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On February  5, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> so how is dirty air made?  by dirty electricity?  

I think "dirty air" would be something that is produced
by the electronics itself -- something that is created by the
fridge, PC, TV, DVD player, etc.  Even if you feed it
"clean" electricity.

Marc

We tried an ethernet  switch, but it wants to make new IP addresses, so
had  to get a router  to plug into the cable co's box.

Yes input is coax & output is Ethernet.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


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On February  5, Kathy Baumann <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Yes input is coax & output is Ethernet.

Ahh.  Bill Bruno recommended using a Linksys CM100.  Which I see
can be purchased for $20 on eBay.

Marc

On February  5, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> his website?  but then, i don't speak the languages...

One of the languages on Charles' educational website
is Engliish... :-)

Marc
 

Hi Patricia,

"Dirty air" is another way to describe electrosmog. Anything wireless
makes dirty air, but noisy electronics are the issue here being discussed.
Any collection of electronics that are poorly designed or engineered, do
"Leak" or emit electromagnetic noise, which is what we measure and hear
with RF Meters. Any computer processor running at a high frequency will
by it's very operation make noise. The only question of relevance, is
how much, and how strong. ie. is it tolerable, and how much distance is
needed to keep away from it.

The Electrosmog meters, Cornet, Acoustimeter, etc., measure and convert
to sound the dirty air, so we can measure which electronics and
equipment are Noisy and Undesirable, or Intolerable.

The only ways to "filter the air" is by shielding, reflecting, and
absorbing the energy in the air. I wouldn't equate shielding to
filtering. Not the same thing really.

Don't forget I have one page myself, devoted to measuring electronics in
my attempts to find or make a quieter computer. Just changing the
processor speed, or changing the power supply, or any component inside
the box, can and does change the noise levels.
http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs2.html

Stewart


Patricia Robinett wrote:
> so how is dirty air made?  by dirty electricity?  
> if a filter collects the electricity
>
>  

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http://seahorseCorral.org

Hello Stewart,

The Electrosmog meters, Cornet, Acoustimeter, etc., are NOT capable to measure what I call *dirty air*, because they cannot measure from 5kHz to 30MHz, and they lack the antennas for it.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
  From: S Andreason
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 3:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] THINK NEED TO BUY NEW PERSONAL COMPUTER - ANYTHING TO WATCH OUT FOR?


  Hi Patricia,

  "Dirty air" is another way to describe electrosmog. Anything wireless
  makes dirty air, but noisy electronics are the issue here being discussed.
  Any collection of electronics that are poorly designed or engineered, do
  "Leak" or emit electromagnetic noise, which is what we measure and hear
  with RF Meters. Any computer processor running at a high frequency will
  by it's very operation make noise. The only question of relevance, is
  how much, and how strong. ie. is it tolerable, and how much distance is
  needed to keep away from it.

  The Electrosmog meters, Cornet, Acoustimeter, etc., measure and convert
  to sound the dirty air, so we can measure which electronics and
  equipment are Noisy and Undesirable, or Intolerable.

  The only ways to "filter the air" is by shielding, reflecting, and
  absorbing the energy in the air. I wouldn't equate shielding to
  filtering. Not the same thing really.

  Don't forget I have one page myself, devoted to measuring electronics in
  my attempts to find or make a quieter computer. Just changing the
  processor speed, or changing the power supply, or any component inside
  the box, can and does change the noise levels.
  http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs2.html

  Stewart


  Patricia Robinett wrote:
  > so how is dirty air made?  by dirty electricity?  
  > if a filter collects the electricity
  >
  >  

  --
  http://seahorseCorral.org




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thanks, stewart.  
by 'noise' i am assuming you mean the amount
of dirty electricity being generated.  
and dirty electricity is what is output by cell phones
and towers and electrical devices... and there's
no real getting away from it?
patricia

On Feb 5, 2013, at 6:14 PM, S Andreason wrote:

they specified a tech spec re RAM processor and memory and I didn't have enough RAM or a powerful enough processor - they wanted 256MB RAM and I only have 224 MB [i know I can upgrade that fairly easily] but re the processor they specified I would need 300MHz - mine is a celeron (R) CPU 2.93 GHz - and I wasn't sure whether it was powerful enough - my PC was bought in 2006 and I find of thought that it would be a good idea to upgrade now before they stop producing PCs and only produce tablets etc which seems to be the way things are going - if i'm wrong in thinking this please let me know - would save me a lot of time and money!!!
thanks
Steph


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 From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 20:49
Subject: Re: [eSens] THINK NEED TO BUY NEW PERSONAL COMPUTER - ANYTHING TO WATCH OUT FOR?
 

 
On February  5, Stephanie Smith [hidden email]> wrote:
> AS most of you already know I have no technical capability or knowledge whatsoever so I
> would be extremely grateful for any advice or information anyone could send my way.
> I am in the process of trying to get broadband at home and have checked my pc's spec
> against the technical spec of the provider I am looking at

Why would a broadband provider care about what kind of PC you have?
Seems like broadband should work with any PC manufactured
in the past 15 years!

Marc

 

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On February  7, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> they specified a tech spec re RAM processor and memory and I didn't have enough RAM or a powerful enough processor - they wanted 256MB RAM and I only have 224 MB [i know I can upgrade that fairly easily] but re the processor they specified I would need 300MHz - mine is a celeron (R) CPU 2.93 GHz - and I wasn't sure whether it was powerful enough - my PC was bought in 2006 and I find of thought that it would be a good idea to upgrade now before they stop producing PCs and only produce tablets etc which seems to be the way things are going - if i'm wrong in thinking this please let me know - would save me a lot of time and money!!!

Yes, I think you are wrong.  :-)

Like you said, you can easily upgrade the RAM.

Your 2.93 Ghz Celeron is 10 times faster than their minimum requirement of 300Mhz.

They are NOT going to stop making PCs.  At least, not for a long time.

If you want to upgrade your PC, that's fine, but I don't think the above reasons
are good reasons to do it.

Marc

On February  7, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> thanks, stewart.  
> by 'noise' i am assuming you mean the amount
> of dirty electricity being generated.  
> and dirty electricity is what is output by cell phones
> and towers and electrical devices... and there's
> no real getting away from it?

I don't think "dirty electricity" is the term to use when
referring to cell phone towers and cellphones.  Dirty
electricity is what is inside your power lines.  Cell
phone towers and cellphones emit EMF (or maybe
you could call it RF), but they do not emit "dirty
electricity".

Marc

Hi Patricia and Stewart

This reply of Stewart's was very illuminating for me at least - since it is likely my PC's processor that I react to 

Thanks

Steph


________________________________
 From: Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 9:57
Subject: Re: [eSens] THINK NEED TO BUY NEW PERSONAL COMPUTER - ANYTHING TO WATCH OUT FOR?
 

 
thanks, stewart.
by 'noise' i am assuming you mean the amount
of dirty electricity being generated.
and dirty electricity is what is output by cell phones
and towers and electrical devices... and there's
no real getting away from it?
patricia

On Feb 5, 2013, at 6:14 PM, S Andreason wrote:


 

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Hi Marc

Thanks for this! I am very glad to be wrong since it will save me money in this case!!! 

Like I said at the outset of this thread I am not in any way shape or form techy and I had no idea that my processor was good enough for this spec. So you are right Marc - not good enough reasons to upgrade - I  hear what you say re the fact that they are not going to stop making PCs but my feel is that PCs are going to soon go the way of analogue TVs and landlines - they will be obsolete by virtue of smartphones and tablets and the need for ever increasing connectedness and portability and because there will be no demand for a big clunky thing that takes up room manufacturers won't make them and those they do sell will be very pricey. Just my take - maybe you know differently and if so please let us know.

Having said all that I am still thinking about a new PC - altho it is a bit of russian roulette re whether something is ok in the shop and then I can't cope with it in my home environment.

THanks
Steph


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 From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 15:03
Subject: Re: [eSens] THINK NEED TO BUY NEW PERSONAL COMPUTER - ANYTHING TO WATCH OUT FOR?
 

 
On February  7, Stephanie Smith [hidden email]> wrote:
> they specified a tech spec re RAM processor and memory and I didn't have enough RAM or a powerful enough processor - they wanted 256MB RAM and I only have 224 MB [i know I can upgrade that fairly easily] but re the processor they specified I would need 300MHz - mine is a celeron (R) CPU 2.93 GHz - and I wasn't sure whether it was powerful enough - my PC was bought in 2006 and I find of thought that it would be a good idea to upgrade now before they stop producing PCs and only produce tablets etc which seems to be the way things are going - if i'm wrong in thinking this please let me know - would save me a lot of time and money!!!

Yes, I think you are wrong.  :-)

Like you said, you can easily upgrade the RAM.

Your 2.93 Ghz Celeron is 10 times faster than their minimum requirement of 300Mhz.

They are NOT going to stop making PCs.  At least, not for a long time.

If you want to upgrade your PC, that's fine, but I don't think the above reasons
are good reasons to do it.

Marc


 

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On February  7, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> but my feel is that PCs are going to soon go the way of analogue TVs and landlines -
> they will be obsolete by virtue of smartphones and tablets

Certainly a lot of consumers can get by with tablets and smart phones instead
of a laptop or desktop PC, however, most businesses still use PCs, and there
are no plans to change that.  Also, people who develop software, websites, etc.
 are not going to do that on a tablet or smartphone.  Plus, most of the Internet
is hosted on PCs.  So PCs are here to stay (although I agree that consumer
sales will fall off)

Marc

On February  7, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Patricia and Stewart
> This reply of Stewart's was very illuminating for me at least - since it is likely my PC's processor that I react to 

With computers, I've long suspected that it is the video card and/or the video signal being
fed to the monitor that is the main problem.  I say that because I can observe a huge
difference in symptoms with different video refresh rates & resolution, even though the
PC and monitor remain otherwise the same.

Also, the monitor LCD backlight setting makes a big difference.  

I have never found any compelling evidence to suspect the PC's CPU as being a major
contributor to my symptoms.

Marc

Hi Patricia,

Too many definitions to keep track of...
Charles also corrected me on "dirty air", I concede.

Marc has it right. Dirty electricity is only for the unwanted noise on
the AC wiring, on the power lines.

RF is a very broad term, for all radio frequencies.

For unwanted noise in the air, let's stick to Electrosmog and/or EMR
(Electro Magnetic Radiation)

Get away from it? It is getting harder to do so, as those who have
sought out quiet corners of our respective countries have found out.
Even the dead zones here have shrunk to only a few deep valleys.

I can't predict how long the dead zones will last, with all the spectrum
being auctioned off, and all the "Broadband for all rural areas" being
pushed. But for now they do still exist.


>> thanks, stewart.  
>> by 'noise' i am assuming you mean the amount
>> of dirty electricity being generated.  
>> and dirty electricity is what is output by cell phones
>> and towers and electrical devices... and there's
>> no real getting away from it?
>>    

Marc Martin wrote:

> I don't think "dirty electricity" is the term to use when
> referring to cell phone towers and cellphones.  Dirty
> electricity is what is inside your power lines.  Cell
> phone towers and cellphones emit EMF (or maybe
> you could call it RF), but they do not emit "dirty
> electricity".
>
>  

> On February  7, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>> Hi Patricia and Stewart
>> This reply of Stewart's was very illuminating for me at least - since it is likely my PC's processor that I react to
>>    
>
> With computers, I've long suspected that it is the video card and/or the video signal being
> fed to the monitor that is the main problem.
>  

Having fiddled with both; my processors, and several video cards, I say
they both are main problems.


> I have never found any compelling evidence to suspect the PC's CPU as being a major
> contributor to my symptoms.
>  
Compelling Evidence? Not even mine?
Same motherboard, same processor, same power supply, running same
program, I have photographed and measured with the same meter and
antenna in the same position next to the chip... and got results from
0.18 V/m to 0.87 V/m (0.085 - 2.002 mW/m2) (near field).
I have swapped out multiple processors, video cards, power supplies, and
changed the processor's multiply rate and clock speed, and found it
makes a drastic difference. Even going into the BIOS settings, and
turning off Spread Spectrum makes a noticeable difference.

Also graphics cards are "hit and miss".  When I found a particular
Nvidia chipset I liked, I tried 3 different manufacturers
implementations of it, and all 3 were different, none were tolerable.
Most newer GPU cards are so noisy, I have stopped trying to see if I can
upgrade.

I admit I never got those tests photographed and measured enough to add
to my page...Too much work when your head hurts.

Just what would be compelling evidence?

Stewart

http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs2.html

On February  8, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I have never found any compelling evidence to suspect the PC's CPU as being a major
> > contributor to my symptoms.

Oh, sorry, I didn't mean this "in general", but rather in my own
limited experiences with my own PC equipment.  Unlike you,
I have NOT experimented to the degree of swapping out CPUs!

Marc

Hi,

Is 'dirty electricity", that which is found in the power lines, the worst? Is it the most addictive, compared to the others?

Cheryl  

--- On Fri, 2/8/13, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: S Andreason <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] THINK NEED TO BUY NEW PERSONAL COMPUTER - ANYTHING TO WATCH OUT FOR?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 8, 2013, 7:41 AM
















 



 


   
     
     
      Hi Patricia,



Too many definitions to keep track of...

Charles also corrected me on "dirty air", I concede.



Marc has it right. Dirty electricity is only for the unwanted noise on

the AC wiring, on the power lines.



RF is a very broad term, for all radio frequencies.



For unwanted noise in the air, let's stick to Electrosmog and/or EMR

(Electro Magnetic Radiation)



Get away from it? It is getting harder to do so, as those who have

sought out quiet corners of our respective countries have found out.

Even the dead zones here have shrunk to only a few deep valleys.



I can't predict how long the dead zones will last, with all the spectrum

being auctioned off, and all the "Broadband for all rural areas" being

pushed. But for now they do still exist.



>> thanks, stewart.  

>> by 'noise' i am assuming you mean the amount

>> of dirty electricity being generated.  

>> and dirty electricity is what is output by cell phones

>> and towers and electrical devices... and there's

>> no real getting away from it?

>>    



Marc Martin wrote:



> I don't think "dirty electricity" is the term to use when

> referring to cell phone towers and cellphones.  Dirty

> electricity is what is inside your power lines.  Cell

> phone towers and cellphones emit EMF (or maybe

> you could call it RF), but they do not emit "dirty

> electricity".

>

>  



> On February  7, Stephanie Smith [hidden email]> wrote:

>  

>> Hi Patricia and Stewart

>> This reply of Stewart's was very illuminating for me at least - since it is likely my PC's processor that I react to

>>    

>

> With computers, I've long suspected that it is the video card and/or the video signal being

> fed to the monitor that is the main problem.

>  



Having fiddled with both; my processors, and several video cards, I say

they both are main problems.



> I have never found any compelling evidence to suspect the PC's CPU as being a major

> contributor to my symptoms.

>  

Compelling Evidence? Not even mine?

Same motherboard, same processor, same power supply, running same

program, I have photographed and measured with the same meter and

antenna in the same position next to the chip... and got results from

0.18 V/m to 0.87 V/m (0.085 - 2.002 mW/m2) (near field).

I have swapped out multiple processors, video cards, power supplies, and

changed the processor's multiply rate and clock speed, and found it

makes a drastic difference. Even going into the BIOS settings, and

turning off Spread Spectrum makes a noticeable difference.



Also graphics cards are "hit and miss".  When I found a particular

Nvidia chipset I liked, I tried 3 different manufacturers

implementations of it, and all 3 were different, none were tolerable.

Most newer GPU cards are so noisy, I have stopped trying to see if I can

upgrade.



I admit I never got those tests photographed and measured enough to add

to my page...Too much work when your head hurts.



Just what would be compelling evidence?



Stewart



http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs2.html





   
     

   
   






 










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On February  8, Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Is 'dirty electricity", that which is found in the power lines, the worst? Is it the most addictive, compared to the others?

It depends on the person... I think some people have a harder time
with wi-fi, smart meters, etc.

Not sure what you mean by "addictive", when it comes to power line noise... :-)

Marc

Hi Marc,

When I moved away from a power tower very close to my home my body had severe reactions to the move in many ways. Some were good - such as a cooling process. Others were not good, such as severe discomfort, anxiety and hyperactive thyroid returning for 3 months immediately after the move. The severe discomfort and anxiety were relieved as soon as I returned to the old house to maintain it as I not not as yet sold it.

For all practical purposes it appeared that my body was indeed going through some sort of withdrawal symptoms. I lived near the power tower for 30 years and my best guess would be that my body somehow adjusted to it, just like a body would adjust to use of drugs.Hence an addiction had occurred. I researched EMF addiction after this happened to me and there seems to be ample evidence that the body can become physiologically addicted to EMF.according to what I read.

What is your viewpoint on this? Has anybody else here experienced anything similar to this?. 

Cheryl

--- On Fri, 2/8/13, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] THINK NEED TO BUY NEW PERSONAL COMPUTER - ANYTHING TO WATCH OUT FOR?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, February 8, 2013, 10:48 PM
















 



 


   
     
     
      On February  8, Cheryl Griffing [hidden email]> wrote:

> Is 'dirty electricity", that which is found in the power lines, the worst? Is it the most addictive, compared to the others?



It depends on the person... I think some people have a harder time

with wi-fi, smart meters, etc.



Not sure what you mean by "addictive", when it comes to power line noise... :-)



Marc



   
     

   
   






 










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Brain entrainment.The frequencies entrain the brain. Lizzie
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From: [hidden email]
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2013 22:48:32 -0800
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      On February  8, Cheryl Griffing [hidden email]> wrote:

> Is 'dirty electricity", that which is found in the power lines, the worst? Is it the most addictive, compared to the others?



It depends on the person... I think some people have a harder time

with wi-fi, smart meters, etc.



Not sure what you mean by "addictive", when it comes to power line noise... :-)



Marc



   
     

   
   






       

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