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I want to be able to measure the full spectrum of frequencies to be able to
offer people and researchers knowledge about their environment and also, as a long term research project, to try to identify frequencies or ranges of frequencies of most concern, to facilitate their avoidance for the sake of my own health and that of others. I am of the opinion that values relating to frequency are a lot more useful than those relating to Watts per square metre. -----Original Message----- From: Charles [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 6:41 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF So Lachlan, you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment. Why? To what purpose? Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lachlan Mudge" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 08:36 Subject: RE: [eSens] VLF > > Pete > > What you are suggesting is exactly what I am proposing to do eventually, once I > can justify purchasing the spectrum analysis equipment. All we need is for > someone important with control over some government purse strings to realise > they have electrosensitivity and there might be a chance of getting this to > happen. Otherwise, it's a bank loan and a big financial risk instead. > > Lachlan > > -----Original Message----- > From: xmanflash2001 [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2004 6:05 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF > > Excellent, thanks - I look forward to seeing this produced.. > > It would be great to get together and do a collaborative effort to build > a chart containing all the general frequencies in households, and > whether they may be harmful or not.. > > Maybe even a database of products with a 'Safe Distance' rating for the > general public.. Kind of like the general 'Efficiency' rating on > household appliances.. > > I am sure this would help those who are not ES to think abit more > carefully about exposure, especially to children.. > > Cheers > Pete > > Charles wrote: > > > Hello Pete, > > > > this HAARP Detektor will be available shortly by PSE Priggen. > > www.priggen.de.vu > > > > Mine was a prototype, just for testing, but I want to have it for > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "xmanflash2001" <[hidden email]> > > To: <[hidden email]> > > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 19:30 > > Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF > > > > > > > Hi Charles, > > > > > > Thats great info.. keep going :-) Where can I get one of those > > > meters? :-) > > > > > > " My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in > > > neighbourhoud of my computer." > > > > > > My wife has had the same problem for years now. However, interestingly > > > tonight, she took a few grains of sea salt with a bit of water after > > > using the computer fro an hour and feeling quite sick, and the symptoms > > > went away almost immediately!! > > > > > > She was very excited, and came and told me about it.. She usually gets > > > giddy and sick after 10-20 mins on the computer, even with and LCD > > > screen. She has Coeliac and Chemical sensitivities as well.. > > > > > > We will try it again to see if it was coincidental. My mother cured her > > > constant migrains by putting salt on her food after years of not doing > > that. > > > > > > Wonder what the salt connection is .. I know I feel much better after a > > > swim in the sea.. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Pete > > > > > > Charles wrote: > > > > > > > Hello gang, > > > > > > > > I am a little disturbed. > > > > I am testing a new prototype meter which measures signals from 5 > > kHz to > > 30 > > > > kHz and from 30 kHz to 150 kHz. > > > > All other signals are filtered out. > > > > One can even measure the HAARP signals. > > > > > > > > So I am playing around a little bit, found a lot of radiation from > > > > television, even when the DC is shut off completely. > > > > > > > > My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in the > > > > neighbourhoud of my computer. > > > > As you can see (on the pictures on my website), I have taken some > > > > precautions, and I can sit all day in front of my computer, and those > > are > > > > very long days. > > > > Even at our table, some 4 meters away she had complaints. > > > > > > > > Our phone with cord (and batteries) is placed in the vicinity of the > > > > computer. > > > > Listening to those signals with this new meter showed something > > strange. > > > > After a few seconds the signal changed to another oner, and after > > another > > > > few seconds it changed back. > > > > I don not yet know why this occurs, but I changed this phone for > > > > another one > > > > (with a AC/DC adapter) I had laying around. > > > > The hearing of this one is not as good as the former one, but the > > signal > > > > does not come through so sharp. > > > > > > > > I placed the sounds on my website > > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html > > > > > > > > The strange thing is, that from this moment on, my wife does not > > her > > > > complaints. > > > > She can sit on front of my computer, does not have troubles while > > phoning > > > > and sitting on our table within 4 meters, shw does not complain any > > more. > > > > > > > > In order to detect the signals I had to hold the probe on a certain > > > > spot on > > > > the phone. > > > > > > > > So, such a weak VLF signal, of around 30 kHz, with about 100 V/m > > > > strengh may > > > > give electrosensible persons trouble. > > > > > > > > So, I am a little disturbed by those circumstances. > > > > But I am probing on. > > > > A few months ago, we did not have this trouble, so somebody must > > > > added > > > > those signals on our telephone lines. > > > > I checked with neighbours, but could not find those signals. Just > > sharp > > > > blips. > > > > > > > > Perhaps it is some trigger signal for automatic eavesdroppers. > > > > > > > > Anyway, phones with cord can be dangerous also. > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Yahoo! Groups Sponsor* > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > click here > > > > > > > > phealth/S=1705062215:HM/EXP=1093882133/A=2319498/R=0/SIG=11thfntfp/*http://w > > ww.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185352&partid=5285298> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > *Yahoo! 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I had forgotton about HAARP. It probably is interfering with weather
patterns - I have been wondering about all the floods, typhoons etc that seem to be becoming increasingly frequent - thinking it must be due to global warming. Here is the 'Angels Don't Play this Haarp' website, FYI. http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37e2b75a60b2.htm Sarah -----Original Message----- From: Anders Eriksson [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 3:07 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF Hi Charles, can you or any one else put up some evidence regarding HAARP and weather control (except from weired new-age sites, were someone is selling a book for good profit). I followed your suggested link, but I found nothing of interest. Charles wrote: > Hello Anders, > > do not believe what they tell you. > It seems, that HAARP can modify the weather and can cause earthquakes. > For that, other frequencies must be used. > > For info look at: www.priggen.de.vu > and under Umweltmessgeraete > and Elektrische Gleichfelder. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 15:38 > Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF > > > >>Hi Charles! >> >>Where can I get more info about this "HAARP Detector"? >> >>I checked the HAARP-projects main page and found out that HAARP can >>operate on frequencies between 2.8MHz and 10MHz. >> >>It must be secondary effects that you might be able to measure in the >>span 5kHz to 150kHz. >> >>As far as i get it HAARP isn't used on a daily base. >> >>Greetings >> >>Anders >>-------------- >> >>Charles wrote: >> >> >>>Hello Anders, >>> >>>I wish you luck. >>> >>>The tolerance of +/- 3 dB goes also for the very expensive >>>instruments. >>> >>>According to the manufacturer, this meter measures the HAARP signals. >>>Therefore it is called *HAARP Detektor*. >>> >>>Greetings, >>>Charles Claessens >>>member Verband Baubiologie >>>www.milieuziektes.nl >>>www.hetbitje.nl >>>checked by Norton Antivirus >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> >>>To: <[hidden email]> >>>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:41 >>>Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi Charles, >>>> >>>>of course I know that you can't get a spectrum from true DC, but >>>>perhaps 0.01Hz or so (I will probably cover the region 0.01Hz-250kHz >>>>with home made constructions). >>>> >>>>And to span 0.01Hz-3GHz will take probably 3-4 different >>>>instruments. >>>> >>>>Tolerance of +/- 3dB goes for cheap instruments in the range of >>>>2000$-3000$ I guess. >>>> >>>>By the way, isn't HAARP active at about 4MHz, not 30kHz-150kHz? >>>> >>>>Greetings, >>>> >>>>Anders >>>> >>>>---------- >>>> >>>>Charles wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hello Anders, >>>>> >>>>>of course spectrum analysis equipment is good equipment, but the >>>>>costs >>> >>>are >>> >>> >>>>>enormous. >>>>> >>>>>For a private person too high. >>>>>And you must take into account, that those values are not precise. >>>>>Officially, they calculate with a tolerance of + and - 3 dB. The >>>>>meter, the antenna and the cables must be calculated as well, and >>> >>>they >>> >>> >>>>>must be checked and calibrated periodically, which costs also. >>>>> >>>>>There are alternatives, which give about the same information. I >>>>>have found that. >>>>> >>>>>Perhaps after 1 November, another alternative is on the market. We >>>>>will see. >>>>> >>>>>Your dream about DC-3GHz will remain a dream. >>>>>A spectrum analyzer will not measure anything about DC. There, one >>>>>needs other measuring equipment, like a Feldmuehle for >>> >>>electrical >>> >>> >>>>>DC or a magnetometer or a scintillationscounter for magnetic DC. >>>>> >>>>>For AC, I now have a meter, measuring from 5 kHz to 30 kHz and from >>>>>30 >>> >>>kHz >>> >>> >>>>>to 150 kHz. >>>>>Some sounds I have placed on the website under info. >>>>> >>>>>I was astounded how much signals my completely turned-off >>>>>televisions >>> >>>set >>> >>> >>>>>was still emitting. >>>>> >>>>>Greetings, >>>>>Charles Claessens >>>>>member Verband Baubiologie >>>>>www.milieuziektes.nl >>>>>www.hetbitje.nl >>>>>checked by Norton Antivirus >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> >>>>>To: <[hidden email]> >>>>>Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:56 >>>>>Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hi Charles, >>>>>> >>>>>>as I see it, it's the only instrument (spectrum analysis >>>>>>equipment) worth using if you are supposed to do serious >>>>>>measurements. If you use a spectrum analyzer and an antenna of >>>>>>good quality you can tell exactly the amount of energy emanating >>>>>>from each source (cellular phone tower, DECT, FM-radio and so on). >>>>>>My dream is to get hold of professional instrumentation for the >>>>>>entire spectrum from DC to lets say at least 50GHz. I'm sure I >>>>>>will fulfill a part (DC-3GHz) of my dream during 2005! >>>>>> >>>>>>As for florescent light: has anyone on the list information of how > > much > >>>>>>UV-light (and other frequencies related to Hg)that is emitted? >>>>>> >>>>>>Greetings Anders >>>>>> >>>>>>------------ >>>>>> >>>>>>Charles wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>So Lachlan, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment. Why? >>>>>>>To what purpose? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Greetings, >>>>>>>Charles Claessens >>>>>>>member Verband Baubiologie >>>>>>>www.milieuziektes.nl >>>>>>>www.hetbitje.nl >>>>>>>checked by Norton Antivirus >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Yahoo! Groups Links >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Hello,
my television set was completely off any mains electricity. The cable antenna was NOT connected. And still a lot of signals were coming out of the set. More in the 5-30 kHz range, than in the 30-150 kHz range. I must probe into that deeper. I found another thing. My wife still had some trouble in one area of our living room. However I could not measure anything significant. Outside on our terras, we have a satelllite dish (60 cm). We have read that around such a dish, a whirling of longitudinal waves may occur. I had read in another list, that they had found *some radiation* with a pendulum. Now, after I removed the dish, my wife did not have those complaints anymore. It is known, that metal surfaces, like a dish, may work like a secondary antenna, but that is mainly on the front of the surface (reflexion), not at the back, as I have had here. It is also known, that longitudinal waves may go through a cage of Farady, and a satellite dish may not be different. In some strange way, the logitudinal waves are bundeled and pass through the back of it into our living room. It was also strange, that my wife had complaints within a radius of 4 meters of our telephone with cord, the Umax. I found with the HAARP Detektor those strange VLF signals, as placed on my website, and after I installed another telephone with cord, a Profoon, the complaints were gone. And, Anders and Lachlan, I do not sell or loan my special measuring instrument, with which I am happily married for over 40 years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus |
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Can I just have her for a couple of weeks. Please send a photo
-----Original Message----- From: Charles [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Tuesday, 7 September 2004 5:12 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF Hello, my television set was completely off any mains electricity. The cable antenna was NOT connected. And still a lot of signals were coming out of the set. More in the 5-30 kHz range, than in the 30-150 kHz range. I must probe into that deeper. I found another thing. My wife still had some trouble in one area of our living room. However I could not measure anything significant. Outside on our terras, we have a satelllite dish (60 cm). We have read that around such a dish, a whirling of longitudinal waves may occur. I had read in another list, that they had found *some radiation* with a pendulum. Now, after I removed the dish, my wife did not have those complaints anymore. It is known, that metal surfaces, like a dish, may work like a secondary antenna, but that is mainly on the front of the surface (reflexion), not at the back, as I have had here. It is also known, that longitudinal waves may go through a cage of Farady, and a satellite dish may not be different. In some strange way, the logitudinal waves are bundeled and pass through the back of it into our living room. It was also strange, that my wife had complaints within a radius of 4 meters of our telephone with cord, the Umax. I found with the HAARP Detektor those strange VLF signals, as placed on my website, and after I installed another telephone with cord, a Profoon, the complaints were gone. And, Anders and Lachlan, I do not sell or loan my special measuring instrument, with which I am happily married for over 40 years. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Hello Lachlan,
you are quite right about that. Only, we have frequency and frequency. I mean, we have a highfrequency carrier, like the 900 MHz, or 1800 MHz, or the 2150 MHz or whatever. And we have the lowfrequency modulation of 16.7 Hz (TETRA), 100 Hz (DECT), 217 Hz (mobiles) 1733 Hz (base station) plus a numer of under- and upper waves. I do know an austrian building biologist, who uses a frequency generator with a hand electrode, and tries to find out at which of those modulation frequencies electrosensible people do react. It is the pulsrates that are the most devastating. But the other ones are no good either. And one person may react to a special frequency quite different than another person. So a general rule is hard to be found. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lachlan Mudge" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 01:43 Subject: RE: [eSens] VLF > > I want to be able to measure the full spectrum of frequencies to be able to > offer people and researchers knowledge about their environment and also, as a > long term research project, to try to identify frequencies or ranges of > frequencies of most concern, to facilitate their avoidance for the sake of my > own health and that of others. I am of the opinion that values relating to > frequency are a lot more useful than those relating to Watts per square metre. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles [mailto:[hidden email]] > Sent: Monday, 6 September 2004 6:41 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF > > So Lachlan, > > you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment. > Why? > To what purpose? > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lachlan Mudge" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 08:36 > Subject: RE: [eSens] VLF > > > > > > Pete > > > > What you are suggesting is exactly what I am proposing to do eventually, > once I > > can justify purchasing the spectrum analysis equipment. All we need is > for > > someone important with control over some government purse strings to > realise > > they have electrosensitivity and there might be a chance of getting this > to > > happen. Otherwise, it's a bank loan and a big financial risk instead. > > > > Lachlan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: xmanflash2001 [mailto:[hidden email]] > > Sent: Tuesday, 31 August 2004 6:05 PM > > To: [hidden email] > > Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF > > > > Excellent, thanks - I look forward to seeing this produced.. > > > > It would be great to get together and do a collaborative effort to build > > a chart containing all the general frequencies in households, and > > whether they may be harmful or not.. > > > > Maybe even a database of products with a 'Safe Distance' rating for the > > general public.. Kind of like the general 'Efficiency' rating on > > household appliances.. > > > > I am sure this would help those who are not ES to think abit more > > carefully about exposure, especially to children.. > > > > Cheers > > Pete > > > > Charles wrote: > > > > > Hello Pete, > > > > > > this HAARP Detektor will be available shortly by PSE Priggen. > > > www.priggen.de.vu > > > > > > Mine was a prototype, just for testing, but I want to have it for > myself. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Charles Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "xmanflash2001" <[hidden email]> > > > To: <[hidden email]> > > > Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 19:30 > > > Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF > > > > > > > > > > Hi Charles, > > > > > > > > Thats great info.. keep going :-) Where can I get one of those > > > > meters? :-) > > > > > > > > " My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in > the > > > > neighbourhoud of my computer." > > > > > > > > My wife has had the same problem for years now. However, > > > > tonight, she took a few grains of sea salt with a bit of water after > > > > using the computer fro an hour and feeling quite sick, and the > symptoms > > > > went away almost immediately!! > > > > > > > > She was very excited, and came and told me about it.. She usually gets > > > > giddy and sick after 10-20 mins on the computer, even with and LCD > > > > screen. She has Coeliac and Chemical sensitivities as well.. > > > > > > > > We will try it again to see if it was coincidental. My mother cured > her > > > > constant migrains by putting salt on her food after years of not doing > > > that. > > > > > > > > Wonder what the salt connection is .. I know I feel much better after > a > > > > swim in the sea.. > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Charles wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello gang, > > > > > > > > > > I am a little disturbed. > > > > > I am testing a new prototype meter which measures signals from 5 > > > kHz to > > > 30 > > > > > kHz and from 30 kHz to 150 kHz. > > > > > All other signals are filtered out. > > > > > One can even measure the HAARP signals. > > > > > > > > > > So I am playing around a little bit, found a lot of radiation from > my > > > > > television, even when the DC is shut off completely. > > > > > > > > > > My wife complained quite some time that she does not feel when in > the > > > > > neighbourhoud of my computer. > > > > > As you can see (on the pictures on my website), I have taken some > > > > > precautions, and I can sit all day in front of my computer, and > those > > > are > > > > > very long days. > > > > > Even at our table, some 4 meters away she had complaints. > > > > > > > > > > Our phone with cord (and batteries) is placed in the vicinity of > > > > > computer. > > > > > Listening to those signals with this new meter showed something > > > strange. > > > > > After a few seconds the signal changed to another oner, and after > > > another > > > > > few seconds it changed back. > > > > > I don not yet know why this occurs, but I changed this phone for > > > > > another one > > > > > (with a AC/DC adapter) I had laying around. > > > > > The hearing of this one is not as good as the former one, but the > > > signal > > > > > does not come through so sharp. > > > > > > > > > > I placed the sounds on my website > > > > > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html > > > > > > > > > > The strange thing is, that from this moment on, my wife does not > have > > > her > > > > > complaints. > > > > > She can sit on front of my computer, does not have troubles while > > > phoning > > > > > and sitting on our table within 4 meters, shw does not complain > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > In order to detect the signals I had to hold the probe on a certain > > > > > spot on > > > > > the phone. > > > > > > > > > > So, such a weak VLF signal, of around 30 kHz, with about 100 V/m > > > > > strengh may > > > > > give electrosensible persons trouble. > > > > > > > > > > So, I am a little disturbed by those circumstances. > > > > > But I am probing on. > > > > > A few months ago, we did not have this trouble, so somebody must > have > > > > > added > > > > > those signals on our telephone lines. > > > > > I checked with neighbours, but could not find those signals. Just > > > sharp > > > > > blips. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it is some trigger signal for automatic eavesdroppers. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, phones with cord can be dangerous also. > > > > > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > Charles Claessens > > > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Yahoo! Groups Sponsor* > > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > click here > > > > > > > > > > > > > phealth/S=1705062215:HM/EXP=1093882133/A=2319498/R=0/SIG=11thfntfp/*http://w > > > ww.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185352&partid=5285298> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > *Yahoo! 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Hi Charles!
Regarding emissions from your TV: You said it yourself "It is known, that metal surfaces, like a dish, may work like a secondary antenna, but that is mainly on the front of the surface (reflexion), not at the back, as I have had here.". The metal parts inside your TV-set acts as an antenna. To test my theory, keep your "HAARP Detector" close to another metal object of about the same size as the TV or even a short cable (50-100cm). Maybe an unplugged micro or the unplugged satellite dish. It might be important that the metal object is positioned at the same place were the TV was when you got those unusual readings. Greetings Anders Charles wrote: > Hello, > > my television set was completely off any mains electricity. > The cable antenna was NOT connected. > And still a lot of signals were coming out of the set. > More in the 5-30 kHz range, than in the 30-150 kHz range. > I must probe into that deeper. > > > I found another thing. > My wife still had some trouble in one area of our living room. > However I could not measure anything significant. > Outside on our terras, we have a satelllite dish (60 cm). > We have read that around such a dish, a whirling of longitudinal waves may > occur. > I had read in another list, that they had found *some radiation* with a > pendulum. > > Now, after I removed the dish, my wife did not have those complaints > anymore. > > It is known, that metal surfaces, like a dish, may work like a secondary > antenna, but that is mainly on the front of the surface (reflexion), not at > the back, as I have had here. > It is also known, that longitudinal waves may go through a cage of Farady, > and a satellite dish may not be different. > In some strange way, the logitudinal waves are bundeled and pass through the > back of it into our living room. > > > It was also strange, that my wife had complaints within a radius of 4 meters > of our telephone with cord, the Umax. > I found with the HAARP Detektor those strange VLF signals, as placed on my > website, and after I installed another telephone with cord, a Profoon, the > complaints were gone. > > And, Anders and Lachlan, I do not sell or loan my special measuring > instrument, with which I am happily married for over 40 years. > > Greetings, > Charles Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > |
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In reply to this post by Anders Eriksson
Hello Charles and Anders:
There are low frequency spectrum analyzers available (see http://www.lessemf.com/probe.html#466) which can analyzer very low frequency for reasonable cost. The unit referenced above can resolve about .3 Hz on the 0-600 Hz scale. Of course, you must connect an appropriate probe (electric field or magnetic field) to the analyzer. Emil DeToffol Less EMF Inc. At 12:41 PM 9/6/2004, you wrote: >Hi Charles, > >of course I know that you can't get a spectrum from true DC, but perhaps >0.01Hz or so (I will probably cover the region 0.01Hz-250kHz with home >made constructions). > >And to span 0.01Hz-3GHz will take probably 3-4 different instruments. > >Tolerance of +/- 3dB goes for cheap instruments in the range of >2000$-3000$ I guess. > >By the way, isn't HAARP active at about 4MHz, not 30kHz-150kHz? > >Greetings, > >Anders > >---------- > >Charles wrote: > > Hello Anders, > > > > of course spectrum analysis equipment is good equipment, but the costs are > > enormous. > > > > For a private person too high. > > And you must take into account, that those values are not precise. > > Officially, they calculate with a tolerance of + and - 3 dB. > > The meter, the antenna and the cables must be calculated as well, and they > > must be checked and calibrated periodically, which costs also. > > > > There are alternatives, which give about the same information. > > I have found that. > > > > Perhaps after 1 November, another alternative is on the market. > > We will see. > > > > Your dream about DC-3GHz will remain a dream. > > A spectrum analyzer will not measure anything about DC. > > There, one needs other measuring equipment, like a Feldmuehle for > electrical > > DC or a magnetometer or a scintillationscounter for magnetic DC. > > > > For AC, I now have a meter, measuring from 5 kHz to 30 kHz and from 30 kHz > > to 150 kHz. > > Some sounds I have placed on the website under info. > > > > I was astounded how much signals my completely turned-off televisions set > > was still emitting. > > > > Greetings, > > Charles Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Anders Eriksson" <[hidden email]> > > To: <[hidden email]> > > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:56 > > Subject: Re: [eSens] VLF > > > > > > > >>Hi Charles, > >> > >>as I see it, it's the only instrument (spectrum analysis equipment) > >>worth using if you are supposed to do serious measurements. > >>If you use a spectrum analyzer and an antenna of good quality you can > >>tell exactly the amount of energy emanating from each source (cellular > >>phone tower, DECT, FM-radio and so on). > >>My dream is to get hold of professional instrumentation for the entire > >>spectrum from DC to lets say at least 50GHz. I'm sure I will fulfill a > >>part (DC-3GHz) of my dream during 2005! > >> > >>As for florescent light: has anyone on the list information of how much > >>UV-light (and other frequencies related to Hg)that is emitted? > >> > >>Greetings Anders > >> > >>------------ > >> > >>Charles wrote: > >> > >>>So Lachlan, > >>> > >>>you are thinking about buying spectrum analysis equipment. > >>>Why? > >>>To what purpose? > >>> > >>>Greetings, > >>>Charles Claessens > >>>member Verband Baubiologie > >>>www.milieuziektes.nl > >>>www.hetbitje.nl > >>>checked by Norton Antivirus > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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I did a search for the word 'salt' on the site and over 1000 posts popped up. Over the years people here have reported that salt has been beneficial, and making sure that other electrolytes, (including - ions as well as + ions) could be of help too, and are in balance. After all we have an electrical based operating system; the nervous system. In this electrical powered era, we need to make sure our bodies are even more protected from electromagnetic energy, as for millennia all we had in way of electromagnetic interference was the sun and the rocks giving off emf; now we're swamped by it. This reposted old thread was one that caught my eye, and what Xmanflash said about his wife. Its on the second post.
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On July 25, "Salt Water Cure [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I did a search for the word 'salt' on the site and over 1000 posts popped up. > Over the years people here have reported that salt has been beneficial Salt can also be beneficial for people with adrenal weakness, and I think that might be a common problem for people with ES. I've seen on another ES group someone recommending that people AVOID salt, because it would make your more conductive to electricity. So opinions are, as usual, all over the place. :-) Marc |
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good research, SWC! those who live on the ocean are
fortunate, for they can simply soak in the sea or sit in the spray and receive many of the benefits of salt. salt has been known for eons to be an excellent detoxer... foods are cured with salt. and it is an important food. it is only in the past century that "salt" lost its uumph, when it was discovered that NaCl would flow through the tiny holes of a salt shaker, and table salt became the darling of society hostesses. then they also discovered that it was easier and cheaper to "mine" the ocean than the land, so they now separate out all the precious, healing elements and sell them to pharmaceutical companies - to heal diseases that are caused by their own deficiencies due to our ingestion of table salt, rather than the real thing. silly, hmm? many diseases - bodily and mental, are due to the lack of minerals that we would normally eat in our food - if we only used real salt. ah! so much confusion - and greed - and so little health! love, patricia On Jul 25, 2014, at 11:38 AM, Salt Water Cure [via ES] wrote: I did a search for the word 'salt' on the site and over 1000 posts popped up. Over the years people here have reported that salt has been beneficial, and making sure that other electrolytes, (including - ions as well as + ions) could be of help too. After all we have an electrical based operating system; the nervous system. In this electrical powered era, we need to make sure our bodies are even more protected from electromagnetic energy, as for millennia all we had in way of electromagnetic interference was the sun and the rocks giving off emf; now we're swamped by it. This reposted old thread was one that caught my eye. |
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Hi Anders,
I have lots of info on HAARP. Are you just looking for verification that it is being used for weather warfare or manipulation? Could you be more specific? In the meantime, start with this PDF: http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf WEATHER AS A FORCE MULIPLIER: OWNING THE WEATHER IN 2025 Superdrove superdrove@zoho.com Wireless Refugee |
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