed with a futon mattress. I also use an oxygen mchine at night but thats outside my room at least 10 feet away.

4. Ive turn off the circuit breaker to my room and i used an extension to power my biapap machin from outside, but it didnt make a difference. I triedit many times.


5."There is a possibility of capacitive coupling. But check first that everything in the house is off."

"You may have an unintended ground path still, and it might show up with a telephone listener or AM radio"


Can you explain these parts, sorry I dont get exactly what you mean.thanks


once again I apoligize if some parts have bad grammar or dont make exact sense, Im pretty tired and sick right now. I really appreciate the help please keep it coming.

Remember that bringing a source of electric voltage INSIDE the shielded room
will increase your electric field exposure (because the distance between
electric voltage source and ground is much shorter with shielding).

It is good to turn off the power to ALL outlets in the room.
Bringing a laptop into the shielded room still increases the electric field.
So does the Bipap machine.

Can you try turning off all circuits and NOT using the Bipap machine for a
simple test? If this helps, you can shield the Bipap and cords with
conductive plastic or fabric.
It would also be a good idea to check with an electric field meter, as you
make have voltage sources in the room that you are not aware of (under the
floor?).

Best Regards,

Emil DeToffol
Less EMF Inc.
tel: +1-518-432-1550
fax: +1-309-422-4355
www.lessemf.com

If you can improve the air quality in the room and rinse your nose with
a saline nasal rinse from the drug store, you might not need the machine.

Did you Y-shield the ceiling? If so it's conceivable you have lowered the
RF
too low, lower than the natural galactic background? But first check again
the grounding situation.

If you can measure 100 ohms to ground, first try a few different grounded
conductors
(electrical wiring, pipes, whatever you've got) and see what gives the
lowest
reading. Then try different points on the y-shield if possible, wherever
the
value is lowest should be where the ground connection is.

You could also try disconnecting the neutral and ground wires at the panel
(or get the electrician to do it). If your y-shield is connected to the
power
company neutral than you should not be surprised if you feel worse.
Some people disconnect the main power and neutral every night.
Unfortunately
a big 3 phase switch is pretty expensive. Even a 20 amp one for one room
costs
about $75. Then you can disconnect the hot, neutral and ground. Or get a
much
cheaper 2 phase switch and disconnect the hot and neutral; leave the ground
always disconnected if it's a bedroom and you don't use 3 prong stuff anyway
there.
This can be made code compliant (I think) by adding a GFI (use Cooper
brand).

One you get the shield isolated from ground you can try grounding it to a
dedicated
ground rod close by. Ideally this ground should be low impedence, but
that's not
easy even with several ground rods. It's also beyond my expertise, but if
you can
find a ham radio guy who really knows RF ...

There is some electrical danger in having y-shield not grounded... this is
reduced if you
paint over it... but leave some patches (cover with blank outlet covers?)
for possible
future grounding.

Bill

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:43 AM, lessemf.com <[hidden email]> wrote:


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In a message dated 14/06/2009 03:01:58 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

> I have noticed that when O use my computer i feel even worse than before
> > when i use it in my rooom now even though I have always felt bad using
it



Paul UK - replies
Have you not created an inverted faraday cage, perhaps you should not use
any noisy RF eqipment in the room ?


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