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Re: The nature of ES

BiBrun
I'm not really qualified to answer, maybe others have more info.
I've been told there have been suicides attributable to EHS, and I would
think the risk of that could be significant for anyone who is unable to find
relief. Otherwise it is hard to die from EHS per se because either the
autopsy would find nothing (which sometimes happens) or it would be
attributed to something else like heart stoppage or brain tumor).

There are other conditions that may also develop out of EHS, like
Parkinson's, MS, epilepsy, possibly Alzheimer's, but I can't say so with
certainty. I was given advice not to try to "be tough" and ignore it (which
I did do before I realized I had EHS). I think those who do that can end up
with more serious conditions.
One has to keep ones life going, meet responsibilites, maintain
relationships, and plan for the future, and at the same time minimize
exposure, improve nutrition, and not panic. Unfortunately all of these
things are a little harder with EHS.



On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Lauren <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Dear all,
>
> My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation
> will kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would
> research it for him.
>
> Have there been deaths directly related to exposure to wireless devices in
> people suffering from ES? Or is this more of a hypersensitivity to radiation
> that disappears when the source is removed, kind of like an allergy to
> certain animals or foods?
>
> I am not asking about the general dangers of wireless; I have already read
> studies linking brain cancer and other neurological diseases to long-term
> exposure.
>
> Can you please to explain the nature of Electrosensitivity according to
> your own experiences and the research you have done?
>
> Thanks so much!
> Lauren
>
>  
>


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Re: The nature of ES

Marc Martin
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> My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation
> will kill him?

I would say that is certainly possible, if he is weakened enough in the
first place and exposed to too much radiation. We certainly don't hear
much about people "dying from ES", although if someone died on this
group we may never hear about it.

Marc

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Re: The nature of ES

furstc0404-2

A few months ago, I was using my PC.  I had acute angina, sweats, pain, dizziness.  I phoned a doctor who advised me to go to ER.

There were abnormalities on the EKG, but no doctors could tell if I had a heart attack or not.

I heard similar stories from others including one who did have a heart attack.

Based on studies by Prof Carlo, it is possible to have a heart attack caused by RF ...

I very rarely use the PC now, and would not like a repeat of the angina episode!!

If it can cause breakages in DNA strands, damage to the immune system and organs, and tumours/cancers, then, it can also cause dysfunction in electrical cardiac conductivity.  Many report palpitations from exposure.

There is no point in panicking, but exercise avoidance whenever possible.





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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] The nature of ES
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:47 PM







 



 


   
     
     
> My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation

> will kill him?  



I would say that is certainly possible, if he is weakened enough in the

first place and exposed to too much radiation. We certainly don't hear

much about people "dying from ES", although if someone died on this

group we may never hear about it.



Marc



   
     

   
   


 



 






     

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RE: The nature of ES

Ian Kemp
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Lauren, to be honest I would say that for most ES sufferers the big problem
is the long-term severe pain. The pain seems to be more acute and
continuous in ES than in the early stages of life-threatening illnesses like
cancer. Many people seem to suffer major symptoms from ES for many years
although their bodies are otherwise physically healthy. It is often rather
like severe tinnitus (which itself is a common symptom of ES); bringing pain
but not causing direct physical deterioration. However, ES can often be a
side effect of other physically debilitating illnesses - probably not the
direct cause, although when the body is weakened and under stress, the ES
then adds to the "total load".

Ian

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Lauren
Sent: 22 January 2010 22:15
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] The nature of ES




Dear all,

My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation
will kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would
research it for him.

Have there been deaths directly related to exposure to wireless devices in
people suffering from ES? Or is this more of a hypersensitivity to radiation
that disappears when the source is removed, kind of like an allergy to
certain animals or foods?

I am not asking about the general dangers of wireless; I have already read
studies linking brain cancer and other neurological diseases to long-term
exposure.

Can you please to explain the nature of Electrosensitivity according to your
own experiences and the research you have done?

Thanks so much!
Lauren






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RE: The nature of ES

furstc0404-2
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Ian:  its a good point.  Some seem to have triggers such as adverse reaction to some medications, (eg, steroids, quinolones etc) as well as Benzos and other anti depressants.   Recently, I came across some interesting research concerning Benzos, nociceptors, and burning and tinglings sensation, which worsens upon ES/EMF exposure.  From what I read, the mechanism of toxicity caused by adverse reactions to meds, and toxicity from ES/EMF are the same.  This would lead one to conclude that as you mention, if toxicity from meds or taking Anti depressants, this would have tothe toxic load, of a weakened body.

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From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] The nature of ES
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:46 PM







 



 


   
     
     
Lauren, to be honest I would say that for most ES sufferers the big problem

is the long-term severe pain. The pain seems to be more acute and

continuous in ES than in the early stages of life-threatening illnesses like

cancer. Many people seem to suffer major symptoms from ES for many years

although their bodies are otherwise physically healthy. It is often rather

like severe tinnitus (which itself is a common symptom of ES); bringing pain

but not causing direct physical deterioration. However, ES can often be a

side effect of other physically debilitating illnesses - probably not the

direct cause, although when the body is weakened and under stress, the ES

then adds to the "total load".

 

Ian



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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

Lauren

Sent: 22 January 2010 22:15

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Subject: [eSens] The nature of ES



Dear all,



My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation

will kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would

research it for him.



Have there been deaths directly related to exposure to wireless devices in

people suffering from ES? Or is this more of a hypersensitivity to radiation

that disappears when the source is removed, kind of like an allergy to

certain animals or foods?



I am not asking about the general dangers of wireless; I have already read

studies linking brain cancer and other neurological diseases to long-term

exposure.



Can you please to explain the nature of Electrosensitivity according to your

own experiences and the research you have done?



Thanks so much!

Lauren



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RE: The nature of ES

Ian Kemp
I certainly can't claim to have thought of the "total load" concept myself
:-) - it was a term used by a private hospital in the UK which treated my
ES wife Sue with some success. The idea was that chemical sensitivity,
allergies and EMF exposure were all additive in putting a strain on the
body. Minimising all of them gives the body a "breathing space" to help
recovery.
Ian

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Kooky
Sent: 23 January 2010 01:03
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] The nature of ES





Ian: its a good point. Some seem to have triggers such as adverse reaction
to some medications, (eg, steroids, quinolones etc) as well as Benzos and
other anti depressants. Recently, I came across some interesting research
concerning Benzos, nociceptors, and burning and tinglings sensation, which
worsens upon ES/EMF exposure. From what I read, the mechanism of toxicity
caused by adverse reactions to meds, and toxicity from ES/EMF are the same.
This would lead one to conclude that as you mention, if toxicity from meds
or taking Anti depressants, this would have to the toxic load, of a weakened
body.

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<mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> ukgateway.net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>
ukgateway.net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] The nature of ES
To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:46 PM



Lauren, to be honest I would say that for most ES sufferers the big problem

is the long-term severe pain. The pain seems to be more acute and

continuous in ES than in the early stages of life-threatening illnesses like

cancer. Many people seem to suffer major symptoms from ES for many years

although their bodies are otherwise physically healthy. It is often rather

like severe tinnitus (which itself is a common symptom of ES); bringing pain

but not causing direct physical deterioration. However, ES can often be a

side effect of other physically debilitating illnesses - probably not the

direct cause, although when the body is weakened and under stress, the ES

then adds to the "total load".

Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

Lauren

Sent: 22 January 2010 22:15

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Subject: [eSens] The nature of ES

Dear all,

My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation

will kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would

research it for him.

Have there been deaths directly related to exposure to wireless devices in

people suffering from ES? Or is this more of a hypersensitivity to radiation

that disappears when the source is removed, kind of like an allergy to

certain animals or foods?

I am not asking about the general dangers of wireless; I have already read

studies linking brain cancer and other neurological diseases to long-term

exposure.

Can you please to explain the nature of Electrosensitivity according to your

own experiences and the research you have done?

Thanks so much!

Lauren

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PUK
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In a message dated 23/01/2010 01:41:41 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I certainly can't claim to have thought of the "total load" concept myself
:-) - it was a term used by a private hospital in the UK which treated my
ES wife Sue with some success. The idea was that chemical sensitivity,
allergies and EMF exposure were all additive in putting a strain on the
body. Minimising all of them gives the body a "breathing space" to help
recovery.
Ian



Sounds like good advice to me - puk


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PUK
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In a message dated 23/01/2010 01:41:41 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Dear all,

My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation

will kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would

research it for him.



Puk replies - none of us are going to get out of here alive ! How long is
your peice of string ? That said stress reduction techniques should be
employed/mastered by ES persons as this un avoidable by product can quickly
overtake the life degrading core symptoms of ES in sending you that bit
closer to you maker. It is said that what does not kill you makes you strong,
but I suppose it depends on how the killing is employed !


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PUK
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In a message dated 22/01/2010 23:47:52 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I would say that is certainly possible, if he is weakened enough in the
first place and exposed to too much radiation. We certainly don't hear
much about people "dying from ES", although if someone died on this
group we may never hear about it.

Marc



Puk replies - I suupose if someone had a very week heart/heart condition or
evan a pace maker they could reach an anoumolous situation where the
conditions in terms of thier health, EMF exposure both long term and then acute
could lead to haert failure or perhaps some kind of stroke and then
possible death, but thats just it, these artificial directed energies can lead to
acelerated aging of the whole organism, a weakening or explotation of what
is weak in your body and thus contribute to the death of the organism,
death is complicated.


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PUK
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In a message dated 22/01/2010 23:11:34 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
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Parkinson's, MS, epilepsy, possibly Alzheimer's, but I can't say so with
certainty. I was given advice not to try to "be tough" and ignore it
(which
I did do before I realized I had EHS). I think those who do that can end
up
with more serious conditions.
One has to keep ones life going, meet responsibilites, maintain
relationships, and plan for the future, and at the same time minimize
exposure, improve nutrition, and not panic. Unfortunately all of these
things are a little harder with EHS.




puk replies - everything I would have like to have said but didnt, thats
ES, I think the cognitive malfunction especially when at the PC is a problem.


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jaime_schunkewitz
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An ES person can die from the secondary affects
from EMF - not so much the weak EMF itself (although
that can kill you in the long run as well). For
instance, if symptoms include GERD then eventually
the sufferer can eventually die from cancer of
the esophagus.

The constant mental stress can also be a killer.
Recently my symptoms have become so acute (ever
since my neighbor got a new TV), that I have
developed a general anxiety disorder. The ES
symptoms (chest pains) have become so entrained
that I get similar pains when I'm mentally
stressed. So there is a psychosomatic angle
to all of this.

I don't think chronic headache will directly kill
a person, but in the long run who knows?

And what if someone can't escape the EMF exposure?
The cumulative affects can become overwhelming. How
much agony can a person tolerate before going insane?

Eli


--- In [hidden email], "Lauren" <vircocha1@...> wrote:

>
> Dear all,
>
> My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiationwill kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would research it for him.
>
> Have there been deaths directly related to exposure to wireless devices in people suffering from ES? Or is this more of a hypersensitivity to radiation that disappears when the source is removed, kind of like an allergy tocertain animals or foods?  
>
> I am not asking about the general dangers of wireless; I have already read studies linking brain cancer and other neurological diseases to long-termexposure.
>
> Can you please to explain the nature of Electrosensitivity according to your own experiences and the research you have done?
>
> Thanks so much!
> Lauren
>

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Re: The nature of ES

S Andreason
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>> My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation
>> will kill him?
>>
>
> I would say that is certainly possible, if he is weakened enough in the
> first place and exposed to too much radiation. We certainly don't hear
> much about people "dying from ES", although if someone died on this
> group we may never hear about it.
>


But we do hear on the news often about people who go to sleep at the
wheel, often on a cel phone they cross the center line and cause fatal
accidents. Also increasing is people who Lose it and shoot others.
Including road rage.

The pattern should be clear, even though the media only describes it as
Stress, but that is what EMF exposure causes, right?

I have had heart arythmia when driving through town near a cel tower,
double beats and skipped beats.

When I have a passenger, they can see my driving becomes less fluid and
predictive in big cities.
I don't drive much anymore.

Stewart

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Lauren-2
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Thank you all for answering this question. Your insights are greatly appreciated.


--- In [hidden email], "Lauren" <vircocha1@...> wrote:

>
> Dear all,
>
> My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiationwill kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would research it for him.
>
> Have there been deaths directly related to exposure to wireless devices in people suffering from ES? Or is this more of a hypersensitivity to radiation that disappears when the source is removed, kind of like an allergy tocertain animals or foods?  
>
> I am not asking about the general dangers of wireless; I have already read studies linking brain cancer and other neurological diseases to long-termexposure.
>
> Can you please to explain the nature of Electrosensitivity according to your own experiences and the research you have done?
>
> Thanks so much!
> Lauren
>

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Re: The nature of ES

Loni Rosser
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There was a time I considered suicide because there was no where I could goto get relief. I felt like a was drowning in air. It was awful. Happens a lot. It is a very scary injury/illness.
 
Loni

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] The nature of ES
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 4:11 PM


I'm not really qualified to answer, maybe others have more info.
I've been told there have been suicides attributable to EHS, and I would
think the risk of that could be significant for anyone who is unable to find
relief.  Otherwise it is hard to die from EHS per se because either the
autopsy would find nothing (which sometimes happens) or it would be
attributed to something else like heart stoppage or brain tumor).

There are other conditions that may also develop out of EHS, like
Parkinson's, MS, epilepsy, possibly Alzheimer's, but I can't say so with
certainty.  I was given advice not to try to "be tough" and ignore it (which
I did do before I realized I had EHS).  I think those who do that can endup
with more serious conditions.
One has to keep ones life going, meet responsibilites, maintain
relationships, and plan for the future, and at the same time minimize
exposure, improve nutrition, and not panic.  Unfortunately all of these
things are a little harder with EHS.



On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Lauren <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Dear all,
>
> My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation
> will kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would
> research it for him.
>
> Have there been deaths directly related to exposure to wireless devices in
> people suffering from ES? Or is this more of a hypersensitivity to radiation
> that disappears when the source is removed, kind of like an allergy to
> certain animals or foods?
>
> I am not asking about the general dangers of wireless; I have already read
> studies linking brain cancer and other neurological diseases to long-term
> exposure.
>
> Can you please to explain the nature of Electrosensitivity according to
> your own experiences and the research you have done?
>
> Thanks so much!
> Lauren
>

>


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Loni Rosser
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it would never be attributed to over exposure but is happening every day & it is a shame.
 
Loni

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From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] The nature of ES
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 4:47 PM


 



> My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation
> will kill him?

I would say that is certainly possible, if he is weakened enough in the
first place and exposed to too much radiation. We certainly don't hear
much about people "dying from ES", although if someone died on this
group we may never hear about it.

Marc








     

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Loni Rosser
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Hey Ian, Has your wife tried the QLink?  Loni

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] The nature of ES
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:46 PM


 



Lauren, to be honest I would say that for most ES sufferers the big problem
is the long-term severe pain. The pain seems to be more acute and
continuous in ES than in the early stages of life-threatening illnesses like
cancer. Many people seem to suffer major symptoms from ES for many years
although their bodies are otherwise physically healthy. It is often rather
like severe tinnitus (which itself is a common symptom of ES); bringing pain
but not causing direct physical deterioration. However, ES can often be a
side effect of other physically debilitating illnesses - probably not the
direct cause, although when the body is weakened and under stress, the ES
then adds to the "total load".

Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Lauren
Sent: 22 January 2010 22:15
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: [eSens] The nature of ES

Dear all,

My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation
will kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would
research it for him.

Have there been deaths directly related to exposure to wireless devices in
people suffering from ES? Or is this more of a hypersensitivity to radiation
that disappears when the source is removed, kind of like an allergy to
certain animals or foods?

I am not asking about the general dangers of wireless; I have already read
studies linking brain cancer and other neurological diseases to long-term
exposure.

Can you please to explain the nature of Electrosensitivity according to your
own experiences and the research you have done?

Thanks so much!
Lauren

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Christina Steils
Just a helping hand, please find someone good who does Reki, and try some Qi Gong this really helped me calm down and deal with ES in many ways. Giles

--- On Sun, 24/1/10, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Hey Ian, Has your wife tried the QLink?  Loni



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From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net>

Subject: RE: [eSens] The nature of ES

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:46 PM



 



Lauren, to be honest I would say that for most ES sufferers the big problem

is the long-term severe pain. The pain seems to be more acute and

continuous in ES than in the early stages of life-threatening illnesses like

cancer. Many people seem to suffer major symptoms from ES for many years

although their bodies are otherwise physically healthy. It is often rather

like severe tinnitus (which itself is a common symptom of ES); bringing pain

but not causing direct physical deterioration. However, ES can often be a

side effect of other physically debilitating illnesses - probably not the

direct cause, although when the body is weakened and under stress, the ES

then adds to the "total load".



Ian



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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

Lauren

Sent: 22 January 2010 22:15

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Subject: [eSens] The nature of ES



Dear all,



My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation

will kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would

research it for him.



Have there been deaths directly related to exposure to wireless devices in

people suffering from ES? Or is this more of a hypersensitivity to radiation

that disappears when the source is removed, kind of like an allergy to

certain animals or foods?



I am not asking about the general dangers of wireless; I have already read

studies linking brain cancer and other neurological diseases to long-term

exposure.



Can you please to explain the nature of Electrosensitivity according to your

own experiences and the research you have done?



Thanks so much!

Lauren



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angela england
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You touched on the point I was making with my wife, who is es.  I say that being tough and ignoring the symptoms, or retraining your brain as some advocates tout as a cure, is a dangerous course.  The same goes with any drugs that only mask the symptoms.  The symptoms tell the body  fight orflight.  Unfortunately, how can one fight?  The Germans cut down cell towers, but that is not very practical for every instance.  Flight, or avoidance, I say is the answer.  Of course, I advocate nutritional support and clay baths, etc.  I just noticed that this issue has not been discussed that much in that way.  Therefore, I doubt the validity of q gong or reiki therapy, as well as acupuncture.  Just my thoughts. Please respond with any of your thoughts.  Mike in Phoenix.

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From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] The nature of ES
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 4:11 PM


I'm not really qualified to answer, maybe others have more info.
I've been told there have been suicides attributable to EHS, and I would
think the risk of that could be significant for anyone who is unable to find
relief.  Otherwise it is hard to die from EHS per se because either the
autopsy would find nothing (which sometimes happens) or it would be
attributed to something else like heart stoppage or brain tumor).

There are other conditions that may also develop out of EHS, like
Parkinson's, MS, epilepsy, possibly Alzheimer's, but I can't say so with
certainty.  I was given advice not to try to "be tough" and ignore it (which
I did do before I realized I had EHS).  I think those who do that can endup
with more serious conditions.
One has to keep ones life going, meet responsibilites, maintain
relationships, and plan for the future, and at the same time minimize
exposure, improve nutrition, and not panic.  Unfortunately all of these
things are a little harder with EHS.



On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Lauren <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Dear all,
>
> My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation
> will kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would
> research it for him.
>
> Have there been deaths directly related to exposure to wireless devices in
> people suffering from ES? Or is this more of a hypersensitivity to radiation
> that disappears when the source is removed, kind of like an allergy to
> certain animals or foods?
>
> I am not asking about the general dangers of wireless; I have already read
> studies linking brain cancer and other neurological diseases to long-term
> exposure.
>
> Can you please to explain the nature of Electrosensitivity according to
> your own experiences and the research you have done?
>
> Thanks so much!
> Lauren
>

>


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RE: The nature of ES

evie15422
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Hi, Lauren, Kooky, Ian, and All,
 
I am just checking email for a few minutes, (which is all the time I am able to spend online recently due to family issues, not ES), and I have read enough to know Lauren asked whether ES is life threatening.....  Yes, Lauren, it CAN be, but Ian is right, it usually is a long-term pain in the neck (figuratively speaking).  Kooky is also right, heart problems could turn fatal from ES.  Also, I can get life-threatening blood pressure plummeting from ES (an associated autonomic nervous system disorder symptom). 
 
Kooky and Ian also refer to problems with medications, and this is accomplished thru the emfs' ability to affect the blood brain barrier--they can open the tight junctions of the bbb (as well as other organs with tjs, most probably) in people who have the tj permeability gene (about 22 to 25 % of the population).  This causes people with leaky bbbs to be over-dosed with meds, because we require much less of a dose to cross the bbb,whereas normal people have a problem getting drugs across the bbb.  (This bit of info was discoveered by a celiac disease researcher--Alesio Fasano--in 2000.)
 
Also, emfs can cause fatalities thru accidents and suicides.  People with ES lose their orientation and balance easily, run into walls, havecabbage-headedness (a term coined by Steph here  ;)  ) which is also called foggy-headedness.  When a cell tower was added here in a local town several years ago, I noted within one month there were 3 odd occurences--a woman and child were killed when she drove directly into the path of a train, a man stepped out in front of a cement truck and was killed, and another man fell to his death off a trestle (not known if a suicide or accident).  There are also incidents cited by researchers which find more deaths occur in apartment buildings/cities shortly after cell towers are erected.  These are usually caused by normal causes (long standing illness, pneumonia and flu, elderly deaths....).
 
So, yes, while not likely the norm, ES can be life-threatening or fatal,
Hope this doesn't scare your friend unduly.  We just need to use avoidance, when we are aware there is an association which affects us personally.  I am particularly worried about children, tho, in this wii age.  A study was just completed and results stated on national news which said children are using more and more electrical and wireless devices for longer and longer periods.  I think they said an average of 10 hoursa day are spent using such a device, up from 6 hours just a few yearsago and they never mentioned wii games--these were either overlooked or not yet in the homes of the children they included in the study.

My best to All of you,
Diane
--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Kooky <[hidden email]> wrote


From: Kooky <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] The nature of ES
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 8:03 PM


 




Ian:  its a good point.  Some seem to have triggers such as adverse reaction to some medications, (eg, steroids, quinolones etc) as well as Benzos and other anti depressants.   Recently, I came across some interesting research concerning Benzos, nociceptors, and burning and tinglings sensation, which worsens upon ES/EMF exposure.  From what I read, the mechanism of toxicity caused by adverse reactions to meds, and toxicity from ES/EMF are the same.  This would lead one to conclude that as you mention, if toxicity from meds or taking Anti depressants, this would have tothe toxic load, of a weakened body.

--- On Fri, 1/22/10, Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net> wrote:

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ ukgateway. net>
Subject: RE: [eSens] The nature of ES
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:46 PM

 

Lauren, to be honest I would say that for most ES sufferers the big problem

is the long-term severe pain. The pain seems to be more acute and

continuous in ES than in the early stages of life-threatening illnesses like

cancer. Many people seem to suffer major symptoms from ES for many years

although their bodies are otherwise physically healthy. It is often rather

like severe tinnitus (which itself is a common symptom of ES); bringing pain

but not causing direct physical deterioration. However, ES can often be a

side effect of other physically debilitating illnesses - probably not the

direct cause, although when the body is weakened and under stress, the ES

then adds to the "total load".

Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of

Lauren

Sent: 22 January 2010 22:15

To: eSens@yahoogroups. com

Subject: [eSens] The nature of ES

Dear all,

My friend who is suffering with ES asked me if being exposed to radiation

will kill him? He has no access to the internet, so I told him I would

research it for him.

Have there been deaths directly related to exposure to wireless devices in

people suffering from ES? Or is this more of a hypersensitivity to radiation

that disappears when the source is removed, kind of like an allergy to

certain animals or foods?

I am not asking about the general dangers of wireless; I have already read

studies linking brain cancer and other neurological diseases to long-term

exposure.

Can you please to explain the nature of Electrosensitivity according to your

own experiences and the research you have done?

Thanks so much!

Lauren

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