X-rays

does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do. I'm
kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later, but
I wish I didn't have to do it.

I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but I
don't believe that.

jean.
 

I think 20 in a life time is too much. I am depressed just hearing
about 20 a year.
Andrew

On Feb 9, 2006, at 11:09 AM, jean wrote:

X-rays might affect some electrosensitive people to some extent, but I think
it would depend on the particular frequencies you were sensitive to. X-rays
are electromagnetic waves, but at very different frequency ranges to
microwaves/mobiles and visible light.

Panoramic dental X-rays are surprisingly quick (about 30 seconds) and the
X-rays are focused on the jaw region rather than more sensitive parts of the
head. My wife Sue, who is ES, recently had one and suffered no ill-effects.
She had been worried about it but we inquired of this group and didn't have
any adverse reports.

The "you can have 20 a year" probably refers to the radiological effects for
"normal" non-ES people, where the main fear is of possible cancer. X-rays
are pretty safe in that respect. If you feel an X-ray affects you
depressively, that is a different mechanism. It depends how long the effect
lasts, and how painful it is, and balancing that against the benefits. In
Sue's case it proved very helpful for cavitation surgery, and we were glad
we had done it.

Best wishes, Ian

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To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] X-rays



does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do. I'm
kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later, but
I wish I didn't have to do it.

I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but I
don't believe that.

jean.








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Hi, Jean,

I thought x-rays sometimes bothered me, but it was not in an ES way or depression. I thought they affected my immune system to some degree. Of course, I had MANY x-rays over 3 or 4 years, which may be why. After an auto accident, the x-ray technician who did my x-rays subjected me (according to my chiropractor) to the equivalent of 90 x-rays at one time. This was at a time when I had already had many panograms and other x-rays and MRIs, etc, for tmj surgeries and other suspicious health problems in the years just prior to this. Some people react depressively to fatigue. I felt very fatigued with my x-rays. Do you seem to have fatigue also with x-rays?

Diane

does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do. I'm
kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later, but
I wish I didn't have to do it.

I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but I
don't believe that.

jean.


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They bother me, no matter what kind.
Is there a real reason for having it done, or is just their standard
procedure? Few are actually necessary. Can you find a dentist who is
actually knowledgeable about the dangers of x-rays?

Panoramic is still x-ray, as are cat, pet, sonograms (often called
ultrasound, but it not the same thing), and something I'm forgetting.

Here, one I had, I just signed a refusal every time they wanted
them, "just for their records".
Finally found a dentist who doesn't use them just for the heck of it,
like most do.

20 xrays a year? Outrageous lie. 1 is harmful, they cause genetic
damage everytime you have one.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "jean" <tdx244@...> wrote:
>
> does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do. I'm
> kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later,
but
> I wish I didn't have to do it.
>
> I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but I
> don't believe that.
>
> jean.
>

Yes, I know X-rays are much higher in the frequencies spectrum.  

I remember the last X-rays I had was one year ago, it was already a
panoramic, but the machine looked really antique. And I felt upset
one hour. After that I took over.


I hear you about the cavitations issue. I've read about it only a
few weeks ago on the net. But some say an X-ray is not enough to
detect all of them, they need 'cavitat' machines.

jean.



--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> X-rays might affect some electrosensitive people to some extent,
but I think
> it would depend on the particular frequencies you were sensitive
to. X-rays
> are electromagnetic waves, but at very different frequency ranges to
> microwaves/mobiles and visible light.
>
> Panoramic dental X-rays are surprisingly quick (about 30 seconds)
and the
> X-rays are focused on the jaw region rather than more sensitive
parts of the
> head. My wife Sue, who is ES, recently had one and suffered no ill-
effects.
> She had been worried about it but we inquired of this group and
didn't have
> any adverse reports.
>
> The "you can have 20 a year" probably refers to the radiological
effects for
> "normal" non-ES people, where the main fear is of possible cancer.
X-rays
> are pretty safe in that respect. If you feel an X-ray affects you
> depressively, that is a different mechanism. It depends how long
the effect
> lasts, and how painful it is, and balancing that against the
benefits. In
> Sue's case it proved very helpful for cavitation surgery, and we
were glad
> we had done it.
>
> Best wishes, Ian
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of jean
> Sent: 09 February 2006 16:10
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] X-rays
>
>  
>
> does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do.  
I'm
> kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later,
but
> I wish I didn't have to do it.
>
> I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but
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From: "jean" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:44
Subject: [eSens] Re: X-rays

I'm glad on this discussion group other people agree. Cause usual
people will just say this is ridiculous.

I try as much as I can not to undergo X-rays. But this is the
dentist who removed my amalgams, and he told me that after a while he
would need to check if the work was okay with a panoramic.

The 20 x-rays thing is what I read on the net, I don't remember,
maybe 500 ..rem or something per year and that an x-ray was
20...rem. Don't remember exactly. But I agree with you this is a
lie as usual. My brain is really saying no to those stuffs.

jean.


--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <nonengbunny@...> wrote:
>
> They bother me, no matter what kind.
> Is there a real reason for having it done, or is just their
standard
> procedure? Few are actually necessary. Can you find a dentist who
is
> actually knowledgeable about the dangers of x-rays?
>
> Panoramic is still x-ray, as are cat, pet, sonograms (often called
> ultrasound, but it not the same thing), and something I'm
forgetting.
>
> Here, one I had, I just signed a refusal every time they wanted
> them, "just for their records".
> Finally found a dentist who doesn't use them just for the heck of
it, I'm
> > kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or
later,
> but
> > I wish I didn't have to do it.
> >
> > I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year,
but I
> > don't believe that.
> >
> > jean.
> >
>

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Jean,
>    
> I thought x-rays sometimes bothered me, but it was not in an ES
way or depression. I thought they affected my immune system to some
degree. Of course, I had MANY x-rays over 3 or 4 years, which may be
why. After an auto accident, the x-ray technician who did my x-rays
subjected me (according to my chiropractor) to the equivalent of 90 x-
rays at one time. This was at a time when I had already had many
panograms and other x-rays and MRIs, etc, for tmj surgeries and other
suspicious health problems in the years just prior to this. Some
people react depressively to fatigue. I felt very fatigued with my x-
rays. Do you seem to have fatigue also with x-rays?
>    
> Diane

It's just a few hours depressed. But it was just ONE panoramic. And
I REALLY wish I could avoid more.



--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>
> I think 20 in a life time is too much. I am depressed just hearing
> about 20 a year.
> Andrew
>

Yes, I understand. They are just evil.

jean.

This is called maybe 'echography'. Anything with less nuisance I'm
willing to switch to. But not sure it is available for bones, or
dental pictures.


jean.


--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> I know that in France a number of dentists do not use the normal X-
ray a
> > panoramic, but the machine looked really antique. And I felt
upset
> > one hour. After that I took over.

Yes, the big question is whether the benefits that you and the dentist get
from the X-ray compensate for the pain/depression you suffer as a result.
Obviously routine X-rays "just for the sake of it", as dentists normally do
during routine checkups, are not worth it for people who do react to X-rays
and are best avoided. However, if your dentist wants to make sure that a
key operation turned out OK and whether anything else needs doing, it might
be worth it. It's your judgement - no doubt you've already talked it over
with him to see how important he feels it is to get the info.

As for ultrasound - it depends how it is generated, and although it is a
different type of wave, it could again possibly affect someone with ES if
they are susceptible to that particular frequency. The Cavitat machine uses
ultrasound. However, this is generated by putting high-frequency vibrations
into the bone, and when the dentist discussed Sue's condition with us, he
didn't feel confident that it wouldn't cause her ill-effects, since her main
ES symptom is tinnitus/buzzing in the head. So, although he has a Cavitat
and would normally prefer to use it, we agreed to settle for a panoramic
X-ray instead. He also did a preliminary exploratory probe on the site to
verify that there was a cavity there. Together these gave him enough
information to do the operation successfully. Sue recovered well and the
biggest problems were from the noise and vibration of the drill inside her
jaw, which increased her tinnitus a lot, but it wore off again in a couple
of days. So the net result was definitely positive.

Ian



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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of jean
Sent: 11 February 2006 11:45
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: X-rays



Yes, I know X-rays are much higher in the frequencies spectrum.

I remember the last X-rays I had was one year ago, it was already a
panoramic, but the machine looked really antique. And I felt upset
one hour. After that I took over.


I hear you about the cavitations issue. I've read about it only a
few weeks ago on the net. But some say an X-ray is not enough to
detect all of them, they need 'cavitat' machines.

jean.



--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> X-rays might affect some electrosensitive people to some extent,
but I think
> it would depend on the particular frequencies you were sensitive
to. X-rays
> are electromagnetic waves, but at very different frequency ranges to
> microwaves/mobiles and visible light.
>
> Panoramic dental X-rays are surprisingly quick (about 30 seconds)
and the
> X-rays are focused on the jaw region rather than more sensitive
parts of the
> head. My wife Sue, who is ES, recently had one and suffered no ill-
effects.
> She had been worried about it but we inquired of this group and
didn't have
> any adverse reports.
>
> The "you can have 20 a year" probably refers to the radiological
effects for
> "normal" non-ES people, where the main fear is of possible cancer.
X-rays
> are pretty safe in that respect. If you feel an X-ray affects you
> depressively, that is a different mechanism. It depends how long
the effect
> lasts, and how painful it is, and balancing that against the
benefits. In
> Sue's case it proved very helpful for cavitation surgery, and we
were glad
> we had done it.
>
> Best wishes, Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of jean
> Sent: 09 February 2006 16:10
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] X-rays
>
>
>
> does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do.
I'm
> kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later,
but
> I wish I didn't have to do it.
>
> I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but
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Sorry, not convinced about the "every X ray is harmful" idea. For non-ES
people, the vast majority of studies over the years show low-level or
occasional radiation of all types to have minuscule effects. Less in fact
than natural background radiation in many areas (e.g. where rocks are
granite etc).

For ES people, that's a different matter. Because of the much increased
susceptibility and sensitivity, an X ray could have a variety of painful
effects. But genetic damage is probably one of the less likely ones.

Ian

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They bother me, no matter what kind.
Is there a real reason for having it done, or is just their standard
procedure? Few are actually necessary. Can you find a dentist who is
actually knowledgeable about the dangers of x-rays?

Panoramic is still x-ray, as are cat, pet, sonograms (often called
ultrasound, but it not the same thing), and something I'm forgetting.

Here, one I had, I just signed a refusal every time they wanted
them, "just for their records".
Finally found a dentist who doesn't use them just for the heck of it,
like most do.

20 xrays a year? Outrageous lie. 1 is harmful, they cause genetic
damage everytime you have one.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "jean" <tdx244@...> wrote:
>
> does anybody get depressed after an X-ray photo ? I think I do. I'm
> kind of reluctant, I have a dental panoramic to do sooner or later,
but
> I wish I didn't have to do it.
>
> I checked the net, and supposedly we can have like 20 per year, but I
> don't believe that.
>
> jean.
>







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I'll ask my dentist, cause he told me to come and see him, like after
a few months. I'm sure he will tell me he really needs a panoramic
though. So I'm reluctant to it, I might wait a couple of months more
before returning.

It's great your dentist has a cavitat machine. In France I don't
think dentists have such a thing right now. So, yes, I'm gonna
ask/beg on my knees, 'please, other way than the X-ray panoramic ?'

Also it's interesting what you say about the drill and so on, cause
usually I don't like that either.  

jean.



--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, the big question is whether the benefits that you and the
dentist get
> from the X-ray compensate for the pain/depression you suffer as a
result.
> Obviously routine X-rays "just for the sake of it", as dentists
normally do
> during routine checkups, are not worth it for people who do react
to X-rays
> and are best avoided. However, if your dentist wants to make sure
that a
> key operation turned out OK and whether anything else needs doing,
it might
> be worth it. It's your judgement - no doubt you've already talked
it over
> with him to see how important he feels it is to get the info.
>
> As for ultrasound - it depends how it is generated, and although it
is a
> different type of wave, it could again possibly affect someone with
ES if
> they are susceptible to that particular frequency. The Cavitat
machine uses
> ultrasound. However, this is generated by putting high-frequency
vibrations
> into the bone, and when the dentist discussed Sue's condition with
us, he
> didn't feel confident that it wouldn't cause her ill-effects, since
her main
> ES symptom is tinnitus/buzzing in the head. So, although he has a
Cavitat
> and would normally prefer to use it, we agreed to settle for a
panoramic
> X-ray instead. He also did a preliminary exploratory probe on the
site to
> verify that there was a cavity there. Together these gave him
enough
> information to do the operation successfully. Sue recovered well
and the
> biggest problems were from the noise and vibration of the drill
inside her
> jaw, which increased her tinnitus a lot, but it wore off again in a
couple
> of days. So the net result was definitely positive.
>
> Ian
>
>  
>

Yes, in fact this was a special dentist we went to privately, as there are
only about 3 in the whole of the UK who have a Cavitat - it is a very
expensive machine. So I am sure there will also be few or none in France!

Ian



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To: [hidden email]
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I'll ask my dentist, cause he told me to come and see him, like after
a few months. I'm sure he will tell me he really needs a panoramic
though. So I'm reluctant to it, I might wait a couple of months more
before returning.

It's great your dentist has a cavitat machine. In France I don't
think dentists have such a thing right now. So, yes, I'm gonna
ask/beg on my knees, 'please, other way than the X-ray panoramic ?'

Also it's interesting what you say about the drill and so on, cause
usually I don't like that either.

jean.



--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, the big question is whether the benefits that you and the
dentist get
> from the X-ray compensate for the pain/depression you suffer as a
result.
> Obviously routine X-rays "just for the sake of it", as dentists
normally do
> during routine checkups, are not worth it for people who do react
to X-rays
> and are best avoided. However, if your dentist wants to make sure
that a
> key operation turned out OK and whether anything else needs doing,
it might
> be worth it. It's your judgement - no doubt you've already talked
it over
> with him to see how important he feels it is to get the info.
>
> As for ultrasound - it depends how it is generated, and although it
is a
> different type of wave, it could again possibly affect someone with
ES if
> they are susceptible to that particular frequency. The Cavitat
machine uses
> ultrasound. However, this is generated by putting high-frequency
vibrations
> into the bone, and when the dentist discussed Sue's condition with
us, he
> didn't feel confident that it wouldn't cause her ill-effects, since
her main
> ES symptom is tinnitus/buzzing in the head. So, although he has a
Cavitat
> and would normally prefer to use it, we agreed to settle for a
panoramic
> X-ray instead. He also did a preliminary exploratory probe on the
site to
> verify that there was a cavity there. Together these gave him
enough
> information to do the operation successfully. Sue recovered well
and the
> biggest problems were from the noise and vibration of the drill
inside her
> jaw, which increased her tinnitus a lot, but it wore off again in a
couple
> of days. So the net result was definitely positive.
>
> Ian
>
>
>







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Remember that the X-ray machine draws a high current to generate the x-ray
beam. High current = high magnetic fields. Depending on where the x-ray
head is located, and how it is wired, the magnetic fields associated with
the device COULD be what is causing your symptoms, not the x-rays
themselves.

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Hi again, Jean,

Glad to hear you are only depressed a short time after your x-rays. I was very ill for years after my huge exposure. I am nearly normal tho now and do not wish to have another x-ray if I can possibly help it, so I know how you feel! ;)

Diane

Jean wrote:
It's just a few hours depressed. But it was just ONE panoramic. And
I REALLY wish I could avoid more.



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I'll say it again; Every X-ray causes genetic damage, and the effects
are cumulative, regardless of your health.

The info. is out there for people who want to find it,
same as consuming microwaved foods cause measureable, harmful changes
in your blood chemistry.

I'm glad Sue has been able to find a good dentist. I'd be surprised if
there's a cavitation machine in the whole mountain west here, but maybe.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry, not convinced about the "every X ray is harmful" idea.  

> same as consuming microwaved foods cause measureable, harmful changes
> in your blood chemistry.

That's another point, and I don't know how relevant it was to my
own recovery. Prior to getting ES, I was eating microwaved foods
up to 3 times a day. When ill, I decided (probably based on
something I read) to stop eating microwaved foods altogether.
I haven't used the microwave oven for about 6 years now.
(in fact, I eat a lot more foods that haven't been cooked at
all, even going so far in recent months to drink unpasteurized
milk and cheese)

Marc

I got way less x-rays (I assume) than what happened for your case.  
Maybe if I learnt a person had done that to me I would just go and
shoot him (although weapons are not free to buy in France).

Also I really feel like I cannot handle x-rays any longer. Maybe
it's due to the fact I have undergone some detox (mainly mercury
removal) and I can feel now nuisances a bit more clearly (in food, or
radiation).

jean.


--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi again, Jean,
>    
> Glad to hear you are only depressed a short time after your x-
rays. I was very ill for years after my huge exposure. I am nearly
normal tho now and do not wish to have another x-ray if I can
possibly help it, so I know how you feel! ;)  
>    
> Diane
>
> Jean wrote:
> It's just a few hours depressed. But it was just ONE panoramic.  
And
> I REALLY wish I could avoid more.
>
>
>
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>

There is a website giving the dentists who have a cavitat machines.  
Yes there are some in UK and in Germany. Nothing mentionned for
France. I don't have the money to make an appointment in the UK or
Germany !!

Although it might not be a good spending, to be aware of one's cavities
issue.

jean.


--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, in fact this was a special dentist we went to privately, as
there are
> only about 3 in the whole of the UK who have a Cavitat - it is a very
> expensive machine. So I am sure there will also be few or none in
France!
>
> Ian
>
>  
>