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R. Ticle
Hey everyone,

As I continue on trying to find a way to run a computer fully on 12V DC, I keep hitting blocks. The hardest one is trying to find an external monitorthat can accept 12V DC power - the PC itself isn't an issue to find - either a laptop, or a mini, fanless system.

However, if I had a mini, fanless system, I would still need a monitor, which would have to be run with AC power, or an outrageously priced 12V LCD designed for cars and boats, and I'm not able to drop one or two thousand bucks on a ten inch screen!

So, if I can't find a way around that, it might mean a laptop. Unfortunately, laptops, from what I've heard, can have pretty bad emissions. Better on battery, of course. Still, probably not that good, though, at the distance you use them at. I could help this by using an external keyboard and mouse, but the screen on a laptop is smaller, so I can't sit as far away fromit.

So! - I need to know if anyone knows of anybody who can do a really good job of shielding a laptop, from escaping magnetic, electric, and RF fields. I think, quite some time ago, I read on either emfrefugee, or eSens, of someone who was very happy with the work a company in Europe did on their laptop - they were quite sensitive, and were fine with the system after the modifications.

Anyone know who/what I mean? Or are there any other people you might recommend, if the laptop route is the way to go?

(I have looked at the really small web notebook type computers, but the battery life seems crappy, and they may not be fast enough to do some of what I do - audio and photo work).

Thanks!

R.ticle One

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evie15422
Hi, Rticle,
 
I have no info as to the person or laptop you are referring to, but I do also remember someone--I think it has been in the past 6 months--who mentioned such a laptop.
 
I have a laptop that I was able to tweek into submission, of sorts.  I still have problems down and uploading and with sites with streaming video--Ijust avoid these (or leave the room during up and downloading).  But my reactions to my laptop otherwise are minimal now on the whole.  (I groundmyself after using it to discharge any energy I have taken on from it, butotherwise do not react badly unless I am detoxing alot.)  I removed the cards--broadband and wifi--and tweeked various hardware and software settings.  For instance, I had help to negate all start-up and close-down functions that could be bypassed safely.  And there are multiple modem settings that were changed. 
 
I bought a Dell laptop that had 30 days software and 1 yr hardware tech support.  I called the Dell techs and they worked with me almost everyday for the 30 day period till my support ran out.  I could have called for more help if I needed it regarding the hardware, but that was the first thing we worked on.  I was truly surprised at how open-minded they were and how much help they were.  The last tech I had--the day my support ran out--was truly upset I was not going to be able to call back if I continued to have problems!  I was initially afraid that these guys would think I was a pain in the neck; but they were very patient and understanding.  I formerly had tried a Toshiba and the tech support was useless--I returned that laptop. 
 
That said, initially I had a great deal of problems with the laptop and could only be in its presence about 45 mins before I was totally undone, mentally and physically.  I found it necessary to make an aluminum foil shieldand hat to wear just to work on the thing! 
 
Good luck--hope it works out for you,
Diane

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From: rticleone <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:48 AM






Hey everyone,

As I continue on trying to find a way to run a computer fully on 12V DC, I keep hitting blocks. The hardest one is trying to find an external monitor that can accept 12V DC power - the PC itself isn't an issue to find - either a laptop, or a mini, fanless system.

However, if I had a mini, fanless system, I would still need a monitor, which would have to be run with AC power, or an outrageously priced 12V LCD designed for cars and boats, and I'm not able to drop one or two thousand bucks on a ten inch screen!

So, if I can't find a way around that, it might mean a laptop. Unfortunately, laptops, from what I've heard, can have pretty bad emissions. Better on battery, of course. Still, probably not that good, though, at the distance you use them at. I could help this by using an external keyboard and mouse,but the screen on a laptop is smaller, so I can't sit as far away from it.

So! - I need to know if anyone knows of anybody who can do a really good job of shielding a laptop, from escaping magnetic, electric, and RF fields. Ithink, quite some time ago, I read on either emfrefugee, or eSens, of someone who was very happy with the work a company in Europe did on their laptop - they were quite sensitive, and were fine with the system after the modifications.

Anyone know who/what I mean? Or are there any other people you might recommend, if the laptop route is the way to go?

(I have looked at the really small web notebook type computers, but the battery life seems crappy, and they may not be fast enough to do some of what I do - audio and photo work).

Thanks!

R.ticle One

















     

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R. Ticle
Hey Diane,

I was speaking with someone last night; he said that he doesn't find Dell too bad - he may have also said that newer Dell stuff is made with healthiermaterials (he said Apple, for sure, and possibly Dell), so there's not allthis horrible outgassing you get with most new electronics...I hate that smell!

If you don't mind/are able to describe, what sorts of hardware tweaks did you make, if any, beyond removing the WiFi, etc.

What did you eliminate from the startup processes? And the modem settings? I would hope I could use it with a cable internet connection (or, if I'm roughing it in the rural world, a telephone modem).

Anyway, if you can provide some specifics, it would be super useful and appreciated, so I've got some idea of what I could work with in addition to shielding one. If I could get a really well set up laptop, I'd happily sell this big screen LCD and PC tower!

Beyond all that, though, you didn't do any physical modifications to it, did you?

Well, if anyone remembers who we're both thinking of that may have had a lap top worked on for them, it's appreciated if you can post it, or have any other suggestions!

Many thanks,

R.

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

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> Hi, Rticle,
>  
> I have no info as to the person or laptop you are referring to, but I do also remember someone--I think it has been in the past 6 months--who mentioned such a laptop.
>  
> I have a laptop that I was able to tweek into submission, of sorts.  I still have problems down and uploading and with sites with streaming video--I just avoid these (or leave the room during up and downloading).  But my reactions to my laptop otherwise are minimal now on the whole.  (I ground myself after using it to discharge any energy I have taken on from it, but otherwise do not react badly unless I am detoxing alot.)  I removed the cards--broadband and wifi--and tweeked various hardware and software settings.  For instance, I had help to negate all start-up and close-down functions that could be bypassed safely.  And there are multiple modem settings that were changed. 
>  
> I bought a Dell laptop that had 30 days software and 1 yr hardware tech support.  I called the Dell techs and they worked with me almost everyday for the 30 day period till my support ran out.  I could have called formore help if I needed it regarding the hardware, but that was the first thing we worked on.  I was truly surprised at how open-minded they were andhow much help they were.  The last tech I had--the day my support ran out--was truly upset I was not going to be able to call back if I continued to have problems!  I was initially afraid that these guys would think I was a pain in the neck; but they were very patient and understanding.  I formerly had tried a Toshiba and the tech support was useless--I returned that laptop. 
>  
> That said, initially I had a great deal of problems with the laptop and could only be in its presence about 45 mins before I was totally undone, mentally and physically.  I found it necessary to make an aluminum foil shield and hat to wear just to work on the thing! 
>  
> Good luck--hope it works out for you,
> Diane
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> --- On Tue, 4/7/09, rticleone <rticleone@...> wrote:
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> From: rticleone <rticleone@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:48 AM
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> Hey everyone,
>
> As I continue on trying to find a way to run a computer fully on 12V DC, I keep hitting blocks. The hardest one is trying to find an external monitor that can accept 12V DC power - the PC itself isn't an issue to find - either a laptop, or a mini, fanless system.
>
> However, if I had a mini, fanless system, I would still need a monitor, which would have to be run with AC power, or an outrageously priced 12V LCD designed for cars and boats, and I'm not able to drop one or two thousand bucks on a ten inch screen!
>
> So, if I can't find a way around that, it might mean a laptop. Unfortunately, laptops, from what I've heard, can have pretty bad emissions. Better on battery, of course. Still, probably not that good, though, at the distance you use them at. I could help this by using an external keyboard and mouse, but the screen on a laptop is smaller, so I can't sit as far away from it.
>
> So! - I need to know if anyone knows of anybody who can do a really good job of shielding a laptop, from escaping magnetic, electric, and RF fields.I think, quite some time ago, I read on either emfrefugee, or eSens, of someone who was very happy with the work a company in Europe did on their laptop - they were quite sensitive, and were fine with the system after the modifications.
>
> Anyone know who/what I mean? Or are there any other people you might recommend, if the laptop route is the way to go?
>
> (I have looked at the really small web notebook type computers, but the battery life seems crappy, and they may not be fast enough to do some of what I do - audio and photo work).
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> Thanks!
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> R.ticle One
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evie15422
Hi, Rticle,
 
Sorry I don't have time to send you anything tonight.  Will see what I can come up with tomorrow, tho.  You do realize, tho, that the Dell techs were the ones working on my laptop, for the most part?  I gave them access, by phone, to go into my computer and change things.  I had to make the hardware changes by them talking me thru it; and for some of the work, they gave me a list and told me to try various things while I was on my own.  I might not remember all the changes, but if you buy a new computer, they usually come with 30 days free support and you could get their expertisetoo.  I had a hardware tech from New Delhi--no kidding; he was great! I had 5 software techs, all from the US, and they were all great too (I could have just had 1, but I had to call in at various times and sometimes the one I had talked to was not there.  Also, some techs specialized in various areas and so they sent me to another tech if they thought he had more
info in that area.)
 
Will see if I remember or have a record of all the changes.  I don't think I have a full record, tho.
 
Diane

--- On Tue, 4/7/09, rticleone <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: rticleone <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:12 PM






Hey Diane,

I was speaking with someone last night; he said that he doesn't find Dell too bad - he may have also said that newer Dell stuff is made with healthiermaterials (he said Apple, for sure, and possibly Dell), so there's not allthis horrible outgassing you get with most new electronics. ..I hate that smell!

If you don't mind/are able to describe, what sorts of hardware tweaks did you make, if any, beyond removing the WiFi, etc.

What did you eliminate from the startup processes? And the modem settings? I would hope I could use it with a cable internet connection (or, if I'm roughing it in the rural world, a telephone modem).

Anyway, if you can provide some specifics, it would be super useful and appreciated, so I've got some idea of what I could work with in addition to shielding one. If I could get a really well set up laptop, I'd happily sell this big screen LCD and PC tower!

Beyond all that, though, you didn't do any physical modifications to it, did you?

Well, if anyone remembers who we're both thinking of that may have had a lap top worked on for them, it's appreciated if you can post it, or have any other suggestions!

Many thanks,

R.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote:

>
> Hi, Rticle,
>  
> I have no info as to the person or laptop you are referring to, but I do also remember someone--I think it has been in the past 6 months--who mentioned such a laptop.
>  
> I have a laptop that I was able to tweek into submission, of sorts.  I still have problems down and uploading and with sites with streaming video--I just avoid these (or leave the room during up and downloading) .  But my reactions to my laptop otherwise are minimal now on the whole.  (I ground myself after using it to discharge any energy I have taken on from it, but otherwise do not react badly unless I am detoxing alot.)  I removed the cards--broadband and wifi--and tweeked various hardware and software settings.  For instance, I had help to negate all start-up and close-down functions that could be bypassed safely.  And there are multiple modem settings that were changed. 
>  
> I bought a Dell laptop that had 30 days software and 1 yr hardware tech support.  I called the Dell techs and they worked with me almost everyday for the 30 day period till my support ran out.  I could have called formore help if I needed it regarding the hardware, but that was the first thing we worked on.  I was truly surprised at how open-minded they were andhow much help they were.  The last tech I had--the day my support ran out--was truly upset I was not going to be able to call back if I continued to have problems!  I was initially afraid that these guys would think I was a pain in the neck; but they were very patient and understanding.  I formerly had tried a Toshiba and the tech support was useless--I returned that laptop. 
>  
> That said, initially I had a great deal of problems with the laptop and could only be in its presence about 45 mins before I was totally undone, mentally and physically.  I found it necessary to make an aluminum foil shield and hat to wear just to work on the thing! 
>  
> Good luck--hope it works out for you,
> Diane
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> --- On Tue, 4/7/09, rticleone <rticleone@. ..> wrote:
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> From: rticleone <rticleone@. ..>
> Subject: [eSens] Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:48 AM
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> Hey everyone,
>
> As I continue on trying to find a way to run a computer fully on 12V DC, I keep hitting blocks. The hardest one is trying to find an external monitor that can accept 12V DC power - the PC itself isn't an issue to find - either a laptop, or a mini, fanless system.
>
> However, if I had a mini, fanless system, I would still need a monitor, which would have to be run with AC power, or an outrageously priced 12V LCD designed for cars and boats, and I'm not able to drop one or two thousand bucks on a ten inch screen!
>
> So, if I can't find a way around that, it might mean a laptop. Unfortunately, laptops, from what I've heard, can have pretty bad emissions. Better on battery, of course. Still, probably not that good, though, at the distance you use them at. I could help this by using an external keyboard and mouse, but the screen on a laptop is smaller, so I can't sit as far away from it.
>
> So! - I need to know if anyone knows of anybody who can do a really good job of shielding a laptop, from escaping magnetic, electric, and RF fields.I think, quite some time ago, I read on either emfrefugee, or eSens, of someone who was very happy with the work a company in Europe did on their laptop - they were quite sensitive, and were fine with the system after the modifications.
>
> Anyone know who/what I mean? Or are there any other people you might recommend, if the laptop route is the way to go?
>
> (I have looked at the really small web notebook type computers, but the battery life seems crappy, and they may not be fast enough to do some of what I do - audio and photo work).
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> Thanks!
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> R.ticle One
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R. Ticle
Hey Diane,

Anything at all you can bring up would be great. As far as the techs helping you, what sorts of questions did you phrase to them which helped them decide how your laptop should be configured? Like, "I want this laptop to usethe processor less, or emit less magnetic field..."?

Cheers,

R.

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

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> Hi, Rticle,
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> Sorry I don't have time to send you anything tonight.  Will see what I can come up with tomorrow, tho.  You do realize, tho, that the Dell techswere the ones working on my laptop, for the most part?  I gave them access, by phone, to go into my computer and change things.  I had to make the hardware changes by them talking me thru it; and for some of the work, they gave me a list and told me to try various things while I was on my own.  I might not remember all the changes, but if you buy a new computer, they usually come with 30 days free support and you could get their expertise too.  I had a hardware tech from New Delhi--no kidding; he was great!  I had 5 software techs, all from the US, and they were all great too (Icould have just had 1, but I had to call in at various times and sometimesthe one I had talked to was not there.  Also, some techs specialized in various areas and so they sent me to another tech if they thought he had more
> info in that area.)
>  
> Will see if I remember or have a record of all the changes.  I don't think I have a full record, tho.
>  
> Diane
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> --- On Tue, 4/7/09, rticleone <rticleone@...> wrote:
>
> From: rticleone <rticleone@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:12 PM
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> Hey Diane,
>
> I was speaking with someone last night; he said that he doesn't find Delltoo bad - he may have also said that newer Dell stuff is made with healthier materials (he said Apple, for sure, and possibly Dell), so there's not all this horrible outgassing you get with most new electronics. ..I hate that smell!
>
> If you don't mind/are able to describe, what sorts of hardware tweaks didyou make, if any, beyond removing the WiFi, etc.
>
> What did you eliminate from the startup processes? And the modem settings? I would hope I could use it with a cable internet connection (or, if I'm roughing it in the rural world, a telephone modem).
>
> Anyway, if you can provide some specifics, it would be super useful and appreciated, so I've got some idea of what I could work with in addition to shielding one. If I could get a really well set up laptop, I'd happily sellthis big screen LCD and PC tower!
>
> Beyond all that, though, you didn't do any physical modifications to it, did you?
>
> Well, if anyone remembers who we're both thinking of that may have had a lap top worked on for them, it's appreciated if you can post it, or have any other suggestions!
>
> Many thanks,
>
> R.
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> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote:
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> > Hi, Rticle,
> >  
> > I have no info as to the person or laptop you are referring to, but I do also remember someone--I think it has been in the past 6 months--who mentioned such a laptop.
> >  
> > I have a laptop that I was able to tweek into submission, of sorts.  I still have problems down and uploading and with sites with streaming video--I just avoid these (or leave the room during up and downloading) .  But my reactions to my laptop otherwise are minimal now on the whole.  (I ground myself after using it to discharge any energy I have taken on from it, but otherwise do not react badly unless I am detoxing alot.)  I removedthe cards--broadband and wifi--and tweeked various hardware and software settings.  For instance, I had help to negate all start-up and close-down functions that could be bypassed safely.  And there are multiple modem settings that were changed. 
> >  
> > I bought a Dell laptop that had 30 days software and 1 yr hardware techsupport.  I called the Dell techs and they worked with me almost everyday for the 30 day period till my support ran out.  I could have called for more help if I needed it regarding the hardware, but that was the first thing we worked on.  I was truly surprised at how open-minded they were and how much help they were.  The last tech I had--the day my support ran out--was truly upset I was not going to be able to call back if I continuedto have problems!  I was initially afraid that these guys would think I was a pain in the neck; but they were very patient and understanding.  I formerly had tried a Toshiba and the tech support was useless--I returned that laptop. 
> >  
> > That said, initially I had a great deal of problems with the laptop andcould only be in its presence about 45 mins before I was totally undone, mentally and physically.  I found it necessary to make an aluminum foil shield and hat to wear just to work on the thing! 
> >  
> > Good luck--hope it works out for you,
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, rticleone <rticleone@ ..> wrote:
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> > From: rticleone <rticleone@ ..>
> > Subject: [eSens] Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:48 AM
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> > However, if I had a mini, fanless system, I would still need a monitor,which would have to be run with AC power, or an outrageously priced 12V LCD designed for cars and boats, and I'm not able to drop one or two thousandbucks on a ten inch screen!
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> > So! - I need to know if anyone knows of anybody who can do a really good job of shielding a laptop, from escaping magnetic, electric, and RF fields. I think, quite some time ago, I read on either emfrefugee, or eSens, of someone who was very happy with the work a company in Europe did on their laptop - they were quite sensitive, and were fine with the system after the modifications.
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> > Anyone know who/what I mean? Or are there any other people you might recommend, if the laptop route is the way to go?
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> > (I have looked at the really small web notebook type computers, but thebattery life seems crappy, and they may not be fast enough to do some of what I do - audio and photo work).
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> > However, if I had a mini, fanless system, I would still need a monitor,
which would have to be run with AC power, or an outrageously priced 12V LCD
designed for cars and boats, and I'm not able to drop one or two thousand
bucks on a ten inch screen!



have you tried ebay 12voly lcd search ?


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course. Still, probably not that good, though, at the distance you use them
at. I could help this by using an external keyboard and mouse, but the screen
on a laptop is smaller, so I can't sit as far away from it.



Try Zoomtext 8.1, it is cheap if you can scource a copy say on ebay I sit
1.8m away from my laptop and can see fine. Also recently I have switched to a
micro ball mouse and this is a lot better than previous larger ones. I will
also try to get a micro keyboard by trawling the carboot markets.

Paul


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In a message dated 4/8/2009 12:59:39 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,  
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> > So! - I need to know if anyone knows of anybody who can do a really good
job of shielding a laptop, from escaping magnetic, electric, and RF fields.
I think, quite some time ago, I read on either emfrefugee, or eSens, of
someone who was very happy with the work a company in Europe did on their laptop -
they were quite sensitive, and were fine with the system after the  
modifications.
> >
> > Anyone know who/what I mean? Or are there any other people you might
recommend, if the laptop route is the way to go?
> >
> > (I have looked at the really small web notebook type computers, but the
battery life seems crappy, and they may not be fast enough to do some of what
I do - audio and photo work).



I have a friend in uk who just purchase a fully (as fully can be) sheilded
laptop and is very pleased with the outcome, only trouble is it cost about
£1000 !
 
Paul UK


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I have been looking around in general, on Google, but most of what I've found hasn't been suitable. However, I realized that some TVs, some even HDTVready, are being made 12V for RVs; perhaps they can accept a computer input for the graphics. I'll check the 'bay.
Thanks!

R.

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Well, that's a hell of a lot of money that I don't have - however, if you're able to provide the information about it, where they got it, a website, or whatever, it's appreciated, to get an idea of what people are doing!

Thanking you,

R.

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Marc Martin
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> I have a friend in uk who just purchase a fully (as fully can be)
> sheilded laptop and is very pleased with the outcome, only trouble
> is it cost about £1000 !

You know, you can easily pay that much for a regular laptop, so
that isn't such a terrible price...

Marc

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Hi again, Rticle,
 
When I first called in, I talked with a techie who sent me to a hardware specialist who he said specialized in this type of problem.  When I got thenew guy I asked if he was at all familiar with my es problem and to my surprise he said that he helped a number of people in the past with it and that he was seeing the problem come up more frequently.  (He said at the time he was getting about one person/month with es from their computer.)  I did take it that he was THE ONLY tech specializing in this, as I could not call anyone else within Dell but him.  But still, I was ecstatic!  (1es person/month, 3 years ago, world-wide for Dell was still probably a fairly small occurrence, but I was impressed!)
 
Well, the very first changes made were hardware changes.  First we went into "My Computer" and opened the device manager and shut off devices and then removed the battery, a wifi card, and a broadband card. (The summarized version)  The long version: we disabled the card devices--modems,network adaptors (except for broadcom 440x10/100), the battery devices, and then I removed the battery because I was having problems with it--I use my computer plugged to a/c but that is probably not something which you need to do--I have battery draining powers.  ;)  Long story, but mainly what you need to know is when the battery is charging, it caused me great problems es-wise.  The tech said he knew that sometimes the cards reverberate off of the battery.  Understand this was something we did before removing the cards because I was reacting so badly.  I could have introduced the battery afterwards but just didn't because the battery didn't stay charged
long enough for me personally and I reacted to it charging worse than having the computer plugged in itself.)  
 
The tech also walked me thru a checklist of changes in the hardware profiles (which I couldn't remember today--this was nearly 3 years ago and the likelihood of the changes being the same today as then is probably not good either).  We went into the bios and made changes there--again, I wouldn't want to tell you what we did there, as it could mess up your computer if I was wrong.  You would want a techie to help you with that.
 
After this, I called back to the software department and the techs helped me figure out which programs I needed or could do without.  We went systematically over every program--including component parts of programs.  We striped as much as possible from the start up menu (down and uploading causes the hard-drive to work harder and that affects my es; loading programs isthe same).  We put as many programs as possible into the "programs list", put items I used more often as "desktop icons" which I could access easily if needed, and set settings so that I was as much in control of everything as possible....  When I received the computer it had automatic download of everything!  Google kept popping up and downloading crap I didn'teven want to know, etc....  I hated the new format for Explorer 7 and sothey fixed it so it would not automatically download when I shut down my computer. (We had to remove it about 6 times before it worked.  There was
also a glitch in Explorer 7 at the time I got my computer.  The Dell techs hated Explorer 7 as much as I did and so they were glad to help me keep Explorer 6!)  They looked at utilities that were not 100% necessary and removed some of them.  They set up updates so that I manually had to download them, but there are some Windows updates that could not be totally manually controlled--they auto load if you do not load them manually within a month.  (But even then, I can postpone loading them by checking a box thatpops up, if I am busy on the computer.)  Most of these were individual preference type of changes made mostly in the "control panel".  There was a Dell systems checker they disabled and put in my "programs file"--I can run it if I want but I never have.  I went into display and played with the resolution to see which setting worked best for me. 
 
Also, afterwards, they told me to play with the outlets I had things plugged into--it did make a difference.  The phone, computer, and dsl box were all on the same outlet initially--bad, apparently.  When I was able to move the computer to a room where I could set up the phone, puter, and dsl box all on separate outlets, I got less emfs.  They told me it works best to have these all 6 to 8 feet apart and not near other electronics like the tv.  That is how I have my computer now.  Also, someone here at this forum--Stewart, I think--told me to try the plug in different directions to see if that made any difference, and that did!  It made a huge difference and I was plugging the plug in upside-down almost every time (laptops are polarized but not with a polarized plug, so I put a paint dot on the top of the plug so I could tell which direction to put it more easily). 
 
There was not much outgassing at all with my Dell.  (The most outgassing was actually with the battery I removed and the cds, etc, that came with the computer; not the laptop itself.) 
 
And as for what I told the Dell techs....  I just told them I got ill from certain emfs.  They asked what my symptoms were and what types of things I reacted to and I told them.  I also told them that I get (got) very confused after having the computer on awhile.  They began to recognise this symptom in me themselves and would ask if I could go on or needed to quitfor awhile.  They told me how to call back later and get the person I was talking to and I'd hang up till I felt I could go on--somedays at firstI needed a couple days to recover.  I sometimes just left the room andlet them take over remotely--they couldn't always do this, however, as they needed to ask me questions. 
 
Oh, something else--they had to test periodically to see whether the systems were still ok with the changes made--they ran scans of various sorts.  At one point, I thought we were almost done and a test showed my computer was ready to crash!  The tech said that if it had, it was the kind of crash that would have likely ruined the hard-drive.  So at that point, everything had to be put back to square one and done over.  He literally deleted the entire operating system and I had to re-download it.  We lost about2 weeks due to that.  
 
After this, I still had some problems, but I tried an optical (infra-red) mouse for several days.  I reacted terribly to it at the time, but oddly, after I returned the mouse to the store, I never reacted as bad to my computer again, until I detoxed too quickly in January of this year.  (I am now better again, tho.)
 
Sorry I cannot give you more in depth info--the program info depends on what is loaded on your computer, too.  You access the start menu from the "control panel"and go to "task menu/start menu".  You can there control what starts up when you turn on your computer.
 
Hope this helps,
Diane 

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Subject: [eSens] Re: Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
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Hey Diane,

Anything at all you can bring up would be great. As far as the techs helping you, what sorts of questions did you phrase to them which helped them decide how your laptop should be configured? Like, "I want this laptop to use the processor less, or emit less magnetic field..."?

Cheers,

R.

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> Sorry I don't have time to send you anything tonight.  Will see what I can come up with tomorrow, tho.  You do realize, tho, that the Dell techswere the ones working on my laptop, for the most part?  I gave them access, by phone, to go into my computer and change things.  I had to make the hardware changes by them talking me thru it; and for some of the work, they gave me a list and told me to try various things while I was on my own.  I might not remember all the changes, but if you buy a new computer, they usually come with 30 days free support and you could get their expertise too.  I had a hardware tech from New Delhi--no kidding; he was great!  I had 5 software techs, all from the US, and they were all great too (Icould have just had 1, but I had to call in at various times and sometimesthe one I had talked to was not there.  Also, some techs specialized in various areas and so they sent me to another tech if they thought he had more
> info in that area.)
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> Will see if I remember or have a record of all the changes.  I don't think I have a full record, tho.
>  
> Diane
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> --- On Tue, 4/7/09, rticleone <rticleone@. ..> wrote:
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> From: rticleone <rticleone@. ..>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:12 PM
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> Hey Diane,
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> I was speaking with someone last night; he said that he doesn't find Delltoo bad - he may have also said that newer Dell stuff is made with healthier materials (he said Apple, for sure, and possibly Dell), so there's not all this horrible outgassing you get with most new electronics. ..I hate that smell!
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> If you don't mind/are able to describe, what sorts of hardware tweaks didyou make, if any, beyond removing the WiFi, etc.
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> What did you eliminate from the startup processes? And the modem settings? I would hope I could use it with a cable internet connection (or, if I'm roughing it in the rural world, a telephone modem).
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> Anyway, if you can provide some specifics, it would be super useful and appreciated, so I've got some idea of what I could work with in addition to shielding one. If I could get a really well set up laptop, I'd happily sellthis big screen LCD and PC tower!
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> Beyond all that, though, you didn't do any physical modifications to it, did you?
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> Well, if anyone remembers who we're both thinking of that may have had a lap top worked on for them, it's appreciated if you can post it, or have any other suggestions!
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> Many thanks,
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> R.
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> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote:
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> > Hi, Rticle,
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> > I have no info as to the person or laptop you are referring to, but I do also remember someone--I think it has been in the past 6 months--who mentioned such a laptop.
> >  
> > I have a laptop that I was able to tweek into submission, of sorts.  I still have problems down and uploading and with sites with streaming video--I just avoid these (or leave the room during up and downloading) .  But my reactions to my laptop otherwise are minimal now on the whole.  (I ground myself after using it to discharge any energy I have taken on from it, but otherwise do not react badly unless I am detoxing alot.)  I removedthe cards--broadband and wifi--and tweeked various hardware and software settings.  For instance, I had help to negate all start-up and close-down functions that could be bypassed safely.  And there are multiple modem settings that were changed. 
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> > I bought a Dell laptop that had 30 days software and 1 yr hardware techsupport.  I called the Dell techs and they worked with me almost everyday for the 30 day period till my support ran out.  I could have called for more help if I needed it regarding the hardware, but that was the first thing we worked on.  I was truly surprised at how open-minded they were and how much help they were.  The last tech I had--the day my support ran out--was truly upset I was not going to be able to call back if I continuedto have problems!  I was initially afraid that these guys would think I was a pain in the neck; but they were very patient and understanding.  I formerly had tried a Toshiba and the tech support was useless--I returned that laptop. 
> >  
> > That said, initially I had a great deal of problems with the laptop andcould only be in its presence about 45 mins before I was totally undone, mentally and physically.  I found it necessary to make an aluminum foil shield and hat to wear just to work on the thing! 
> >  
> > Good luck--hope it works out for you,
> > Diane
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> > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, rticleone <rticleone@ ..> wrote:
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> > From: rticleone <rticleone@ ..>
> > Subject: [eSens] Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:48 AM
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> > Hey everyone,
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> > As I continue on trying to find a way to run a computer fully on 12V DC, I keep hitting blocks. The hardest one is trying to find an external monitor that can accept 12V DC power - the PC itself isn't an issue to find - either a laptop, or a mini, fanless system.
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> > However, if I had a mini, fanless system, I would still need a monitor,which would have to be run with AC power, or an outrageously priced 12V LCD designed for cars and boats, and I'm not able to drop one or two thousandbucks on a ten inch screen!
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> > So, if I can't find a way around that, it might mean a laptop. Unfortunately, laptops, from what I've heard, can have pretty bad emissions. Betteron battery, of course. Still, probably not that good, though, at the distance you use them at. I could help this by using an external keyboard and mouse, but the screen on a laptop is smaller, so I can't sit as far away fromit.
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> > So! - I need to know if anyone knows of anybody who can do a really good job of shielding a laptop, from escaping magnetic, electric, and RF fields. I think, quite some time ago, I read on either emfrefugee, or eSens, of someone who was very happy with the work a company in Europe did on their laptop - they were quite sensitive, and were fine with the system after the modifications.
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> > Anyone know who/what I mean? Or are there any other people you might recommend, if the laptop route is the way to go?
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> > (I have looked at the really small web notebook type computers, but thebattery life seems crappy, and they may not be fast enough to do some of what I do - audio and photo work).
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Marc Martin
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> When I first called in, I talked with a techie who sent me to a hardware
> specialist who he said specialized in this type of problem. When I got
> the new guy I asked if he was at all familiar with my es problem and to
> my surprise he said that he helped a number of people in the past with it
> and that he was seeing the problem come up more frequently.

I'm impressed (and somewhat surprised) that Dell has technical support
to help with ES, although it looks like the tweaks that were suggested
were merely to reduce hard drive activity / energy usage / wireless
radio usage.

Marc

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evie15422
Hi, Marc,
 
Yes, you are right, Marc--all the fixes were designed to lessen what I reported having problems with.  The techs did know, however, that this was becoming an issue and told me so.  They were very concerned, in most instances  (I'd say of the 8 or so people I spoke to at least half of those expressed a personal concern--not that they reacted, but a concern that something was wrong and emfs were becoming too strong.  One expressed to meconcern due to fear of future personal reaction and loss of his job.)  Iwas really not prepared for that outpouring of support, since I got none calling Toshiba tech support and a local company they outsourced to!  (ThoI was gratefully happy to receive it!)  It totally sold me on Dell products! 

A couple of the techs reported surfing ES forums for info to understand howto help people with es who call in, and one asked which es/mcs support forums I liked.  It was apparent talking to them that they had more than acasual acquaintance with the concepts of emf sensitivity.  Again, I am guessing these are not the norm of Dell techs--these were techs which Dell sent me to specifically because I said up front I needed technical support for emf sensitivity.  But, that says alot about Dell, too.  I asked one of the techs how he became an "es expert" for Dell and he laughed and said that there is a list each tech fills out of specialized areas they are interested in learning and he just checked that box.  I think they got perks of one kind or another depending on how many boxes they could check.  It is then up to the tech to learn about es--Dell isn't teaching courses in this (or at least they weren't 3 years ago.)

Still a very good sign, I thought,
Diane
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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 4:44 PM








> When I first called in, I talked with a techie who sent me to a hardware
> specialist who he said specialized in this type of problem. When I got
> the new guy I asked if he was at all familiar with my es problem and to
> my surprise he said that he helped a number of people in the past with it
> and that he was seeing the problem come up more frequently.

I'm impressed (and somewhat surprised) that Dell has technical support
to help with ES, although it looks like the tweaks that were suggested
were merely to reduce hard drive activity / energy usage / wireless
radio usage.

Marc
















     

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Many thanks, Diane!

I've saved the text for future reference!

Cheers,

R.

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

>
> Hi again, Rticle,
>  
> When I first called in, I talked with a techie who sent me to a hardware specialist who he said specialized in this type of problem.  When I got the new guy I asked if he was at all familiar with my es problem and to my surprise he said that he helped a number of people in the past with it and that he was seeing the problem come up more frequently.  (He said at the time he was getting about one person/month with es from their computer.)  I did take it that he was THE ONLY tech specializing in this, as I could not call anyone else within Dell but him.  But still, I was ecstatic!  (1 es person/month, 3 years ago, world-wide for Dell was still probablya fairly small occurrence, but I was impressed!)
>  
> Well, the very first changes made were hardware changes.  First we wentinto "My Computer" and opened the device manager and shut off devices and then removed the battery, a wifi card, and a broadband card. (The summarized version)  The long version: we disabled the card devices--modems, network adaptors (except for broadcom 440x10/100), the battery devices, and then I removed the battery because I was having problems with it--Iuse my computer plugged to a/c but that is probably not something which you need to do--I have battery draining powers.  ;)  Long story, but mainly what you need to know is when the battery is charging, it caused me great problems es-wise.  The tech said he knew that sometimes the cards reverberate off of the battery.  Understand this was something we did beforeremoving the cards because I was reacting so badly.  I could have introduced the battery afterwards but just didn't because the battery didn't staycharged
> long enough for me personally and I reacted to it charging worse than having the computer plugged in itself.)  
>  
> The tech also walked me thru a checklist of changes in the hardware profiles (which I couldn't remember today--this was nearly 3 years ago and the likelihood of the changes being the same today as then is probably not good either).  We went into the bios and made changes there--again, I wouldn'twant to tell you what we did there, as it could mess up your computer if Iwas wrong.  You would want a techie to help you with that.
>  
> After this, I called back to the software department and the techs helpedme figure out which programs I needed or could do without.  We went systematically over every program--including component parts of programs.  Westriped as much as possible from the start up menu (down and uploading causes the hard-drive to work harder and that affects my es; loading programs is the same).  We put as many programs as possible into the "programslist", put items I used more often as "desktop icons" which I could accesseasily if needed, and set settings so that I was as much in control of everything as possible....  When I received the computer it had automatic download of everything!  Google kept popping up and downloading crap I didn't even want to know, etc....  I hated the new format for Explorer 7 and so they fixed it so it would not automatically download when I shut down mycomputer. (We had to remove it about 6 times before it worked.  There was
> also a glitch in Explorer 7 at the time I got my computer.  The Dell techs hated Explorer 7 as much as I did and so they were glad to help me keep Explorer 6!)  They looked at utilities that were not 100% necessary andremoved some of them.  They set up updates so that I manually had to download them, but there are some Windows updates that could not be totally manually controlled--they auto load if you do not load them manually within amonth.  (But even then, I can postpone loading them by checking a box that pops up, if I am busy on the computer.)  Most of these were individual preference type of changes made mostly in the "control panel".  There was a Dell systems checker they disabled and put in my "programs file"--Ican run it if I want but I never have.  I went into display and playedwith the resolution to see which setting worked best for me. 
>  
> Also, afterwards, they told me to play with the outlets I had things plugged into--it did make a difference.  The phone, computer, and dsl box were all on the same outlet initially--bad, apparently.  When I was able to move the computer to a room where I could set up the phone, puter, and dsl box all on separate outlets, I got less emfs.  They told me it works bestto have these all 6 to 8 feet apart and not near other electronics like the tv.  That is how I have my computer now.  Also, someone here at this forum--Stewart, I think--told me to try the plug in different directions tosee if that made any difference, and that did!  It made a huge difference and I was plugging the plug in upside-down almost every time (laptops arepolarized but not with a polarized plug, so I put a paint dot on the top of the plug so I could tell which direction to put it more easily). 
>  
> There was not much outgassing at all with my Dell.  (The most outgassing was actually with the battery I removed and the cds, etc, that came with the computer; not the laptop itself.) 
>  
> And as for what I told the Dell techs....  I just told them I got ill from certain emfs.  They asked what my symptoms were and what types of things I reacted to and I told them.  I also told them that I get (got) veryconfused after having the computer on awhile.  They began to recognise this symptom in me themselves and would ask if I could go on or needed to quit for awhile.  They told me how to call back later and get the person I was talking to and I'd hang up till I felt I could go on--somedays at first I needed a couple days to recover.  I sometimes just left the room and let them take over remotely--they couldn't always do this, however, as they needed to ask me questions. 
>  
> Oh, something else--they had to test periodically to see whether the systems were still ok with the changes made--they ran scans of various sorts.  At one point, I thought we were almost done and a test showed my computer was ready to crash!  The tech said that if it had, it was the kind of crash that would have likely ruined the hard-drive.  So at that point, everything had to be put back to square one and done over.  He literally deleted the entire operating system and I had to re-download it.  We lost about 2 weeks due to that.  
>  
> After this, I still had some problems, but I tried an optical (infra-red) mouse for several days.  I reacted terribly to it at the time, but oddly, after I returned the mouse to the store, I never reacted as bad to my computer again, until I detoxed too quickly in January of this year.  (I am now better again, tho.)
>  
> Sorry I cannot give you more in depth info--the program info depends on what is loaded on your computer, too.  You access the start menu from the "control panel"and go to "task menu/start menu".  You can there control what starts up when you turn on your computer.
>  
> Hope this helps,
> Diane 
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> --- On Tue, 4/7/09, rticleone <rticleone@...> wrote:
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> From: rticleone <rticleone@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 7:58 PM
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> Hey Diane,
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> Anything at all you can bring up would be great. As far as the techs helping you, what sorts of questions did you phrase to them which helped them decide how your laptop should be configured? Like, "I want this laptop to use the processor less, or emit less magnetic field..."?
>
> Cheers,
>
> R.
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Rticle,
> >  
> > Sorry I don't have time to send you anything tonight.  Will see what I can come up with tomorrow, tho.  You do realize, tho, that the Dell techs were the ones working on my laptop, for the most part?  I gave them access, by phone, to go into my computer and change things.  I had to make the hardware changes by them talking me thru it; and for some of the work, they gave me a list and told me to try various things while I was on my own.  I might not remember all the changes, but if you buy a new computer,they usually come with 30 days free support and you could get their expertise too.  I had a hardware tech from New Delhi--no kidding; he was great!  I had 5 software techs, all from the US, and they were all great too (Icould have just had 1, but I had to call in at various times and sometimesthe one I had talked to was not there.  Also, some techs specialized in various areas and so they sent me to another tech if they thought he had more
> > info in that area.)
> >  
> > Will see if I remember or have a record of all the changes.  I don't think I have a full record, tho.
> >  
> > Diane
> >
> > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, rticleone <rticleone@ ..> wrote:
> >
> > From: rticleone <rticleone@ ..>
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 4:12 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Diane,
> >
> > I was speaking with someone last night; he said that he doesn't find Dell too bad - he may have also said that newer Dell stuff is made with healthier materials (he said Apple, for sure, and possibly Dell), so there's notall this horrible outgassing you get with most new electronics. ..I hate that smell!
> >
> > If you don't mind/are able to describe, what sorts of hardware tweaks did you make, if any, beyond removing the WiFi, etc.
> >
> > What did you eliminate from the startup processes? And the modem settings? I would hope I could use it with a cable internet connection (or, if I'm roughing it in the rural world, a telephone modem).
> >
> > Anyway, if you can provide some specifics, it would be super useful andappreciated, so I've got some idea of what I could work with in addition to shielding one. If I could get a really well set up laptop, I'd happily sell this big screen LCD and PC tower!
> >
> > Beyond all that, though, you didn't do any physical modifications to it, did you?
> >
> > Well, if anyone remembers who we're both thinking of that may have had a lap top worked on for them, it's appreciated if you can post it, or have any other suggestions!
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > R.
> >
> > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Rticle,
> > >  
> > > I have no info as to the person or laptop you are referring to, but Ido also remember someone--I think it has been in the past 6 months--who mentioned such a laptop.
> > >  
> > > I have a laptop that I was able to tweek into submission, of sorts.  I still have problems down and uploading and with sites with streaming video--I just avoid these (or leave the room during up and downloading) .  But my reactions to my laptop otherwise are minimal now on the whole.  (I ground myself after using it to discharge any energy I have taken onfrom it, but otherwise do not react badly unless I am detoxing alot.)  Iremoved the cards--broadband and wifi--and tweeked various hardware and software settings.  For instance, I had help to negate all start-up and close-down functions that could be bypassed safely.  And there are multiple modem settings that were changed. 
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> > > That said, initially I had a great deal of problems with the laptop and could only be in its presence about 45 mins before I was totally undone,mentally and physically.  I found it necessary to make an aluminum foil shield and hat to wear just to work on the thing! 
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> > > Good luck--hope it works out for you,
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> > > --- On Tue, 4/7/09, rticleone <rticleone@ ..> wrote:
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> > > Subject: [eSens] Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
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> > > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 10:48 AM
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> > > As I continue on trying to find a way to run a computer fully on 12V DC, I keep hitting blocks. The hardest one is trying to find an external monitor that can accept 12V DC power - the PC itself isn't an issue to find -either a laptop, or a mini, fanless system.
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> > > So, if I can't find a way around that, it might mean a laptop. Unfortunately, laptops, from what I've heard, can have pretty bad emissions. Better on battery, of course. Still, probably not that good, though, at the distance you use them at. I could help this by using an external keyboard and mouse, but the screen on a laptop is smaller, so I can't sit as far away from it.
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> > > So! - I need to know if anyone knows of anybody who can do a really good job of shielding a laptop, from escaping magnetic, electric, and RF fields. I think, quite some time ago, I read on either emfrefugee, or eSens, of someone who was very happy with the work a company in Europe did on theirlaptop - they were quite sensitive, and were fine with the system after the modifications.
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I find this kind of understanding from industry insiders fascinating, dare I say even a bit heartening, in the midst of so much BS. Maybe they will pave a great deal of the way for change, having first hand, corporate experience.

Oh - regarding Dell, someone told me recently to hold off on any new Dell products - they said the customer service recently went down the crapper, and now Mr. Dell, or whoever the head is, is trying to get the company back to its previously approved of state.

R.

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

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> Yes, you are right, Marc--all the fixes were designed to lessen what I reported having problems with.  The techs did know, however, that this was becoming an issue and told me so.  They were very concerned, in most instances  (I'd say of the 8 or so people I spoke to at least half of those expressed a personal concern--not that they reacted, but a concern that something was wrong and emfs were becoming too strong.  One expressed to me concern due to fear of future personal reaction and loss of his job.) I was really not prepared for that outpouring of support, since I got nonecalling Toshiba tech support and a local company they outsourced to!  (Tho I was gratefully happy to receive it!)  It totally sold me on Dell products! 
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> Still a very good sign, I thought,
> Diane
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
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Hmmm, interesting! 
 
I wonder if that had something to do with the Dell product that had to be recalled a year or so ago?  Do you remember that?  (It is a very faintmemory to me.  lol)  A couple techs also complained a little about the R& D department.  Said they sometimes put out products too quickly that should have more research behind them and a couple techs really hadblistering things to say about Microsoft--Microsoft doesn't share any access ahead of time with Dell techs, so that when their new products are released, the techs have no advanced knowledge of the problems and glitches in them.  And they said that Dell couldn't make their computers compatible with Microsoft products because of lack of knowledge about the changes and updates, etc.  (I got an earful!)
 
Diane

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I find this kind of understanding from industry insiders fascinating, dare I say even a bit heartening, in the midst of so much BS. Maybe they will pave a great deal of the way for change, having first hand, corporate experience.

Oh - regarding Dell, someone told me recently to hold off on any new Dell products - they said the customer service recently went down the crapper, and now Mr. Dell, or whoever the head is, is trying to get the company back to its previously approved of state.

R.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote:

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> Diane
> --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
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Hmmm, interesting! 
 
I wonder if that had something to do with the Dell product that had to be recalled a year or so ago?  Do you remember that?  (It is a very faintmemory to me.  lol)  A couple techs also complained a little about the R& D department.  Said they sometimes put out products too quickly that should have more research behind them and a couple techs really hadblistering things to say about Microsoft--Microsoft doesn't share any access ahead of time with Dell techs, so that when their new products are released, the techs have no advanced knowledge of the problems and glitches in them.  And they said that Dell couldn't make their computers compatible with Microsoft products because of lack of knowledge about the changes and updates, etc.  (I got an earful!)
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 4/8/09, rticleone <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Subject: [eSens] Re: Who can shield a laptop, really, really well?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 6:10 PM








I find this kind of understanding from industry insiders fascinating, dare I say even a bit heartening, in the midst of so much BS. Maybe they will pave a great deal of the way for change, having first hand, corporate experience.

Oh - regarding Dell, someone told me recently to hold off on any new Dell products - they said the customer service recently went down the crapper, and now Mr. Dell, or whoever the head is, is trying to get the company back to its previously approved of state.

R.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote:

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> Yes, you are right, Marc--all the fixes were designed to lessen what I reported having problems with.  The techs did know, however, that this was becoming an issue and told me so.  They were very concerned, in most instances  (I'd say of the 8 or so people I spoke to at least half of those expressed a personal concern--not that they reacted, but a concern that something was wrong and emfs were becoming too strong.  One expressed to me concern due to fear of future personal reaction and loss of his job.) I was really not prepared for that outpouring of support, since I got nonecalling Toshiba tech support and a local company they outsourced to!  (Tho I was gratefully happy to receive it!)  It totally sold me on Dell products! 
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In einer eMail vom 08.04.2009 01:59:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
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Hey Diane,

Anything at all you can bring up would be great. As far as the techs
helping you, what sorts of questions did you phrase to them which helped them
decide how your laptop should be configured? Like, "I want this laptop to use
the processor less, or emit less magnetic field..."?

Cheers,

R.



Just use an electrosmog neutralizing device an fix it to the laptop; this  
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Hi Diane I found this company a few weeks ago they chrage 300 to shield your laptop maybe you can even get them to reduce the price they also sell radiation free computers and laptops, I wish I could afford this right now, Id be very interested to hear from anyone who gets their laptops shielded from them.

http://www.safelevel.com/index.html

Cristian

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