X-rays

I think the big question is whether cavitations are likely to be the source
of your problems, when there are so many alternative possibilities.
Cavitation scanning and surgery is quite an expensive (and intrusive)
solution, so other tests and approaches may be best first. In Sue's case we
went for it because (a) we had eliminated many other possible causes and (b)
her underlying health problems dated back to when she had all 4 wisdom teeth
extracted, so there was a possible causal effect.

Ian



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Sent: 13 February 2006 09:52
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: X-rays, cavitat, ultrasound etc



There is a website giving the dentists who have a cavitat machines.
Yes there are some in UK and in Germany. Nothing mentionned for
France. I don't have the money to make an appointment in the UK or
Germany !!

Although it might not be a good spending, to be aware of one's cavities
issue.

jean.


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>
> Yes, in fact this was a special dentist we went to privately, as
there are
> only about 3 in the whole of the UK who have a Cavitat - it is a very
> expensive machine. So I am sure there will also be few or none in
France!
>
> Ian
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Hi again, Jean,

Lol to shooting the lab technician. I felt like doing that on occasion. But in this country (USA), the preferred weapon of choice is lawsuit. ;)

Diane

jean <[hidden email]> wrote:
I got way less x-rays (I assume) than what happened for your case.
Maybe if I learnt a person had done that to me I would just go and
shoot him (although weapons are not free to buy in France).

Also I really feel like I cannot handle x-rays any longer. Maybe
it's due to the fact I have undergone some detox (mainly mercury
removal) and I can feel now nuisances a bit more clearly (in food, or
radiation).

jean.


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> Hi again, Jean,
>
> Glad to hear you are only depressed a short time after your x-
rays. I was very ill for years after my huge exposure. I am nearly
normal tho now and do not wish to have another x-ray if I can
possibly help it, so I know how you feel! ;)
>
> Diane
>
> Jean wrote:
> It's just a few hours depressed. But it was just ONE panoramic.
And
> I REALLY wish I could avoid more.
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It's not really the topic of this list, but since dental issues are
frequently mentionned, it is not that off topic :


I had my 4 wisdom teeth extracted too, like 20 years ago. I had 2
done in the US cause I spent a few years there. Then 2 remaining
done in France, by a dentist who also did two prothesis for the front
teeth (by the way, if I find this dentist back, I might try to mug
him, although I think he might be dead or senile by now).

The dentist in the US, I felt much more pain, the end of the day of
the removal. But then I think I remember he said something about
removing the teeth and doing cleaning (of the bone maybe). And the
net result is that I don't have any problem with the side he did. On
the contrary the side done in France, I have something left, I guess
he just pullet out the roots and didn't worry any more than that.  
The dentists all say it must be a nerve that has been touched. It's
not a big hastle but the real cause might be a cavitation.

Okay to make it short : I did some more internet search yesterday,
and I read about an EDS machine that can see everything :
cavitations, root canal infections, etc.

jean.


--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> I think the big question is whether cavitations are likely to be
the source
> of your problems, when there are so many alternative possibilities.
> Cavitation scanning and surgery is quite an expensive (and
intrusive)
> solution, so other tests and approaches may be best first. In
Sue's case we
> went for it because (a) we had eliminated many other possible
causes and (b)
> her underlying health problems dated back to when she had all 4
wisdom teeth
> extracted, so there was a possible causal effect.
>
> Ian
>
>  
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of jean
> Sent: 13 February 2006 09:52
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: X-rays, cavitat, ultrasound etc
>
>  
>
> There is a website giving the dentists who have a cavitat
machines.  
> Yes there are some in UK and in Germany. Nothing mentionned for
> France. I don't have the money to make an appointment in the UK or
> Germany !!
>
> Although it might not be a good spending, to be aware of one's
cavities
> issue.
>
> jean.

I'm afraid there are some kind of voluntary misdoings that are not
punished by the law. I'd be curious to know if you can sue the
person. You'd have to prove that the dose was too high, etc...

It's the same for the phone masts. If there are lots of dead and
sick people 5 to 10 years from now, I really doubt anybody will be
sentenced for that...  

jean.


--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi again, Jean,
>    
> Lol to shooting the lab technician. I felt like doing that on
occasion. But in this country (USA), the preferred weapon of choice
is lawsuit. ;)
>    
> Diane
>
> jean <tdx244@...> wrote:
> I got way less x-rays (I assume) than what happened for your
case.  
> Maybe if I learnt a person had done that to me I would just go and
> shoot him (although weapons are not free to buy in France).
>
> Also I really feel like I cannot handle x-rays any longer. Maybe
> it's due to the fact I have undergone some detox (mainly mercury
> removal) and I can feel now nuisances a bit more clearly (in food,
or
> radiation).
>
> jean.

Hi Jean, If cavitation or other nearby infections are potentially the
cause of your symptoms you may want to check into having a thermograph
done, which is non-intrusive. Some practitioners of Neural Therapy
(like Dr. Thomas Dorman in Federal Way, Washington) use a thermograph
to identify likely trouble locations then give injections of
anesthetic in the region to lower the neural signals from coming from
it that may be causing the difficulty. If you've experienced a drop
in symptoms after dental anesthesia injection, Neural Therapy might be
a fit for you. Marc, Cara, and I have all had our ES symptoms drop
with application of dental anesthetic.

-Beau
--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> I think the big question is whether cavitations are likely to be the
source
> of your problems, when there are so many alternative possibilities.
> Cavitation scanning and surgery is quite an expensive (and intrusive)
> solution, so other tests and approaches may be best first. In Sue's
case we
> went for it because (a) we had eliminated many other possible causes
and (b)
> her underlying health problems dated back to when she had all 4
wisdom teeth
> extracted, so there was a possible causal effect.
>
> Ian
>
>  
>
> _____  
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than the French one. (The latter is the more common standard of removal
here too - Sue's 4 were whipped out in a quick op at the end of the day and
it is very unlikely that the sites were "cleaned out" thoroughly).

Dental issues do appear quite a lot in this forum because often they seem to
be a root cause (pardon the horrible pun) of problems which weaken the
immune system and lead to ES. I feel the group strikes a nice balance in
covering a lot of relevant and useful issues but not getting sidetracked by
them.

Ian



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Sent: 14 February 2006 10:27
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: cavitat



It's not really the topic of this list, but since dental issues are
frequently mentionned, it is not that off topic :


I had my 4 wisdom teeth extracted too, like 20 years ago. I had 2
done in the US cause I spent a few years there. Then 2 remaining
done in France, by a dentist who also did two prothesis for the front
teeth (by the way, if I find this dentist back, I might try to mug
him, although I think he might be dead or senile by now).

The dentist in the US, I felt much more pain, the end of the day of
the removal. But then I think I remember he said something about
removing the teeth and doing cleaning (of the bone maybe). And the
net result is that I don't have any problem with the side he did. On
the contrary the side done in France, I have something left, I guess
he just pullet out the roots and didn't worry any more than that.
The dentists all say it must be a nerve that has been touched. It's
not a big hastle but the real cause might be a cavitation.

Okay to make it short : I did some more internet search yesterday,
and I read about an EDS machine that can see everything :
cavitations, root canal infections, etc.

jean.


--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:
>
> I think the big question is whether cavitations are likely to be
the source
> of your problems, when there are so many alternative possibilities.
> Cavitation scanning and surgery is quite an expensive (and
intrusive)
> solution, so other tests and approaches may be best first. In
Sue's case we
> went for it because (a) we had eliminated many other possible
causes and (b)
> her underlying health problems dated back to when she had all 4
wisdom teeth
> extracted, so there was a possible causal effect.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of jean
> Sent: 13 February 2006 09:52
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: X-rays, cavitat, ultrasound etc
>
>
>
> There is a website giving the dentists who have a cavitat
machines.
> Yes there are some in UK and in Germany. Nothing mentionned for
> France. I don't have the money to make an appointment in the UK or
> Germany !!
>
> Although it might not be a good spending, to be aware of one's
cavities
> issue.
>
> jean.








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Hi,

Several people asked me to dowse for them. Here are the anonimized results:

Person 1/male:
0% genetic mercury detox capability
90 gram in body
30 gram in brain
165 gram at birth
14 drops of ndf per day best approach
ndf (non plus) 100% efficacy and safety
lipoic acid 95% efficacy and safety
ndf plus 0%

Person 2/female:
5% genetic detox capability
32 grams of mercury in body
7 gram of mercury in brain
1 gram at birth
6 drops of ndf per day
after 3 months increase to 11 drops ndf per day
ndf best way to detox, 100% score

Person 3/male:
10% genetic detox capability
18 gram body
7 gram brain
12 gram at birth
8 drops of ndf per day
you can increase to 10 drops after 3 months
ndf best way to detox, 100% score

Person 4/female:
5% genetic detox capability
19 gram in body
8 gram in brain
4 g birth
9 drops of ndf p/day best approach (100% score w.r.t. safety and effectivity)
increase to 12 drops of ndf after 3 months
lipoic acid 95%
lipoic acid 90mg pills
dmsa effetive 95%
dmsa miligrams per pill 80mg
first 3 weeks of dmsa, then you can start using lipoic

Person 5/male:
0% genetic detox capability
11 gram in body
4 gram in brain
ndf plus scores best at 100%
3 drops per day of ndf
increase to 6 drops after 3 months

Again: I think my dowsing skills are above average, but still I can't guarantee it's all correct.
Alas, I don't have much time, so I can't accept further dowsing requests. Perhaps someday in the future.

Greetings,

Ed

Hi, Jean,

I am, like Perla, not one who believes in lawsuits, really. Tho I do think they can sometimes have their usefulness, not in a vindictive way, but in a way that puts things aright, protecting others in the future. In my case, I did not sue mainly because I was too ill to go thru litigation at the time. I was told that I *should* make my claims known to the hospital and some others (lawyers, family, doctors, and friends), in case I later died and my family wished to sue. I was told not to sue the technician who subjected me to these massive doses of radiation directly, but to jointly sue her and the hospital for which she worked. (Actually it was the hospital's responsibility to make sure she was trained adequately for using the xray machine and she obviously wasn't, as she had no idea what settings to use. She took 3+ xrays of each area that needed xrayed, at various settings--a very high setting, a medium setting, and, finally, the correct setting. The proof for this was for
all to see, as it was documented on the films themselves. This was how my chiropractor knew I was exposed to so much radiation.)

It is interesting, in light of current posts here about someone having burning sensations, etc.... I had this after my auto accident for 5 to 7 years. In fact, I had all sorts of odd sensations and health problems. I was actually dxed with MS for awhile, as very many of my symptoms were like MS. I am now beginning to think these symptoms were from that extreme xray exposure! I had not even thought of that at the time! We thought it was spinal/brain damage from the accident.

Wishing you good health,
Diane

jean <[hidden email]> wrote:
I'm afraid there are some kind of voluntary misdoings that are not
punished by the law. I'd be curious to know if you can sue the
person. You'd have to prove that the dose was too high, etc...

It's the same for the phone masts. If there are lots of dead and
sick people 5 to 10 years from now, I really doubt anybody will be
sentenced for that...

jean.


--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi again, Jean,
>
> Lol to shooting the lab technician. I felt like doing that on
occasion. But in this country (USA), the preferred weapon of choice
is lawsuit. ;)
>
> Diane
>
> jean <tdx244@...> wrote:
> I got way less x-rays (I assume) than what happened for your
case.
> Maybe if I learnt a person had done that to me I would just go and
> shoot him (although weapons are not free to buy in France).
>
> Also I really feel like I cannot handle x-rays any longer. Maybe
> it's due to the fact I have undergone some detox (mainly mercury
> removal) and I can feel now nuisances a bit more clearly (in food,
or
> radiation).
>
> jean.







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Okay, still new stuff. Thanks much. It sounds interesting. Now,
mind I don't live in the US ! I'll try to inquire about termograph
where I live.

jean.


--- In [hidden email], "bbin37" <netfarer2@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jean, If cavitation or other nearby infections are potentially
the
> cause of your symptoms you may want to check into having a
thermograph
> done, which is non-intrusive. Some practitioners of Neural Therapy
> (like Dr. Thomas Dorman in Federal Way, Washington) use a
thermograph
> to identify likely trouble locations then give injections of
> anesthetic in the region to lower the neural signals from coming
from
> it that may be causing the difficulty. If you've experienced a drop
> in symptoms after dental anesthesia injection, Neural Therapy might
be
> a fit for you. Marc, Cara, and I have all had our ES symptoms drop
> with application of dental anesthetic.
>
> -Beau