TV's

I don't have meter #'s but we bought an LED tv to see if there is a difference w an LCD.

I don't know about the rest of you, but The LED is worse for me,  felt more burning. .

I feel less w an LCD, after lowering the backlight.

Kathy


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Hi, Cab, Lizzie, Debbie, and All,
 
When I mentioned the evening primrose oil on a recent post
to Marc, it was just something I wrote off the top of my head, due to Marc
writing that he is looking for something for toxins to bind to (and in my experience,
many toxins like particular kinds of fats or fatty acids). 
 
I got huge amounts of mail on evening primrose oil as a
result, both on the forum and privately, both for and against it.  Lol  It
was interesting—this rarely happens that so many people are fired up to write
about a particular therapy.  But the
discourse finally helped me to figure out why I was so stressed when I took
epo!  Thanks so much, All who wrote! 
 
When I wrote that epo was stressing to me, it wasn’t out of
ignorance for it’s efficacy in doing many healthful things in the body.  That was, after all, why I was taking it.  EPO has gotten a lot of good press for a lot
of good things.  I had read in the 90s
that it was helpful in improving CFS, which I then had.  In 1998, I took it for about 6
months, tried different brands, different dosages, etc and found ultimately it made me
worse, so quit taking it.
 
In 2004, I had recovered a bit (was no longer bed-bound and
could do light activity for 3 hours a day), so I decided to try to revisit
epo.  I tried it, this time for 4 months,
trying it in various strengths, different brands, etc.  Again, I got worse instead of better.  *What I did not know then, that I knew later,
was that my remaining “CFS” was actually caused from too low blood pressure.* 
 
One of the private mails sent this site:
 
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/8513/31402/346441.html?d=dmtContent
 
I regard sites which trash nutrients, btw, with a grain of
salt, but I read them and do due diligence later to check what they say elsewhere.  This site mentions that epo is known to
lower the blood pressure.  This is a
wonderful thing to know if one has high blood pressure; however, I tend toward
low bp!  And not only low bp which is
healthy, but so low (low 50s/ low 30s during some emf incidents) that I have
been flat on my back and my body is in great stress trying to raise my bp
enough to just sit up.  So this revelation that epo lowers bp, then,
made complete sense to me!  It explains
the stress I had trying epo and why it made my CFS worse and not better!

 
Btw, I now am free of CFS, since I have learned how to
self-regulate my blood pressure, using supplements.  Those of you who have problems with extreme
fatigue can check your bp often and see for yourselves whether low bp plays a
part in your CFS.  If so, you may be able
to be helped, as well.Those with ES should particularly try to take their bp during emf exposures.  Some might be shocked how high or low the bp goes at those times.

 
Thanks All, for the discussion!  I would likely have not looked into this further and figured this out
without your emails. 
 
Diane


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Wow! Thank you for that, I'm sure it will help many people.
I used to have really blood pressure too.....then I learned that low blood pressure is a classical textbook sign of low adrenals.
I can remember getting dizzy if I stood up too fast. With wireless radiation exposures, my blood sugar levels would often drop.
(Hypoglycemia).
Over the years I have learned to be vigilant with regards to supporting both the thyroid and adrenals; and I find that this along
with vital minerals such as: Iodine, Magnesium, Selenium, Potassium and herbs have helped tremendously. I have also found that
these days I actually do better if I don't eat anything before I run errands. I will drink Baking Soda water and some Peppermint water
.....and on the way home, I may eat a few raw almonds/ raw organic cucumbers...anything alkaline- no fruit.
I think I do better this way because there's nothing in my stomach for the
radiation to multiply into bad stuff.
I have read of many ESsers who get the opposite problem, where their blood pressure spikes high.
I'm thinking low thyroid often causes high blood pressure, while low adrenals commonly cause low blood pressure, so maybe
that's why people can react so differently.
*Anyway, thanks for sharing that info..its sure to clear up alot of confusion on the evening primrose oil.
Lizzie

 



To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 11:13:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] More on Evening Primrose oil


 



Hi, Cab, Lizzie, Debbie, and All,
 
When I mentioned the evening primrose oil on a recent post
to Marc, it was just something I wrote off the top of my head, due to Marc
writing that he is looking for something for toxins to bind to (and in my experience,
many toxins like particular kinds of fats or fatty acids).  
 
I got huge amounts of mail on evening primrose oil as a
result, both on the forum and privately, both for and against it.  Lol  It
was interesting—this rarely happens that so many people are fired up to write
about a particular therapy.  But the
discourse finally helped me to figure out why I was so stressed when I took
epo!  Thanks so much, All who wrote!  
 
When I wrote that epo was stressing to me, it wasn’t out of
ignorance for it’s efficacy in doing many healthful things in the body.  That was, after all, why I was taking it.  EPO has gotten a lot of good press for a lot
of good things.  I had read in the 90s
that it was helpful in improving CFS, which I then had.  In 1998, I took it for about 6
months, tried different brands, different dosages, etc and found ultimately it made me
worse, so quit taking it.
 
In 2004, I had recovered a bit (was no longer bed-bound and
could do light activity for 3 hours a day), so I decided to try to revisit
epo.  I tried it, this time for 4 months,
trying it in various strengths, different brands, etc.  Again, I got worse instead of better.  *What I did not know then, that I knew later,
was that my remaining “CFS” was actually caused from too low blood pressure.*  
 
One of the private mails sent this site:
 
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WSIHW000/8513/31402/346441.html?d=dmtContent
 
I regard sites which trash nutrients, btw, with a grain of
salt, but I read them and do due diligence later to check what they say elsewhere.  This site mentions that epo is known to
lower the blood pressure.  This is a
wonderful thing to know if one has high blood pressure; however, I tend toward
low bp!  And not only low bp which is
healthy, but so low (low 50s/ low 30s during some emf incidents) that I have
been flat on my back and my body is in great stress trying to raise my bp
enough to just sit up.  So this revelation that epo lowers bp, then,
made complete sense to me!  It explains
the stress I had trying epo and why it made my CFS worse and not better!

 
Btw, I now am free of CFS, since I have learned how to
self-regulate my blood pressure, using supplements.  Those of you who have problems with extreme
fatigue can check your bp often and see for yourselves whether low bp plays a
part in your CFS.  If so, you may be able
to be helped, as well.Those with ES should particularly try to take their bp during emf exposures.  Some might be shocked how high or low the bp goes at those times.

 
Thanks All, for the discussion!  I would likely have not looked into this further and figured this out
without your emails.  
 
Diane

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Do you have one of those wifi ready TVs?  The sound of it really scares me-- the wifi refrigerators are pretty dreadful sounding as well.
 
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I don't have meter #'s but we bought an LED tv to see if there is a difference w an LCD.

I don't know about the rest of you, but The LED is worse for me,  felt more burning. .

I feel less w an LCD, after lowering the backlight.

Kathy

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Pam,

No we  sure don't. I look for the wi-fi connectivity & avoid those.
Yes all the wi-fi ready things scare me. They came out w wif-i camera's now.

Kathy

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Pam






 










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Hi All,

I have wanted to ask some questions here for a while..... 


A friend and I have been discussing kidney disease, mast cell disease, and ES.  She found research that suggests mast cell proliferation is found in the kidneys of people with kidney disease.  She and I both have stage 2 kidney disease and cutaneous mast cell proliferation.  We were wondering whether kidney disease is common among ESsers here at the forum???  Anybody care to comment?  We both relate increased kidney symptoms to bad emf incidents.  And we could think of at least 3 ways by which emfs could cause kidney symptoms.  But, save for one other person, I don't remember others here mentioning having kidney disease.

Another thing I have wondered is whether others here have ever had electromyography (EMG) testing?  I have mentioned this here a couple of times, but nobody ever commented.  I have had repeated EMG testing.  Each time, the doctor says the test comes out wrong, but not in a way he can diagnose disease.  He says my test readings are clearly wrong, but they do not fit the parameters for any diseases that docs yet recognize.  I was wondering if any doctors or researcher have thought to do EMGs on their ES patients?  Maybe we have our own "parameters" according to EMG tests!?  Just curious, but if a researcher were able to test this on a number of ES people, and find they responded similarly, this could be a diagnostic tool and proof of ES.  EMGs determine the electrical response of the muscles to nerve stimulation.  So, have any others here had EMGs since becoming ES, and if so, are they normal or abnormal???  

Thanks so much,
Diane



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Somehow, sticking a needle into a muscle and giving the muscle an electric shock doesn't sound very appealing.
I'm curious, how do you feel during this? And how do you feel afterwards?
Did you know that every time the body gets punctured by needles..it blocks electrical meridians in the body?
I'm also curious as to whether this procedure is covered by insurance.
Lizzie
 



To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:48:58 -0700
Subject: Re: [esens] questions about kidney disease and EMG testing


 



Hi All,

I have wanted to ask some questions here for a while.....  

A friend and I have been discussing kidney disease, mast cell disease, and ES.  She found research that suggests mast cell proliferation is found in the kidneys of people with kidney disease.  She and I both have stage 2 kidney disease and cutaneous mast cell proliferation.  We were wondering whether kidney disease is common among ESsers here at the forum???  Anybody care to comment?  We both relate increased kidney symptoms to bad emf incidents.  And we could think of at least 3 ways by which emfs could cause kidney symptoms.  But, save for one other person, I don't remember others here mentioning having kidney disease.

Another thing I have wondered is whether others here have ever had electromyography (EMG) testing?  I have mentioned this here a couple of times, but nobody ever commented.  I have had repeated EMG testing.  Each time, the doctor says the test comes out wrong, but not in a way he can diagnose disease.  He says my test readings are clearly wrong, but they do not fit the parameters for any diseases that docs yet recognize.  I was wondering if any doctors or researcher have thought to do EMGs on their ES patients?  Maybe we have our own "parameters" according to EMG tests!?  Just curious, but if a researcher were able to test this on a number of ES people, and find they responded similarly, this could be a diagnostic tool and proof of ES.  EMGs determine the electrical response of the muscles to nerve stimulation.  So, have any others here had EMGs since becoming ES, and if so, are they normal or abnormal???  

Thanks so much,
Diane

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Hi Lizzie,


I personally did not react badly to the EMGs after about two weeks--I was more exhausted for two weeks

(but I was also nearly completely bed-bound prior to the testing). 


While the testwas being done, I was not, generally speaking, uncomfortable.  There were a couple times I felt

like I was beinglightly shocked.  The testing took about 45 mins, if memory serves.  My mother, however,

reacted badly to the testing and said she was in a lot of pain.  We both had

to have the test for suspected myasthenia gravis, which runs in her family (my mom has it; I don't).  I suspect,

depending on what is actually wrong with you, EMG could be potentially quite painful.  My mother, however,
couldhave died if she were not dxed properly.  Since I showed similar symptoms, doctors correctly thought I
should also have the testing.  I had it repeatedly because of the unusual results of my tests.  I am still supposed
to have an EMG every 5 years, but I have not gone back since 1995 (I have been improving since 2000, so I

felt itunnecessary).


My tests were covered by insurance, yes.  I am not suggesting people run out and get this test done.  I am

asking ifanyone has already had it.  If others respond oddly to the test, it would suggest perhaps there are ways

(perhaps lessinvasive ways) to test and prove the existence of ES.  Once there is a test for ES, we will find

legitimacy likethosewho had MS did when MRIs were invented.  Once legitimacy is established, we will get

funding for medical research and, possibly, be able to reform the way wireless communication and technology is
now thrust upon us.


No, I was not aware there were any problems with needles and the meridians.  Acupuncture uses needles to
clear meridians, doesn't it?.

Hope this answers your questions,
Diane


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Diane,

They test for this w EMG? A neruo wanted me to get one.

I don't know about everyone, but I have many of these symptoms.

I have to go frequently in high emf's. Once while out my  urine was foamy.
Our daughter  has many of these. too.

http://www.lifeoptions.org/kidneyinfo/ckdinfo.php?page=4




Kathy

To: [hidden email]

From: [hidden email]

Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:48:58 -0700

Subject: Re: [esens] questions about kidney disease and EMG testing



Hi All,



I have wanted to ask some questions here for a while.....  



A friend and I have been discussing kidney disease, mast cell disease, and ES.  She found research that suggests mast cell proliferation is found in the kidneys of people with kidney disease.  She and I both have stage 2 kidney disease and cutaneous mast cell proliferation.  We were wondering whether kidney disease is common among ESsers here at the forum???  Anybody care to comment?  We both relate increased kidney symptoms to bad emf incidents.  And we could think of at least 3 ways by which emfs could cause kidney symptoms.  But, save for one other person, I don't remember others here mentioning having kidney disease.



Another thing I have wondered is whether others here have ever had electromyography (EMG) testing?  I have mentioned this here a couple of times, but nobody ever commented.  I have had repeated EMG testing.  Each time, the doctor says the test comes out wrong, but not in a way he can diagnose disease.  He says my test readings are clearly wrong, but they do not fit the parameters for any diseases that docs yet recognize.  I was wondering if any doctors or researcher have thought to do EMGs on their ES patients?  Maybe we have our own "parameters" according to EMG tests!?  Just curious, but if a researcher were able to test this on a number of ES people, and find they responded similarly, this could be a diagnostic tool and proof of ES.  EMGs determine the electrical response of the muscles to nerve stimulation.  So, have any others here had EMGs since becoming ES, and if so, are they normal or abnormal???  



Thanks so much,

Diane



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This lists blood work to test kidneys. Are they using an EMF to

see if you have kidney symptoms?

http://www.lifeoptions.org/kidneyinfo/labvalues.php

I don't know if I can handle getting an MRI.  II would get an ultrasound, but don't know how that would help for possible MS, etc.

Kathy



To: [hidden email]

From: [hidden email]

Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:48:58 -0700

Subject: Re: [esens] questions about kidney disease and EMG testing



Hi All,



I have wanted to ask some questions here for a while.....  


 
We were
wondering whether kidney disease is common among ESsers here at the
forum???  Anybodycare to comment?  increased kidney symptoms to bad emf incidents.  And we could think of at least 3 ways by which emfs could cause kidney symptoms.



Another thing I have wondered is whether others here have ever had electromyography (EMG) testing?  I have mentioned this here a couple of times, but nobody ever commented.  I have had repeated EMG testing.  Each time, the doctor says the test comes out wrong, but not in a way he can diagnose disease.  He says my test readings are clearly wrong, but they do not fit the parameters for any diseases that docs yet recognize.  I was wondering if any doctors or researcher have thought to do EMGs on their ES patients?  Maybe we have our own "parameters" according to EMG tests!?  Just curious, but if a researcher were able to test this on a number of ES people, and find they responded similarly, this could be a diagnostic tool and proof of ES.  EMGs determine the electrical response of the muscles to nerve stimulation.  So, have any others here had EMGs since becoming ES, and if so, are they normal or abnormal???  



Thanks so much,

Diane



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Diane,

Have you gotten any of Dr. Shoemaker's recommended labs? I know you didn't have the typical mold exposure.

My doc's keep putting me off for those, saying they don't know much  about them. 
My doc did give a trial of CSM. Was too rough on my stomach.
 Cleared my head in mins. though. 

http://www.survivingmold.com/diagnosis/lab-tests

Kathy




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Accupuncture needles don't go to the muscles though.
Even with that, I wouldn't go with accupunture...especially as accupressure point therapy/reflexology
can be used successfully and is totally non-invasive as well.
Upon reading about
this "myasthenia gravis"... I couldn't help but to notice the similarities between
this set of symptoms and low adrenals. Low adrenals also effect muscle strenghth,
and it is quite common that exercise makes it worse among those with low adrenals.
Even more interesting is the eye muscles, I call it the "low adrenal eye twitch".
As for "higher antibodies" ...not really a telling sign, as any time the body's immune
system is under attack, the antibody numbers will rise.
As for global recognition of ES? What needs to happen (in my opinion) is a complete
paradigm change. To expect those who caused the problem,  are part of the problem, accessories to the problem
to FIX the problem is like asking the gov't to give the banks a bail-out, for the problems
they as an institition caused. We see how "well" that worked. I'm going to rant now.
How many billions of dollars have been given to the american cancer society? How many walk for the cures
have their been? And still, the american cancer society and all its parasitic counterparts continue to shut
down, and legally terrorize doctors who actually know how to cure cancer/ have cured cancer/ and have a much
higher success rate NOT using chemo or radiation or slash and burn; but instead using natural means.  Google the movie: "Cancer Is
Curable Now". Exhibit number one. The industrial MEDICAL complex is broken by design! It is NOT about curing. It is about
money. It is about profit. The telecommunications industry is but a brother of the american medical complex. SAme as the
pharmacuetical companies peddling drugs. Other members of this same family? The monsanto frankenfood corp, the epa with
its "lets allow a huge amt of contaminants in the water supplies". And the list goes on and on and on.
all part of the problem. Its like asking a known liar to give you the truth!
We don't need to prove that ES exist! We know it does! We need to get the corruption that has grown into a huge monster
OUT of our gov't. And that includes the halls of mainstream medicine. The pharmacueticals fund the medical schools. Did you
know that? All they need to do to stop the electro killing energies on the wireless beasts IS TO TURN THE KNOB down to
another frequency that isn't USED by the body! While that won't undo the damage that has been done, on a global basis,
what needs to happen next is for the lawsuits on cell phone damages and brain tumors to be allowed thru the court systems!
(instead of being blocked).
I'm done. Thank you for listening.
 
Lizzie
 
 

 




To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 11:53:33 -0700
Subject: Re: [esens] questions about kidney disease and EMG testing


 


Hi Lizzie,

I personally did not react badly to the EMGs after about two weeks--I was more exhausted for two weeks

(but I was also nearly completely bed-bound prior to the testing).  

While the testwas being done, I was not, generally speaking, uncomfortable.  There were a couple times I felt

like I was beinglightly shocked.  The testing took about 45 mins, if memory serves.  My mother, however,

reacted badly to the testing and said she was in a lot of pain.  We both had

to have the test for suspected myasthenia gravis, which runs in her family (my mom has it; I don't).  I suspect,

depending on what is actually wrong with you, EMG could be potentially quite painful.  My mother, however,
couldhave died if she were not dxed properly.  Since I showed similar symptoms, doctors correctly thought I
should also have the testing.  I had it repeatedly because of the unusual results of my tests.  I am still supposed
to have an EMG every 5 years, but I have not gone back since 1995 (I have been improving since 2000, so I

felt itunnecessary).

My tests were covered by insurance, yes.  I am not suggesting people run out and get this test done.  I am

asking ifanyone has already had it.  If others respond oddly to the test, it would suggest perhaps there are ways

(perhaps lessinvasive ways) to test and prove the existence of ES.  Once there is a test for ES, we will find

legitimacy likethosewho had MS did when MRIs were invented.  Once legitimacy is established, we will get

funding for medical research and, possibly, be able to reform the way wireless communication and technology is
now thrust upon us.

No, I was not aware there were any problems with needles and the meridians.  Acupuncture uses needles to
clear meridians, doesn't it?.

Hope this answers your questions,
Diane

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Hi Diane,
I have been suffering from repeated kidney stones for the past several years and it seems to have gotten progressively worse with the proliferation of wireless all around me.  I have wondered whether this has anything to do with the calcium ion issue.  I have noticed an increase in kidney stones after bad exposures.  Anyone else experiencing this??
Mary

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> I have been suffering from repeated kidney stones for the past several
> years and it seems to have gotten progressively worse with the proliferation
> of wireless all around me.  I have wondered whether this has anything to do
> with the calcium ion issue.

It could... some people have supplemented with phosphorous to dissolve calcium buildups (stones, etc.)

Marc

Hi,
Two points here I'd like to make. First, here is a recipe for Liver/Kidney cleansing soup that is safe, easy to make,
and will help cleanse both the kidneys and liver. Take equal parts of organic celery, green beans (they can be
of the frozen kind) and zuccini. Wash, cut up and put them in a pan with just enough water to cover the veggies.
Cook until soft, then let cool. Add veggies including the WATER to a blender and puree. Then transfer to a bowl
and heat up what you want to drink. If this mixture is too thick, add more water so that it is not sludge. Do not
add any flavorings, or spices. For optimal benefit, it is best to make a large batch of this and drink 4-5 cups a day
for a few days.
Although it is not the tastiest soup I've ever had, it does help clean the kidneys/liver. Just as we clean our teeth, wash
our floors, etc, these organs do occasionally need to be cleaned/flushed. As the liver has to digest ALL solid foods,
setting aside a few days and just drinking this soup, which is thick enough to fill your belly, but thin enough to give
the liver a rest, and it helps to clean out both organs. These veggies are also alkaline which also helps.
Second point is: I'd rethink taking any phosphorus supplements, as some kidney stones are caused by too
much phosphorus in the diet.
Lizzie
 



To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:56:10 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: questions about kidney disease and EMG testing


 



> I have been suffering from repeated kidney stones for the past several
> years and it seems to have gotten progressively worse with the proliferation
> of wireless all around me. I have wondered whether this has anything to do
> with the calcium ion issue.

It could... some people have supplemented with phosphorous to dissolve calcium buildups (stones, etc.)

Marc



     

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Hi Kathy,

They test for Myasthenia Gravis in various ways, but the acetylcholine-receptor blood test is less than 80% accurate.  There is also a "Tensilon" test (I think I spelled that correctly.  ;p  )  But it is used as a last resort--I think it is very painful.  EMGs are used because they can accurately dx MG but also a number of other diseases at the same time. 


When you say you have "many of those, too", I assume you mean symptoms of myasthenia gravis and not EMG tests?  lol  And the same with your daughter?  Or are you saying you have a lot of symptoms of kidney disease and mast cell disease?  I think many of us here likely have symptoms of all 3 of these. 


I get a standard blood test for the kidney disease.  It is called a "multi-phasic blood panel" which can measure many things at once.  The test tests for high liver enzymes, too.  It is a great blood test to get for those with small wallets.  ;)  I can get diabetic testing, iron ferritin testing, cholesterol, fats, thyroid, on and on for $150.  That sounds like a lot, but I have no doctor visit to pay for, etc.  I pay the whole amount, and I treat the diseases accordingly.  But that is because I have had these problems for many years and started off with docs treating them.  After so long, you just realized how to manage them on your own.  I now use the blood panel to make sure my liver and kidney disease, diabetes, etc, are stable.  But people could also use this test as a way to see if they need medical intervention in the first place.  I do not know whether you can get this blood panel everywhere--here, the local hospital comes around to
 churches and civic groups in the area and offers these tests.  I try to have the test done once or twice a year.  But this is my total medical cost ($150 to $300)/ year for the past 7 years, except for nutritional supplements and the homeopathy treatment I had 2 years ago.  [The homeopathy was also just a one-time cost.]  After decades of doctor hopping, and paying thru the nose for medical test after medical test, this feels like a really sweet deal.  ;-D  ) 

They say after you have kidney disease, there is no going back; so it is good to know whether you have it or not.  You can't cure it; you can only keep it from getting worse.  Mine is just stage 2--I try to keep it that way. 

Diane


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From: KathyB <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: [esens] questions about kidney disease and EMG testing

Diane,

They test for this w EMG? A neruo wanted me to get one.

I don't know about everyone, but I have many of these symptoms.

I have to go frequently in high emf's. Once while out my  urine was foamy.
Our daughter  has many of these. too.

http://www.lifeoptions.org/kidneyinfo/ckdinfo.php?page=4




Kathy

To: [hidden email]

From: [hidden email]

Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:48:58 -0700

Subject: Re: [esens] questions about kidney disease and EMG testing



Hi All,



I have wanted to ask some questions here for a while..... 



A friend and I have been discussing kidney disease, mast cell disease, and ES.  She found research that suggests mast cell proliferation is found in the kidneys of people with kidney disease.  She and I both have stage 2 kidney disease and cutaneous mast cell proliferation.  We were wondering whether kidney disease is common among ESsers here at the forum???  Anybody care to comment?  We both relate increased kidney symptoms to bad emf incidents.  And we could think of at least 3 ways by which emfs could cause kidney symptoms.  But, save for one other person, I don't remember others here mentioning having kidney disease.



Another thing I have wondered is whether others here have ever had electromyography (EMG) testing?  I have mentioned this here a couple of times, but nobody ever commented.  I have had repeated EMG testing.  Each time, the doctor says the test comes out wrong, but not in a way he can diagnose disease.  He says my test readings are clearly wrong, but they do not fit the parameters for any diseases that docs yet recognize.  I was wondering if any doctors or researcher have thought to do EMGs on their ES patients?  Maybe we have our own "parameters" according to EMG tests!?  Just curious, but if a researcher were able to test this on a number of ES people, and find they responded similarly, this could be a diagnostic tool and proof of ES.  EMGs determine the electrical response of the muscles to nerve stimulation.  So, have any others here had EMGs since becoming ES, and if so, are they normal or abnormal??? 



Thanks so much,

Diane



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No Kathy,

No emfs are involved.  These are all blood tests--they are all part of the "multiphasic blood panel" I mentioned I get.

Diane 



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This lists blood work to test kidneys. Are they using an EMF to

see if you have kidney symptoms?

http://www.lifeoptions.org/kidneyinfo/labvalues.php

I don't know if I can handle getting an MRI.  II would get an ultrasound, but don't know how that would help for possible MS, etc.

Kathy



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Hi All,



I have wanted to ask some questions here for a while..... 


 
We were
wondering whether kidney disease is common among ESsers here at the
forum???  Anybodycare to comment?  increased kidney symptoms to bad emf incidents.  And we could think of at least 3 ways by which emfs could cause kidney symptoms.



Another thing I have wondered is whether others here have ever had electromyography (EMG) testing?  I have mentioned this here a couple of times, but nobody ever commented.  I have had repeated EMG testing.  Each time, the doctor says the test comes out wrong, but not in a way he can diagnose disease.  He says my test readings are clearly wrong, but they do not fit the parameters for any diseases that docs yet recognize.  I was wondering if any doctors or researcher have thought to do EMGs on their ES patients?  Maybe we have our own "parameters" according to EMG tests!?  Just curious, but if a researcher were able to test this on a number of ES people, and find they responded similarly, this could be a diagnostic tool and proof of ES.  EMGs determine the electrical response of the muscles to nerve stimulation.  So, have any others here had EMGs since becoming ES, and if so, are they normal or abnormal??? 



Thanks so much,

Diane



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Kathy,

I have not had any genetic testing.  All my testing, save for the blood test panel I just mentioned had been done prior to 2003.  Prior to 2000, there were few genetic tests available.  I just have not bothered going there.  I have improved and as long as I am improving I don't care what they call what I have.  ;)

Diane



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Diane,

Have you gotten any of Dr. Shoemaker's recommended labs? I know you didn't have the typical mold exposure.

My doc's keep putting me off for those, saying they don't know much  about them. 
My doc did give a trial of CSM. Was too rough on my stomach.
 Cleared my head in mins. though. 

http://www.survivingmold.com/diagnosis/lab-tests

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Hi Lizzie,

MG is a lot like adrenal dysfunction/ deficiency.  (I did also have that.)  Except it is much worse.  You talk about eye twitching, but my mother could not keep her eyelids open.  She could also not breathe.  The muscles which allow for breath did not function.  I am not saying that there could not be natural cures for it, but it is a bigger deal than having adrenal insufficiency. 


Yes, I do know of big pharma's involvement in medical schools.  And I do also know of the cancer scams.  People with MS were treated as we are now treated, in the mid 90s.  The disease lacked legitimacy.  Yes, people with MS knew it was real, but it took everybody knowing it was real before society would make changes that allowed them to take part in civilization (like ramps for wheelchairs, special considerations in schools, jobs at home.....)  Today people with MS have a life.  I am better ES-wise, but even I can see the writing on the wall if we cannot get others to recognize the emf problems that now exist and which gets bigger every year.  

My 2 cents;  ps I enjoyed your rant  ;)

Diane



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Accupuncture needles don't go to the muscles though.
Even with that, I wouldn't go with accupunture...especially as accupressure point therapy/reflexology
can be used successfully and is totally non-invasive as well.
Upon reading about
this "myasthenia gravis"... I couldn't help but to notice the similarities between
this set of symptoms and low adrenals. Low adrenals also effect muscle strenghth,
and it is quite common that exercise makes it worse among those with low adrenals.
Even more interesting is the eye muscles, I call it the "low adrenal eye twitch".
As for "higher antibodies" ...not really a telling sign, as any time the body's immune
system is under attack, the antibody numbers will rise.
As for global recognition of ES? What needs to happen (in my opinion) is a complete
paradigm change. To expect those who caused the problem,  are part of the problem, accessories to the problem
to FIX the problem is like asking the gov't to give the banks a bail-out, for the problems
they as an institition caused. We see how "well" that worked. I'm going to rant now.
How many billions of dollars have been given to the american cancer society? How many walk for the cures
have their been? And still, the american cancer society and all its parasitic counterparts continue to shut
down, and legally terrorize doctors who actually know how to cure cancer/ have cured cancer/ and have a much
higher success rate NOT using chemo or radiation or slash and burn; but instead using natural means.  Google the movie: "Cancer Is
Curable Now". Exhibit number one. The industrial MEDICAL complex is broken by design! It is NOT about curing. It is about
money. It is about profit. The telecommunications industry is but a brother of the american medical complex. SAme as the
pharmacuetical companies peddling drugs. Other members of this same family? The monsanto frankenfood corp, the epa with
its "lets allow a huge amt of contaminants in the water supplies". And the list goes on and on and on.
all part of the problem. Its like asking a known liar to give you the truth!
We don't need to prove that ES exist! We know it does! We need to get the corruption that has grown into a huge monster
OUT of our gov't. And that includes the halls of mainstream medicine. The pharmacueticals fund the medical schools. Did you
know that? All they need to do to stop the electro killing energies on the wireless beasts IS TO TURN THE KNOB down to
another frequency that isn't USED by the body! While that won't undo the damage that has been done, on a global basis,
what needs to happen next is for the lawsuits on cell phone damages and brain tumors to be allowed thru the court systems!
(instead of being blocked).
I'm done. Thank you for listening.

Lizzie








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Hi Lizzie,

I personally did not react badly to the EMGs after about two weeks--I was more exhausted for two weeks

(but I was also nearly completely bed-bound prior to the testing). 

While the testwas being done, I was not, generally speaking, uncomfortable.  There were a couple times I felt

like I was beinglightly shocked.  The testing took about 45 mins, if memory serves.  My mother, however,

reacted badly to the testing and said she was in a lot of pain.  We both had

to have the test for suspected myasthenia gravis, which runs in her family (my mom has it; I don't).  I suspect,

depending on what is actually wrong with you, EMG could be potentially quite painful.  My mother, however,
couldhave died if she were not dxed properly.  Since I showed similar symptoms, doctors correctly thought I
should also have the testing.  I had it repeatedly because of the unusual results of my tests.  I am still supposed
to have an EMG every 5 years, but I have not gone back since 1995 (I have been improving since 2000, so I

felt itunnecessary).

My tests were covered by insurance, yes.  I am not suggesting people run out and get this test done.  I am

asking ifanyone has already had it.  If others respond oddly to the test, it would suggest perhaps there are ways

(perhaps lessinvasive ways) to test and prove the existence of ES.  Once there is a test for ES, we will find

legitimacy likethosewho had MS did when MRIs were invented.  Once legitimacy is established, we will get

funding for medical research and, possibly, be able to reform the way wireless communication and technology is
now thrust upon us.

No, I was not aware there were any problems with needles and the meridians.  Acupuncture uses needles to
clear meridians, doesn't it?.

Hope this answers your questions,
Diane

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Hi, Mary,

I don't seem to have kidney stone issues, but I would think the calcium ion issue could lead to them, yes.  It is interesting that you see increased kidney stones after bad exposures.  Have you thought of asking your doctor whether calcium channel blockers are appropriate for you?  I take supplements that act as calcium (ion) channel blockers, but I am hesitant to recommend them to others.  You really need to know exactly what is going on first.  Have you searched the curezone and natural remedy sites to see what others are recommending to do to treat/ avoid the stones? 


Good luck, I hope you find something helpful,
Diane



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Hi Diane,
I have been suffering from repeated kidney stones for the past several years and it seems to have gotten progressively worse with the proliferation of wireless all around me.  I have wondered whether this has anything to do with the calcium ion issue.  I have noticed an increase in kidney stones after bad exposures.  Anyone else experiencing this??
Mary

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