Wireless Cell Phone Shield

Has anyone tried the wirless cell phone shield from lessemf.com? It is
a leather wrap for cell phones that is supposed to block the radiation
while still allowing the phone to work.

Is there any particular phone that does not both ES people as much as
others? Any other shields that anyone has used?

My sypmtoms with new cell phone Samsung T-629 is red face and my head
feels like it will explode. I'm ok with an LCD computer monitor though.

Thanks in advance!

> Is there any particular phone that does not both ES people as much as
> others? Any other shields that anyone has used?

I've got a Nokia 1112, which is a current model that has a black&white
screen (!). I assume that this is less harmful that the ones with
color screens, but it certainly does cause symptoms:

http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/1112

Using the speakerphone keeps it away from my head, otherwise I put a
Springlife Polarizer against it while using it, which also helps some.

Of course, the best thing to do is to use it as little as possible --
last month I had only used it for 8 minutes...

Marc

HELP ! Its time to change my Vehicle, I driving to Switzerland soon - So I
have been around the dealers looking, I really like the Honda HRV(petrol),
but this does have according to the Trifeild several hotspot EMFs, really where
you would expect them around 2-4 mg at scource not so bad around head area.
Of course it does not mean that its going to make you feel really bad it
depends on the levels of EMFS and what you can withstand as the norm in a car -
he says trying to kid himself ! I realise the issue is very complex/many
permutations/anomolies(not to forget Microwave devices checked for with
Electrosmog detector)) Its a big problem as you can either walk away from this or try
to arrange to have the car on a long test drive say 1 day, as that is the only
way to decide, you cant do it in a ten minute test drive ! but not many
dealers will do this ! Glad to say that the local Honda dealer is able to
facilitate this though.

HOWEVER -

I tested others favourable cars - (non seemed to set of the Elecsmog
detector)
Oh a word of warning - Make sure that when you test that there is not a high
EMF from outside giving a false reading, in my case a lamp post near by gave
off 4mg 1.8m away, into the car !


FIAT PUNTO 1.2ELX SPORT (petrol) - 2mg average but at head area may 0.5-1
despite having full spec.

Dhaitsui sport (petrol)(like Toyota Rav 4) 5mg ! everywhere in driver area
!!!

Renault meganne Scenic (petrol)(brand new) 1-2mg average quite surprising as
my wifes 2001model is a killer for emf at head level !!??(the reason why I
got the Trifeild meter in the 1st place)

Mercedes A1 small deisel 4mg in driver area !!!

Vauxhall Zafira Diesal mpv 3-4mg driver area !!

Nissan Nivara diesal truck 2006 - Unbelivably low say 1mg !!!!

So as you can see the issue about deisals having low emfs is not always
true. The problem I am facing here is that where a high EMF exists at scource
say dash board evan if its not say at head area in that it diminishes down with
distance the problem seems to be time related/cumulative (dose responce
related) so really I should walk away from any car that has emfs more than say an
average 2mg in the foot well/fuse board area.

I am so frustrated by this ! I want a new car ! and I want it now ! With ES
you tend to get bogged down/stuck Its a similar thing with my Home I want a
new one of those as well, but I am reasonably ok here, fear keeps you
murraybound after so many bad experiences. I suppose we have to just bite the bullet
and take the best calculated risk we can to keep on moving in this modern
world.

Can I shield EMFS in cars say with Mu-metal has anyone any good advice here.
HELP before I go mad !

PS there must be a lot of talking in the car dealerships about this strange
man who came a calling with his spaceage gadgets. My ears are burning and now
I now why !

Paul




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Thanks Marc! I appreciate the info

Lee

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > Is there any particular phone that does not both ES people as
much as
> > others? Any other shields that anyone has used?
>
> I've got a Nokia 1112, which is a current model that has a
black&white
> screen (!). I assume that this is less harmful that the ones with
> color screens, but it certainly does cause symptoms:
>
> http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/1112
>
> Using the speakerphone keeps it away from my head, otherwise I put
a
> Springlife Polarizer against it while using it, which also helps
some.
>
> Of course, the best thing to do is to use it as little as
possible --
> last month I had only used it for 8 minutes...
>
> Marc
>

> I am so frustrated by this ! I want a new car !

Last year, I noticed that I had no reaction to my wife's new
Acura RSX, so I bought one for myself as well. This has no
LCD screen, no fancy displays, in fact the interior looks like
something that could have been made 20 years ago. Meanwhile,
the Honda Civics looked unnecessarily high-tech on the inside.

Marc

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
> HELP ! Its time to change my Vehicle, I driving to Switzerland
soon - So I
> have been around the dealers looking, I really like the Honda
HRV(petrol),
> but this does have according to the Trifeild several hotspot EMFs,
really where
> you would expect them around 2-4 mg at scource not so bad around
head area.
> Of course it does not mean that its going to make you feel really
bad it
> depends on the levels of EMFS and what you can withstand as the
norm in a car -
> he says trying to kid himself ! I realise the issue is very
complex/many
> permutations/anomolies(not to forget Microwave devices checked for
with
> Electrosmog detector)) Its a big problem as you can either walk away
from this or try
> to arrange to have the car on a long test drive say 1 day, as that
is the only
> way to decide, you cant do it in a ten minute test drive ! but not
many
> dealers will do this ! Glad to say that the local Honda dealer is
able to
> facilitate this though.
>  
> HOWEVER -
>  
> I tested others favourable cars - (non seemed to set of the Elecsmog  
> detector)
> Oh a word of warning - Make sure that when you test that there is
not a high
> EMF from outside giving a false reading, in my case a lamp post near
by gave
> off 4mg 1.8m away, into the car !
>  
>  
> FIAT PUNTO 1.2ELX SPORT (petrol) - 2mg average but at head area may
0.5-1
> despite having full spec.
>  
> Dhaitsui sport (petrol)(like Toyota Rav 4) 5mg ! everywhere in
driver area  
> !!!
>  
> Renault meganne Scenic (petrol)(brand new) 1-2mg average quite
surprising as
> my wifes 2001model is a killer for emf at head level !!??(the reason
why I  
> got the Trifeild meter in the 1st place)
>  
> Mercedes A1 small deisel 4mg in driver area !!!
>  
> Vauxhall Zafira Diesal mpv 3-4mg driver area !!
>  
> Nissan Nivara diesal truck 2006 - Unbelivably low say 1mg !!!!
>  
> So as you can see the issue about deisals having low emfs is not
always  
> true. The problem I am facing here is that where a high EMF exists
at scource
> say dash board evan if its not say at head area in that it
diminishes down with
> distance the problem seems to be time related/cumulative (dose
responce
> related) so really I should walk away from any car that has emfs
more than say an
> average 2mg in the foot well/fuse board area.
>  
> I am so frustrated by this ! I want a new car ! and I want it now !
With ES  
> you tend to get bogged down/stuck Its a similar thing with my Home I
want a
> new one of those as well, but I am reasonably ok here, fear keeps you
> murraybound after so many bad experiences. I suppose we have to
just bite the bullet
> and take the best calculated risk we can to keep on moving in this
modern  
> world.
>  
> Can I shield EMFS in cars say with Mu-metal has anyone any good
advice here.
> HELP before I go mad !
>  
> PS there must be a lot of talking in the car dealerships about this
strange  
> man who came a calling with his spaceage gadgets. My ears are
burning and now
> I now why !
>  
> Paul


I can empathize with you, Paul. I've been through several
cars. Kept feeling like crap driving them, but didn't know
why. It's the EMF stupid!

I rated a few models and posted the results here:
http://www.ahappyhabitat.com/cars.html

I settled for a Chevy Silverado. My dad got a SRX Caddy.
Both have a relatively low field at the driver's seat.

Eli

--- In [hidden email], "ecodwellings" <brian_leeann@...> wrote:
It's not easy to shield a cell phone. I did some experiments
using mu metal. It seems to be an all of nothing situation.
Partially shield the phone and get little reduction in fields.
Fully shield and the cell phone cuts out. My guess is the
product at lessemf is a gimmick. Use a headset.

As for wireless house phones, I was successfull in fully shielding
one and it still worked. Sheild and use a headset.

Eli

Why don't you try one of the devices that claim to neutralize the
harmful aspects of energy emitted by the cell phone, like the Cell
Phone Rejuvenizer? If it doesn't work, you have NOTHING TO LOSE
because the product has a 60 day money-back guarantee. If it does
work, then you have found a cheap solution that you can tell others about.

http://www.lighthealing.com/purchase-rejuvenizer.aspx
http://www.lighthealing.com/guarantee.aspx

Good luck,
Gilligan

gilligan_joy wrote:
> Why don't you try one of the devices that claim to neutralize the
> harmful aspects of energy emitted by the cell phone, like the Cell
> Phone Rejuvenizer? If it doesn't work, you have only lost $25 plus
> shipping.

Definitely worth a try, although I can say from personal experience
that the cell phone rejuvenizer causes me agitation all by itself,
so it's better to deal with a minute or two of the cellphone than
hours of the device (which would be next to my body even when the
phone is not being used).

Although again, the EMF devices which I usually carry around with
me (Quantum,Springlife) work well with the cellphone if I hold
them next to the cellphone while I'm using them. It's not a 100%
solution, but definitely an improvement.

Marc

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
Yep. What works for me may not work for you. One man's medicine is
another man's poison. Simple and universal solutions are difficult to
find.

Gilligan

i know a good solution, don't use a mobile phone


On 14 Jan 2007, at 17:23, Marc Martin wrote:

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--- In [hidden email], pete robinson <robbo@...> wrote:
>
> i know a good solution, don't use a mobile phone
>

Yes, of course, Pete, you are right. I think, however, some people
with ES require the use of a mobile phone for their work, and would
stop using one ASAP if they could.

Gilligan

--- Thanks Gilligan - well said! I have not used a cell phone for
the past 12 years, but a career change to outside sales leaves me
little choice - it's a balance between working and not working for
some of us! Perhaps when I retire.....

 


In [hidden email], "gilligan_joy" <gilliganjoy@...> wrote:

>> Has anyone tried the wirless cell phone shield from lessemf.com? It is
>> a leather wrap for cell phones that is supposed to block the radiation
>> while still allowing the phone to work.

The Wireless Phone Shield from LessEMF.com comes with a CD that shows the inventor testing the device with a
radiation meter. Very obvious shielding effect for microwaves. In fact, LessEMF.com selects the products they carry
on the criteria that they have a shielding effect which can be measured objectively (that is, with a meter). That
way, they rule out most bio-energetic products, and all gimmicks.

>
> It's not easy to shield a cell phone. I did some experiments
> using mu metal. It seems to be an all of nothing situation.
> Partially shield the phone and get little reduction in fields.
> Fully shield and the cell phone cuts out. My guess is the
> product at lessemf is a gimmick. Use a headset.

Remember that cell phones emit both magnetic field (can be shielded by mu-metal) and microwaves (which need
different shielding material).

So if you are using a gaussmeter to measure shielding effectiveness, you are measuring magnetic field only.
However, most of the hoopla about cellphone dangers centers around the microwave emissions. Of course, for the
electrically sensitive, it would be wise to avoid both. If you must use a cellphone, the only way I know about to
reduce exposure to both types of field is to use an air tube headset, with extensions, if necessary. That way, your
exposure is reduce (dramatically) by increasing your distance from the phone.

Emil

If you are very ES for want of better word you will not likely be able to
put up with mobile use for long else your health will plummet in no time ! you
have to find a way around the problem you have lillte choice, in my case I
earn less to keep my health in check its your health or your wealth !!


Paul


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> If you are very ES for want of better word you will not likely be able to
> put up with mobile use for long else your health will plummet in no time
> ! you have to find a way around the problem you have lillte choice, in my case
> I earn less to keep my health in check its your health or your wealth !!

It's not necessarily true that you have to sacrifice your job in order
to be healthy. I was out of work for about a year until I discovered
EMF protection devices that allowed me to return to work. If I had
known about these devices in the first place, I never would have
been out of work to start with!

Marc

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:
> It's not necessarily true that you have to sacrifice your job in
order
> to be healthy. I was out of work for about a year until I discovered
> EMF protection devices that allowed me to return to work. If I had
> known about these devices in the first place, I never would have
> been out of work to start with!

I'm very interested in the Quantum Products EMF protection devices
that Marc uses. I have been averse to using battery-powered devices,
but really I have no good reason for that. Many of the EMF protection
devices I use are not really suitable for people with severe ES
because they create their own subtle energy field: The Personal
Rejuvenizer pendant, bocArus e.f.e's, and MegaChi Pendant. The energy
field these devices create may be too strong for many people with ES
to handle; the nervous sytem is just too weak. The exception to this,
of the devices I have tried, is the EarthCalm Basic Resonator pendant:
I used this when my ES was at its worst, and did not experience
any "subtle energy overload". It did not provide complete protection
from EMFs (I really doubt any product can), but it strongly stimulated
my life force, which had become stagnant, and because of this it was
important to my recovery from ES.

The explanation of how Quantum Products work, as taken from the
Quantum Products website: "Quantum Products™ with SuperForce
Technology™ (SFT™ ) are unique in their approach to improving the
quality of the environment. They do not add frequencies to the
environment. Instead they simply neutralize an unwanted quantum
mechanical noise that already exists in man-made electrical
frequencies."

The Quantum Products interest me because the claim is that they do not
add any frequencies to the environment; they merely neutralize the
noise. If this is so, then they should not create any "subtle energy
overload" like the first three products I mention above may do.

I've searched through the eSens postings (using the search
string "Quantum Products") to find out if there are many people who
have had success with Quantum Products other than Marc, but I didn't
find any references by other people who said they have had success
with these devices.

I'd really like to know how many of the eSens newsgroup members have
had good success with Quantum Products. The reason I'm interested is
because I'm considering adding them to my recommended EMF protection
devices list on my website, www.electrical-sensitivity.com.

If there are any other products that members have had success with,
such as Stetzer filters (those look very promising: they are simple
filters, there is nothing woo-woo about them), I'd like to hear about
your success with them also.

I can't test these other devices myself for two reasons: (1) I no
longer have ES; and (2) cost-prohibitive.

Thank you,
Gilligan

> The exception to this, of the devices I have tried, is the
> EarthCalm Basic Resonator pendant: I used this when my ES
> was at its worst, and did not experience any "subtle energy overload".

Gilligan, I cannot recall -- were you able to use the Earthcalm
pendant 24/7 right from the start, or did it require some days/months
to build up a tolerance to it? I tried using this pendant for months,
but was never able to tolerate wearing it more than a few hours.
Since I needed something that would help me 8+ hours a day, I
gave up on it. It did help me in short bursts, however...

> I've searched through the eSens postings (using the search
> string "Quantum Products") to find out if there are many people who
> have had success with Quantum Products other than Marc, but I didn't
> find any references by other people who said they have had success
> with these devices.

I think there were a few people... Glenn, Beau, Cara... but you're
right, I haven't seen a lot of success with this (or any, for that
matter) specific product. The Stetzer filters have also had a few
success stories here.

Marc

has anyone tried these products www.implosionresearch.com
i got harmoniser from here the other day and we report back about it
pete
On 15 Jan 2007, at 20:57, gilligan_joy wrote:

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> has anyone tried these products www.implosionresearch.com
> i got harmoniser from here the other day and we report back about it

Yes, please do report back on this... I've seen these at an
alternative health fair a few years ago, but have no personal
experience with them...

Marc