VLF

> Hello gang,
>
> I am a little disturbed.
> I am testing a new prototype meter which measures signals from 5 kHz to 30
> kHz and from 30 kHz to 150 kHz.
> All other signals are filtered out.
> One can even measure the HAARP signals.
>
> So I am playing around a little bit, found a lot of radiation from my
> television, even when the DC is shut off completely.
>
> My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in the
> neighbourhoud of my computer.
> As you can see (on the pictures on my website), I have taken some
> precautions, and I can sit all day in front of my computer, and those are
> very long days.
> Even at our table, some 4 meters away she had complaints.
>
> Our phone with cord (and batteries) is placed in the vicinity of the
> computer.
> Listening to those signals with this new meter showed something strange.
> After a few seconds the signal changed to another oner, and after another
> few seconds it changed back.
> I don not yet know why this occurs, but I changed this phone for
> another one
> (with a AC/DC adapter) I had laying around.
> The hearing of this one is not as good as the former one, but the signal
> does not come through so sharp.
>
> I placed the sounds on my website
> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
>
> The strange thing is, that from this moment on, my wife does not have her
> complaints.
> She can sit on front of my computer, does not have troubles while phoning
> and sitting on our table within 4 meters, shw does not complain any more.
>
> In order to detect the signals I had to hold the probe on a certain
> spot on
> the phone.
>
> So, such a weak VLF signal, of around 30 kHz, with about 100 V/m
> strengh may
> give electrosensible persons trouble.
>
> So, I am a little disturbed by those circumstances.
> But I am probing on.
> A few months ago, we did not have this trouble, so somebody must have
> added
> those signals on our telephone lines.
> I checked with neighbours, but could not find those signals. Just sharp
> blips.
>
> Perhaps it is some trigger signal for automatic eavesdroppers.
>
> Anyway, phones with cord can be dangerous also.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
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> Hi Charles,
>
> Thats great info.. keep going :-) Where can I get one of those
> meters? :-)
>
> " My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in the
> neighbourhoud of my computer."
>
> My wife has had the same problem for years now. However, interestingly
> tonight, she took a few grains of sea salt with a bit of water after
> using the computer fro an hour and feeling quite sick, and the symptoms
> went away almost immediately!!
>
> She was very excited, and came and told me about it.. She usually gets
> giddy and sick after 10-20 mins on the computer, even with and LCD
> screen. She has Coeliac and Chemical sensitivities as well..
>
> We will try it again to see if it was coincidental. My mother cured her
> constant migrains by putting salt on her food after years of not doing

>
> Wonder what the salt connection is .. I know I feel much better after a
> swim in the sea..
>
> Cheers
> Pete
>
> Charles wrote:
>
> > Hello gang,
> >
> > I am a little disturbed.
> > I am testing a new prototype meter which measures signals from 5 kHz to

> > kHz and from 30 kHz to 150 kHz.
> > All other signals are filtered out.
> > One can even measure the HAARP signals.
> >
> > So I am playing around a little bit, found a lot of radiation from my
> > television, even when the DC is shut off completely.
> >
> > My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in the
> > neighbourhoud of my computer.
> > As you can see (on the pictures on my website), I have taken some
> > precautions, and I can sit all day in front of my computer, and those

> > few seconds it changed back.
> > I don not yet know why this occurs, but I changed this phone for
> > another one
> > (with a AC/DC adapter) I had laying around.
> > The hearing of this one is not as good as the former one, but the signal
> > does not come through so sharp.
> >
> > I placed the sounds on my website
> > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
> >
> > The strange thing is, that from this moment on, my wife does not have

> >
> > In order to detect the signals I had to hold the probe on a certain
> > spot on
> > the phone.
> >
> > So, such a weak VLF signal, of around 30 kHz, with about 100 V/m
> > strengh may
> > give electrosensible persons trouble.
> >
> > So, I am a little disturbed by those circumstances.
> > But I am probing on.
> > A few months ago, we did not have this trouble, so somebody must have
> > added
> > those signals on our telephone lines.
> > I checked with neighbours, but could not find those signals. Just sharp
> > blips.
> >
> > Perhaps it is some trigger signal for automatic eavesdroppers.
> >
> > Anyway, phones with cord can be dangerous also.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
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> Hello Pete,
>
> this HAARP Detektor will be available shortly by PSE Priggen.
> www.priggen.de.vu
>
> Mine was a prototype, just for testing, but I want to have it for myself.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "xmanflash2001" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 19:30
> Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>
>
> > Hi Charles,
> >
> > Thats great info.. keep going :-) Where can I get one of those
> > meters? :-)
> >
> > " My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in the
> > neighbourhoud of my computer."
> >
> > My wife has had the same problem for years now. However, interestingly
> > tonight, she took a few grains of sea salt with a bit of water after
> > using the computer fro an hour and feeling quite sick, and the symptoms
> > went away almost immediately!!
> >
> > She was very excited, and came and told me about it.. She usually gets
> > giddy and sick after 10-20 mins on the computer, even with and LCD
> > screen. She has Coeliac and Chemical sensitivities as well..
> >
> > We will try it again to see if it was coincidental. My mother cured her
> > constant migrains by putting salt on her food after years of not doing
> that.
> >
> > Wonder what the salt connection is .. I know I feel much better after a
> > swim in the sea..
> >
> > Cheers
> > Pete
> >
> > Charles wrote:
> >
> > > Hello gang,
> > >
> > > I am a little disturbed.
> > > I am testing a new prototype meter which measures signals from 5
> kHz to
> 30
> > > kHz and from 30 kHz to 150 kHz.
> > > All other signals are filtered out.
> > > One can even measure the HAARP signals.
> > >
> > > So I am playing around a little bit, found a lot of radiation from my
> > > television, even when the DC is shut off completely.
> > >
> > > My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in the
> > > neighbourhoud of my computer.
> > > As you can see (on the pictures on my website), I have taken some
> > > precautions, and I can sit all day in front of my computer, and those
> are
> > > very long days.
> > > Even at our table, some 4 meters away she had complaints.
> > >
> > > Our phone with cord (and batteries) is placed in the vicinity of the
> > > computer.
> > > Listening to those signals with this new meter showed something
> strange.
> > > After a few seconds the signal changed to another oner, and after
> another
> > > few seconds it changed back.
> > > I don not yet know why this occurs, but I changed this phone for
> > > another one
> > > (with a AC/DC adapter) I had laying around.
> > > The hearing of this one is not as good as the former one, but the
> signal
> > > does not come through so sharp.
> > >
> > > I placed the sounds on my website
> > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
> > >
> > > The strange thing is, that from this moment on, my wife does not have
> her
> > > complaints.
> > > She can sit on front of my computer, does not have troubles while
> phoning
> > > and sitting on our table within 4 meters, shw does not complain any
> more.
> > >
> > > In order to detect the signals I had to hold the probe on a certain
> > > spot on
> > > the phone.
> > >
> > > So, such a weak VLF signal, of around 30 kHz, with about 100 V/m
> > > strengh may
> > > give electrosensible persons trouble.
> > >
> > > So, I am a little disturbed by those circumstances.
> > > But I am probing on.
> > > A few months ago, we did not have this trouble, so somebody must have
> > > added
> > > those signals on our telephone lines.
> > > I checked with neighbours, but could not find those signals. Just
> sharp
> > > blips.
> > >
> > > Perhaps it is some trigger signal for automatic eavesdroppers.
> > >
> > > Anyway, phones with cord can be dangerous also.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton Antivirus
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> Hello Pete,
>
> this HAARP Detektor will be available shortly by PSE Priggen.
> www.priggen.de.vu
>
> Mine was a prototype, just for testing, but I want to have it for myself.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "xmanflash2001" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 19:30
> Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>
>
> > Hi Charles,
> >
> > Thats great info.. keep going :-) Where can I get one of those
> > meters? :-)
> >
> > " My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in the
> > neighbourhoud of my computer."
> >
> > My wife has had the same problem for years now. However, interestingly
> > tonight, she took a few grains of sea salt with a bit of water after
> > using the computer fro an hour and feeling quite sick, and the symptoms
> > went away almost immediately!!
> >
> > She was very excited, and came and told me about it.. She usually gets
> > giddy and sick after 10-20 mins on the computer, even with and LCD
> > screen. She has Coeliac and Chemical sensitivities as well..
> >
> > We will try it again to see if it was coincidental. My mother cured her
> > constant migrains by putting salt on her food after years of not doing
> that.
> >
> > Wonder what the salt connection is .. I know I feel much better after a
> > swim in the sea..
> >
> > Cheers
> > Pete
> >
> > Charles wrote:
> >
> > > Hello gang,
> > >
> > > I am a little disturbed.
> > > I am testing a new prototype meter which measures signals from 5
> kHz to
> 30
> > > kHz and from 30 kHz to 150 kHz.
> > > All other signals are filtered out.
> > > One can even measure the HAARP signals.
> > >
> > > So I am playing around a little bit, found a lot of radiation from my
> > > television, even when the DC is shut off completely.
> > >
> > > My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in the
> > > neighbourhoud of my computer.
> > > As you can see (on the pictures on my website), I have taken some
> > > precautions, and I can sit all day in front of my computer, and those
> are
> > > very long days.
> > > Even at our table, some 4 meters away she had complaints.
> > >
> > > Our phone with cord (and batteries) is placed in the vicinity of the
> > > computer.
> > > Listening to those signals with this new meter showed something
> strange.
> > > After a few seconds the signal changed to another oner, and after
> another
> > > few seconds it changed back.
> > > I don not yet know why this occurs, but I changed this phone for
> > > another one
> > > (with a AC/DC adapter) I had laying around.
> > > The hearing of this one is not as good as the former one, but the
> signal
> > > does not come through so sharp.
> > >
> > > I placed the sounds on my website
> > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
> > >
> > > The strange thing is, that from this moment on, my wife does not have
> her
> > > complaints.
> > > She can sit on front of my computer, does not have troubles while
> phoning
> > > and sitting on our table within 4 meters, shw does not complain any
> more.
> > >
> > > In order to detect the signals I had to hold the probe on a certain
> > > spot on
> > > the phone.
> > >
> > > So, such a weak VLF signal, of around 30 kHz, with about 100 V/m
> > > strengh may
> > > give electrosensible persons trouble.
> > >
> > > So, I am a little disturbed by those circumstances.
> > > But I am probing on.
> > > A few months ago, we did not have this trouble, so somebody must have
> > > added
> > > those signals on our telephone lines.
> > > I checked with neighbours, but could not find those signals. Just
> sharp
> > > blips.
> > >
> > > Perhaps it is some trigger signal for automatic eavesdroppers.
> > >
> > > Anyway, phones with cord can be dangerous also.
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton Antivirus
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> happen. Otherwise, it's a bank loan and a big financial risk instead.
>
> Lachlan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xmanflash2001 [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2004 6:05 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>
> Excellent, thanks - I look forward to seeing this produced..
>
> It would be great to get together and do a collaborative effort to build
> a chart containing all the general frequencies in households, and
> whether they may be harmful or not..
>
> Maybe even a database of products with a 'Safe Distance' rating for the
> general public.. Kind of like the general 'Efficiency' rating on
> household appliances..
>
> I am sure this would help those who are not ES to think abit more
> carefully about exposure, especially to children..
>
> Cheers
> Pete
>
> Charles wrote:
>
> > Hello Pete,
> >
> > this HAARP Detektor will be available shortly by PSE Priggen.
> > www.priggen.de.vu
> >
> > Mine was a prototype, just for testing, but I want to have it for

> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "xmanflash2001" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 19:30
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
> >
> >
> > > Hi Charles,
> > >
> > > Thats great info.. keep going :-) Where can I get one of those
> > > meters? :-)
> > >
> > > " My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in

> > > swim in the sea..
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Pete
> > >
> > > Charles wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello gang,
> > > >
> > > > I am a little disturbed.
> > > > I am testing a new prototype meter which measures signals from 5
> > kHz to
> > 30
> > > > kHz and from 30 kHz to 150 kHz.
> > > > All other signals are filtered out.
> > > > One can even measure the HAARP signals.
> > > >
> > > > So I am playing around a little bit, found a lot of radiation from

> > are
> > > > very long days.
> > > > Even at our table, some 4 meters away she had complaints.
> > > >
> > > > Our phone with cord (and batteries) is placed in the vicinity of the
> > > > computer.
> > > > Listening to those signals with this new meter showed something
> > strange.
> > > > After a few seconds the signal changed to another oner, and after
> > another
> > > > few seconds it changed back.
> > > > I don not yet know why this occurs, but I changed this phone for
> > > > another one
> > > > (with a AC/DC adapter) I had laying around.
> > > > The hearing of this one is not as good as the former one, but the
> > signal
> > > > does not come through so sharp.
> > > >
> > > > I placed the sounds on my website
> > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
> > > >
> > > > The strange thing is, that from this moment on, my wife does not

> > her
> > > > complaints.
> > > > She can sit on front of my computer, does not have troubles while
> > phoning
> > > > and sitting on our table within 4 meters, shw does not complain any
> > more.
> > > >
> > > > In order to detect the signals I had to hold the probe on a certain
> > > > spot on
> > > > the phone.
> > > >
> > > > So, such a weak VLF signal, of around 30 kHz, with about 100 V/m
> > > > strengh may
> > > > give electrosensible persons trouble.
> > > >
> > > > So, I am a little disturbed by those circumstances.
> > > > But I am probing on.
> > > > A few months ago, we did not have this trouble, so somebody must

> > > > added
> > > > those signals on our telephone lines.
> > > > I checked with neighbours, but could not find those signals. Just
> > sharp
> > > > blips.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps it is some trigger signal for automatic eavesdroppers.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, phones with cord can be dangerous also.
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > > checked by Norton Antivirus
> > > >
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> So Lachlan,
>
> you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment.
> Why?
> To what purpose?
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lachlan Mudge" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 08:36
> Subject: RE: [eSens] VLF
>
>
>
>>Pete
>>
>>What you are suggesting is exactly what I am proposing to do eventually,
>
> once I
>
>>can justify purchasing the spectrum analysis equipment. All we need is
>
> for
>
>>someone important with control over some government purse strings to
>
> realise
>
>>they have electrosensitivity and there might be a chance of getting this
>
> to
>
>>happen. Otherwise, it's a bank loan and a big financial risk instead.
>>
>>Lachlan
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: xmanflash2001 [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2004 6:05 PM
>>To: [hidden email]
>>Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>>
>>Excellent, thanks - I look forward to seeing this produced..
>>
>>It would be great to get together and do a collaborative effort to build
>>a chart containing all the general frequencies in households, and
>>whether they may be harmful or not..
>>
>>Maybe even a database of products with a 'Safe Distance' rating for the
>>general public.. Kind of like the general 'Efficiency' rating on
>>household appliances..
>>
>>I am sure this would help those who are not ES to think abit more
>>carefully about exposure, especially to children..
>>
>>Cheers
>>Pete
>>
>>Charles wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hello Pete,
>>>
>>>this HAARP Detektor will be available shortly by PSE Priggen.
>>>www.priggen.de.vu
>>>
>>>Mine was a prototype, just for testing, but I want to have it for
>
> myself.
>
>>>Greetings,
>>>Charles Claessens
>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>www.hetbitje.nl
>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "xmanflash2001" <[hidden email]>
>>>To: <[hidden email]>
>>>Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 19:30
>>>Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Charles,
>>>>
>>>>Thats great info.. keep going :-) Where can I get one of those
>>>>meters? :-)
>>>>
>>>>" My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in
>
> the
>
>>>>neighbourhoud of my computer."
>>>>
>>>>My wife has had the same problem for years now. However, interestingly
>>>>tonight, she took a few grains of sea salt with a bit of water after
>>>>using the computer fro an hour and feeling quite sick, and the
>
> symptoms
>
>>>>went away almost immediately!!
>>>>
>>>>She was very excited, and came and told me about it.. She usually gets
>>>>giddy and sick after 10-20 mins on the computer, even with and LCD
>>>>screen. She has Coeliac and Chemical sensitivities as well..
>>>>
>>>>We will try it again to see if it was coincidental. My mother cured
>
> her
>
>>>>constant migrains by putting salt on her food after years of not doing
>>>
>>>that.
>>>
>>>>Wonder what the salt connection is .. I know I feel much better after
>
> a
>
>>>>swim in the sea..
>>>>
>>>>Cheers
>>>>Pete
>>>>
>>>>Charles wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hello gang,
>>>>>
>>>>>I am a little disturbed.
>>>>>I am testing a new prototype meter which measures signals from 5
>>>
>>>kHz to
>>>30
>>>
>>>>>kHz and from 30 kHz to 150 kHz.
>>>>>All other signals are filtered out.
>>>>>One can even measure the HAARP signals.
>>>>>
>>>>>So I am playing around a little bit, found a lot of radiation from
>
> my
>
>>>>>television, even when the DC is shut off completely.
>>>>>
>>>>>My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in
>
> the
>
>>>>>neighbourhoud of my computer.
>>>>>As you can see (on the pictures on my website), I have taken some
>>>>>precautions, and I can sit all day in front of my computer, and
>
> those
>
>>>are
>>>
>>>>>very long days.
>>>>>Even at our table, some 4 meters away she had complaints.
>>>>>
>>>>>Our phone with cord (and batteries) is placed in the vicinity of the
>>>>>computer.
>>>>>Listening to those signals with this new meter showed something
>>>
>>>strange.
>>>
>>>>>After a few seconds the signal changed to another oner, and after
>>>
>>>another
>>>
>>>>>few seconds it changed back.
>>>>>I don not yet know why this occurs, but I changed this phone for
>>>>>another one
>>>>>(with a AC/DC adapter) I had laying around.
>>>>>The hearing of this one is not as good as the former one, but the
>>>
>>>signal
>>>
>>>>>does not come through so sharp.
>>>>>
>>>>>I placed the sounds on my website
>>>>>http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html
>>>>>
>>>>>The strange thing is, that from this moment on, my wife does not
>
> have
>
>>>her
>>>
>>>>>complaints.
>>>>>She can sit on front of my computer, does not have troubles while
>>>
>>>phoning
>>>
>>>>>and sitting on our table within 4 meters, shw does not complain any
>>>
>>>more.
>>>
>>>>>In order to detect the signals I had to hold the probe on a certain
>>>>>spot on
>>>>>the phone.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, such a weak VLF signal, of around 30 kHz, with about 100 V/m
>>>>>strengh may
>>>>>give electrosensible persons trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, I am a little disturbed by those circumstances.
>>>>>But I am probing on.
>>>>>A few months ago, we did not have this trouble, so somebody must
>
> have
>
>>>>>added
>>>>>those signals on our telephone lines.
>>>>>I checked with neighbours, but could not find those signals. Just
>>>
>>>sharp
>>>
>>>>>blips.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps it is some trigger signal for automatic eavesdroppers.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, phones with cord can be dangerous also.
>>>>>
>>>>>Greetings,
>>>>>Charles Claessens
>>>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>>>www.hetbitje.nl
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> as I see it, it's the only instrument (spectrum analysis equipment)
> worth using if you are supposed to do serious measurements.
> If you use a spectrum analyzer and an antenna of good quality you can
> tell exactly the amount of energy emanating from each source (cellular
> phone tower, DECT, FM-radio and so on).
> My dream is to get hold of professional instrumentation for the entire
> spectrum from DC to lets say at least 50GHz. I'm sure I will fulfill a
> part (DC-3GHz) of my dream during 2005!
>
> As for florescent light: has anyone on the list information of how much
> UV-light (and other frequencies related to Hg)that is emitted?
>
> Greetings Anders
>
> ------------
>
> Charles wrote:
> > So Lachlan,
> >
> > you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment.
> > Why?
> > To what purpose?
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >

> Hello Anders,
>
> of course spectrum analysis equipment is good equipment, but the costs are
> enormous.
>
> For a private person too high.
> And you must take into account, that those values are not precise.
> Officially, they calculate with a tolerance of + and - 3 dB.
> The meter, the antenna and the cables must be calculated as well, and they
> must be checked and calibrated periodically, which costs also.
>
> There are alternatives, which give about the same information.
> I have found that.
>
> Perhaps after 1 November, another alternative is on the market.
> We will see.
>
> Your dream about DC-3GHz will remain a dream.
> A spectrum analyzer will not measure anything about DC.
> There, one needs other measuring equipment, like a Feldmuehle for electrical
> DC or a magnetometer or a scintillationscounter for magnetic DC.
>
> For AC, I now have a meter, measuring from 5 kHz to 30 kHz and from 30 kHz
> to 150 kHz.
> Some sounds I have placed on the website under info.
>
> I was astounded how much signals my completely turned-off televisions set
> was still emitting.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:56
> Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>
>
>
>>Hi Charles,
>>
>>as I see it, it's the only instrument (spectrum analysis equipment)
>>worth using if you are supposed to do serious measurements.
>>If you use a spectrum analyzer and an antenna of good quality you can
>>tell exactly the amount of energy emanating from each source (cellular
>>phone tower, DECT, FM-radio and so on).
>>My dream is to get hold of professional instrumentation for the entire
>>spectrum from DC to lets say at least 50GHz. I'm sure I will fulfill a
>>part (DC-3GHz) of my dream during 2005!
>>
>>As for florescent light: has anyone on the list information of how much
>>UV-light (and other frequencies related to Hg)that is emitted?
>>
>>Greetings Anders
>>
>>------------
>>
>>Charles wrote:
>>
>>>So Lachlan,
>>>
>>>you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment.
>>>Why?
>>>To what purpose?
>>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>Charles Claessens
>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>www.hetbitje.nl
>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
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> Hi Charles,
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> of course I know that you can't get a spectrum from true DC, but perhaps
> 0.01Hz or so (I will probably cover the region 0.01Hz-250kHz with home
> made constructions).
>
> And to span 0.01Hz-3GHz will take probably 3-4 different instruments.
>
> Tolerance of +/- 3dB goes for cheap instruments in the range of
> 2000$-3000$ I guess.
>
> By the way, isn't HAARP active at about 4MHz, not 30kHz-150kHz?
>
> Greetings,
>
> Anders
>
> ----------
>
> Charles wrote:
> > Hello Anders,
> >
> > of course spectrum analysis equipment is good equipment, but the costs

> > must be checked and calibrated periodically, which costs also.
> >
> > There are alternatives, which give about the same information.
> > I have found that.
> >
> > Perhaps after 1 November, another alternative is on the market.
> > We will see.
> >
> > Your dream about DC-3GHz will remain a dream.
> > A spectrum analyzer will not measure anything about DC.
> > There, one needs other measuring equipment, like a Feldmuehle for

> > was still emitting.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:56
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi Charles,
> >>
> >>as I see it, it's the only instrument (spectrum analysis equipment)
> >>worth using if you are supposed to do serious measurements.
> >>If you use a spectrum analyzer and an antenna of good quality you can
> >>tell exactly the amount of energy emanating from each source (cellular
> >>phone tower, DECT, FM-radio and so on).
> >>My dream is to get hold of professional instrumentation for the entire
> >>spectrum from DC to lets say at least 50GHz. I'm sure I will fulfill a
> >>part (DC-3GHz) of my dream during 2005!
> >>
> >>As for florescent light: has anyone on the list information of how much
> >>UV-light (and other frequencies related to Hg)that is emitted?
> >>
> >>Greetings Anders
> >>
> >>------------
> >>
> >>Charles wrote:
> >>
> >>>So Lachlan,
> >>>
> >>>you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment.
> >>>Why?
> >>>To what purpose?
> >>>
> >>>Greetings,
> >>>Charles Claessens
> >>>member Verband Baubiologie
> >>>www.milieuziektes.nl
> >>>www.hetbitje.nl
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> Hello Anders,
>
> I wish you luck.
>
> The tolerance of +/- 3 dB goes also for the very expensive instruments.
>
> According to the manufacturer, this meter measures the HAARP signals.
> Therefore it is called *HAARP Detektor*.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:41
> Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>
>
>
>>Hi Charles,
>>
>>of course I know that you can't get a spectrum from true DC, but perhaps
>>0.01Hz or so (I will probably cover the region 0.01Hz-250kHz with home
>>made constructions).
>>
>>And to span 0.01Hz-3GHz will take probably 3-4 different instruments.
>>
>>Tolerance of +/- 3dB goes for cheap instruments in the range of
>>2000$-3000$ I guess.
>>
>>By the way, isn't HAARP active at about 4MHz, not 30kHz-150kHz?
>>
>>Greetings,
>>
>>Anders
>>
>>----------
>>
>>Charles wrote:
>>
>>>Hello Anders,
>>>
>>>of course spectrum analysis equipment is good equipment, but the costs
>
> are
>
>>>enormous.
>>>
>>>For a private person too high.
>>>And you must take into account, that those values are not precise.
>>>Officially, they calculate with a tolerance of + and - 3 dB.
>>>The meter, the antenna and the cables must be calculated as well, and
>
> they
>
>>>must be checked and calibrated periodically, which costs also.
>>>
>>>There are alternatives, which give about the same information.
>>>I have found that.
>>>
>>>Perhaps after 1 November, another alternative is on the market.
>>>We will see.
>>>
>>>Your dream about DC-3GHz will remain a dream.
>>>A spectrum analyzer will not measure anything about DC.
>>>There, one needs other measuring equipment, like a Feldmuehle for
>
> electrical
>
>>>DC or a magnetometer or a scintillationscounter for magnetic DC.
>>>
>>>For AC, I now have a meter, measuring from 5 kHz to 30 kHz and from 30
>
> kHz
>
>>>to 150 kHz.
>>>Some sounds I have placed on the website under info.
>>>
>>>I was astounded how much signals my completely turned-off televisions
>
> set
>
>>>was still emitting.
>>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>Charles Claessens
>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>www.hetbitje.nl
>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
>>>To: <[hidden email]>
>>>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:56
>>>Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Charles,
>>>>
>>>>as I see it, it's the only instrument (spectrum analysis equipment)
>>>>worth using if you are supposed to do serious measurements.
>>>>If you use a spectrum analyzer and an antenna of good quality you can
>>>>tell exactly the amount of energy emanating from each source (cellular
>>>>phone tower, DECT, FM-radio and so on).
>>>>My dream is to get hold of professional instrumentation for the entire
>>>>spectrum from DC to lets say at least 50GHz. I'm sure I will fulfill a
>>>>part (DC-3GHz) of my dream during 2005!
>>>>
>>>>As for florescent light: has anyone on the list information of how much
>>>>UV-light (and other frequencies related to Hg)that is emitted?
>>>>
>>>>Greetings Anders
>>>>
>>>>------------
>>>>
>>>>Charles wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So Lachlan,
>>>>>
>>>>>you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment.
>>>>>Why?
>>>>>To what purpose?
>>>>>
>>>>>Greetings,
>>>>>Charles Claessens
>>>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>>>www.hetbitje.nl
>>>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
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>
> of course spectrum analysis equipment is good equipment, but the costs are
> enormous.
>
> For a private person too high.
> And you must take into account, that those values are not precise.
> Officially, they calculate with a tolerance of + and - 3 dB.
> The meter, the antenna and the cables must be calculated as well, and they
> must be checked and calibrated periodically, which costs also.
>
> There are alternatives, which give about the same information.
> I have found that.
>
> Perhaps after 1 November, another alternative is on the market.
> We will see.
>
> Your dream about DC-3GHz will remain a dream.
> A spectrum analyzer will not measure anything about DC.
> There, one needs other measuring equipment, like a Feldmuehle for
> electrical
> DC or a magnetometer or a scintillationscounter for magnetic DC.
>
> For AC, I now have a meter, measuring from 5 kHz to 30 kHz and from 30 kHz
> to 150 kHz.
> Some sounds I have placed on the website under info.
>
> I was astounded how much signals my completely turned-off televisions set
> was still emitting.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:56
> Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>
>
> > Hi Charles,
> >
> > as I see it, it's the only instrument (spectrum analysis equipment)
> > worth using if you are supposed to do serious measurements.
> > If you use a spectrum analyzer and an antenna of good quality you can
> > tell exactly the amount of energy emanating from each source (cellular
> > phone tower, DECT, FM-radio and so on).
> > My dream is to get hold of professional instrumentation for the entire
> > spectrum from DC to lets say at least 50GHz. I'm sure I will fulfill a
> > part (DC-3GHz) of my dream during 2005!
> >
> > As for florescent light: has anyone on the list information of how much
> > UV-light (and other frequencies related to Hg)that is emitted?
> >
> > Greetings Anders
> >
> > ------------
> >
> > Charles wrote:
> > > So Lachlan,
> > >
> > > you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment.
> > > Why?
> > > To what purpose?
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Charles Claessens
> > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > > www.hetbitje.nl
> > > checked by Norton Antivirus
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> Hi Charles,
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> ------
> I was astounded how much signals my completely turned-off televisions
> set was still emitting.
> -----
>
> Is this off at the power switch, so no current, or do you mean in
> stand-by mode?
>
> Thanks
> Pete
>
>
> Charles wrote:
>
> > Hello Anders,
> >
> > of course spectrum analysis equipment is good equipment, but the costs

> > must be checked and calibrated periodically, which costs also.
> >
> > There are alternatives, which give about the same information.
> > I have found that.
> >
> > Perhaps after 1 November, another alternative is on the market.
> > We will see.
> >
> > Your dream about DC-3GHz will remain a dream.
> > A spectrum analyzer will not measure anything about DC.
> > There, one needs other measuring equipment, like a Feldmuehle for
> > electrical
> > DC or a magnetometer or a scintillationscounter for magnetic DC.
> >
> > For AC, I now have a meter, measuring from 5 kHz to 30 kHz and from 30

> > was still emitting.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:56
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
> >
> >
> > > Hi Charles,
> > >
> > > as I see it, it's the only instrument (spectrum analysis equipment)
> > > worth using if you are supposed to do serious measurements.
> > > If you use a spectrum analyzer and an antenna of good quality you can
> > > tell exactly the amount of energy emanating from each source (cellular
> > > phone tower, DECT, FM-radio and so on).
> > > My dream is to get hold of professional instrumentation for the entire
> > > spectrum from DC to lets say at least 50GHz. I'm sure I will fulfill a
> > > part (DC-3GHz) of my dream during 2005!
> > >
> > > As for florescent light: has anyone on the list information of how

> > > UV-light (and other frequencies related to Hg)that is emitted?
> > >
> > > Greetings Anders
> > >
> > > ------------
> > >
> > > Charles wrote:
> > > > So Lachlan,
> > > >
> > > > you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment.
> > > > Why?
> > > > To what purpose?
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > > Charles Claessens
> > > > member Verband Baubiologie
> > > > www.milieuziektes.nl
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> Hi Charles!
>
> Where can I get more info about this "HAARP Detector"?
>
> I checked the HAARP-projects main page and found out that HAARP can
> operate on frequencies between 2.8MHz and 10MHz.
>
> It must be secondary effects that you might be able to measure in the
> span 5kHz to 150kHz.
>
> As far as i get it HAARP isn't used on a daily base.
>
> Greetings
>
> Anders
> --------------
>
> Charles wrote:
>
> > Hello Anders,
> >
> > I wish you luck.
> >
> > The tolerance of +/- 3 dB goes also for the very expensive instruments.
> >
> > According to the manufacturer, this meter measures the HAARP signals.
> > Therefore it is called *HAARP Detektor*.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:41
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hi Charles,
> >>
> >>of course I know that you can't get a spectrum from true DC, but perhaps
> >>0.01Hz or so (I will probably cover the region 0.01Hz-250kHz with home
> >>made constructions).
> >>
> >>And to span 0.01Hz-3GHz will take probably 3-4 different instruments.
> >>
> >>Tolerance of +/- 3dB goes for cheap instruments in the range of
> >>2000$-3000$ I guess.
> >>
> >>By the way, isn't HAARP active at about 4MHz, not 30kHz-150kHz?
> >>
> >>Greetings,
> >>
> >>Anders
> >>
> >>----------
> >>
> >>Charles wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hello Anders,
> >>>
> >>>of course spectrum analysis equipment is good equipment, but the costs
> >
> > are
> >
> >>>enormous.
> >>>
> >>>For a private person too high.
> >>>And you must take into account, that those values are not precise.
> >>>Officially, they calculate with a tolerance of + and - 3 dB.
> >>>The meter, the antenna and the cables must be calculated as well, and
> >
> > they
> >
> >>>must be checked and calibrated periodically, which costs also.
> >>>
> >>>There are alternatives, which give about the same information.
> >>>I have found that.
> >>>
> >>>Perhaps after 1 November, another alternative is on the market.
> >>>We will see.
> >>>
> >>>Your dream about DC-3GHz will remain a dream.
> >>>A spectrum analyzer will not measure anything about DC.
> >>>There, one needs other measuring equipment, like a Feldmuehle for
> >
> > electrical
> >
> >>>DC or a magnetometer or a scintillationscounter for magnetic DC.
> >>>
> >>>For AC, I now have a meter, measuring from 5 kHz to 30 kHz and from 30
> >
> > kHz
> >
> >>>to 150 kHz.
> >>>Some sounds I have placed on the website under info.
> >>>
> >>>I was astounded how much signals my completely turned-off televisions
> >
> > set
> >
> >>>was still emitting.
> >>>
> >>>Greetings,
> >>>Charles Claessens
> >>>member Verband Baubiologie
> >>>www.milieuziektes.nl
> >>>www.hetbitje.nl
> >>>checked by Norton Antivirus
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
> >>>To: <[hidden email]>
> >>>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:56
> >>>Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hi Charles,
> >>>>
> >>>>as I see it, it's the only instrument (spectrum analysis equipment)
> >>>>worth using if you are supposed to do serious measurements.
> >>>>If you use a spectrum analyzer and an antenna of good quality you can
> >>>>tell exactly the amount of energy emanating from each source (cellular
> >>>>phone tower, DECT, FM-radio and so on).
> >>>>My dream is to get hold of professional instrumentation for the entire
> >>>>spectrum from DC to lets say at least 50GHz. I'm sure I will fulfill a
> >>>>part (DC-3GHz) of my dream during 2005!
> >>>>
> >>>>As for florescent light: has anyone on the list information of how

> >>>>UV-light (and other frequencies related to Hg)that is emitted?
> >>>>
> >>>>Greetings Anders
> >>>>
> >>>>------------
> >>>>
> >>>>Charles wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>So Lachlan,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment.
> >>>>>Why?
> >>>>>To what purpose?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Greetings,
> >>>>>Charles Claessens
> >>>>>member Verband Baubiologie
> >>>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
> >>>>>www.hetbitje.nl
> >>>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
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> Hello Pete,
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> completely off from any mains.
> So, it must be literally *dead*, but it seems that thereis life after
> *death*.
> o:))
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "xmanflash2001" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 15:44
> Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>
>
>
>>Hi Charles,
>>
>>------
>>I was astounded how much signals my completely turned-off televisions
>>set was still emitting.
>>-----
>>
>>Is this off at the power switch, so no current, or do you mean in
>>stand-by mode?
>>
>>Thanks
>>Pete
>>
>>
>>Charles wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hello Anders,
>>>
>>>of course spectrum analysis equipment is good equipment, but the costs
>
> are
>
>>>enormous.
>>>
>>>For a private person too high.
>>>And you must take into account, that those values are not precise.
>>>Officially, they calculate with a tolerance of + and - 3 dB.
>>>The meter, the antenna and the cables must be calculated as well, and
>
> they
>
>>>must be checked and calibrated periodically, which costs also.
>>>
>>>There are alternatives, which give about the same information.
>>>I have found that.
>>>
>>>Perhaps after 1 November, another alternative is on the market.
>>>We will see.
>>>
>>>Your dream about DC-3GHz will remain a dream.
>>>A spectrum analyzer will not measure anything about DC.
>>>There, one needs other measuring equipment, like a Feldmuehle for
>>>electrical
>>>DC or a magnetometer or a scintillationscounter for magnetic DC.
>>>
>>>For AC, I now have a meter, measuring from 5 kHz to 30 kHz and from 30
>
> kHz
>
>>>to 150 kHz.
>>>Some sounds I have placed on the website under info.
>>>
>>>I was astounded how much signals my completely turned-off televisions
>
> set
>
>>>was still emitting.
>>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>Charles Claessens
>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>www.hetbitje.nl
>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
>>>To: <[hidden email]>
>>>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:56
>>>Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Charles,
>>>>
>>>>as I see it, it's the only instrument (spectrum analysis equipment)
>>>>worth using if you are supposed to do serious measurements.
>>>>If you use a spectrum analyzer and an antenna of good quality you can
>>>>tell exactly the amount of energy emanating from each source (cellular
>>>>phone tower, DECT, FM-radio and so on).
>>>>My dream is to get hold of professional instrumentation for the entire
>>>>spectrum from DC to lets say at least 50GHz. I'm sure I will fulfill a
>>>>part (DC-3GHz) of my dream during 2005!
>>>>
>>>>As for florescent light: has anyone on the list information of how
>
> much
>
>>>>UV-light (and other frequencies related to Hg)that is emitted?
>>>>
>>>>Greetings Anders
>>>>
>>>>------------
>>>>
>>>>Charles wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>So Lachlan,
>>>>>
>>>>>you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment.
>>>>>Why?
>>>>>To what purpose?
>>>>>
>>>>>Greetings,
>>>>>Charles Claessens
>>>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>>>www.hetbitje.nl
>>>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
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> Hi Charles,
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> was the power cord and the antenna unplugged as well?
>
>
> Charles wrote:
> > Hello Pete,
> >
> > completely off from any mains.
> > So, it must be literally *dead*, but it seems that thereis life after
> > *death*.
> > o:))
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >

> Hello Anders,
>
> good question.
>
> The power cord was completely unplugged.
> But not the antenna (cable TV).
>
> I shall try that also later on.
> Could it be that only the antenna signals set this TV in motion?
>
> W'll see.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 18:34
> Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>
>
>
>>Hi Charles,
>>
>>was the power cord and the antenna unplugged as well?
>>
>>
>>Charles wrote:
>>
>>>Hello Pete,
>>>
>>>completely off from any mains.
>>>So, it must be literally *dead*, but it seems that thereis life after
>>>*death*.
>>>o:))
>>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>Charles Claessens
>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>www.hetbitje.nl
>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
>>>
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> Hello Anders,
>
> do not believe what they tell you.
> It seems, that HAARP can modify the weather and can cause earthquakes.
> For that, other frequencies must be used.
>
> For info look at: www.priggen.de.vu
> and under Umweltmessgeraete
> and Elektrische Gleichfelder.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 15:38
> Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>
>
>
>>Hi Charles!
>>
>>Where can I get more info about this "HAARP Detector"?
>>
>>I checked the HAARP-projects main page and found out that HAARP can
>>operate on frequencies between 2.8MHz and 10MHz.
>>
>>It must be secondary effects that you might be able to measure in the
>>span 5kHz to 150kHz.
>>
>>As far as i get it HAARP isn't used on a daily base.
>>
>>Greetings
>>
>>Anders
>>--------------
>>
>>Charles wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hello Anders,
>>>
>>>I wish you luck.
>>>
>>>The tolerance of +/- 3 dB goes also for the very expensive instruments.
>>>
>>>According to the manufacturer, this meter measures the HAARP signals.
>>>Therefore it is called *HAARP Detektor*.
>>>
>>>Greetings,
>>>Charles Claessens
>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>www.hetbitje.nl
>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
>>>To: <[hidden email]>
>>>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:41
>>>Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hi Charles,
>>>>
>>>>of course I know that you can't get a spectrum from true DC, but perhaps
>>>>0.01Hz or so (I will probably cover the region 0.01Hz-250kHz with home
>>>>made constructions).
>>>>
>>>>And to span 0.01Hz-3GHz will take probably 3-4 different instruments.
>>>>
>>>>Tolerance of +/- 3dB goes for cheap instruments in the range of
>>>>2000$-3000$ I guess.
>>>>
>>>>By the way, isn't HAARP active at about 4MHz, not 30kHz-150kHz?
>>>>
>>>>Greetings,
>>>>
>>>>Anders
>>>>
>>>>----------
>>>>
>>>>Charles wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hello Anders,
>>>>>
>>>>>of course spectrum analysis equipment is good equipment, but the costs
>>>
>>>are
>>>
>>>
>>>>>enormous.
>>>>>
>>>>>For a private person too high.
>>>>>And you must take into account, that those values are not precise.
>>>>>Officially, they calculate with a tolerance of + and - 3 dB.
>>>>>The meter, the antenna and the cables must be calculated as well, and
>>>
>>>they
>>>
>>>
>>>>>must be checked and calibrated periodically, which costs also.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are alternatives, which give about the same information.
>>>>>I have found that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps after 1 November, another alternative is on the market.
>>>>>We will see.
>>>>>
>>>>>Your dream about DC-3GHz will remain a dream.
>>>>>A spectrum analyzer will not measure anything about DC.
>>>>>There, one needs other measuring equipment, like a Feldmuehle for
>>>
>>>electrical
>>>
>>>
>>>>>DC or a magnetometer or a scintillationscounter for magnetic DC.
>>>>>
>>>>>For AC, I now have a meter, measuring from 5 kHz to 30 kHz and from 30
>>>
>>>kHz
>>>
>>>
>>>>>to 150 kHz.
>>>>>Some sounds I have placed on the website under info.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was astounded how much signals my completely turned-off televisions
>>>
>>>set
>>>
>>>
>>>>>was still emitting.
>>>>>
>>>>>Greetings,
>>>>>Charles Claessens
>>>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>>>www.hetbitje.nl
>>>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>To: <[hidden email]>
>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:56
>>>>>Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Charles,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>as I see it, it's the only instrument (spectrum analysis equipment)
>>>>>>worth using if you are supposed to do serious measurements.
>>>>>>If you use a spectrum analyzer and an antenna of good quality you can
>>>>>>tell exactly the amount of energy emanating from each source (cellular
>>>>>>phone tower, DECT, FM-radio and so on).
>>>>>>My dream is to get hold of professional instrumentation for the entire
>>>>>>spectrum from DC to lets say at least 50GHz. I'm sure I will fulfill a
>>>>>>part (DC-3GHz) of my dream during 2005!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As for florescent light: has anyone on the list information of how
>
> much
>
>>>>>>UV-light (and other frequencies related to Hg)that is emitted?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Greetings Anders
>>>>>>
>>>>>>------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Charles wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So Lachlan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment.
>>>>>>>Why?
>>>>>>>To what purpose?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Greetings,
>>>>>>>Charles Claessens
>>>>>>>member Verband Baubiologie
>>>>>>>www.milieuziektes.nl
>>>>>>>www.hetbitje.nl
>>>>>>>checked by Norton Antivirus
>>>>>>>
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> Hi Charles,
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> can you or any one else put up some evidence regarding HAARP and weather
> control (except from weired new-age sites, were someone is selling a
> book for good profit).
>
> I followed your suggested link, but I found nothing of interest.
>
> Charles wrote:
>
> > Hello Anders,
> >
> > do not believe what they tell you.
> > It seems, that HAARP can modify the weather and can cause earthquakes.
> > For that, other frequencies must be used.
> >
> > For info look at: www.priggen.de.vu
> > and under Umweltmessgeraete
> > and Elektrische Gleichfelder.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >